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Well , thanks for thanks for coming . I ,

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I think this would be a great panel .

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We've got , we got a breath and depth

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of knowledge here that what we're going

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to do is they're going to introduce

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themselves and talk for about 5 minutes

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about what's going on and acquisition ,

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and from that after we go through . Of

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the panel , we have a couple of

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industry experts as well with us , as

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well as the government experts , and

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then we'll go into some questions and

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answers . I challenge you to challenge

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this panel , especially since I don't

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have to answer it . Thank you . I

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challenge the panel with some very

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in-depth questions because these are

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the right people to answer those for

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you . So at this time we're going to

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start with Dan . Dan . Good afternoon .

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Uh , thank you for the opportunity .

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Moderating the event here . So , I am

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Dan Pasky , um , I'm currently the

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acting program director for Space

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capabilities with the Missile Defense

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Agency out in Colorado Springs , uh ,

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also , uh , I'm the director of program

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management and integration . So , uh ,

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I guess everybody stuck around for

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their favorite subject acquisition . So

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I think one of the biggest drivers that

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we've seen , at least this calendar

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year , that's going to impact the next

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generation missile defense and the

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acquisition activities associated with

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that was the executive order that came

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out on 27th of January in regards to

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the next generation missile defense .

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So , you know , one of the things that

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really drives the change for With

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acquisition Is the policy piece that

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kind of came along with that and that

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was the change from a focus on uh

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rogue states such as Iran and North

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Korea and focus on your and your peers .

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So now we're you know looking at threat

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that's associated with China and Russia ,

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and it really changes the paradigm on

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what we're going to be looking for as

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far as . Concerned So , uh , as far as

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MBA , we've been really busy . Uh , you

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know , taking on those challenges ,

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couple of things that's happened within

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the agency this , this year are two new

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acquisition , uh , vehicles or contract

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vehicles that are either in the works

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or coming real soon . So to , uh , sort

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of , uh , go along with our director ,

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Colonel , or excuse me , General

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Collins' mantra of , um , go fast ,

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think big , really in order to get

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after those challenges of next

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generation missile defense , we had to

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look at , uh , not only our processes .

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But the vehicles that we use . So

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there's As I mentioned , two vehicles ,

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um , the MAA or the multiple Authority

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announcement , um , that was released

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back in March . Really excited about

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that one because it really focuses on

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non-traditional acquisition . Processes .

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So , um , this is a very , uh , BAA

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broad agency announcement like vehicle ,

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but it's really patterned after a

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commercial . and the pattern

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or the model that defense innovation .

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Uh , created back in the 2016 , 2017

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time frame . Um , with that , uh , as

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the name implies , we can issue awards ,

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um , against various other transaction

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type vehicles , both research and

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prototype OTs , also procurement for

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experimental purposes . Uh , within

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there also the capability to do grants ,

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cooperative agreements and eventually

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do creative . So I just learned

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yesterday that the MDA um recently

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became designated as a federal lab . So

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that will also . Um , transfer

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technology through the use of the ratus .

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Um , that is a , uh , 5-year open

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announcement vehicle . It's got

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multiple . Um , areas of interest and

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can do kinetic and hypersonic defense ,

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uh , C2 . Uh , disruptive technologies

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and my favorite space-based . factors

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Uh , the other one , is . It's called

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Shield , so the scalable Homeland

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Innovative Enterprise Layer Defense .

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Um , this is gonna be a very large , um ,

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IDIQ for our base contracts so

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Uh , focus more on the traditional

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approach and probably some of the

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traditional primes . Uh , that

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vehicle's got a $451 billion ceiling .

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It's gonna be active for , for 10 years .

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Both of these vehicles are available

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for NDA use and other DOD organizations

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as well . Uh , the pre-solicitation for

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that came out on , on May 22nd . And

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it's focused on delivering an advance

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of the main defense system for next

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generation . So some of the work areas

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Uh , there are quite a few , but

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several of them include integration and

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assembly , production and building ,

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test and evaluation , operation

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sustainment , modeling , systems

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engineering , weapons design and , and

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development . They want to point out

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that this vehicle excludes any ANAS or

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CETA in common IT type .

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Activities , uh , for the small

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businesses that may be interested in

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this effort , um . Security

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clearances will be required , but one

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of the things that we wanted to pass on

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is if , if an entity doesn't currently

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have a security clearance , the bar for

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entry here is is very low . Most if

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they meet the qualifications of the

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solicitation , they'll be provided an

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IDIQ award in our office of small

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business will be glad to help .

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So I think that probably it's my .

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Thank you very much . Good afternoon .

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Great to be in the Rocket City once

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again . I'm on this panel with several

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key partners . Dan and I work in many

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efforts to deliver a missile or missile

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defense capability , and I'm always

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proud to say I was alone from of SMDC .

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So great to be here . Uh , Alexander

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Rasmussen , most people know me as RAS ,

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SDA was created alongside the Space

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Force and Spacecom to be a constructive

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disrupter . Uh , to bring audacity and

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decisiveness to acquisitions and

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specifically deliver a global kill web

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via the proliferated warfighter Space

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architecture , a kill web that enables

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offensive and defensive operations . We

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use several tools , every tool we can

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for this , the MTAs or other

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transaction authorities you're aware of ,

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uh , in order to provide a constant and

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predictable , competition for industry

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to see , hey , we're going to be able

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to keep those supply chains warm .

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We're going to say , hey , you're going

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to have an opportunity to get in and

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get this new capability and get that at

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least demonstrated , and if it's not ,

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uh , proliferate into that architecture .

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Uh , there were several things on the

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panels that , uh , we talked about

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today . They're very important to me in

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SDA . Uh , we can't say it enough .

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There's integration , uh , integration

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is not just plug it in . Uh , we need

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to do very deep integration all the way

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from that that photon hitting a sensor

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through the networks and into that

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other , that other system can read that

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message . Just to have the right

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software we're gonna take advantage of

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it . So we're very focused on the

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integration . Uh , an example of that

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is how can we take that space-based

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ability , uh , space-based sensor and

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get that all the way down to a TA or

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get it to IPCS to an ADA , uh , uh ,

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unit . Um , a lot of it was talked

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about enabling access to space . That

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was a lot about what the SDA was

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created to do so that uh that tactical

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edge , you get that that targeting data

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to the tactical edge to give war

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fighters and commanders standoff , to

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take actions and contact and were able

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to put steel on target . I'll

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absolutely support all domains and all

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services as an Army officer in the

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SDA , I'm there along with the Navy ,

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the Air Force , Space Force , and

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Marines trying to understand how is all

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of the services , all the joint force

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going to be able to use this capability

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and integrate with the systems that

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they have out in the force now or

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they're planning for the other various

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acquisitions organizations . Um , the

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other thing is I'm really excited to

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see where the Army is going and the

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Army transformation in this initiative

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and uh transformation and contact . SDA

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wants to partner with the army and the

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other services in this as we're

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continuously delivering new capability

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and and asking . Requirements for

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what's needed next . We're able to

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consistently demonstrate capability

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with soldiers on the ground , with

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airmen and sailors , and learn , keep

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that oodle loop going in the

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acquisitions world and then deploy the

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next capability . And finally for

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industry , as I mentioned a little bit

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earlier , we're really focused on

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getting that industrial base ramped up

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so it is resilient and responsive to

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respond to threats , to respond to new

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opportunities . A couple of things we

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have going on now with SDA some demos

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on on orbit . Uh , we've got some great ,

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uh , missile warning . Uh , this is

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tracking data that's come down . Uh ,

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we've launched our satellites with , uh ,

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MDA and it had some Cole that's been

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pretty exciting , and that data has

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been proven and shared with . The

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community tactical comms we are

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transport layer , Link 16 . Link 16 is

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something we chose because the war

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fighter has it thousands of aircraft or

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vehicles , and that has been proven to

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do space to air , space to ground ,

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space to maritime and also continuing

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to work on OCTs , optical connections

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both for space to air and space to

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ground . Uh , this fall is very

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exciting for SDA be launching tranche 1 ,

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and within that tranche , we have a

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couple of different capabilities of

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interest that will support global kill

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chains , uh , tactical coms across a

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couple of different waveforms Lake 16

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and others , that missile warning

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missile track that we talked about

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persistence there across the globe ,

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and that's not just for missile warning .

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We want to get that data again through

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that deep integration to any war

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fighter or any war weapon system that

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can use it . We'll have GNSS or PNT

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situational awareness to provide a heat

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map to commanders around the world and

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where jamming may be happening in that

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spectrum . And then finally edge

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processing to take all that sensor data

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on orbit , fuse it and direct it to who

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needs it , whether that's enabling a

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system to launch a remote or to engage

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our remote . And , and finally one of

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the things we're working on is , uh ,

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the next thing is , uh , in our futures

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is for , uh , MTI to get that

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capability to look at , uh , other ,

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other , other threats out there . Uh ,

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again , very happy to be on this panel

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and , uh , like we said , looking

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forward to the event after this panel

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as well . Yeah , thanks . Mr . Bishop .

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Hey , good afternoon all . Um , Jim ,

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first , thank you all for giving me the

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opportunity to , uh , sit on this

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esteemed panel here to discuss

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acquisition . Uh , and then I'd also

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like to say thank you to NDA at NDIA

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folks , uh , and the SMD symposium . Uh ,

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they put on a great , uh , uh , a great

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venue every single year , and , uh ,

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I'm already saying that this is gonna

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be the same . I think what I'll do here

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just briefly is , is , uh , I guess I ,

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I said , I'm again I'm Tim Bishop , I'm

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the uh director of the Space and Met

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Center of Excellence and so I'm gonna

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talk a little bit from , uh , the

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requirements perspective here and to

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make sure that that folks , uh ,

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understand what we do and how the

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acquisition process supports us as

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General , uh , Gainey said , uh , this

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morning , uh , we are . Uh , I guess

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two Army service component commands

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that somewhat have a unique capability

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and then we have centers of excellence ,

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um , that fall within his command , uh ,

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instead of through uh the traditional

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tradeoff AFC uh piece of that which

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gives us the ability to take

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requirements and I'll , I'll just say

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for , for example , one of the things

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we work on specifically with the CAC

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folks is the MDTF requirements for

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space capability and those space

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capabilities range from tactical

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integrated ground sweep . That you

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heard General Gainey talk about today ,

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um , uh , downward , uh , for the

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situational awareness and attack

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perspective , how altitude platforms ,

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um , AP&T , uh , anything that , that

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we use from the ground to affect space ,

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uh , on the ground , uh , it , it

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really falls within , uh , the space

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and high altitude piece of the , of the

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COE that I support and I also have , uh ,

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the space and missile defense , uh ,

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army capability manager as well . And

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so all of these capabilities uh are

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really , you know , what we do is

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underpinned by the acquisition process ,

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you know , Doctor Keith Frapples I

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think is gonna be on the panel , um , I

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think tomorrow it's gonna talk about

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the tech center . This is another one

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of those unique things , but we have a

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center of access and a tech center all

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under one command . Where each year ,

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as a matter of fact , I just did this

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in July , June , July time frame , I

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signed out a requirements memo to Keith

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and his team to get after the specific

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capabilities and technologies that we

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need , uh , to answer uh space and high

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altitude capability for the Army and in

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support of , uh , the combatant command ,

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uh , Space Command , uh , strategic

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Command and Stratcom and as well as uh

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North Northern Command . So this gives

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us somewhat uh a unique ability to look

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at what the requirements are first off

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from our first base to gate , from our

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100 missile defense brigade .

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Understand what their needs are from

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the perspective of that and then

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generator requirements document get

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after those specific things for Keith

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and his team to , no kidding get after .

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And again , those things are really

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underpinned by the acquisition process .

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And and industry's ability to bring

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capability , uh , in support of that ,

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uh , as we move forward . So , uh , I

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think I'm just gonna kind of hold there

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and just cover , uh , I I know you all

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have questions specific to , to what it

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is . I mean we have a lot of capability ,

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uh , as General Gay has already , uh ,

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emphasized today , uh , but instead of

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going through those , I'll wait and ,

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uh , pass the baton here , see if we

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can get on with the questions here and

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get after what you want specifically .

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Thank you all very much and thank you

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for the opportunity . Thanks . Mr .

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Bauer , Thanks , Jim .

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Yes , and good afternoon , everyone .

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Thank you very much for the invite . Uh ,

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I'm Steve Bower , the program executive

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officer for Lland Systems . I oversee

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the design , development , build ,

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fielding , and sustainment of critical

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war fighting capabilities for the

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Marine Corps . Uh , Marine Corps

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presence at this symposium is the first ,

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uh , at my level here and , uh ,

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generally pretty small profile here ,

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but we're gonna change that . We have a

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lot of equities here from the Marine

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Corps , uh , in this space and

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especially in the missile defense area .

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So our Marine Corps contributions to

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the joint forces , especially in

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integrated air and missile defense ,

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are growing and essential to the fight

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ahead . The programs I oversee ,

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especially in the IAMD and integrated

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C-2 areas , support the commandant's

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priority to enable Marines to act as

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the JTAC , the Joint tactical Air

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Controller for the Joint Force ,

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sensing , making sense , and

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communicating with any sensor , any

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shooter . In these areas to equip

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Marines to support the joint force in

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the F-2T2 EA , find , fix ,

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track , target , engage , and assess

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adversary assets will enable joint

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coalition C-2 and kill webs and long

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range precision fires . We collaborate

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closely with many of the folks here on

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the stage and in the audience ,

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especially with DARPA , DIU , OR ,

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Minor , Lincoln Labs , many others . So

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let me give you some examples of how we

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are collaborating in space and missile

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defense . First of all , POLAN System

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participated in nearly every project

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convergence demonstration . For many of

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you , you'll remember that most of them

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happen on the tomato patch up at Camp

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Pendleton . But there we've been using

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and tying together our advanced air and

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missile defense systems , sensor

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capabilities , and fostering

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interoperability within our services

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and also with our allies and joint

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force partners . Working with the

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Department of the Navy , the Missile

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Defense Agency , and Army PO missiles

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in space , we've enabled our TPS 80 or

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Ground Airtask orient and radar , to

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support the integrated battle command

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system IBCS and also to inform Patriot

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batteries with targeting solutions . So

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again , this helps ensure the

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integration of critical missile defense

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capabilities . We also successfully

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demonstrated the use of a joint track

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management capability , a bridge

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capability . That linked Army's IBCS

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compatibility with the Navy's

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cooperative engagement capability

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system via some Marine Corps kit to

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exchange fire control data between our

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services networks . We've coordinated

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with PM Expeditionary radar and PM Stae

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to share design elements , align our

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documentation , and tailor solutions to

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stay interoperable while meeting our

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distinct operational requirements .

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Also , we are deploying the maritime

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targeting cell expeditionary as part of

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the family of integrated targeting

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cells that is both interoperable with

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the United States Navy's maritime

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targeting cell afloat , as well as the

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Army's tactical intelligence targeting

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Access Node or Titan . This is a

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classified mission set to it , so I

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won't go much further than that .

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Advancing a resurgence in missile

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defense within the Marine Corps , what

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I'm most proud of is what we've done in

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the last 5 years in the ground-based

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air defense area . 5 years ago , a

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Marine Corps , uh , infantrymen or

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riflemen only had a singer missile to

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defend themselves . Well today we've

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really changed that . We've established

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a comprehensive layered missile defense

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capability . This includes dismounted

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capabilities against Group 1 and 2 UAS ,

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as well as medium-range interception

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capabilities developed in collaboration

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with Israel , leveraging their

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extensive operational experience with

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the Iron Dome system and the Tamir

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missile . We're also fielding time now

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installation counter small unmanned

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aerial systems at scale , as well as a

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marine air defense integrated system

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and it's lightweight version , the

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light mattice system , and these

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systems feature a short range service

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to air shoot on the move , air defense

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protection for against counter UAVs and

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really protecting our maneuver forces .

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So that's it's a really great news

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story in 5 years we went from Stinger

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to a really layered defense capability

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ground-based air defense , leveraging

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our command and control systems that we

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use at all different systems . So

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finally , uh , and I think there was a

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question that came up at a previous uh

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lecture here on the portfolio

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management capability or some of the

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stuff that's written in the NDAA . Uh ,

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we've been kind of getting after that

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for a couple of years now . Uh , matter

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of fact , uh , in 2023 , late 203 , my

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PEO was assigned to do a pilot effort

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on the what's called the

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portfolio-based capability management .

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To support the initiative , I

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designated 3 PMs to expand their focus

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beyond their systems and programs of

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record and start managing at the

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capability level across 3 domains .

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Integrated air missile defense ,

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integrated command and control , and

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countering unmanned systems . All of

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these capability areas are very

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important to this group here . So again ,

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thanks very much for uh having the

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Marine Corps here today and really

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appreciate meeting you and meeting as

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many people as I can and learning as

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much as I can while I'm here . Thank

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you . Thanks , Jimmy .

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Thanks . It's , uh , great to be here ,

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sir . I'm Jimmy Jenkins , the executive

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vice president of the new Precision

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Fires and Defensive Systems Group at AV

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and really uh appreciate the honor to

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be on the panel , Jim , and appreciate

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you and the team , particularly in a

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time when our defense enterprise is

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being called to move faster , think

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differently and deliver more . The

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Secretary of Defense released a memo on

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the 30th of April titled Army

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Transformation and Acquisition Reform .

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It's both an urgent and unmistakable

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modernize now kind of or else reduce

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waste , they'll help you and retool the

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force for multi-domain conflict ,

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particularly in the Indo-Pacific . Just

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a few comments on that . For , for

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those of us representing the mid to

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small size defensive tech companies ,

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this is a , a moment of unprecedented

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opportunity and responsibility . It's

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not a challenge , it's an opening . In

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one short commercial break , just to

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update the group , uh , AV is now a

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newly formed integrated company . That

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created 1 May this year with the merger

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of Aerovironment and Blue Halo . And

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we're , like many of you are deeply

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positioned to seize this opportunity .

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We brought together decades of

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experience and expertise in unmanned

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systems , precision strike , direct to

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Energy , counter UAS , AIML

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battledriven management , and

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space-focused sensors and payloads .

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And like my partner here , Mike and

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others , uh , we're about convergence ,

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convergence of air and missile defense

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with AI and autonomy , converging ISR

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and fires , converging in valley and

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portability . And I'm honored to lead

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what I call the offensive defenses

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integration group or offensive

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defensive fires group . The army's

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asking more than just incremental

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upgrades . It's demanding a force that

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is agile , lethal , and enabled by the

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best technology industry can provide .

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And while large integrators will always

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play a central role , it's the

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innovation speed adaptability of

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companies like ours and many of you out

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here in the audience that are critical

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to meeting these near-term objectives .

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There are a few near and dear to me of

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these capabilities that are mentioned .

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You know , modular unmanned systems

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that are air launched that meet the

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Army's 2026 building targets . Mobile ,

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affordable counter UAS platforms built

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for maneuver units just like Steven

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mentioned , not just as fixed assets .

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Software defined radios , AI and AC2

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cyber and EW tools that are deployable ,

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open , and rapidly upgradable . And

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finally , advanced manufacturing is

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taking on a new uh term in the near

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term as you've seen in a lot of the

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languages in the news and bringing

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production closer to the point of need ,

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and we , like every other company , are

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having to adapt very fast . But

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technology alone isn't enough . It , it

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hinges on how fast we can get this into

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the hands of soldi . That's why the

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acquisition reform directors in the

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Minimo are just as critical , shifting

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from program centric to

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capability-based funding , expanding

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the use of OTAs , other transactional

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authorities , uh , performance-based

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contracts , and ensuring the right to

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repair , which is reported to us in the

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industry side provisions to keep the

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warfighter first , not the paperwork .

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These aren't just policy shifts .

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They're enables for companies just like

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many in this room to bring disruptive

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tech to the field faster without

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getting trapped in the inertia of

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legacy processes . At the heart of this

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transformation is convergence . Uh ,

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convergence of offensive defensive

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fires like I mentioned , across all

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domains , across all formations , and

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the defense ecosystem . No one company

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has the full solution . It's going to

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take a tight collaboration between

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developers and end users , sharing that

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risk and accelerating . We in the small

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tier and mid-defense companies , we're

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ready and we at AD and other people

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like Mike here at at SAIC , we're ready

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to partner as a team , not just the

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subs . I'm looking forward to the

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questions today and thank you again for

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being on this panel . Appreciate it .

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Yeah thanks you too bye . Uh , good

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afternoon , sir , and again , thank you ,

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uh , uh , and again the rest of the

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panel echo that . uh , thanks for

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letting me come speak today , sir . Um ,

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it's , it's , it's a , it's a pleasure ,

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and I , and I think one of the reasons ,

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uh , what , what we're here , we'll

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talk about some things and kind of what ,

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with , you know what Jimmy talked about

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as well , but , uh , I'm Mike Tomson .

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I'm the vice president for our RBC5biR

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programs here at the local SEST office .

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I'm in the Army Business group and I'm

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gonna talk to you a little bit today

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today on this panel about , uh , about

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our role as a mission integrator . Uh ,

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to set the stage , and I , I think

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you've heard a lot of the same theme

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pretty much from every speaker , um ,

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and , and the word innovation at speed ,

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especially accelerating capabilities ,

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is really important , uh , based on the

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global presence and the global

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pressures that are driving that with

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things going on with Iran and China and

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supply chain , what's going on with

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Russia's hybrid warfare , cyber attacks .

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And , and all of those adversaries have

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a common uh piece to what they're doing

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now is they're bringing their entire

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industrial basis to bear on that

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problem . Uh , in , in the past , the

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government was really the , the drivers

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of innovation . I think they're looking

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for more commercial solutions to help

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in that problem today and it's not just

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about tech , and I think that's

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something that's important uh to

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understand . I think we all know that

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it's not just about tech . uh , the

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tech can't solve all the problems ,

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especially when we think about human

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behavior . Culture systems . And , and

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we look at all those points of light

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without addressing those issues , um ,

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tech can be fragmented , fragmented and ,

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and , uh , and oftentimes it , it can

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be counterproductive what you're trying

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to accomplish . This whole , uh , the

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whole piece here , what's , what's

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evolving is , is I would describe more

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of a , a crowdsourcing exercise . We

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have to be able to tap into a broad

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talent pool , reduce costs , increase

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speed and scalability , encourage

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innovation , all while leveraging

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diverse perspectives . And that's what

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we need . What we need to do is to be

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able to mobilize people , platforms ,

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capital , and ideas into this cohesive ,

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cohesive mission ready focused on the

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warfighter to address these national

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priorities . And so that's , that's how

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I think kind of the formula and I think

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that's what SAIC is invested in , um ,

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from our side at least is this mission

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integration concept . Uh , we really do

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sit at the uh at the intersection of

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tech and mission . And you know ,

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bringing together traditional players ,

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a new entrants , big and small , new

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and old , uh , as Mission indicators ,

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we work connect , uh , in an ecosystem

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and that's what we've invested in some

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of these ecosystems of government

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agencies . Commercial tech companies ,

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universities , academia , startups , uh ,

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venture capital providers , other

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partners , uh , and we fuse legacy

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systems together with commercial tech

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to accelerate mission outcomes . I'll

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just give you 11 quick example on that

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on , on one of our programs . Uh , and

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it's , and it's one on data AI and ,

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and eliminating data silos and , and

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facilitate info sharing , which is a

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big topic that has come up throughout

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the symposium . Uh , part of that ,

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we've partnered with a bunch of , of ,

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of , of different of those partners and

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we've acquired a company called Coverse .

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Um , the military generates massive

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amounts of data from sensors , coms ,

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intel sources , and you got to

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integrate that data to , uh , to do

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analysis of AI , and that's one of the

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things that we're , uh , covert has

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helped us to do that advance analytics

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AI , leveraging that analytics and

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artificial intelligence . Uh , to

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enhance decision making and do analysis

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to support operations and that's the

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big key , uh , a lot of analysis , a

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lot of my background is in analysis ,

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uh , working for the COE , Mr .

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Bishop's team , uh , but , but how you

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do that to support the operation is not

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only , uh , uh , pre milestone

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decisions and , and through the

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acquisition process . So I'll leave

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from that , um , and kind of turn it

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back over for Q&A . Great , please ,

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please text in your questions . I'm ,

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I'm gonna throw one out real quick , uh ,

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if that's all right , when Steve ,

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we're actually back in a green room

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talking about , um , the numerous

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acquisition processes or adaptive

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framework that you all have developed

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so that industry has an opportunity to

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get into some of your programs . Could

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you , could you expound on that a

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little bit ? Yeah , happy to and thanks .

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um , yeah , I didn't , I didn't mention

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that um I'm the only Marine Corps PEO ,

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uh , in , in the Department of Defense ,

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and , uh , I'm blessed to have a very

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complex portfolio , um , and , and it

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starts with , uh , my combat and

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tactical vehicles . Uh , the whole

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portfolio of amphibious vehicles to

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trucks and firefighting vehicles ,

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those are really my my platforms . And

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then I have a whole variety of payloads

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that are deployed off of those

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platforms . Of course the weapon

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systems that we see in our ground-based

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air defense . I've got communications

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gear , part of our integrated C2 IO

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radar . Around expeditionary radars

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that are world class and also deploy

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intelligence equipment off of those

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those same platforms and payloads , but

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any given day I've got worrying about

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water integrity on a vehicle that goes

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in the ocean and at the same time I've

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got to worry about how many petabytes

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of capability I have on a defensive

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cyber weapon system . So what that

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gives me a good benefit of is I'm

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exposed to the total array . Of

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acquisition , adaptive acquisition

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authorities that the Department of

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Defense offers us in our in our

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traditional processes there not only

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those um you know software acquisition

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pathways , middle tier acquisition ,

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major capability acquisition , etc .

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but also the unique contracting

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vehicles that are able to deploy each

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one of those . So I have a a a .

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ability to see all the different types

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of contracts we do to see all the

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successes and challenges we've had with

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different types of vehicles and

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different types of acquisition programs

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and pick from the best of each and

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really tailor things that can that can

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work for the capability that we're

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asked to deploy so I'm I'm a big fan of ,

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uh , you know , saying that . Uh , and ,

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and actually wrote down a part here

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about acquisition reform , uh , and ,

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and to Jimmy's point , I mean the

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opportunity is here , uh , and it's an

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opportunity to make real progress and

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not just create a lot of entropy , um ,

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uh , these efforts that that I talk

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about align with the presidential

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executive orders . Uh , of course

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reflect the growing innovation that we

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must accelerate , but I really want to

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say that we are increasingly primed to

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embrace this kind of reform , so I

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really feel no barriers to a lot of

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things that I need to do . In many

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cases it's just getting out of our own

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way . Um , I , I , I do have to often

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talk to industry about a new creative

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contract . Kind of vehicle we might

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want to use . They're all ears normally

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and we do have to walk that walk

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together . So again I'm very excited

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that we're going to continue within my

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PEO to exploit each of these different

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types of authorities and tail them as

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appropriate , and I've gotten superb

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support of the chain of command to make

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that stuff happen .

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We have quite a number of questions

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that have come in , and one for Tim

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Bishop , if you will , um . This

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question is , uh , is a simple one

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because that this forecast exists on

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the web and it's called your fur system ,

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but , uh , where industry can find SMD

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SMDC requirements or at least the

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opportunities that industry can uh can

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help provide solutions , and they're

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referring to your , your fur website ,

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I believe . And I've got a , a

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follow-up question to you if you will ,

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go ahead . Yes sir , uh ,

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we , uh , actually there's a couple of

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ways actually , I think I , I don't

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think I have any business cards but

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right now , but , um , if , uh , if you ,

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uh , see me roaming around , uh ,

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please , uh , stop by or stop me , uh ,

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ask me to get one of my business cards

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on the back . We have a QR code that

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you can . And and it will take you to

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the unclassified version of our

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requirements document and uh as Joe

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said , we also have this uh published

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on the website as well that will allow

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you to go on to the SMDC site and take

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a look at what the unclassified version

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of those uh requirements for SMDC are

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over . Thank you . Mr . Bishop , are

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there specific lessons learned from

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your time at PDO Stride that you're

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working to integrate with uh SMDC ? And

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if so , what are they and how are they

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being operationalized ? Yeah , I think ,

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you know , I've been in the acquisition

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world , uh , up until , uh , coming

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here , uh , to SNBC , uh , uh , almost

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3 years ago , February of I can't do

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public math here . I think 23 ,

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somewhere in that range , but , um ,

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yeah , I think one of the , the biggest

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lessons that that I learned when at BO

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strides we , we actually stood up what

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we call an act , uh , uh , um , well .

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Uh , it was a stri , uh , agile

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acquisition response or an agile

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acquisition response capability to get

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after capability development , um , and

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really what we focused on there is

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bringing industry partners into , no

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kidding , the decision making process

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as we , uh , as we executed that , um ,

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this was a very , very successful .

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endeavor that PEOs took on , uh ,

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looking at focusing at getting

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capability to combat training centers ,

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uh , like indirect fire , you know ,

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getting those things that we don't

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typically get with the laser provided

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scoring system that's out there , and

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this program actually got a lot of

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support even from the congressional

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side where . Um , we have congressional

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dollars to get this program kicked off .

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Uh , it allowed us to bring industry in

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and what we did is we iterated all

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those capabilities , uh , and then we

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continued to add capabilities to that .

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Uh , I , I think that's one of the

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things we are now working with our

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partners in PEO , IAWNS , uh , the TSS

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folks , the ones that support us , uh ,

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we're looking at a lot of that from the

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perspective of how , you know , we

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bring TRL level 5 or 6 capability that

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you have , uh , while we're .

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Simultaneously looking at science and

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technology and trying to marry those

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into uh a single program as we move

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forward , um , but it allows you to get

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a focus what what we did at Strive when

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you came in with your technology , we

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would tell you what was not working

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right or what we didn't believe was

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going to carry us into the future . Uh ,

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companies didn't have the ability to

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use their , uh , R&D dollars to , uh ,

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to take this thing back home and bring

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it back , and they could bring it back

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at any time . I mean this program was

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running over a 5 year period and we had

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folks that went away in the first year ,

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came back in the 3rd year and are now

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delivering capability to the combat

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training center . So I think those are

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some of the things that that I've

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learned from an acquisition perspective ,

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you know , the , the whole OTA thing

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and we were doing OTAs back in 1998

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under a special authorization . So ,

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you know , taking advantage of 2371 ,

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taking advantage of 2373 , I think ,

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which is now 4023 is another

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opportunity . I think this is what , uh ,

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was it EIU uh executes their

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acquisitions under . So I , I think we

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have the tools we need . Um , one thing

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I think we have to emphasize on is not .

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Creating bureaucracy that slows us down .

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Uh , we're , we're very good at that .

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I've been doing this for a long , a

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long , I'll tell you , I , I have 39

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years coming up in March of this coming

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year and uh I think this is the 7th

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acquisition reform that I went through .

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And what kills our acquisition reform

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is we figure out a way to do it faster

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and then we figure out a way for the

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bureaucracy and for every single set of

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eyes to look at it . Um , we've got to

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make sure we take that into account or

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we're always going to be in a

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seven-year cycle .

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This will be for all panelists , uh ,

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and I'm going to combine quite a number

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of questions in this , uh , in this

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question to , uh , I'll throw out to

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all the panelists . Uh , we , we've

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existed , the acquisition community has

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existed for many years in a , in an

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environment of risk avoidance or risk

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aversion , failure , uh , uh ,

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uh , risk of failure , uh , hesitance ,

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and so on , and now we're embarking on

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an environment of accelerated uh and

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risk acceptance . And uh

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and accepting test fails .

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Uh , how do we How do we , how do we do

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that ? How does your organization adopt

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and adapt to that culture change over ?

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Yeah , thanks for the question . Uh ,

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yeah , that that's been a real cultural

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thing to get after uh with with our

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teams . I call failure fail is the

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first attempt in learning and uh want

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to stress to our folks , our folks on

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the team , like no one wants to

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intentionally fail , but we've got to

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give them space to experiment , right ,

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space to do that . You're you're not

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gonna get innovation , you're not gonna

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get see if you can't allow people to

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have a sense that . OK that they get

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something wrong , uh , especially when

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they're trying so hard to do it , so ,

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uh , I , I think that's uh I think it's

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really a cultural issue , uh , three

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things that I stress first of all ,

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build people and teams , uh , and

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that's , that's an everyday event that

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has to happen . Uh , the second thing

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is learn and share . You've got to have

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uh a . A sense that it it's a first

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attempt in learning . I'm gonna learn ,

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but I'm also gonna then share across

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these programs , right ? And as a PEO

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that's really important to me that what

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a vehicle program may learn may not

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seem like it has anything to do with

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what a cyber program will do , but it

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often times it does , uh , especially

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in in terms of a process and how we do

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things , so , um . Learn and share and

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then finally is to really focus our

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resources . I think someone in a

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previous panel said let's do less

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better . um I I I don't often get asked ,

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uh , you know , drop one of the balls

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you're juggling while I give you

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another one to juggle , but , and , and

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as long as you keep juggling the balls ,

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you're gonna get more balls to juggle ,

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right ? And , and at some point you

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drop . and you never want to get to

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that point . So I've gotten great

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support in educating my team to say let

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me know which fall you think you need

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to potentially juggle out . Let me

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catch . Let's put it over here for a

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second , work on this higher priority ,

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but you've got to be very conscious

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about that , and I think if if you can

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approach the culture , those are just

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some of the techniques and and some of

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the . Areas that I focus on , I think

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uh I I I've noticed it's gotten the

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folks more confident , gotten the teams

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more confident , and uh I think at the

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end of the day , despite all the checks

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and checkers and all the other

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processes you've got that team focused

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like this , uh , I've seen great

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success with that . Thanks .

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Uh , that , that level of culture is

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not just on , on the government side .

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It's on the industry side too . Um , we

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get scrutinized very heavily when we

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fail in anything , uh , particularly

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now in a publicly traded company , you

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know , I've been in all different types

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and the ESOC company you can fail often

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and fast and you're growing in publicly

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traded sometimes , uh , you better get

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it fixed up pretty quickly . But I'll

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tell you that we work on that culture

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here too , and I'll give you an example .

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Um , we took our brand new Titan 4

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system to Fort Bragg in front of the

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user , Never built , the only one ever

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built to demonstrate our capability .

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And we felt often in that demonstration ,

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but we're taking what we did with Titan

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IIs , which have been in Ukraine , uh ,

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to a sixfold increase of our ability to

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defeat UAS's and ranges and across

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different , different frequencies . And

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then we immediately inside the company

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start beating each other up like , hey ,

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you know , why didn't you know this ?

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Why did you do that ? So this culture

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thing just both ways , but I'll tell

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you the way Jimmy's opinion to help

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smooth it over is the government

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customer giving us assurances that they

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believe it as Tim said , he's been

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through all of these acquisition

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reforms , but if they give you the

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confidence , look , we want you to fail

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fast , we accept the failures . Show us

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how you're going to . Improve over time

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and what that means and we will back

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you if you , if that wiggles in any way

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or we lose confidence in that as

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industry we will move to the next uh

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next shiny object and our next program

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opportunity but if we have that

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assurance , I can guarantee you , at

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least based on my 12 years of

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experience now , we will go all in ,

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we'll continue to invest in it , we'll

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continue to move forward , but it's

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almost . Yeah , I want to hear from Ra .

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Uh , thank you . I appreciate it with

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all the comments about culture . It's ,

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it's across the board , uh , it's

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industry and government , uh , to

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understand that if we want to go fast ,

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if we want to deliver capability , we

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need to change our approach to risk and

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a couple of things I look about there .

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Because we have to have those

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opportunities to learn via demos . We

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gotta get capability in the hands of

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soldiers , airmen , sailors , marines ,

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and , and get that oo loop going so we

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can learn , uh , and not be focused on

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this point solution that's gonna be the

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thing for 10 years . Years , uh , and

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then we got , we put all our hopes in

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that we gotta have that iterative

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process to learn , demonstrate , learn ,

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and the other part is we have to look

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at really understand what is a minimum

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viable product that we need today . We

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gotta be saying , hey . That that

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technology is just a little too

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immature for me to proliferate in space

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or whatever domain you're in and say

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hey we're going to defer that for 2

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years . There's a lot of

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self-discipline there and then and then

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start doing that iterative deployment

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and capability and what that does is

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that gives us a lot of shots on goal .

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We'll learn by doing and we can

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continue that . loop and bring things

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back in , but we got to get that , that ,

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that , that idea of that agile

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development , spiral development

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ingrained in everyone . We absolutely

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have to have that trust that it's

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something does go boom that we're gonna ,

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we're gonna learn . The thing is we've

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got all kinds of things in history to

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prove this is the way of doing it .

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We've seen a lot of things recently in

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commercial space industry . some things

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go boom on the screen and it's ended up

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being a big success . And even in our

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own history , if you look at the Saturn

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5 rocket that's out there , they blew

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up a lot of engines on the ground to

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figure out how to get that thing to

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space . So I think we can do it . We

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have done it . We have to have that

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trust , and we also have to have that

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willingness to demonstrate and learn ,

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and then identify minimal viable

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products .

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Just a couple of quick things , um . I ,

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I think definitely I hope we are

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embarking into a new time frame when it ,

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when it comes to risk versus and the

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acceptance for failure . Because still

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I think too often um if the culture is

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not there , if , if it's not at the

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very tip top of of leadership in there

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you do experience a failure um there

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could be adverse consequences . For

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that team , for that program office ,

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uh , for that program executive office ,

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so I really hope we are embarking on

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that . Um , that really leads to the

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risk aversiveness and acceptance of

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failure , uh , really understanding

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particularly if you're in a technology

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demonstration or prototype environment

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we're really trying to push the limits

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on technology . You really have to have

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that culture and that acceptance up

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front . The other thing it was

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mentioned about building teams , so .

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You know , particularly in the interest

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of , of going fast , being innovative ,

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being creative , you know , too often

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those , those of us that grew up in the

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contracting and acquisition community ,

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you know , we're , we're taught right

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out of the gate to be very conservative .

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Um , so you know , I always say

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to when you build your teams , you need

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to make sure you get the right people

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on the bus . It's only gonna take one

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or two people that are risk averse or

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not willing to to take the risk or or

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challenge uh to really derail your

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entire program .

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Yes , sure , I can say a few things on ,

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on , on risk and I wanna take a little

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different direction like , uh , and

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talk a little bit about operational

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analysis and experimentation because I

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think that's something that we haven't

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really discussed much , and I think it

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ties back to Mr . Bishop's organization ,

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but how important that is , uh , for

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the army and for D to do that . It's

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essential , uh , to mitigate risk , but

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also to , to , to be able to quantify

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and show the utility to the war fighter

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to the operational context , and I

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think that's something that that I know

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the warfighters are interested in , um ,

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in terms of , in terms of risks . Uh ,

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I think from , uh , operational

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analysis perspective underpinning the ,

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the ability to remain agile and , and

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mitigate that risk is important and

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what we're doing .

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Yes , uh , since next generation

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missile defense or missile defense

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acquisition going forward will feature

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largely not , or at least in large

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measure , non-traditional contracting

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approaches . How can a a large business

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or for that matter , Any business

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steeped in traditional far-based

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contracting remain competitive .

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Anybody willing to take that ?

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Culture , culture , culture . Um ,

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particularly my experience . Um ,

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with traditional primes trying to break

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into the other transaction arena or

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non-traditional acquisition approaches .

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Um , culture , just like on the

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government side , just like we just

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talked about the risks can really , uh ,

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hold you back . Um Talked

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about building teams that's on both

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sides of the fence . You got to build

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the right teams , you got to get the

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right people in place , and you've got

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to establish the right processes . It's

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not business as usual whenever you're

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trying to approach a non-traditional .

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Um , strategy . Um , so from the

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government side , we have to adapt ,

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industry has to adapt as well in order

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to be , uh , effective . that . Um ,

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another thing , um , that , that seems

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to be challenging and whenever we

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approach other transaction with

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traditionals is the level of

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collaboration and trust . Um , again ,

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that's a culture thing and it really ,

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um , to change that culture , there

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really has to be . An openness , a

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level , a new level of collaboration ,

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um , where both the government and

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industry can , can learn and benefit

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from each other . And be open , right ,

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and be fair with each other , um .

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Yeah , I think also . You know there

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are pockets of excellence right within

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the government and probably within

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certain industries , certain companies

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that do a lot of OTs or a lot of kind

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of nonpar based contracts and so even

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within my portfolio I've got some that

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do a lot and some that don't do any ,

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and the default , you know , was OK ,

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we're gonna do the same old time . No ,

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I want you to start with a fresh look .

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Let's go talk to these folks how they

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do it . Uh , one challenge I see on

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that is , you know , with the far base

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I mean I get CPAs , right ? I , I , I

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get some good data and it's , it's at

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the end of the day we do have to be

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accountable to each other . So that's

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kind of what I'm exploring and a lot of

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the OTs is how can we have that kind of

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effective collaboration and a more open

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discussion about performance and those

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kind of things . So I , I mean there's

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pros and cons of each . Uh , one thing

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I get concerned about is ladling too

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many far . You can add far things onto

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OTs . Uh , our regulations you can pick

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and choose and add them so I I get

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concerned about that because I have now

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a kind of a hybrid type of approach ,

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but uh , I , I do miss having that CAS

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uh ability on that . So you know that

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becomes a great discussion as we're

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walking the journey with the company

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about how are we gonna execute this OT .

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I , I think that's one way , uh ,

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companies can learn exactly , you know ,

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what are , what are the , the left and

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right limits of those , how do they

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propose to talk about performance or

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what happens if things don't go right ?

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how is that going to be handled with

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the government , get the government to

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discuss it with you as well .

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This question is for Mister Posky .

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There is enormous interest and , and

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literally scores of questions having to

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do with the shield acquisition . And I

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don't know to what extent you expand on

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your comments , but it would be very

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useful to this audience if you can ,

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regarding your description of SHIELD

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and how it will be . Uh , how it will

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be administered in terms of the

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competition to the extent that you can

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comment on a shield , sir , go forward .

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All right , um , thank you for that

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question . So as I mentioned earlier ,

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this is really gonna change , uh , the

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way MDA does , does business and

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acquisition . multiple Announcement ,

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those , those two will probably be the ,

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the , the major vehicles , uh , going

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forward in support of the next

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generation missile defense . Just a

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little bit more detail on , on Shield .

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Uh , it is a multi-award IDIQ . It is

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far based , um , for 16.5 . It's

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intended to award various types of , of

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contract vehicles off of that IDIQ uh

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based contracts of fixed price , cost

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reimbursement , etc . Um ,

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I can expand a little bit on some of

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the other , um , work areas as far as

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scope . So it also can include science

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and technology , research and

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development , prototyping , studies ,

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demos , testing and prototypes ,

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disruptive technologies ,

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experimentation , and architecture

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development . Um , so I

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would just follow this closely . Um ,

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it's still early in the process , um .

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What , uh , Sam.gov and you can also

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find some more information on MDA.m. If

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you put , if you go to the site there ,

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select partner with us and then

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contract vehicles . The shield and the

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multiple authority announcement . More

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additional information is there . Thank

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you . This question is for Mr . Jenkins

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and Mr . Tomlinson . How are your

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organizations changing internally to

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meet government signaling of more

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commercial approaches ?

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Yeah , it's what I'm talking what I

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talked about kind of earlier in my

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opening comments about uh just the

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ecosystem that we're , we're developing ,

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uh , I think we're , we're looking to

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partner with , you know , all kinds of

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different commercial entities . I think

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that's that open , open scalable , uh ,

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shareable government-owned architecture

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in those ecosystems I think is the key ,

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you know , another area that I'll

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highlight highlighted covers with data

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AI earlier , but what we're doing , um ,

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with the , with the tool called uh

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Ready One with digital engineering is

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another example of that . Um , we're

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not just building the ecosystem

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internally investing in the ecosystem ,

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but we're bringing our partners in to ,

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to , to deliver on a digital

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engineering capability to rapidly look

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at meeting the requirements and then .

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Um , as part of the digital thread and

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digital twin kind of back to modeling

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stimulation where you can bring all

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those different capabilities , you know ,

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all the different , uh , organizations

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as part of the ecosystem and commercial

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new commercial offerings as part of

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that process as well , uh , to

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participate and then , and , and then

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be able to help serve , uh , accelerate

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customer uh customers delivery .

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I would add that , um , one of the good

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challenges that we have now when you

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you hear all about the missile

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production , um , we have that in our

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offensive strike weapons , the

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switchblades , is the government

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requirement to produce more . So I ,

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I'm up to $240 a month . They want me

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to go to 1000 a month . The only way I

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can get there is through

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commercialization of some of our

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manufacturing processes and so we're in

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stride right now of doing an adequate

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manufacturing . We're finding new

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partners . We found one just recently

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that's a phenomenal company that's

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helping us offload some of our counter

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US technology development tools and

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manufacturing to another facility . Uh ,

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just to be candid , I mean may or may

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not know that many of us do contract

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manufacturing . So we will , uh , farm

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out some of the simpler processes for

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manufacturing an item or complex

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processes to a second entity . Uh , and

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then take that in strides and they

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evaluate how well they're performing ,

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uh , those bills . In some cases it's

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good . It's a 99.9% efficacy rate , but

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others we discovered 80% or 20%

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failures each step . That's not

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sustainable for us , so we're having to

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change the , the people we rely on to

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manufacture those items and the way

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they do it and move on to other vendors .

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Uh , so the commercialization of our

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products is what helps us go faster and

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also attain a price point that's

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competitive . And then the , the , of

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course , the nuances . Uh , making sure

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it's American made , doesn't have

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foreign parts in it , and that is a

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substantial challenge to all of us for

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some of the legacy things . The new

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edit on batteries and where we can buy

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battery parts from it's going to change

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the landscape for many of us in the

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near future , and we're after it , but

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it's not something you solve overnight .

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It takes about 3 to 5 years to change a

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vendor process out like that . So I

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hope that helps answer that . Thanks ,

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appreciate that . So I've got one to

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ask here . How significant is industry

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diversity ? To include commercial

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providers , which kind of jumps off of

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this , this , uh , last question to

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deliver capability at a very rapid pace .

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Uh , it's absolutely critical that we

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have a resilient responsive industry

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base , uh , and we also want to embrace ,

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uh , different approaches , uh ,

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whether it's commercial production

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methods or commercial parts or even

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connecting to commercial constellations

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on orbit or commercial capabilities on

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the ground in order to do what we need

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to do to defend our nation and advance

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our technical goals , we absolutely

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have . Include all those uh commercial

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capabilities . Better diversity , uh ,

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we want to make sure that , uh , uh ,

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we , we're getting the best ideas from

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across industry . We want to make sure

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we have that competition because it

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normally brings out the best of us and

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also it just helps us be resilient .

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And reduces risk if there is a problem

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with a particular uh partner , uh ,

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that we're able to pivot and continue

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to deliver capability to the war

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fighter , uh , and then , and then

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continue to move on and , and bring

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that maybe that either on later .

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I've got another question . I've got a

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couple of questions for Mr . Bowden ,

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by the way . It's wonderful to have a

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marine on the town , by the way .

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Thanks , thanks for being here . Um ,

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Can you elaborate on a five-year

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roadmap for the Marine Corps missile

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defense , and Follow that

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the status of the Marine Corps Command

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and Control at large is their

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collaboration with the Army's next

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generation C2 effort . What are the

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biggest United States Marine Corps

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Command and Control needs in the future ?

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Yeah , I'll answer the , uh , thanks

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for the question . Um , I'll answer the

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second part first . Um , we do a

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quarterly or every 6 months home on

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home with the army . uh , we've got one

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coming up , I believe it's this month ,

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later this month , and , uh , I've

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already had , uh , uh , 3 or 4 colonels

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go visit with the army to help set the

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stage for that . So , uh , in many

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cases we're handed . Love with the army

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on many , many , uh , C4 , C2 , C4I

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initiatives . Uh , this , the next gen

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C2 , it looks a lot like what we are

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calling Project Dynamus in the Marine

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Corps , uh , the kind of , uh ,

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different layers you have is a tactical ,

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you know , data layer , data

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orchestration layer . There's a

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transport layer , application layer .

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Uh , very much a focus on network , uh ,

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the kind of measures you have on that

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latency , what's your compute power at

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echelon at edge . So there's a lot of

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collaboration going on with the army ,

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uh , and , and we do again a specific

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home on home with the program office in

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Aberdeen , uh , and I sit in on that as

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well as my program . So , uh , lots of

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great opportunity for , uh , shared ,

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uh , investments , uh , as you know ,

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the Army scale is . 10X or larger than

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that of the Marine Corps . So I really

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do look for those opportunities , uh ,

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where we can be fast followed to the

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army . So very excited for that

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opportunity and for that initiative the

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army is taking and it really does . Uh ,

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segue very well with what the Marine

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Corps is doing , so I see a lot of , a

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lot of great , uh , uh , collaboration

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forward on that , uh , on the , uh ,

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roadmap piece , uh , that , that's

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we're kind of at the , we're never at

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the end really , but we , we that that

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road map was set in place 5 years ago

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and we are now fielding these , uh ,

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capabilities across the whole ground

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based air defense . uh , in addition ,

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I think we've doubled the size of our

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MOS's in those areas so . Uh ,

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fortunately we got after the MOPF piece

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of this so that as the equipment's

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landing , it's not like what do I do

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with this ? I mean they're trained , uh ,

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in it , uh , they've been , uh ,

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increasing the size of those MOSs there

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and the the anti-air defense , uh ,

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battalions and divisions . So that's

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really good . One area that , um , we

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just recently got involved with , uh ,

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obviously the ficiency , I think many

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have recognized since Ukraine was what

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about the dismounted , uh , units ,

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right ? The ones that are not solely

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dedicated . Air defense , how are they

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going to defend themselves ? So in , in

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a great bit of acquisition agility ,

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I'm , I'm happy to say we within like 9

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months or so got after that and they've

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got already got some solutions that are

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gonna be in the hands of Marines here

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in uh in a month or so . So very , very

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happy with that and again I , I think

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it shows the ability to go fast when we

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need to and , and so from dismount up

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to . Echelon and up to installation now

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we've got that layered defense so that

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road map has been realized . The real

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challenge is , you know , I , I don't

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have 5 more years to think about the

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next road map . The threat very threat

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informed , so as that threat is

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changing , that's that kind of road map

58:43.921 --> 58:46.088
we've got to , uh , do this . Uh , I ,

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I think General Brown mentioned

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continuous objective requirements

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review or COA that like we've got to be

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doing that constantly and constantly

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having demonstrations along with JCO

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and others of what kind of capabilities

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we can field against these new threats

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and , and new , uh , ways of deploying

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them . So I hope that answers the

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question . Thank you . Uh , this one is

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for Jimmy Jenkins . So , and , and this

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is something for the whole audience ,

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you know , the Secretary of Defense

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Army Transformation and acquisition

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reform memo that was dated 30 April

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2025 . You can find that online .

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Highly recommend you read that if

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you're in the business of acquisition

59:26.649 --> 59:28.929
and where we'll go on with that , uh ,

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but what are your thoughts on that ?

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Based uh everything I said in terms of ,

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I , I , I'll give you an example , um ,

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Secretary of the Army and chief of

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staff of the Army have talked about

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changing the formations of our of our

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divisions and corps to be more agile

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and have a longer range higher

59:51.280 --> 59:53.336
firepower in a way that we might not

59:53.336 --> 59:55.336
have thought about . I specifically

59:55.336 --> 59:57.391
mentioned , do we need the amount of

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helicopter units . Uh , other types of

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long range fire capabilities and we

01:00:01.558 --> 01:00:03.820
could plant something . Um , so to me

01:00:03.820 --> 01:00:05.820
this is a chance to go augment that

01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:09.300
force and give us other ways to perform

01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:11.133
our mission both offensively and

01:00:11.133 --> 01:00:13.244
defensively . On the offensive side ,

01:00:13.244 --> 01:00:15.356
obviously you're seeing in the war in

01:00:15.356 --> 01:00:17.899
Ukraine there's a space where , uh , we

01:00:17.899 --> 01:00:20.121
are firing in very , very long ranges ,

01:00:20.121 --> 01:00:22.540
unmanned systems that have javelin and

01:00:22.540 --> 01:00:24.484
other like warheads that have been

01:00:24.484 --> 01:00:27.169
devastating to Russian armor . That

01:00:27.310 --> 01:00:29.366
surprisingly continued to fight like

01:00:29.366 --> 01:00:32.090
it's 1975 . Uh , so , but they're

01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:34.909
adapting us . The other thing that is

01:00:34.909 --> 01:00:36.750
even more challenging is in the

01:00:36.750 --> 01:00:38.861
electronic warfare spectrum of what's

01:00:38.861 --> 01:00:41.830
happening overseas . And for some of us ,

01:00:41.949 --> 01:00:44.060
many of you in the room , you're able

01:00:44.060 --> 01:00:46.116
to go down range and see . The , the

01:00:46.116 --> 01:00:49.219
use of EW both offensively and

01:00:49.219 --> 01:00:51.659
defensively in an environment that we

01:00:51.659 --> 01:00:55.050
did not expect to rapidly go this fast .

01:00:55.459 --> 01:00:57.515
I'm sorry I said those two words the

01:00:57.515 --> 01:01:00.379
same way , but uh I think we're behind

01:01:00.379 --> 01:01:02.719
in this area . We , we have not adapted

01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:05.482
to fighting in that environment because

01:01:05.482 --> 01:01:07.816
we haven't had to in the very near term ,

01:01:07.816 --> 01:01:09.982
but they sure are doing it in a couple

01:01:09.982 --> 01:01:11.982
of places in the Middle East and in

01:01:11.982 --> 01:01:14.149
Europe . Um , so bridging that gap , I

01:01:14.149 --> 01:01:16.371
think this , this reform gets after and

01:01:16.371 --> 01:01:18.479
it's , it's kind of what , uh , Alex

01:01:18.479 --> 01:01:21.899
said of a minimal bio pro product and

01:01:21.899 --> 01:01:24.110
that I can give you something that is

01:01:24.110 --> 01:01:26.780
60% effective today or you can wait 4

01:01:26.780 --> 01:01:28.947
or 5 years and I'll give you something

01:01:28.947 --> 01:01:30.724
that's 90% . Uh , and our , our

01:01:30.724 --> 01:01:32.558
soldiers are demanding , we need

01:01:32.558 --> 01:01:34.669
something now . Now what I've found ,

01:01:34.669 --> 01:01:37.002
one last thing , I , we have found that ,

01:01:37.002 --> 01:01:39.002
uh , there's a point of diminishing

01:01:39.002 --> 01:01:40.780
returns on that . If you're not

01:01:40.780 --> 01:01:42.836
incrementally improving that product

01:01:42.836 --> 01:01:45.159
line . Ukrainians as an example , will

01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:47.326
say , OK , I got to get something else

01:01:47.326 --> 01:01:49.381
because 60% is not good enough today

01:01:49.381 --> 01:01:51.548
because it's deteriorating 50% because

01:01:51.548 --> 01:01:53.548
the enemy had a vote , as Steve was

01:01:53.548 --> 01:01:55.548
saying , they are they are adapting

01:01:55.548 --> 01:01:57.715
every single week and we have to adapt

01:01:57.715 --> 01:01:59.959
with it . To us in mid-sized small

01:01:59.959 --> 01:02:02.070
companies , this is an opportunity to

01:02:02.070 --> 01:02:04.530
go after it and finally enter the game

01:02:04.860 --> 01:02:07.082
at a , at a kind of a sideways angle to

01:02:07.379 --> 01:02:09.260
to give you capability that you

01:02:09.260 --> 01:02:11.482
couldn't have gotten as fast . It won't

01:02:11.482 --> 01:02:13.593
be perfect , but it'll be better than

01:02:13.593 --> 01:02:15.427
nothing and that's to me the big

01:02:15.427 --> 01:02:18.830
advantage of this . Thanks

01:02:19.780 --> 01:02:23.139
Hey , for Tim . So how is the

01:02:23.139 --> 01:02:26.600
acquisition process ? Being adapted to

01:02:26.600 --> 01:02:29.000
accelerate on the delivery of space and

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.919
missile defense capabilities and

01:02:30.919 --> 01:02:33.086
response based on this evolving threat

01:02:33.086 --> 01:02:34.086
we just heard .

01:02:37.780 --> 01:02:39.947
Yeah , I think , uh , when you look at

01:02:39.947 --> 01:02:42.058
how the acquisition process is really

01:02:42.058 --> 01:02:44.224
trying to adapt , uh , uh , you know ,

01:02:44.224 --> 01:02:46.558
we , we've talked a lot here about , uh ,

01:02:46.558 --> 01:02:48.780
streamlining the acquisition pathways ,

01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:48.370
right , uh , especially when you get

01:02:48.370 --> 01:02:50.481
into , as example , some of the space

01:02:50.481 --> 01:02:52.592
platforms that we have , we're really

01:02:52.592 --> 01:02:54.814
getting to a point where we're software

01:02:54.814 --> 01:02:56.981
enabled by hardware and our ability to

01:02:56.981 --> 01:02:59.092
make changes , you know , I think one

01:02:59.092 --> 01:03:01.439
of the things we learned from , um ,

01:03:01.649 --> 01:03:03.760
you know , the lessons learned from ,

01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:05.816
uh , Ukraine and Russia is . Because

01:03:05.816 --> 01:03:08.919
we're seeing things adapt in months ,

01:03:09.129 --> 01:03:11.240
uh , I think when you look at what we

01:03:11.240 --> 01:03:13.610
did with the CSA war game , things are

01:03:13.610 --> 01:03:16.169
going to adapt in days . And so our

01:03:16.169 --> 01:03:18.889
ability for these pathways to allow us

01:03:18.889 --> 01:03:21.649
to modify software , um , that is

01:03:21.649 --> 01:03:23.871
enabled by the hardware that we produce

01:03:23.871 --> 01:03:25.927
is going to be one of those things I

01:03:25.927 --> 01:03:25.449
think it's gonna be very important for

01:03:25.449 --> 01:03:28.000
us in the future . Um , I , I think we

01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.222
continue to have to expand the use of ,

01:03:30.222 --> 01:03:32.222
uh , rapid prototyping and fielding

01:03:32.222 --> 01:03:34.389
authorities . I think , you know , one

01:03:34.389 --> 01:03:36.222
of the , you know , I , I talked

01:03:36.222 --> 01:03:38.167
briefly , one of the things we are

01:03:38.167 --> 01:03:40.389
doing as example now is , uh , uh , the

01:03:40.389 --> 01:03:42.830
tech center and that team has brought

01:03:42.830 --> 01:03:44.608
forward some capabilities we're

01:03:44.608 --> 01:03:46.949
integrating into our existing platforms

01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:49.421
and we're putting , uh , we're building

01:03:49.421 --> 01:03:51.477
8 of those platforms to put directly

01:03:51.477 --> 01:03:53.477
into the field , into the soldiers'

01:03:53.477 --> 01:03:55.255
hands , uh , for operations and

01:03:55.255 --> 01:03:57.310
feedback . Uh , one of those systems

01:03:57.310 --> 01:03:59.255
then will be upgraded , uh , as we

01:03:59.255 --> 01:04:01.366
receive that feedback from , uh , the

01:04:01.366 --> 01:04:03.477
space control companies , uh , giving

01:04:03.477 --> 01:04:05.477
us the ability to be prepared for a

01:04:05.477 --> 01:04:07.699
production run , if you will , on those

01:04:07.699 --> 01:04:09.810
systems , and I think getting after ,

01:04:09.810 --> 01:04:11.810
getting the technology in the field

01:04:12.020 --> 01:04:14.500
rapidly , uh , is going to be , is

01:04:14.500 --> 01:04:17.129
going to be . He , I think you know I

01:04:17.129 --> 01:04:19.449
set in and uh I have the I guess the

01:04:19.449 --> 01:04:21.616
pleasure of setting in the most all of

01:04:21.616 --> 01:04:23.929
the AOCs that the army has is um uh

01:04:23.929 --> 01:04:26.370
within SMDC listening and , and the

01:04:26.370 --> 01:04:28.649
message that the the chief continues to

01:04:28.649 --> 01:04:30.705
bring is , you know , he always asks

01:04:30.705 --> 01:04:33.050
you questions , right ? First is can it

01:04:33.050 --> 01:04:34.994
be made modular ? And so if you're

01:04:34.994 --> 01:04:36.883
looking at something that's on 12

01:04:36.883 --> 01:04:38.661
trucks and you know , his first

01:04:38.661 --> 01:04:40.828
question is modular , uh , and I think

01:04:40.828 --> 01:04:42.939
we have to continue to look at that .

01:04:42.939 --> 01:04:45.409
Uh , his second question is . Where's

01:04:45.409 --> 01:04:48.070
it going to be tested ? And if it's not

01:04:48.070 --> 01:04:50.429
in theater , um , you , you need to

01:04:50.429 --> 01:04:52.485
erase your answer and start all over

01:04:52.485 --> 01:04:54.596
again , right , because , um , taking

01:04:54.596 --> 01:04:56.485
that stuff to the field , getting

01:04:56.485 --> 01:04:58.651
feedback so we can wrap it head on and

01:04:58.651 --> 01:05:00.985
it's gonna be critically important . Uh ,

01:05:00.985 --> 01:05:03.096
I think increasing collaboration with

01:05:03.096 --> 01:05:02.820
industry is another important area ,

01:05:02.989 --> 01:05:04.989
right ? I talked about that earlier

01:05:04.989 --> 01:05:07.156
with what we did with the , uh , agile

01:05:07.156 --> 01:05:09.322
acquisition response . Uh , allowing ,

01:05:09.322 --> 01:05:11.267
uh , you to bring technologies and

01:05:11.267 --> 01:05:10.629
capability and when we give you

01:05:10.629 --> 01:05:12.629
feedback , you know , feedback that

01:05:12.629 --> 01:05:14.796
gives you the ability to go make those

01:05:14.796 --> 01:05:16.629
changes and , and , and , and us

01:05:16.629 --> 01:05:18.685
identify what's not working together

01:05:18.685 --> 01:05:20.907
and where we need to go in the future ,

01:05:20.907 --> 01:05:22.851
uh , and then lastly , uh , uh , I

01:05:22.851 --> 01:05:25.018
think leveraging commercial innovation

01:05:25.018 --> 01:05:26.962
is probably one of those things we

01:05:26.962 --> 01:05:29.129
continue , we will need to continue to

01:05:29.129 --> 01:05:31.296
look at . I mean , um , the commercial

01:05:31.296 --> 01:05:34.189
world is moving at a pace that that is ,

01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:36.939
uh , just remarkable . The challenge

01:05:36.939 --> 01:05:38.717
that we have is we try to start

01:05:38.717 --> 01:05:40.661
throwing security requirements and

01:05:40.661 --> 01:05:42.661
things on top of that , uh , and we

01:05:42.661 --> 01:05:44.828
start slowing the system down . um , I

01:05:44.828 --> 01:05:46.883
think we're going to have to look at

01:05:46.883 --> 01:05:48.772
how we do cybersecurity and those

01:05:48.772 --> 01:05:50.939
things a little bit differently in the

01:05:50.939 --> 01:05:50.500
future . And when we get to a point

01:05:50.500 --> 01:05:52.899
where decisions are being made at

01:05:52.899 --> 01:05:54.621
machine speeds with artificial

01:05:54.621 --> 01:05:56.843
intelligence as an example , uh , we're

01:05:56.843 --> 01:05:58.677
gonna be making decisions before

01:05:58.677 --> 01:06:00.843
security becomes an issue , uh , and ,

01:06:00.843 --> 01:06:03.066
um , I think that's another area that .

01:06:03.066 --> 01:06:05.232
To start thinking about and looking at

01:06:05.232 --> 01:06:07.370
as we move into the 2030 , 5 , 2040

01:06:07.370 --> 01:06:10.560
time frame . Thank you , Tim . Yes ,

01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:13.600
sir . I'd like to let the panel close

01:06:13.600 --> 01:06:15.767
with a 32nd snippet and so we'll start

01:06:15.767 --> 01:06:18.159
with Mike . Yeah , yes , sir , thank

01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.381
you for again let me letting me be here

01:06:20.381 --> 01:06:22.437
and participate in this , this great

01:06:22.437 --> 01:06:24.270
panel . Um , I , I think just in

01:06:24.270 --> 01:06:26.326
summary , uh , kind of his his theme

01:06:26.326 --> 01:06:28.381
overall is that national security is

01:06:28.381 --> 01:06:30.326
not a solo endeavor but requires a

01:06:30.326 --> 01:06:32.548
broad coalition driven by integrators ,

01:06:32.548 --> 01:06:34.659
academia , startups , hyper scalers ,

01:06:34.659 --> 01:06:36.715
OEM , venture capitals , all those ,

01:06:36.715 --> 01:06:38.881
and , and success is gonna be found in

01:06:38.881 --> 01:06:40.715
our ability to bring that entire

01:06:40.715 --> 01:06:42.826
digital base together to solve , uh ,

01:06:42.826 --> 01:06:42.530
the , the military and , and , and

01:06:42.530 --> 01:06:44.308
what's going on from a national

01:06:44.308 --> 01:06:45.974
security perspective . And uh

01:06:45.974 --> 01:06:48.379
understand that that the SM SMD uh is

01:06:48.379 --> 01:06:51.189
uh every evolving field uh we're stand

01:06:51.189 --> 01:06:52.411
ready to go to help .

01:06:55.219 --> 01:06:57.219
It was exciting to me to be on this

01:06:57.219 --> 01:06:59.441
panel because listening to particularly

01:06:59.441 --> 01:07:01.330
the , the government folks , uh ,

01:07:01.330 --> 01:07:03.497
espoused their challenges , you know ,

01:07:03.497 --> 01:07:05.830
for 3 of the 4 folks on this stage , uh ,

01:07:05.830 --> 01:07:05.729
I've been a part of the delivery

01:07:05.729 --> 01:07:07.929
capability too . Some of it I've done

01:07:07.929 --> 01:07:09.929
well with MDA . I've given you some

01:07:09.929 --> 01:07:12.151
cutting edge . Some of it I've not done

01:07:12.151 --> 01:07:14.151
as well with Tim's organization . I

01:07:14.151 --> 01:07:15.929
think the fact is we need to be

01:07:15.929 --> 01:07:18.199
transparent and talk as , as you as so

01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:20.310
mentioned collaborative and how do we

01:07:20.310 --> 01:07:22.532
continue to get better ? What can we do

01:07:22.532 --> 01:07:24.255
differently to make what we're

01:07:24.255 --> 01:07:26.310
delivering you , um , more effective

01:07:26.310 --> 01:07:26.120
than the warfighter and we're doing

01:07:26.120 --> 01:07:28.287
that with the Marines and strides , so

01:07:28.287 --> 01:07:30.398
it's exciting to be part of this this

01:07:30.398 --> 01:07:32.509
panel and appreciate the time today .

01:07:34.260 --> 01:07:36.427
Thank you very much again for inviting

01:07:36.427 --> 01:07:38.316
the Marine Corps here and uh look

01:07:38.316 --> 01:07:40.427
forward to continuing to learn , um ,

01:07:40.427 --> 01:07:42.260
you know what what the space and

01:07:42.260 --> 01:07:44.427
missile defense ecosystem does . We're

01:07:44.427 --> 01:07:46.649
we're a big part of that , uh , quiet ,

01:07:46.649 --> 01:07:48.760
uh , small force , uh , but we're out

01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:50.816
there . They , they say 3 things are

01:07:50.816 --> 01:07:52.482
gonna are gonna determine the

01:07:52.482 --> 01:07:54.649
Indo-Pacific submarines , soft and the

01:07:54.649 --> 01:07:56.704
stand in force . Uh , and the Marine

01:07:56.704 --> 01:07:56.510
Corps is out there . That's your

01:07:56.510 --> 01:07:58.959
standing force , that's your JTAC , uh ,

01:07:59.030 --> 01:08:00.974
to the , to the joint force that's

01:08:00.974 --> 01:08:03.197
coming in , uh , if , if needed . So we

01:08:03.197 --> 01:08:05.419
want to continue to do that . I think ,

01:08:05.419 --> 01:08:07.030
uh , we all talked about how

01:08:07.030 --> 01:08:09.252
acquisition reform is real for us right

01:08:09.252 --> 01:08:11.586
now . I really feel it's kind of like a ,

01:08:11.586 --> 01:08:13.808
like running a race , a race car . Uh ,

01:08:13.808 --> 01:08:15.863
like almost a Formula One team , you

01:08:15.863 --> 01:08:18.086
know , you , you've got to put a car on

01:08:18.086 --> 01:08:20.363
the , on the track that's going to win ,

01:08:20.363 --> 01:08:22.530
but it's got to have its pit stops and

01:08:22.530 --> 01:08:24.697
sometimes those pit stops , you got to

01:08:24.697 --> 01:08:26.530
replace the tire , you got to do

01:08:26.530 --> 01:08:28.641
something different . You , you might

01:08:28.641 --> 01:08:27.819
even have to , you know , to do

01:08:27.819 --> 01:08:29.986
something creative on to keep your car

01:08:29.986 --> 01:08:32.041
on the race track , but you move one

01:08:32.041 --> 01:08:34.097
step closer to get into that winning

01:08:34.097 --> 01:08:36.319
car each time . So we've got to deliver

01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.041
measurable gains of capacity ,

01:08:38.041 --> 01:08:39.986
capability and readiness , and the

01:08:39.986 --> 01:08:42.152
rules of the races are going to change

01:08:42.152 --> 01:08:44.375
and lap on us most certainly the threat

01:08:44.375 --> 01:08:46.430
has a has a voice in that too , uh ,

01:08:46.430 --> 01:08:48.486
operational demands , other things ,

01:08:48.486 --> 01:08:50.597
but that's the challenge facing us in

01:08:50.597 --> 01:08:52.652
this era of acquisition reform , the

01:08:52.652 --> 01:08:52.375
one we got to get after for the war

01:08:52.375 --> 01:08:53.575
fighter . Thanks .

01:08:56.209 --> 01:08:58.580
So for myself personally , and I think

01:08:58.580 --> 01:09:01.299
MDA we're excited , you know , to

01:09:01.299 --> 01:09:03.466
partner with , with you , industry and

01:09:03.466 --> 01:09:05.355
partner with the services and the

01:09:05.355 --> 01:09:07.339
warfly to , to do some things in

01:09:07.339 --> 01:09:09.339
missile defense that have just been

01:09:09.339 --> 01:09:11.395
talked about for decades and studied

01:09:11.395 --> 01:09:13.939
for decades . Uh , you know , some of

01:09:13.939 --> 01:09:15.939
these things have been talked about

01:09:15.939 --> 01:09:18.229
since , uh , Ronald Reagan's strategic

01:09:18.229 --> 01:09:20.562
defense initiative and even before that ,

01:09:20.562 --> 01:09:23.029
so we're very excited , uh , with Next

01:09:23.029 --> 01:09:25.085
Generation missile defense , some of

01:09:25.085 --> 01:09:26.973
these acquisition reforms and new

01:09:26.973 --> 01:09:29.589
acquisition vehicles , uh , to , to

01:09:29.589 --> 01:09:31.549
pursue those efforts . Thank you .

01:09:33.810 --> 01:09:35.921
Uh , thank you , sir . Uh , I'll echo

01:09:35.921 --> 01:09:38.088
some words I said this morning after ,

01:09:38.088 --> 01:09:40.254
uh , reading Freedoms Forge relatively

01:09:40.254 --> 01:09:43.180
recently about how impressed I was . By

01:09:43.180 --> 01:09:45.419
the dedication of industry in World War

01:09:45.419 --> 01:09:48.140
II to get capability of the war fighter ,

01:09:48.180 --> 01:09:50.529
how well they worked across industries ,

01:09:50.979 --> 01:09:53.035
worked together , and even sometimes

01:09:53.035 --> 01:09:55.257
worked too hard . I think it was 130 or

01:09:55.257 --> 01:09:57.770
150 execs died in their office trying

01:09:57.770 --> 01:10:00.939
to get that tank or that airplane to

01:10:00.939 --> 01:10:03.180
the forward edge . And so I just I want

01:10:03.180 --> 01:10:05.402
to appreciate how hard everyone in this

01:10:05.402 --> 01:10:08.129
room is working to deliver capability ,

01:10:08.379 --> 01:10:10.490
and I will say that for us up here in

01:10:10.490 --> 01:10:12.546
the government , we're fighting very

01:10:12.546 --> 01:10:14.657
hard . We had to use all the tools we

01:10:14.657 --> 01:10:16.601
can to work with you , uh , to get

01:10:16.601 --> 01:10:18.799
capability , uh , integrated into our

01:10:18.799 --> 01:10:20.855
warfighter , and we'll commit if you

01:10:20.855 --> 01:10:22.855
bring something that the warfighter

01:10:22.855 --> 01:10:24.910
needs , we will find a way to get it

01:10:24.910 --> 01:10:27.021
delivered to the warfighter when they

01:10:27.021 --> 01:10:30.589
need it . Thank you . And thanks again

01:10:30.589 --> 01:10:32.811
for and , and all the , uh , to all the

01:10:32.811 --> 01:10:35.033
panel members too . Thanks for allowing

01:10:35.033 --> 01:10:37.089
me to participate here . Uh , it's a

01:10:37.089 --> 01:10:38.978
great uh opportunity for me to uh

01:10:38.978 --> 01:10:40.922
represent SNDC , uh , you know , I

01:10:40.922 --> 01:10:43.850
think I , I'll say what I repeat what I

01:10:43.850 --> 01:10:45.961
said earlier , you know , acquisition

01:10:45.961 --> 01:10:48.128
really is the underpinning to the , to

01:10:48.128 --> 01:10:50.239
the , to our success , uh , and , and

01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.461
it is important as just as important as

01:10:52.461 --> 01:10:54.683
the weapon system that we're building ,

01:10:54.683 --> 01:10:56.794
uh , it's what gives us the ability .

01:10:56.794 --> 01:10:58.850
Uh , to move faster is what gives us

01:10:58.850 --> 01:11:01.183
the ability to bring technology to bear .

01:11:01.183 --> 01:11:03.406
It's what gives us the ability to bring

01:11:03.406 --> 01:11:05.572
the technology that you have , uh , to

01:11:05.572 --> 01:11:07.683
the , to the warfighter , um , and so

01:11:07.683 --> 01:11:09.850
just keep doing what you do , uh , and

01:11:09.850 --> 01:11:11.461
please , uh , if you have an

01:11:11.461 --> 01:11:13.461
opportunity to , uh , uh , see me ,

01:11:13.461 --> 01:11:15.572
we'll , we'll try to make sure we get

01:11:15.572 --> 01:11:17.739
you the information or get the card or

01:11:17.739 --> 01:11:19.739
if you can visit the website from a

01:11:19.739 --> 01:11:19.660
requirements perspective , but thank

01:11:19.660 --> 01:11:21.771
you all for what you do every day and

01:11:21.771 --> 01:11:23.938
panel , thank you as well . And I just

01:11:23.938 --> 01:11:26.104
want to thank the panel for taking the

01:11:26.104 --> 01:11:28.382
time out to , uh , be here and to , uh ,

01:11:28.382 --> 01:11:30.493
hopefully give you something to think

01:11:30.493 --> 01:11:32.160
about . Thank you very much .

01:11:36.770 --> 01:11:38.881
I appreciate you being here today and

01:11:38.881 --> 01:11:40.881
in your honor we're going to give a

01:11:40.881 --> 01:11:43.048
donation to Still Serving Veterans , a

01:11:43.048 --> 01:11:45.270
local organization . So thank you again

01:11:45.270 --> 01:11:47.437
and since I stand in the way of a good

01:11:47.437 --> 01:11:49.509
time with networking and drinks and

01:11:49.509 --> 01:11:51.620
food , I'm going to dismiss you now .

01:11:51.620 --> 01:11:53.620
We'll see you back here tomorrow at

01:11:53.620 --> 01:11:53.799
8:30 in the morning .