WEBVTT 00:15.079 --> 00:17.149 Hello everybody and welcome to this 00:17.149 --> 00:19.260 episode of the Tinker Talks podcast . 00:19.260 --> 00:21.371 This is your podcast that talks about 00:21.371 --> 00:23.482 all things happening behind the fence 00:23.482 --> 00:25.482 line at Tinker Air Force Base . I'm 00:25.482 --> 00:27.205 your host Mark Hibers from the 00:27.205 --> 00:29.149 seventy-second Air Base wing , and 00:29.149 --> 00:31.316 today we have a great guest , uh , one 00:31.316 --> 00:33.538 that we've had on before , not in video 00:33.538 --> 00:35.482 last time . We just did it in , in 00:35.482 --> 00:37.649 audio , but , uh . Excited to have him 00:37.649 --> 00:39.705 back and sadly also to say that it's 00:39.705 --> 00:42.639 it's an outgoing podcast uh we're with 00:42.639 --> 00:45.240 the Oklahoma City Air Logistics Complex 00:45.240 --> 00:47.599 commander Brigadier General Brian Moore 00:47.599 --> 00:49.655 and sir good morning good morning or 00:49.655 --> 00:51.877 good afternoon I guess we've we've just 00:51.877 --> 00:53.877 snuck over the line . So thanks for 00:53.877 --> 00:55.932 joining us , sir . Really happy that 00:55.932 --> 00:57.988 you got a chance to come back and uh 00:57.988 --> 01:00.043 we're sad to see you going but we'll 01:00.043 --> 01:02.155 we'll get into that a little bit more 01:02.155 --> 01:04.266 as we move along through awesome so . 01:04.266 --> 01:06.432 Um , we're we're gonna jump in because 01:06.432 --> 01:08.488 it's been a couple of years since we 01:08.488 --> 01:10.488 had sat down and and talked through 01:10.488 --> 01:12.488 things , but we're gonna go back to 01:12.488 --> 01:14.266 some of your priorities that we 01:14.266 --> 01:16.432 discussed the first time and of course 01:16.432 --> 01:18.655 you had a list of your priorities , but 01:18.655 --> 01:18.430 one of those priorities was talking 01:18.430 --> 01:21.239 about , uh , creating or standing up a 01:21.239 --> 01:23.720 digital depot . So if you could just 01:23.720 --> 01:25.942 kind of remind us of what digital depot 01:25.942 --> 01:28.279 means and where that's that's gone to 01:28.279 --> 01:31.675 this point . Thanks Mark . So first . I 01:31.675 --> 01:34.008 appreciate the opportunity to come back , 01:34.008 --> 01:36.231 uh , for , for multiple reasons in part 01:36.231 --> 01:38.397 because you know a lot has happened in 01:38.397 --> 01:41.175 2 years . I feel like it's gone so fast 01:41.504 --> 01:43.785 and yet so much has been achieved that 01:43.785 --> 01:45.745 it's it's appropriate to have a 01:45.745 --> 01:47.967 conversation with you and talk to folks 01:47.967 --> 01:50.135 about it and uh help them understand 01:50.135 --> 01:52.800 some of the implications which . Which 01:52.800 --> 01:56.569 is daily execution but it's 01:56.569 --> 01:58.889 also looking at the future of what it 01:58.889 --> 02:01.000 means for the organic industrial base 02:01.000 --> 02:04.370 so questions about priorities , you 02:04.370 --> 02:06.426 know , 2 years ago , at least in one 02:06.426 --> 02:08.970 case we talked about digital depot . I 02:08.970 --> 02:11.610 think , I think digital digitalization 02:11.610 --> 02:13.809 of the workforce and the digital depot 02:14.330 --> 02:16.179 along with manufacturing and 02:16.179 --> 02:18.179 specifically advanced manufacturing 02:18.179 --> 02:21.990 were two . Critical areas that had to 02:21.990 --> 02:24.789 be advanced and I'm pleased to say that 02:24.789 --> 02:26.900 the team has really embraced that and 02:26.900 --> 02:29.009 and they were embracing it when I 02:29.009 --> 02:32.199 arrived , but now we've put some real 02:32.199 --> 02:34.630 plans in place to further it and look 02:34.630 --> 02:36.797 towards the future and what that means 02:36.797 --> 02:38.574 for this depot digital depot in 02:38.574 --> 02:41.550 particular . Um , you know , gets more 02:41.550 --> 02:43.619 specific . We have initiatives like 02:43.910 --> 02:45.632 thinking about training in our 02:45.632 --> 02:48.380 workforce development , AR , VR , 02:48.389 --> 02:51.029 virtual reality training , AI for 02:51.029 --> 02:53.229 really understanding what needs to be 02:53.229 --> 02:55.340 trained to look into workloads in the 02:55.340 --> 02:57.869 future , you know , if you think about 02:57.869 --> 03:00.649 what that means and how people learn 03:00.649 --> 03:04.080 and train and develop . We have to 03:04.080 --> 03:05.913 transform the workforce , so I'm 03:05.913 --> 03:08.080 pleased to say that the the leadership 03:08.080 --> 03:10.302 team here has done a great job thinking 03:10.302 --> 03:12.413 through that problem set and bringing 03:12.413 --> 03:14.580 some initiatives in that have plans of 03:14.580 --> 03:16.413 action behind them , um , on the 03:16.413 --> 03:18.580 manufacturing side , which is really a 03:18.580 --> 03:20.247 form of digital think reverse 03:20.247 --> 03:22.880 engineering activities , um , and then 03:22.880 --> 03:24.713 how that translates to tech data 03:24.713 --> 03:28.119 packages and being able to then produce 03:28.119 --> 03:30.240 parts with the tech data that we 03:30.240 --> 03:32.809 created . Um , it's amazing what this 03:32.809 --> 03:34.865 team has done , not just to bring in 03:34.865 --> 03:36.976 capability and capacity , um , but to 03:36.976 --> 03:39.253 also bring in workload . Uh , you know , 03:39.253 --> 03:41.420 I think since I arrived here two years 03:41.420 --> 03:44.850 ago , it's been 10fold of increased 03:44.850 --> 03:47.210 workload . Um , we're just assessing 03:47.210 --> 03:50.009 the hours and literally 10 times the 03:50.009 --> 03:52.065 amount of workload since when we had 03:52.065 --> 03:54.287 this conversation previously , so those 03:54.287 --> 03:56.342 are two major kind of future looking 03:56.342 --> 04:00.080 things . On top of that , our daily 04:00.080 --> 04:02.191 business of producing the promise and 04:02.191 --> 04:04.570 meeting commitments to our war fighters 04:05.000 --> 04:07.222 has still , you know , keeping the main 04:07.222 --> 04:09.389 thing the main thing has still been at 04:09.389 --> 04:11.500 the top of our list , and I'm pleased 04:11.500 --> 04:13.722 to say , you know , where certain areas 04:13.722 --> 04:16.209 might have regressed a touch when I was 04:16.209 --> 04:18.869 here , uh , earlier , you know , we 04:18.869 --> 04:21.200 have no kidding , recovered in some 04:21.200 --> 04:24.000 areas exceeded in other areas . Um , 04:24.059 --> 04:26.115 we're working with the enterprise to 04:26.115 --> 04:28.739 really advance some of those tougher 04:28.739 --> 04:31.779 workloads both on the aircraft engines 04:31.779 --> 04:33.890 and the exchangeable side , and we've 04:33.890 --> 04:36.320 got good plans for execution , uh , on , 04:36.410 --> 04:38.688 on how to keep meeting our commitments . 04:38.688 --> 04:41.500 So this , this depot is fantastic in 04:41.500 --> 04:43.809 meeting its its requirements and , uh , 04:44.059 --> 04:46.281 they've been doing that every day since 04:46.281 --> 04:49.010 I arrived . It's a unique place here , 04:49.140 --> 04:51.380 this depot , and it's , it's hard to . 04:52.079 --> 04:54.190 Explain it it's hard to talk about it 04:54.190 --> 04:56.357 you know it's very , it's very old . I 04:56.357 --> 04:58.301 mean it's , it's kind of the whole 04:58.301 --> 05:00.880 reason that Tinker is here is kind of 05:00.880 --> 05:02.936 what started in this building , um , 05:03.200 --> 05:06.279 and of course the the work force is 05:06.279 --> 05:09.239 kind of creeping along in age so when 05:09.239 --> 05:11.489 you come in and you start talking about 05:11.489 --> 05:13.839 digital depot , you know that's 05:13.839 --> 05:16.670 probably a lot for for some people to 05:17.040 --> 05:19.890 grasp the concept and even I mean AI 05:19.890 --> 05:22.019 was kind of coming around but . You 05:22.019 --> 05:24.297 know when you started talking about it , 05:24.297 --> 05:26.408 sir , like that really wasn't what it 05:26.408 --> 05:28.352 is now like AI was not quite where 05:28.352 --> 05:30.980 we're at today , so very innovative and 05:30.980 --> 05:33.859 uh creative and and definitely good 05:33.859 --> 05:36.081 forward thinking by our leadership here 05:36.081 --> 05:38.829 to to be able to get the train of 05:38.829 --> 05:42.690 thought in and and get . People of like 05:42.690 --> 05:44.970 me that are you know sizzling along in 05:44.970 --> 05:47.081 age , right ? They're like we have to 05:47.081 --> 05:49.730 grasp that and and and embrace it and 05:49.730 --> 05:52.529 move on . So yeah , I just , just to 05:52.529 --> 05:54.640 expand a little bit I mean I think we 05:54.640 --> 05:56.751 need to recognize and I probably said 05:56.751 --> 05:58.696 at the first podcast , but in this 05:58.696 --> 06:01.730 depot our mission . Is combat ready air 06:01.730 --> 06:03.897 power to produce it for the warfighter 06:03.897 --> 06:06.119 and that includes the oldest old stuff 06:06.119 --> 06:08.209 as you kind of alluded to as well as 06:08.209 --> 06:10.376 the newest new right , bringing in the 06:10.376 --> 06:14.279 B-21 , the expanding the KC-46 campus , 06:14.369 --> 06:17.890 both of those platforms are completely 06:17.890 --> 06:21.410 digital platforms , you know , um , you 06:21.410 --> 06:24.519 know , we like to say if if the KC-135 06:24.850 --> 06:27.160 has , you know , 100,000 lines of code 06:27.160 --> 06:29.910 in it . You know , the KC 46 has 06:29.910 --> 06:32.230 millions of lines of code in it , and 06:32.230 --> 06:34.869 we're talking digital maintenance in 06:34.869 --> 06:37.190 that regard , right ? So you kind of 06:37.190 --> 06:39.412 gotta have the , uh , the ability , the 06:39.412 --> 06:41.634 capability to do the oldest old and the 06:41.634 --> 06:43.857 newest new , right ? It's wild to think 06:43.857 --> 06:45.968 about . I mean it's just hard to wrap 06:45.968 --> 06:47.912 your brain around so over the last 06:47.912 --> 06:49.912 couple of years you've had a lot of 06:49.912 --> 06:52.690 successes . Running this group in this 06:52.700 --> 06:54.922 this very large command , can you think 06:54.922 --> 06:56.978 of one that stands out that might be 06:56.978 --> 07:00.260 your biggest or your best ? So I'm so 07:00.260 --> 07:03.859 what kept me up at night was in some 07:03.859 --> 07:07.809 ways the , you know , we are 07:07.809 --> 07:10.359 the strategic center of excellence for 07:10.359 --> 07:14.040 propulsion , uh , this complex is 07:14.380 --> 07:16.589 and uh . You know what kept me up at 07:16.589 --> 07:18.989 night was making sure we're being able 07:18.989 --> 07:21.510 to execute on the propulsion and , you 07:21.510 --> 07:23.677 know , probably kept me up at night on 07:23.677 --> 07:25.950 aircraft too , but , but that has been 07:25.950 --> 07:28.006 consistent and standard over time as 07:28.006 --> 07:29.728 has exchangeable commodities , 07:29.728 --> 07:31.950 different commodity lines , but engines 07:31.950 --> 07:35.339 is , is such a strategic , uh , work , 07:35.350 --> 07:39.029 work at , um , high technology , you 07:39.029 --> 07:42.010 know , very costly . And 07:42.019 --> 07:45.220 every weapon system and and 07:45.220 --> 07:47.299 mission across the Air Force are 07:47.299 --> 07:49.243 dependent on our on our ability to 07:49.243 --> 07:51.450 produce thrust , right ? And so on our 07:51.450 --> 07:55.220 16 engine lines , um , what concerned 07:55.220 --> 07:57.164 me the most was progressing them , 07:57.164 --> 07:59.387 meeting the commitments and thinking to 07:59.387 --> 08:02.250 the future , probably the , the one of 08:02.250 --> 08:04.306 the great , there's a bunch of great 08:04.306 --> 08:06.306 achievements , but one of the great 08:06.306 --> 08:08.472 achievements is the way the enterprise 08:08.472 --> 08:10.639 has really come together over the last 08:10.639 --> 08:12.750 two years . To think about the future 08:12.750 --> 08:15.730 of organic propulsion and I'm just 08:15.730 --> 08:17.897 proud to say working with Mr . Snedden 08:17.897 --> 08:20.720 and the LP team . That we are thinking 08:20.730 --> 08:24.290 about and and planning for strategic 08:24.290 --> 08:26.410 propulsion workloads in the future we 08:26.410 --> 08:28.920 were already working F-135 engines . 08:29.250 --> 08:31.609 We're planning for the future on that 08:31.609 --> 08:33.729 uh collectively with our industry 08:33.729 --> 08:35.840 partners Pratt Whitney in that case , 08:35.929 --> 08:37.880 um , but we're also thinking about 08:38.369 --> 08:41.080 bringing in , you know , T108 workload 08:41.080 --> 08:45.039 and , you know , whatever future engine , 08:45.409 --> 08:47.576 uh , propulsion requirements look like 08:47.576 --> 08:50.750 we're working that . Um , the KC 46 08:50.750 --> 08:54.210 F-139 potential just a whole lot of 08:54.210 --> 08:56.710 future planning activities that are 08:56.710 --> 08:59.429 really coming together and , um , those 08:59.429 --> 09:01.540 were unknowns the last time you and I 09:01.540 --> 09:03.669 had this conversation and so probably 09:03.669 --> 09:05.840 one of the , the greater achievements 09:05.840 --> 09:08.429 is that those planning efforts you know 09:08.429 --> 09:10.590 across the enterprise across with the 09:10.590 --> 09:13.409 defense industrial base are really . Uh , 09:13.469 --> 09:15.358 coming together still significant 09:15.358 --> 09:17.525 constraints , you know , I mean , like 09:17.525 --> 09:19.525 I said , materiality , technology , 09:19.830 --> 09:22.469 engines are tough , but I , I think if , 09:22.510 --> 09:24.788 if we keep the focus on it like we are , 09:24.989 --> 09:27.100 um , we're gonna be in a good place , 09:27.100 --> 09:29.211 and that includes the test cells that 09:29.211 --> 09:31.520 go with it in this case . We're looking 09:31.520 --> 09:33.353 at agile common engine test cell 09:33.353 --> 09:36.479 capability that that spreads engine 09:36.479 --> 09:40.229 test across the continuum of engines in 09:40.369 --> 09:42.559 in in this depot so really excited 09:42.559 --> 09:44.781 about that plenty of other achievements 09:44.781 --> 09:46.892 to talk about , but that's one that's 09:46.892 --> 09:48.892 uh so strategic in nature . We'd be 09:48.892 --> 09:51.003 here for a couple of days probably if 09:51.003 --> 09:53.170 we talked about all the achievements . 09:53.170 --> 09:55.281 It's a good group over here , but you 09:55.281 --> 09:57.392 bring up an interesting point that we 09:57.392 --> 09:59.281 didn't , we didn't really plan to 09:59.281 --> 10:01.281 discuss , but it's , it's the . The 10:01.281 --> 10:03.226 future workload , I think a lot of 10:03.226 --> 10:05.448 people I don't think ever write or they 10:05.448 --> 10:08.460 really quite realize that there's like 10:08.460 --> 10:10.989 a team under you that is consistently 10:10.989 --> 10:14.349 looking for what are we working on 510 10:14.349 --> 10:16.460 years from now , you know , as this . 10:16.919 --> 10:19.141 Maybe this platform starts to phase out 10:19.141 --> 10:21.308 like how are we going to keep bringing 10:21.308 --> 10:23.640 this and I think that's that's huge 10:23.640 --> 10:27.400 yeah so under our OB team , uh , Marcus 10:27.400 --> 10:30.080 Torga and then Jimmy James in our 10:30.080 --> 10:32.719 planning OBP planning , they've done 10:32.719 --> 10:34.775 some incredible work to really think 10:34.775 --> 10:36.719 about the future and it's not just 10:36.719 --> 10:38.719 thinking about it there's , there's 10:38.719 --> 10:40.886 distinct planning activities that have 10:40.886 --> 10:43.108 to take place to activate workloads and 10:43.108 --> 10:45.441 they're doing all that integration . Um , 10:45.441 --> 10:47.441 and set up and so they've , they've 10:47.441 --> 10:47.219 really done a great job , particularly 10:47.219 --> 10:49.441 on the propulsion front , but I mean on 10:49.441 --> 10:51.386 the commodities front too . I mean 10:51.386 --> 10:53.552 think of all the commodities that have 10:53.552 --> 10:55.552 to be stood up for new , new weapon 10:55.552 --> 10:57.497 systems like the AC 46 . They're , 10:57.497 --> 10:59.552 they're doing some really incredible 10:59.552 --> 11:01.775 work , uh , to activate these workloads 11:01.775 --> 11:04.108 and keep us sustainable . Wow , and you , 11:04.108 --> 11:06.441 your AOP is working well over there too . 11:06.441 --> 11:08.663 I know when we bring honorary commander 11:08.663 --> 11:10.886 groups through . And uh the KC 46 folks 11:10.886 --> 11:13.270 are are running down their AOP stuff 11:13.270 --> 11:15.630 and where they've come and getting the 11:15.630 --> 11:18.669 now the test flight out , uh 10 flights 11:18.669 --> 11:20.830 test squadron up to speed to start 11:20.830 --> 11:23.229 flying check rides and so that's 11:23.229 --> 11:25.750 interesting . AOP being our uh our 11:25.750 --> 11:27.917 production culture art of the possible 11:27.917 --> 11:30.139 theory of constraints for those who who 11:30.139 --> 11:32.306 aren't as familiar with it . Uh , what 11:32.306 --> 11:34.710 I'll tell you about that is under 11:34.710 --> 11:37.770 Colonel Jeff Anderson . Um , Mr . Steve 11:37.770 --> 11:40.770 Stoner and Mr . Mike Hostetter , they 11:40.770 --> 11:42.714 really have the , the fundamentals 11:42.714 --> 11:45.729 remain the same , but in the vein of 11:45.729 --> 11:48.729 digitalization they've overhauled the 11:48.729 --> 11:51.489 AOP too that to smooth out that 11:51.489 --> 11:53.789 integration across stakeholders and to 11:53.789 --> 11:56.559 your point , the KC 46 is , is , uh , 11:56.570 --> 11:59.809 indicative success from that overhaul . 12:00.159 --> 12:02.381 You know , the team working together to 12:02.381 --> 12:04.548 bust constraints , particularly in K46 12:04.548 --> 12:06.381 as as new breaks happen on a new 12:06.381 --> 12:09.500 aircraft , um , AOP is kicking in , uh , 12:09.549 --> 12:11.660 like you suggested , yeah , all those 12:11.660 --> 12:13.771 unknowns and for people like me , you 12:13.771 --> 12:15.882 know , the civilians that get to stay 12:15.882 --> 12:18.229 here and , and stick with our mission 12:18.229 --> 12:20.562 sets here unlike , like you , sir , who , 12:20.590 --> 12:23.030 you know , you have a set time limit 12:23.030 --> 12:26.770 like . I get to watch , I get to 12:26.770 --> 12:28.992 watch all these things kind of play out 12:29.169 --> 12:31.969 over time and and see like you know the 12:31.969 --> 12:35.179 stuff that pops up that nobody expected 12:35.179 --> 12:38.130 or never foresaw coming and then the 12:38.130 --> 12:40.297 work that you're doing with your teams 12:40.297 --> 12:43.080 in in areas like an AOP for instance , 12:43.469 --> 12:47.000 uh , to have them creatively quickly 12:47.289 --> 12:49.400 get to solving those problems , um , 12:49.450 --> 12:51.506 yeah , I've I've really been pleased 12:51.506 --> 12:54.840 with how the team . Has responded to , 12:54.849 --> 12:57.080 you know , my thinking and , and I 12:57.080 --> 12:59.520 don't think it's too uncommon but in 12:59.520 --> 13:01.298 sometimes we get heads down and 13:01.298 --> 13:03.409 producing right and and we can really 13:03.409 --> 13:05.830 be focused on this year's execution . 13:06.239 --> 13:09.080 I've pressed the team to think , you 13:09.080 --> 13:12.059 know , short term , midterm , long term , 13:12.479 --> 13:15.080 all the way out to 2050 , you know , 25 13:15.080 --> 13:17.280 years from now , you know , with how 13:17.280 --> 13:19.559 budget cycles work and and our funding 13:19.559 --> 13:21.726 activities and all those , it's hard . 13:21.726 --> 13:24.280 To to think out that far , but you have 13:24.280 --> 13:27.239 to . To make sure we're planning for 13:27.239 --> 13:30.349 the future and we will be relevant uh 13:30.349 --> 13:32.619 for the future in that regard so we're 13:32.619 --> 13:35.239 looking at ALC 2050 type vision 13:35.239 --> 13:38.429 activity and then making it executable , 13:38.719 --> 13:40.775 you know , in the short term and the 13:40.775 --> 13:42.830 midterm to focus on that . I'll give 13:42.830 --> 13:44.775 you one example . We have to think 13:44.775 --> 13:47.400 about manufacturing right now , you 13:47.400 --> 13:49.622 know , when I got here we were probably 13:49.622 --> 13:53.405 99.9% maintenance repair overhaul . Uh , 13:53.684 --> 13:55.851 based on what we said on manufacturing 13:55.851 --> 13:58.073 a second ago , I mean , I would venture 13:58.073 --> 14:00.434 to guess we're getting closer to 1% , 14:00.804 --> 14:02.971 which is not insignificant when you're 14:02.971 --> 14:05.304 talking about 7.3 million hours worth 14:05.304 --> 14:08.325 of work , right ? Where we need to be 14:08.325 --> 14:11.484 25 years from now is about 25% 14:11.484 --> 14:13.804 manufacturing . So I challenged the 14:13.804 --> 14:16.125 team to bring in 1% a year for the next 14:16.125 --> 14:19.315 25 years , focusing on manufacturing , 14:19.364 --> 14:22.059 digital material management . Is the 14:22.059 --> 14:24.219 grease that will revolutionize the 14:24.219 --> 14:27.859 process is to get to that 25% that 14:27.859 --> 14:29.692 keeps us relevant and viable and 14:29.692 --> 14:32.299 ultimately producing sustainment for 14:32.299 --> 14:34.355 the war fighter . That's really wild 14:34.355 --> 14:36.577 because it kind of goes like that takes 14:36.577 --> 14:40.130 us all the way back to . Day one almost 14:40.130 --> 14:42.619 in this building like that's just not 14:42.619 --> 14:44.563 something that we've been thinking 14:44.563 --> 14:46.508 about for a very long time and and 14:46.508 --> 14:48.675 before we move on I , I think and then 14:48.675 --> 14:50.841 you probably downplay this , sir , but 14:50.841 --> 14:52.786 I think that says a lot of quality 14:52.786 --> 14:54.952 about your leadership that you know it 14:54.952 --> 14:56.786 it wasn't 2 years let's focus on 14:56.786 --> 14:59.008 whatever we can bang out in my 2 year . 14:59.119 --> 15:01.940 And then hit the door like you to think 15:02.250 --> 15:04.880 25 years down the road and and be 15:04.880 --> 15:08.469 preparing your team for that as well so 15:08.469 --> 15:12.059 you mentioned those 30+ year civilian 15:12.059 --> 15:15.500 airmen um the only way we can do that 15:15.869 --> 15:18.147 is because of their expertise . I mean , 15:18.147 --> 15:20.369 you know , they've been here 30 years , 15:20.369 --> 15:22.719 so they , they remember back then 15:22.719 --> 15:24.775 thinking forward and what that looks 15:24.775 --> 15:26.663 like . I mean their experience is 15:26.663 --> 15:28.799 incredible . Um , you're , you're 15:28.799 --> 15:30.799 absolutely right , you know , as we 15:30.799 --> 15:32.966 move through our military careers , we 15:32.966 --> 15:35.469 get 2 and 3 year snapshots of different 15:35.469 --> 15:37.599 organizations and we get this kind of 15:37.599 --> 15:40.039 broad picture , but we don't see 15:40.039 --> 15:41.817 maintenance repair overhaul and 15:41.817 --> 15:45.479 manufacturing in a real detailed 15:45.479 --> 15:48.419 way . Um , but , but these , uh , 15:48.429 --> 15:51.570 senior civilian leaders , uh , in , in 15:51.570 --> 15:54.539 the complex , Mr . Laughlin , uh , and 15:54.539 --> 15:57.460 Mr . Astorga and Ms . Jones and others 15:57.460 --> 16:00.219 in combination with the groups in AMXG , 16:00.239 --> 16:02.461 PMXG , so our engineers , Mr . Barlow , 16:02.500 --> 16:05.609 Mr . Stallman , um , they can see . 16:06.530 --> 16:08.641 You know what this means and then for 16:08.641 --> 16:11.890 each of the specific groups they they 16:11.890 --> 16:14.119 see it from their lens , so Mr . 16:14.130 --> 16:16.710 Kaufman in CMXG , Mr . Victorian and 16:16.710 --> 16:19.979 PMXG . Um , and then I always , we 16:19.979 --> 16:21.923 cannot forget with the maintenance 16:21.923 --> 16:24.035 support group under Mr . Gill because 16:24.035 --> 16:25.923 they're kind of the thread that's 16:25.923 --> 16:27.646 keeping it all together from a 16:27.646 --> 16:29.812 facilities infrastructure , you know , 16:29.812 --> 16:31.923 uh , labs , uh , and different , uh , 16:32.059 --> 16:34.250 you know , Metcal type activities , so 16:34.780 --> 16:37.002 huge impact they can see the future and 16:37.002 --> 16:39.169 they , you know , they could put plans 16:39.169 --> 16:41.719 in place as long as the vision . Uh , 16:41.770 --> 16:44.049 is correct and then collectively as a 16:44.049 --> 16:47.250 team aligning and realigning uh to keep 16:47.250 --> 16:49.361 us focused and moving forward , would 16:49.361 --> 16:52.090 you say with , with such a huge 16:52.090 --> 16:54.969 civilian population here under your 16:54.969 --> 16:57.849 leadership which is also unique to this 16:57.849 --> 17:01.010 place , uh , the ALC . Are those people 17:01.010 --> 17:02.954 and the things you're just talking 17:02.954 --> 17:05.121 about kind of the driving force on how 17:05.121 --> 17:08.000 you keep that civilian workforce 17:08.829 --> 17:11.849 focused on mission and their ability to 17:11.849 --> 17:13.960 produce the promise as our three star 17:14.250 --> 17:17.020 likes to say ? Well , so interesting , 17:17.089 --> 17:19.609 yes , they absolutely keep focus , but . 17:20.010 --> 17:22.930 This is a layered approach . Um , I'm 17:22.930 --> 17:25.041 sure at some point you were gonna ask 17:25.041 --> 17:26.763 me a question about first line 17:26.763 --> 17:28.930 supervisors , uh , but I'll preempt it 17:28.930 --> 17:30.874 maybe a little bit because we have 17:30.874 --> 17:33.250 focused on that and how do we keep the 17:33.250 --> 17:35.520 national treasure of this workforce , 17:36.010 --> 17:38.609 you know , uh , equipped , 17:39.410 --> 17:43.329 trained with the time and the tools 17:43.329 --> 17:45.449 and the tech data . It's in layers . 17:45.489 --> 17:47.656 It's in leadership layers . First line 17:47.656 --> 17:51.160 supervisors are directly helping their 17:51.160 --> 17:54.290 people be successful to produce , but 17:54.290 --> 17:56.439 then we have 2 , 3rd , you know , 17:56.609 --> 18:00.199 senior level leaders helping take care 18:00.199 --> 18:02.530 of the , the vision to the environment , 18:02.689 --> 18:05.489 to the policy , to the tools to the 18:05.489 --> 18:08.209 actual execution . You know whether 18:08.209 --> 18:10.290 it's scheduling planning , there's a 18:10.290 --> 18:12.457 whole lot of layered activity here and 18:12.457 --> 18:14.790 it so we like to say it takes a village , 18:14.790 --> 18:16.623 right ? I mean there is a lot of 18:16.623 --> 18:19.369 responsibility distributed and uh these 18:19.369 --> 18:21.770 folks know what they're doing it does 18:21.770 --> 18:24.079 keep I think alignment is really , 18:24.109 --> 18:26.331 really important and our senior leaders 18:26.331 --> 18:28.609 do a great job , um , but I think we've 18:28.609 --> 18:31.010 made some significant headway in . 18:31.939 --> 18:33.939 Gaining alignment over the last two 18:33.939 --> 18:36.161 years , right , and that's , that could 18:36.161 --> 18:38.106 be difficult . It's a , it's not a 18:38.106 --> 18:40.272 small organization . So when you first 18:40.272 --> 18:43.180 came here , did you have when , when 18:43.180 --> 18:45.699 you took maybe the 1st 30 , 60 days or 18:45.699 --> 18:47.755 maybe even before you got here . Did 18:47.755 --> 18:49.921 you have a set of goals that you tried 18:49.921 --> 18:52.290 to line out for yourself and and how 18:52.290 --> 18:54.401 did they work out over time ? Did you 18:54.401 --> 18:56.734 have to shift ? Did you meet your goals ? 18:56.734 --> 18:59.569 So yes , I definitely had , I would say 18:59.569 --> 19:02.089 priorities maybe and then the team 19:02.089 --> 19:04.890 based on those priorities helped kind 19:04.890 --> 19:07.650 of fill in the goals um there was a 19:07.650 --> 19:10.369 couple things that I knew we had to do , 19:10.609 --> 19:13.130 uh , one of which was bringing digital 19:13.130 --> 19:15.074 depot , another which was advanced 19:15.074 --> 19:18.959 manufacturing . But in addition to that , 19:19.250 --> 19:21.139 and I started working in this not 19:21.139 --> 19:23.250 knowing exactly how it was gonna go , 19:23.849 --> 19:25.793 we needed to think about posturing 19:25.793 --> 19:28.770 repair forward . So over the last 20 19:28.770 --> 19:31.369 years we have centralized repair to the 19:31.369 --> 19:34.209 depots , right ? Um , if you remember 19:34.209 --> 19:36.510 back in 1995 there was base reduction 19:36.510 --> 19:38.732 and closures , we went from 5 depots to 19:38.732 --> 19:41.489 3 that was even further consolidation 19:41.489 --> 19:43.660 and centralization . Well , based on 19:43.660 --> 19:45.938 the threat environment out there today , 19:46.380 --> 19:48.491 we need to think about how we posture 19:48.491 --> 19:51.900 repair more at the point of need and 19:51.900 --> 19:54.729 closing the gap between mission 19:54.729 --> 19:56.859 generation and our maintenance repair 19:56.859 --> 19:59.459 overhaul activities and so working with 19:59.459 --> 20:01.489 Colonel Jay Martin who's my 20:01.489 --> 20:04.859 mobilization assistant , um . We've 20:04.859 --> 20:08.099 come up with a concept under General 20:08.099 --> 20:11.900 Hawkins's genus concept . His is so 20:11.900 --> 20:13.939 Genus stands for Global Enterprise 20:13.939 --> 20:17.130 Network for universal sustainment . 20:17.609 --> 20:20.900 Think sustainment activities forward in 20:20.900 --> 20:23.660 partnership with allies , partners , 20:24.099 --> 20:26.739 industry partners , as well as our own 20:26.739 --> 20:29.060 organic repair capability forward 20:29.060 --> 20:31.890 posturing for the next fight , right ? 20:32.390 --> 20:35.000 Um , within that , uh , Colonel Martin 20:35.000 --> 20:37.609 and I came up with a concept called 20:37.609 --> 20:40.920 Genus Falcon . Falcon is an acronym For 20:40.920 --> 20:44.660 ALC Operational node , um , and 20:44.660 --> 20:48.030 it essentially embeds depot artisans 20:48.479 --> 20:52.280 with operational units , um , and 20:52.280 --> 20:56.209 why do this ? Because one . We 20:56.209 --> 20:59.729 need to get faster with discipline on 20:59.729 --> 21:02.130 repairing so the war fighter can 21:02.130 --> 21:05.280 produce to mission requirement . So 21:05.650 --> 21:09.599 2 , we need to maintain the 21:09.849 --> 21:12.290 efficiency and effectiveness within the 21:12.290 --> 21:14.599 depot apparatus to continue to be 21:14.599 --> 21:18.010 successful here while we posture 21:18.010 --> 21:21.489 forward to help mission generation . Um , 21:21.500 --> 21:23.278 in this concept , we take depot 21:23.278 --> 21:25.729 artisans who are still tied to our 21:25.729 --> 21:28.530 business processes , our production 21:28.530 --> 21:31.189 processes , our quality , safety 21:31.569 --> 21:35.310 training . And we forward posture them 21:35.689 --> 21:39.469 um right now it's it's KOus um 21:39.469 --> 21:42.010 and we're looking at uh a few other 21:42.010 --> 21:44.369 areas like uh Joint Base Elmendorf 21:44.369 --> 21:48.119 Richardson , um maybe Hickam , some 21:48.119 --> 21:50.609 areas , uh , potentially overseas , but 21:50.609 --> 21:52.776 we haven't started those yet and we're 21:52.776 --> 21:54.890 actually performing depot maintenance 21:54.890 --> 21:58.250 depot level maintenance in operational 21:58.250 --> 22:01.550 units . Um , this is a big deal . Uh , 22:01.589 --> 22:04.510 we've actually , uh , produced in , in 22:04.510 --> 22:07.829 DIA on B1 avionics . We've produced on 22:07.829 --> 22:11.069 KC-135s , uh , at Fairchild we've 22:11.069 --> 22:14.579 produced , uh , overseas at Cadena , um , 22:14.670 --> 22:16.630 and we've produced some engines at 22:16.630 --> 22:19.790 Seymour Johnson , um , and , uh , it's 22:19.790 --> 22:22.189 really , uh , it's a big deal because 22:22.189 --> 22:24.790 we're putting LRUs back in the hands of 22:24.790 --> 22:27.469 flight lines . We're remaining 22:27.469 --> 22:29.819 financially solvent . And in addition 22:29.819 --> 22:32.859 to that we're training blue suit airmen 22:32.859 --> 22:36.219 on on certain higher level system 22:36.219 --> 22:38.441 knowledge while we're able to produce , 22:38.441 --> 22:40.739 so it's really a great partnership with 22:40.739 --> 22:42.906 these operational units and I think it 22:42.906 --> 22:45.459 it focuses our readiness and repair at 22:45.459 --> 22:47.900 the right places as we develop this 22:47.900 --> 22:49.844 program out . It's actually really 22:49.844 --> 22:52.011 exciting , uh , trying to , I'm trying 22:52.011 --> 22:54.500 to not be too giddy about it because I 22:54.500 --> 22:56.670 mean I really think that . This is 22:56.670 --> 22:59.270 really neat stuff and because for the 22:59.270 --> 23:01.103 last few years we've been really 23:01.103 --> 23:03.349 talking about mission capable airmen 23:03.670 --> 23:06.790 and the agility of of our young young 23:06.790 --> 23:09.790 force and how we're going to maneuver 23:09.790 --> 23:11.709 them out and and make sure that 23:11.709 --> 23:13.820 decision making is happening at lower 23:13.820 --> 23:17.670 levels but I mean I don't think that 23:17.670 --> 23:19.790 certainly not in our area we hadn't 23:19.790 --> 23:22.579 been thinking about this sort of thing 23:22.579 --> 23:25.310 like taking civilians or or . You know 23:25.310 --> 23:28.270 these types of civilian and and and 23:28.270 --> 23:30.159 doing the same sort of thing like 23:30.159 --> 23:32.326 teaching them how to be more agile and 23:32.326 --> 23:34.589 and capable and and sending them out 23:34.589 --> 23:37.180 but yeah just to be clear you know 23:37.180 --> 23:39.670 because I you know you know folks will 23:39.670 --> 23:42.959 think um . We're putting civilian 23:42.959 --> 23:45.430 airmen in harm's way and that is not 23:45.430 --> 23:47.880 the case . These are , these are 23:47.880 --> 23:51.640 scheduled largely scheduled depot 23:51.640 --> 23:54.839 level activities that are that fall in 23:54.839 --> 23:57.709 on already established bases out there 23:58.280 --> 24:01.280 to help expedite those repairs but when 24:01.280 --> 24:03.400 you take a depot level artisan who's 24:03.400 --> 24:07.010 been working that workload . For 1520 24:07.010 --> 24:10.449 25 years and you put them side by 24:10.449 --> 24:13.510 side by a brand new airman maybe 24:13.510 --> 24:16.530 straight out of high school um you're 24:16.530 --> 24:19.270 able to transfer knowledge that's 24:19.270 --> 24:21.381 really been centralized over the last 24:21.381 --> 24:23.381 20 years we're able to transfer not 24:23.381 --> 24:25.437 just repair capability but knowledge 24:25.437 --> 24:27.650 back to folks in the field and uh I 24:27.650 --> 24:29.761 think it's just huge . I think it's a 24:29.761 --> 24:32.959 force multiplier . Um , already gaining 24:32.959 --> 24:35.439 big traction , I , I think , uh , I 24:35.439 --> 24:37.661 think it's gonna be a big win , right , 24:37.661 --> 24:39.606 for sure , and , and thank you for 24:39.606 --> 24:41.661 clarifying that yes , when nobody is 24:41.661 --> 24:43.717 going out into the , to the field of 24:43.717 --> 24:45.839 fire out there , but , but still so 24:45.839 --> 24:48.479 exciting because it's just not like it , 24:48.520 --> 24:51.239 it kind of falls into that that agility 24:51.239 --> 24:53.183 and stuff , but yeah , nobody's in 24:53.183 --> 24:55.400 harm's way , um , so you have worked 24:55.400 --> 24:58.069 with great leaders in your time you've 24:58.069 --> 25:00.390 you've named a bunch of them . Um , 25:00.589 --> 25:02.750 have you been able to take away any 25:02.750 --> 25:05.250 valuable leadership lessons from all 25:05.250 --> 25:07.306 the great leaders that you've worked 25:07.306 --> 25:10.670 with here ? So probably the , the 25:10.670 --> 25:14.109 greatest , um , surprise and 25:14.109 --> 25:17.640 lesson from these senior leaders is 25:17.640 --> 25:20.310 that we all have our , I'll say 25:20.310 --> 25:22.750 strengths and weaknesses , right ? But 25:22.750 --> 25:24.939 what's great about our institution is 25:24.939 --> 25:27.869 we bring them all together for biggest 25:27.869 --> 25:30.550 effect , um . You know , I'll just give 25:30.550 --> 25:32.439 you a couple examples . There's , 25:32.439 --> 25:34.650 there's folks that grow up in the 25:34.650 --> 25:36.869 financial elements of our business and 25:36.869 --> 25:39.510 they know how to run the business 25:39.510 --> 25:42.310 wheels of this massive institution . 25:42.729 --> 25:44.951 There's other folks that grow up on the 25:44.951 --> 25:47.680 production side and they know they've 25:47.680 --> 25:51.150 mastered flow and scripting 25:51.319 --> 25:54.060 and parts of portability implications 25:54.439 --> 25:56.680 they know how to produce , right ? And 25:56.680 --> 25:59.280 there's engineers that we have there's 25:59.280 --> 26:01.760 support activities there's there's so 26:01.760 --> 26:04.040 many different things and as they grow 26:04.040 --> 26:07.160 up in these different areas we have to 26:07.160 --> 26:09.479 bring them together to really 26:09.479 --> 26:11.646 capitalize on the collective wisdom of 26:11.646 --> 26:14.010 all of them . Because uh you know I 26:14.010 --> 26:16.609 remember our 4 star used to say one of 26:16.609 --> 26:19.410 us is is not as good as all of us and 26:19.410 --> 26:21.810 that is absolutely true here in the 26:21.810 --> 26:25.010 depots so my big takeaway is , you know , 26:25.209 --> 26:27.010 bring them together and it's a 26:27.010 --> 26:29.177 compounding effect for effectiveness , 26:29.177 --> 26:30.954 you know , and . It's really an 26:30.954 --> 26:33.010 incredible group of of people . It's 26:33.010 --> 26:34.899 been for me it's just been so eye 26:34.899 --> 26:37.719 opening to see what they can produce 26:37.719 --> 26:40.660 together uh as they as they capitalize 26:40.660 --> 26:42.382 on each other's experience and 26:42.382 --> 26:45.189 expertise . Uh , it's just fascinating , 26:45.400 --> 26:47.511 awesome good lessons for the future . 26:47.699 --> 26:50.079 And so now that you've been here and 26:50.079 --> 26:52.500 you you're starting to wind down this , 26:52.560 --> 26:54.671 this part of your tour , uh , and not 26:54.671 --> 26:56.838 your first time at Tinker , but , uh , 26:56.838 --> 26:59.060 but in the command and and leading . Is 26:59.060 --> 27:01.739 there anything about this position in 27:01.739 --> 27:03.850 your last couple of years here that's 27:03.850 --> 27:07.290 that's surprised you at all or what 27:07.290 --> 27:09.234 surprised you the most , I guess I 27:09.234 --> 27:11.939 could say uh I so I'll kind of contrast 27:11.939 --> 27:15.250 the strength with the weakness , um , 27:15.260 --> 27:18.689 and the weakness is that we are 27:19.060 --> 27:21.420 such a complex enterprise of 27:21.420 --> 27:24.140 sustainment that sometimes it can be 27:24.140 --> 27:27.569 surprising how difficult it can be . To 27:27.569 --> 27:30.949 move the enterprise forward on meeting 27:30.949 --> 27:33.310 all the eco the commitments that we 27:33.310 --> 27:36.819 need to , um , so surprising in a good 27:36.819 --> 27:39.310 way , you know , we , we kind of looked 27:39.310 --> 27:41.500 at how that integration was happening 27:41.500 --> 27:43.750 and , and if you remember I came here 27:43.750 --> 27:46.028 with a focus on integration , you know , 27:46.028 --> 27:48.250 General Richardson , our four star boss 27:48.250 --> 27:50.194 made it clear that that we have to 27:50.194 --> 27:52.829 integrate not not just across the 27:52.829 --> 27:54.869 centers within Air Force Material 27:54.869 --> 27:57.036 command but within ourselves , right ? 27:57.079 --> 27:59.023 And I really think that that's the 27:59.023 --> 28:01.790 critical , um , critical need , 28:02.680 --> 28:05.760 maybe the , the weakness that had to be 28:05.760 --> 28:08.839 really aligned and focused and so I 28:08.839 --> 28:11.359 think it was surprising uh to 28:11.359 --> 28:14.560 understand . How much of that we need , 28:14.949 --> 28:17.229 um , I'm pleased to say that you know 28:17.229 --> 28:19.709 through our processes we've shored some 28:19.709 --> 28:22.430 things up , uh , in our aircraft 28:22.430 --> 28:24.597 missile reviews it's it's a standard , 28:24.739 --> 28:27.510 uh , acronym , um , under product 28:27.510 --> 28:29.989 support the Air Force is moving that 28:29.989 --> 28:33.109 way , but we need to keep uh keep 28:33.109 --> 28:35.089 moving it forward because it's 28:35.089 --> 28:37.969 absolutely critical to make sure . Our 28:37.969 --> 28:41.569 supply chain and our engineers and our 28:41.569 --> 28:45.000 maintainers and our program managers 28:45.000 --> 28:48.300 along with the operational mad coms are 28:48.300 --> 28:51.859 in sync moving together understanding 28:51.859 --> 28:55.020 each other's challenges and moving that 28:55.020 --> 28:57.729 forward for most aircraft availability 28:58.099 --> 29:01.560 that we can you know squeeze . To meet 29:01.560 --> 29:03.782 war fighters' requirements , that's not 29:03.782 --> 29:06.550 an easy task , um , but the processes 29:06.550 --> 29:08.959 exist . We just got to stay focused on 29:08.959 --> 29:12.640 it and so surprising in a difficult way 29:12.640 --> 29:14.959 but also where we've come in it to kind 29:14.959 --> 29:17.479 of reinvigorate it , you know , kind of 29:17.479 --> 29:19.829 a back to basics and product support 29:19.829 --> 29:22.310 and uh I'm pleased to say we're getting 29:22.310 --> 29:24.477 aligned and focused in that area too . 29:24.477 --> 29:27.400 Love that and you know it's such a . An 29:27.400 --> 29:30.119 interesting perspective from back here 29:30.119 --> 29:33.400 in in in the support role in everything 29:33.400 --> 29:36.849 we do here because the war fighter 29:36.849 --> 29:38.905 really probably never takes a moment 29:38.905 --> 29:41.109 out of their day to think back into 29:41.109 --> 29:44.099 everything that you just said in a 32nd 29:44.099 --> 29:47.109 sound bite about what it takes . To do 29:47.109 --> 29:50.550 all this is just it's baffling but cool 29:50.550 --> 29:53.430 for us you know cool for them because 29:53.430 --> 29:55.750 their stuff works and they get it for 29:55.750 --> 29:57.869 because of your team but yeah and you 29:57.869 --> 29:59.925 know kind of cross checking that the 29:59.925 --> 30:01.758 whole time on what their mission 30:01.758 --> 30:03.980 requirements are to include operational 30:03.980 --> 30:06.036 as well as training . I mean they've 30:06.036 --> 30:08.258 got to fly to train to be able to fight 30:08.310 --> 30:10.579 and so we as a collective enterprise 30:10.579 --> 30:13.030 have to produce and sustain to meet 30:13.030 --> 30:15.650 that that requirement and . There's a 30:15.650 --> 30:17.539 lot there that that has to remain 30:17.539 --> 30:19.539 aligned and moving forward together 30:19.539 --> 30:21.761 awesome stuff . So with that , sir , is 30:21.761 --> 30:23.817 there , is there anything that you'd 30:23.817 --> 30:26.290 like to say to your to your team as as 30:26.290 --> 30:28.234 you get ready to depart ? Yeah , I 30:28.234 --> 30:31.689 would just say thanks for serving this 30:31.689 --> 30:33.745 great institution , and I , and I do 30:33.745 --> 30:36.079 mean the Air Force institution , but I 30:36.079 --> 30:37.857 also mean the Oklahoma City Air 30:37.857 --> 30:39.857 Logistics complex , the sustainment 30:39.857 --> 30:41.968 enterprise , the Air Force material . 30:42.439 --> 30:44.680 Enterprise , it's critical to war 30:44.680 --> 30:47.550 fighting um and the fact that , uh , 30:47.560 --> 30:50.430 folks would dedicate their lives , 30:50.599 --> 30:53.000 their , their professions , and you 30:53.000 --> 30:55.239 know what that means for families and 30:55.239 --> 30:58.680 support , um , it , it's uh quite an 30:58.680 --> 31:01.199 honor to be able to serve alongside 31:01.199 --> 31:02.977 them for me it's the honor of a 31:02.977 --> 31:05.319 lifetime . Uh , I can't see how it gets 31:05.319 --> 31:08.300 any better than this , um . Uh , but 31:08.300 --> 31:10.489 you know , for the two years I was 31:10.489 --> 31:12.711 blessed to be able to be a part of it . 31:12.890 --> 31:15.609 Uh , it was just amazing , incredible 31:15.609 --> 31:18.689 Americans , incredible Oklahomans doing 31:18.689 --> 31:22.000 our nation's work , um , and so I would 31:22.000 --> 31:24.410 say to , to my team , thanks for 31:24.410 --> 31:26.521 dedicating your professional lives to 31:26.521 --> 31:29.469 it . Um , and I think , I think it's a 31:29.469 --> 31:31.747 righteous cause that we're all serving . 31:31.747 --> 31:33.525 Awesome , thank you , sir , and 31:33.525 --> 31:35.691 appreciate the leadership for the last 31:35.691 --> 31:38.025 couple of years . It's been a great run . 31:38.025 --> 31:37.829 Thank you , and I think we'll leave it 31:37.829 --> 31:40.051 with that . Uh , we'll let you get back 31:40.051 --> 31:42.162 to work because you're not gone yet . 31:42.162 --> 31:44.273 If I can say one more quick thing and 31:44.273 --> 31:46.329 only because you know we can only do 31:46.329 --> 31:48.496 our job with the communities . Support 31:48.630 --> 31:50.852 and uh I remember General Kirkland used 31:50.852 --> 31:52.908 to say you know the best communities 31:52.908 --> 31:55.430 make the best bases um our folks are 31:55.430 --> 31:57.640 only able to do what they're doing 31:57.640 --> 32:00.680 because this community is the best uh 32:00.680 --> 32:02.880 in the country er in Oklahoma City , 32:03.069 --> 32:05.510 Oklahoma , uh City Air logistics 32:05.510 --> 32:07.621 complex so thanks to the community as 32:07.621 --> 32:09.788 well . Awesome . Well said , sir . And 32:09.788 --> 32:11.954 so with that we are gonna wrap up this 32:11.954 --> 32:14.066 episode of the Tinker Talks podcast . 32:14.066 --> 32:15.954 Thanks General for coming out and 32:15.954 --> 32:18.066 spending some time with us . Uh , and 32:18.066 --> 32:20.288 please don't forget to follow us on the 32:20.288 --> 32:20.170 socials . Uh , you can find us at 32:20.170 --> 32:22.880 Facebook and Instagram at Team Tinker 32:23.180 --> 32:26.589 and of course on X at Team_Tinker and 32:26.589 --> 32:29.020 also check out our our YouTube page . 32:29.390 --> 32:32.069 And our Facebook , I mean our um 32:32.500 --> 32:34.722 website page and also just a quick plug 32:34.722 --> 32:37.000 for our air show that's coming up , uh , 32:37.000 --> 32:38.889 you'll be able to come out and of 32:38.889 --> 32:41.111 course when we do the air show , one of 32:41.111 --> 32:43.056 the big things is to come show the 32:43.056 --> 32:45.056 public why you uh why you have this 32:45.056 --> 32:47.167 base here and to show you some of our 32:47.167 --> 32:49.222 mission sets and an awful lot of the 32:49.222 --> 32:51.219 mission sets that you'll see have 32:51.219 --> 32:53.330 everything to do with the general was 32:53.330 --> 32:55.552 just discussing with us . So until next 32:55.552 --> 32:57.719 time , be safe out there . We hope you 32:57.719 --> 32:59.941 see it at the air show and have a great 32:59.941 --> 32:58.780 week .