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I want to welcome our witnesses and

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thank them both for their service to

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our great nation . Today we kick off

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our review of the administration's FY26

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budget request for the Department of

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Defense , uh , with the United States

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Army . Unfortunately we still have not

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received any real information about

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that budget request , nor have we

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received any detailed information on

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the Army's transformation initiative or

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ATI . Uh , the secretary and the chief

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announced , uh , over a month ago . I

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believe I speak for most of the members

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of the committee when I say that we

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share your goal of developing a more

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modern , agile , and well equipped army .

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And the broad structure of the ATI

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sounds encouraging , uh , rapidly

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delivering modern warfare capabilities ,

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organizing force structure , and

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eliminating waste and obsolete programs .

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But we need to see your homework . And

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overall this significance should be

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based on thorough assessment of

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requirements and it should include a

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detailed blueprint of the specific

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changes being proposed and how the army

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plans to implement them . We need those

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assessments and blueprints . We also

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need to provide , uh , we also need you

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to provide us a timeline for

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implementing ATI . These details will

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help Congress understand , evaluate ,

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and ultimately fund your transformation

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efforts . The Marine Corps did well

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with Force 29 , uh , Force Design 2030 ,

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and the army should follow that model .

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At the end of the day , we wanna make

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sure this overhaul is being driven by

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battlefield requirements and not by

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artificial budget constraints . I'm

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pleased to hear both of you are

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committed to fundamental reform of the

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Army acquisition processes . You will

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find this committee a willing partner

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in that effort . The battlefield is

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rapidly changing , but the capabilities

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we deliver to our warfighters are not

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keeping pace . Next week we will

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introduce a bipartisan piece of

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bipartisan legislation that will

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overhaul the acquisition process and

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refocus it around rapidly equipping our

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warfighters with modern capabilities .

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I look forward to working with both of

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you on this legislation . I also

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understand you both hope to use ATI to

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build a force more relevant to a

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conflict in the Pacific . While I long

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have long supported , uh , the pivot to

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Asia , I urge you not to lose sight of

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Europe . The US Army is the backbone of

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our presence there and that presence

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matters . Thanks to President Trump's

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leadership , our NATO allies are

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finally investing more in their own

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defense , but Europe's rearmament , uh ,

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won't happen overnight . Withdrawing US

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brigades too soon would risk inviting

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further Russian aggression and leave

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our European NATO allies especially

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vulnerable . We cannot let that happen .

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Ultimately , to maintain readiness and

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achieve peace through strength , we

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must adequately fund the army . I look

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forward to working with you , uh , both

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to build the ready , capable , and

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lethal fighting force , uh , America

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needs to deter its adversaries , and

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with that I yield to my friend and

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colleague , the ranking member , Mr .

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Smith . Uh , thank you , Mr . Chairman .

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Thanks , uh , to our witnesses for

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being here today and , and for your

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service , and I substantially agree

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with pretty much everything , uh , the

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chairman just said . You know ,

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obviously Army transformation is the

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headline and right off the bat I've

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spoken with both of you about this ,

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but I wanna applaud both of you

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publicly for diving into that very

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difficult , um , subject . It needs to

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be done now the chairman's right , the

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details need to be worked out , um ,

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but there is no question that the

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nature of warfare is changing

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dramatically . Uh , how do we adjust

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our force to meet those challenges ?

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Certainly we've seen , you know , what

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happened with , uh . Ukraine in Russia

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just in the last several days , you

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know , has gotten our attention about

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the vulnerabilities of existing systems

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and and the capabilities of drones and

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new systems . How does that inform the

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way we want to build our national

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defense structure ? So your efforts in

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that are broadly supported by this

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committee devils in the details , but

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you're heading in the right direction

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and we look forward to working with you

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to to make some of those changes .

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And I agree with the chairman on the

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budget consistently given um this is

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the the latest in my memory that a

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budget has ever come uh before Congress

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um well it's not here yet so latest and

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and continuing that that that record

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here as we go but even before that ,

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you know , is , is well documented ,

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you know , we've been passing CRs we

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haven't been doing consistent budgeting .

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Um , and you know that adds an element

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of uncertainty to the challenges that

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we've outlined . We need a more

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consistent budget process , I guess the

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only minor quibble I would have with

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the chairman's comments when he , when

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he said artificial budget constraints .

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Um , I think the budget constraints are

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real , um , and frankly one of the

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things . Things that I would like to

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see within the Department of Defense

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and frankly throughout government is a

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recognition of those budget constraints .

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We , we don't have an unlimited amount

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of money as we are $36 trillion in debt ,

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um , we're apparently about to pass a

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budget reconciliation bill that's gonna

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add another 23 or $4 trillion to that .

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Um , we have very real budget

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constraints , and one of my worries

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across DOD , not just with the army ,

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is we're just sort of keeping doing a

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whole lot , um , you know , we don't

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think we have enough ships , we don't

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have enough nuclear weapons , we don't

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have enough planes , and so we've got

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all these plans to fill that that

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cannot possibly be met by the budget

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constraints that we face . So again , I

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applaud the army for taking a little

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bit more of a realistic look at that ,

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um , and I hope we can build off of

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that and , and . Forward one other

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really important issue obviously is

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recruitment and quality of life . This

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committee did a ton of work last cycle

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um to try to make sure that we support

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our service members and their families

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so we continue to recruit and retain

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the best forces we have . Also

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interested in your thoughts about what

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that force looks like in the modern uh

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battlefield . um , certainly we will

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always need uh war fighters , infantry ,

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all of that . But technology is

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becoming so much more important . How

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does that change who we want to recruit

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and how we do our outreach to make sure

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that we have the people that we need

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serving in the army and throughout the

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military , and lastly I want to agree

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with the , the final point the chairman

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made about Europe specifically but more

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broadly . I , I've never been a big fan

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of the whole pivot to Asia idea . Uh ,

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the idea that China is our primary

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challenge , I agree with , but that

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challenge is global . It's not just in

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Asia . Um , what happens in Ukraine is

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going to have a profound impact on how

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we deal with China as they are now

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partnering with Russia and North Korea

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and Iran . And also China's active

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everywhere in the world . This is a

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global competition , so I don't think

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we can afford to ignore the rest of the

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world and thinking that if we focus in

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Asia that will focus on the challenges

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that we meet . It needs to be a more

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comprehensive approach , uh , with that ,

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um , I thank the chairman for having

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this , uh , hearing , and I look

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forward to the testimony and the

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questions . Thank you , and you're back .

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Uh , thank the ranking member . Uh ,

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I'd like to now introduce our witnesses ,

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um , the Honorable Dan Driscoll ,

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Secretary of the Army , welcome . Uh ,

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General Randy George , Chief of Staff

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of the Army , welcome . Uh , Secretary

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Driscoll , we'll start with you .

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You're recognized for 5 minutes .

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Chairman Rogers , uh , ranking member

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Smith , distinguished members of this

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committee , it is a privilege to

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address you today . I want to express

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my sincere gratitude for your

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unwavering support of our soldiers and

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their families . I'd like to start off

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this hearing with some good news .

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Yesterday , the United States Army met

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its fiscal year 2025 recruiting goal

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four months early , welcoming more than

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61,000 new recruits . These men and

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women are stepping up during a time of

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global uncertainty and complex threats .

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And those threats are real . When I

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went through my confirmation hearings ,

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I pledged to be the soldier's secretary

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of the Army . That commitment has

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guided every single step of our

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approach so far . The Army

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Transformation Initiative has been

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conceived with the soldier in mind ,

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and your partnership is absolutely

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critical as General George and I begin

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implementing this transformation which

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is now more urgent than ever . This

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week we witnessed a stark illustration

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of modern warfare in Ukraine and Russia .

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Reports indicate a coordinated strike

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against Russia's strategic bomber force

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using a swarm of over 100 inexpensive

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drones at a cost of a mere tens of

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thousands of dollars . Ukraine

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inflicted billions in damage ,

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potentially setting back Russia's

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bomber capabilities for years . The

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world saw in near real time how readily

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available technology can disrupt

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established power dynamics . And drones

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are but one example of a broader shift .

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The army needs to keep pace . In my 1st

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3 months as Secretary General George

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and I have been immersed in

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understanding why the army has been

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slow to innovate . Our soldiers are not

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the problem . I've met with them in the

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Middle East , Europe , along our

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southern border and at installations

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across the United States . Their

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strength , dedication , and unwavering

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commitment to this nation are inspiring .

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We ask a great deal of them , and they

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consistently deliver . Nor is the

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ingenuity of American industry at fault .

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Our tech sector continues to thrive ,

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driven by innovation , entrepreneurship ,

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and a willingness to embrace risk . So

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where does the problem lie ? As

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secretary , I have found that the army

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has become calcified , having suffered

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from years of inefficiency , slow

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moving processes , and wasteful

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spending . Program lobbyists and

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bureaucrats have overtaken the army's

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ability to prioritize soldiers and war

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fighting . We must all work together to

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ensure the army is ready to fight and

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win . The Army Transformation

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Initiative will make us into an army

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that is lean , agile , and relentlessly

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focused on empowering its soldiers . An

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army that embraces innovation ,

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collaborates effectively with the

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private sector and prioritizes war

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fighting readiness above all else . To

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achieve this vision , we must

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streamline our acquisitions process ,

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reclaim our right to repair , and

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cultivate a culture that rewards

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innovation and calculated risk taking .

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We must also empower those closest to

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the fight to actually make the

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decisions . The Army Transformation

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initiative is our first step to achieve

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this vision , but this transformation

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hinges on your support . We are asking

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this committee to empower us to make

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these changes while providing your

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constitutionally mandated oversight .

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We are asking for the flexibility to

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make decisions that keep pace with the

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rapid advancements in technology and

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the evolving nature of warfare . We're

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asking for this committee to work with

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us to maximize the value of every

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dollar appropriated to best support our

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soldiers . I ask this because it is my

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duty , both as Secretary of the Army

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and as an American citizen , to ensure

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that every dollar the army receives

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contributes to defending this great

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nation of ours . I know we are all

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committed to our soldiers , to their

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success , and to providing them with

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the overwhelming advantage they deserve .

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Thank you , and I welcome your

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questions . Thank you , uh , General

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George , you're recognized . Chairman

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Rogers , ranking member Smith ,

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distinguished members of the committee ,

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thanks for the opportunity to be here

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with you today . I wanna start off by

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saying just how proud I am of our army .

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I'm proud of our troops in the

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Indo-Pacific on the southern border in

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the Middle East , in Europe , and of

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everything our army has done over the

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past year to respond to wildfires ,

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floods , and even a bridge collapse .

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We have formations all around the world

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conducting missions and exercises and

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innovating with our partners and allies .

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When not deployed , our units are

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conducting tough , realistic training

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at their home stations and our combat

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training centers . Our army is a

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professional team that remains focused

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on its war fighting mission , and young

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Americans want to be a part of it . And

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this is evidenced by our strong

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recruiting numbers this year and as the

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secretary mentioned , we have already

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met our recruiting mission for the year

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and we still have our most productive

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months ahead of us . And while I'm I'm

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proud of our army . I also know we have

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work to do . We know the world is

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changing commercial technology is

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rapidly evolving , especially AI and

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autonomous systems , and this is

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impacting the character of war . We

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understand that we must transform to

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stay ahead of our adversaries , and we

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need to get better by 2026 and 2027 ,

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not by 2030 . Over the last year using

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existing FY24 funding some of our units

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transformed in contact , which means

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they experimented with changing how we

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train , fight , man , and equip while

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they were deployed or in training

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environments . This was a great proof

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of concept . It confirmed that our

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formations are capable of rapidly

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improving their lethality . One

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transformation and contact brigade in

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Europe was 300% more effective in

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lethal targeting in training .

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Transformation and contact taught us

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some valuable lessons about what our

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army should be buying and how we should

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be buying it and we're just getting

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started . We're gonna make the changes

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we can at our level so that we can

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continue to dominate the modern

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battlefield . For instance , we will

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cancel programs that are obsolete or

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not what our war fighters need .

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Develop and adapt war winning

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capabilities by modular open

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architecture designs that can be

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iteratively updated . Cut and

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consolidate headquarters . For instance ,

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we're gonna reduce GO structure , cut

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1000 positions from the headquarters ,

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Department of the Army staff , and add

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modern business systems that we know

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will make us more effective . And

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finally we will power down authorities

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and funding so that commanders in our

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fighting formations have what they need

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to make their teams and their

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communities successful . What I've

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learned from being in the seat is that

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it is our job as leaders to do what we

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can with the budget that we have . I've

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been talking about the need for agile

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funding for UAS counter UAS , and EW ,

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and we need more flexibility in those

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areas . Technology is changing too

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rapidly . We've got to be able to buy

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capabilities rather than specific

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programs so that we can always get our

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war fighters the best available tech

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and equipment for the fight . This is

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where we could use your help . We are

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quickly approaching our army's 250th

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birthday . This will defend has been

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our motto for 250 years , and I'm

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looking forward to celebrating our long

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legacy of duty . More importantly , our

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soldiers are ready today to defend our

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country , and we will do our part to

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ensure they have what they need to be

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successful in that enduring mission .

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We appreciate all of your support and

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we're looking forward to your questions .

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Thank you both . I recognize myself for

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the first set of questions . Uh , as I

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mentioned in my statement , uh , the

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committee , uh , is willing to work

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with you on ATI , but we need to see

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your math . When can we expect the full

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details of , uh , exactly what you're

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proposing ? Uh , um , um ,

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the way that we envision ATI and how we

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have described it throughout the

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formations is this will be an iterative

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process and so , um , there will be no

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one date where everything with our

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first batch of ATI will be completed .

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We will be hopefully , uh , doing what

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the best companies in America do and

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learning as we go . The the very first

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batch of um cuts that General George

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has referenced where we are pushing our

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soldiers back out to the formations ,

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those are in process the when we are

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looking at the , the , the assets that

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we have and what we are buying and

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where we don't want it , um , we have

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started to work with those . Companies

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who are providing things to empower

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them with the information about what we

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do want so a lot of that's in process

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when we're looking at our depots and

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where we are manufacturing things in

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our organic industrial base , we have

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just started that process of putting

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together the plans for what could be

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the right solution , but our commitment ,

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uh , is that we will share it as soon

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as we have , um , reasonable drafts

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with this committee to take your

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feedback to help make it stronger and

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better . So will it be reflected in the

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president's FY26 budget ? Many of the

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cuts and the the the the lack of

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requests for obsolete equipment will be

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reflected in that budget . OK . Do you

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expect to cancel any programs , uh ,

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for which the money was in the uh FY25

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CR ? We , we are not , we are not

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doing that right now , Congressman , we

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are , we , we've been in the process of

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going back through with businesses ,

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things that we are doing right now ,

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but as the secretary mentioned ,

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looking forward , uh , there are

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several examples and I know we've been

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over and we're happy to come over and ,

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you know , brief everyone . On what

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we're doing with the transformation

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transformation um initiative in detail ,

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uh , but these are systems that I think

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we've long talked about that we know we

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don't need in our formation are not

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gonna help us win on the battlefield

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and we can go down those in detail ,

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but they , those aren't in the 25 CR

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then . The things that you're thinking

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to my knowledge , uh , Chairman ,

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there's nothing that's in there . I

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mean we just had a conversation ,

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everything that we've , you know , keep ,

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um , I'll give you one example we don't

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wanna buy Humvees , you know , and we

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haven't asked to buy Humvees , but that

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was in our budget . And we , you know ,

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we're obviously continuing with FY 25

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because that's what we were directed to

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do with our budget . The only reason I

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ask these questions , I just worry

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about you being locked in , you know ,

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if whatever you're wanting to do is not

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in the FY26 budget , then you may have

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some constraints that that are

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unnecessary . Yes sir , and we worked

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with , um , in this budget creation

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process we have included the the entire

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Pentagon leadership in this and so it ,

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it should be reflecting the 26 budget .

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I know you did mention the desire to

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have the right to repair . We want to

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be helpful with you on that . So , so

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do know that you need to be getting

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with us about exactly how you see that

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being constructed statutorily , and we ,

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we will be helpful as you know , the

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acquisition system that we have now is ,

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is just antiquated and and needs to be

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modified and the ranking member and I

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are making acquisition reform the

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number one priority in this year's NDAA .

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Uh , what specific authorities or

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support do you need from Congress , uh ,

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to fix it ? I'll ,

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I agree with you , Chairman . Um , one

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of the things that we're looking at ,

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there's a lot of and how we're gonna ,

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you know , look at restructuring as

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well as there's a lot of commercial off

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the shelf stuff that we should be

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adopting , um , and so we should be

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able to , you know , be structured so

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that we're adopting certain equipment

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that we know the commercial sector is

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moving very fast . Other stuff we're

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gonna have to modify we talk about the

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infantry squad vehicle is one example

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of that . We just modify that a little

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bit it's largely a commercial product .

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Um , uh , program and then there's

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obviously develop I think where we need

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the most help is in agile funding we ,

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we know that on drones , autonomous

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systems , EW , and specifically to the

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incident that in uh Russia that the

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secretary highlighted counter UAS we

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need to be , you know , we need to not

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buy , you know , one program or record

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I think program or record is kind of a

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uh an old term . And we need agile

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funding to be able to buy in those

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what's , you know , as the technology

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changes buy them the best available

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thing that's on the market . Well , I

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agree and and we need to make those

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things history and it's gonna be

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difficult . It's gonna require a

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culture change in the department . We

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are wanting to impose that culture

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change , but we're gonna need you to

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want to do it too , uh , to make this

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system , uh , viable in the future that

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I'll yield , uh , to the ranking member .

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Uh , thank you , Mr . Chair . I

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completely agree on the agile funding

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piece and within the budget process

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it's gonna be really important to have

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close coordination between whatever it

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is the president's budget winds up

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being and then how Congress deals with

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that to reflect those priorities and

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try to give you that agile funding ,

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but Mr . Secretary , on the Army

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transformation plan . If you could sort

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of just quickly explain that what what

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programs are you getting rid of what

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programs are you adding ? I mean we can

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all sort of get the idea that drones

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are a problem , survivability is a

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problem , but how does that translate

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into what we're going to put money into

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and what we're not going to put money

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into going forward ? Um , I'm happy to

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answer it and so basically Army

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Transformation initiative . Does 4

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things . There are 4 buckets of actions ,

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and then I'll circle back to the

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buckets to answer your specific

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question . The first bucket of actions

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is the United States Army , as General

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Georges mentioned , has not wanted to

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buy a number of programs and products

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for the last couple of decades in some

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instances , and , and they keep getting

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them . And so it was basically working

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with the Pentagon leadership

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undersecretary of Defense Heeth , uh ,

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and President Trump to say . Hey ,

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let's do what's right for soldiers . We

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don't need to buy these assets and

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resources are limited . Let's stop .

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Can you give us a couple of examples .

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Humvee , obviously Humvee is one . JLTV

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is one . The the Booker tank , uh , is

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an example of kind of a sunk cost

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fallacy in action . We wanted to design

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a light tank . We ended up with

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something that was the medium . If no

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one really liked it . The manufacturer

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wasn't particularly happy with it . We

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weren't happy with it . What would have

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historically occurred there is we would

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have kept buying it , um , and what we

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said is we went to the leadership , we

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said . Look , we , we got this one

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wrong . We , the army have to own this .

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The wrong answer is not to keep buying

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it . It's instead to stop the spending

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and go buy the things we want . Exactly .

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So what are the things you want ? So

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the things we want are drones , light ,

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a tradeable commercially off the shelf .

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We want counter drone technology . We

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want our soldiers to have a data layer .

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So the very basic function of war will

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require our people to be able to

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communicate over the horizon with each

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other with our sensors and our things

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near instantaneously . When we read

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about things like generative AI that

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cannot work in warfare until we have a

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very good data layer and so we , we are

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very optimistic that there are

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commercial solutions available and

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we're working to do that , um , so that

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would be the second bucket . The third

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bucket would be right to repair as the

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chairman mentioned the army , one of

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the visits we went on , it was

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horrifying to me that the soldiers were

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showing us this exquisite equipment .

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That had been off the line for nearly a

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year and they knew how to 3D print a

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part to it and the part cost $2 and for

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1 year they couldn't use this equipment

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and it's at scale and we , we , the

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army have been a bad customer to

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ourselves and so there are some

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corrections along that and then uh

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another thing General George mentioned

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in his intro is we've , we've done a

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lot of these things to ourselves . We

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have too many people up in headquarters

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not wearing helmets , not out in the

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formations , not doing what they .

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Signed up to want to do and so we're

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gonna push those soldiers back out to

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the formation . Just one quick thing on

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that maintenance question . Do you ,

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are you using AI for predictive

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maintenance to help with that piece of

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it as well ? Uh , so , um , we want to ,

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we're running some experiments , so

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very specifically , I don't know if

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anyone's seen the Meta , uh , Ray-Ban

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glasses that are available . They're

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400 or $500 . We have requested , we

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are purchasing some of those . We're

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gonna have our Humvee mechanics . Wear

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them and collect 1 uh 1000 hours of

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repair footage and what we believe may

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happen is we can train a generative

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model so that when you're wearing those

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glasses you may not actually be a

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Humvee mechanic , but you may be able

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to do 90% of the repair requirements

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and so we're trying to run experiments

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as quickly as possible to do that and

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your 4th bucket , our fourth bucket is

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the pushing soldiers back out , getting

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rid of the bureaucracy in our own

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formation that we caused . OK , um ,

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how does long range fires fit into this ?

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I know this is something that you've

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been that the army's been working on

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focusing on for a while , obviously ,

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you know , the , the further you are

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from a target , the less vulnerable you

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are , um , drones are an example of

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sort of a long range fire in its own

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way . Um , is it just gonna be drones

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or are there other systems you think

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are gonna be necessary to be able to

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deliver from distance ? Um , sir , I'll

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take , I mean , I was gonna add there's

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a couple of other things that we're

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looking at , you know , on the

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reductions , uh , 864 deltas is another

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one . It's twice as expensive . Um , we

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know we're moving towards autonomy . Um ,

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we had , uh , uh , an RCV which is a uh

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big heavy autonomous system , and again

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we should be looking to commercial , uh ,

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industry to help us with that . It was ,

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you know , way too expensive . Um , so

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there's a lot of things that are that

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are on that list . We are looking at

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long range fires , and I will tell you

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this is another thing where I think we

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have to be , you know , get industry

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involved . We are getting ready to do

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some tests , um , this summer with long

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range missiles that are 1/10 of the

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price . And when you start talking

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about magazine depths and this is back

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to your initial comments on , you know ,

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understanding that you have a budget ,

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I think we've all learned that we've

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have to live within . A budget we can

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get things uh invest in things that are

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much more cost effective and I think

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that's where we need the flexibility to

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do that and just as I'm as I'm out of

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time here I wanna make that point there

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are a lot of smaller companies that are

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developing drones . This hypersonic

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missiles are fact that are so much

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cheaper than what a lot of the programs

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of record that we've been working on

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for a while . It's just independent

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people who've gone out there and

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developed the technology and now

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they've got a really , you know , cheap

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thing to . We need to really access

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those things if we're gonna be able to ,

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to deal with our budget constraints and

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get to where we need to be . Thank you ,

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Mr . Chairman . Thank the ranking

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member . Chair now recognizes a

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gentleman from South Carolina . Wilson .

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Thank you very much , Chairman Mike

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Rogers , for your leadership and thank

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both of you for your , uh , service to

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our country , which is so appreciated .

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Uh , we're in a cold war that we didn't

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choose between dictators with rule of

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gun invading democracies with rule of

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law . Putin began this with the

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invasion of Ukraine and the Chinese

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Communist Party continues to build

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itself up and expand and modernize with

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capabilities and rapidly expand while

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we are actually reacting to the changes

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in the battle space . This is as Iran

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is developing a nuclear weapon

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capability . To achieve death to Israel ,

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death to America , and we've seen

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change this weekend , and the change

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this weekend was indeed a victory by

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the people of Ukraine , uh ,

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eliminating , uh , Soviet bombers that

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have been built , uh , for the purpose

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of , uh , in the Cold War , the first

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Cold War to vaporize the people of

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America and Europe , and now those

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bombers are gone . uh , what an

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extraordinary achievement . So we need

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to adapt and . Uh , you're gonna find ,

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uh , bipartisanship here . This is

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remarkable . OK , I agree with Adam

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Smith , uh , that we need to be working

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together on less expensive but

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effective drones and they might even be

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produced in Ukraine , but wherever they ,

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uh , come from , or then they can

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license them here , whatever it takes ,

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uh , Secretary , Driscoll , uh ,

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recently the president signed an

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executive order assigning the army as

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the lead for deploying advanced nuclear

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reactors and military installations by

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2028 . And uh I'm generally I see

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uh America benefits from President

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Trump's vision and leadership in this

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development in South Carolina with the

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Savannah River site that I have the

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opportunity to represent and I'm the

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only member of Congress who's ever

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worked at Savannah River site . Um ,

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nuclear capability is very important

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and with that in mind , how is the army

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prioritizing micro nuclear reactors as

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a nuclear as a national security

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imperative . To ensure resilient

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interrupted power for critical defense

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infrastructure and uh over and over

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again we can see that small mo reactors ,

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microreactors will be an important

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opportunity . What is the status of

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development ? Um , we , we couldn't

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agree more , so , uh , contested

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logistics is going to be when you look

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at what just happened in Russia this

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past weekend and the ability of these

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cheap drones to , um , contest

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logistics lines . The army owns that

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and has historically owned that . And

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what , what we will need to do is for a

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lot of the new tools that are coming

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out directed energy , they have

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incredible energy requirements . You're

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gonna have to have spikes of energy

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come through the lines that just are

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not set , um . The the current

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technology is not sufficient for it ,

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and we are standing up groups to um run

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the same experiments we were talking

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about we were trying to do on uh small

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nuclear and the micronuclear reactions .

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I , I wish you well on that indeed I

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know a perfect 310 square mile site on

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the east coast , the largest secure

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site , uh , site on the east coast ,

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and it's not actually in Alabama , it's

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in South Carolina . And um and so

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production could be very well there uh

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and uh additionally , Mr . Secretary ,

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uh , to better understand , I'm really

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grateful as a guard member former Army

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guard member myself , to understand the

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impact of the Army Transformation

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initiative on the National Guard in

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particular , the Army National Guard

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has 4 AH 64 Apache battalions ,

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including the 151st Aviation Regiment

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in South Carolina . Uh , what do you

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see as , uh , occurring and , uh ,

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about the eliminating of such squadrons ?

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Uh , what about the divestment of the ,

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uh , AH 64Ds and the elimination of the

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squadron ? And maybe the general should

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be answering . Yeah , I was gonna jump

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in on that one , Congressman , um . So

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I mentioned , you know , previously

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when Ranking member Smith asked the

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question , we're we are , uh , getting

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rid of the H64 Delta's expensive . What

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we're gonna do is cask and we're

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getting rid of those battalions as well ,

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um , divesting of those battalions

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inside the active component . The

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National Guard will stay with 4 ,

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Apache battalions . What you'll notice

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is is that you'll get the , the newest

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864 Echo aircraft . So part of this has

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been . Is making sure that we divest

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ourselves of the old more expensive

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aircraft and we're gonna upgrade our

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fleet and this is across all of them .

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Same thing with um the guard is gonna

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see uh mic models re replacing Lima and

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Victor models on the UH 60s and so

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that's what we're , that's what we're

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looking at doing and uh hey , as you ,

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uh , divest yourself of the , uh ,

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Apaches , uh , a great ally of America ,

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Jordan , uh , would be happy to accept

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them . Uh , and this would actually

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back up another remarkable achievement ,

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and that is the removal of the dictator

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Bashar al-Assad in Syria to be replaced

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by a government that's working in every

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way to um uh have a relationship with

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Israel , possibly the Abraham Accords ,

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uh , to provide stability , and one way

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to do that is for , uh , Jordan to be

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even more enhanced . I yield back . I

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appreciate the , uh , the general from

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South Carolina raising the issue of

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nuclear power production . You may ,

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may recall that last week , uh ,

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President Trump and Secretary Hicks

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talked about not only President Trump's

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initiative to get more nuclear energy

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production in the United States , but

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particularly Secretary Hicks has to do

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some reforms in the Defense Department

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to help deal with our , uh , need to

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get off the grid . Uh , I have asked

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Representative Harrigan to lead the ,

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the language in this year's NDA to put

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some pilot programs where we use SMRs

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on some of our bases and , and depots

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as a proof of concept . I would ask you

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to work with him on fashioning that

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legislation to make it as broad as

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possible because we really would like

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to see this concept proved . I know

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it's something the Department of Energy ,

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uh , embraces as well . Uh , with that ,

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I will now turn to a gentleman from

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California , Mr . Garry Mindy . You're

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recognized . Uh thank you , Mr .

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Chairman and ranking member Smith . uh ,

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you laid out the challenge that we have

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in working with the army in its

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transformation , and we simply don't

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have the information that we need , and

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we look forward to getting that

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information . Uh , we will be doing an

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NDAA in the next 1.5 to 2 months . So ,

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um Are you prepared to prepare us ?

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I'll let that hang out there a couple

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of things um that I wanna go into , uh ,

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on the readiness subcommittee , we are

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always concerned about logistics . And

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I want to raise the issue of logistics ,

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particularly in Europe as well as in

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the Pacific . How does your

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army transformation initiative deal

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with the sustainment of material

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supplies uh in the Indo Pacific , uh ,

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specifically the uh APSs , um , are

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they gonna continue ? What is the plan ?

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Uh , if you don't have it , then we

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must continue to find out what is going

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to be . I , I , I think , um ,

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from a high level absolutely ATI , the

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intent of it in the bucket two of what

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we need to buy , we know that we have

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got to , um , spread out our

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prepositioned stocks , so , uh , it is

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no longer going to be sufficient to

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have big warehouses with a lot of

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American equipment sitting as a target ,

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um , those will be incredibly

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targetable by the enemy and what we

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need to do is continue to invest in and

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explore drone technology that can do a

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lot of these . Micro movements for us

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and spread out our stocks and so I

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think as it specifically relates to the

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APS um we are trying to think about

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different ways to have our equipment

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prepositioned around the globe and the

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tools that we can create with micro

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movements to get them into the hands of

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soldiers . I would assume that micro

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movement if it happens to be in the

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Pacific would require um the army's .

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Uh , vessels , maritime vessels which

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seem to be continually declining in

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their availability . So would that be a

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piece of it or are you going to give up

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those ships ? We , we are looking we

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are looking at that congressman . I

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mean , to your previous question , I

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wanted to , you know , go back .

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There's a lot of things . One is

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autonomy is going to do a lot of things ,

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you know , we got there's autonomous

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systems right now that are unloading

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vessels and moving very large things

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and I think what that we can , we

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should look at that some of the most

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dangerous things . Um , that I did in

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Iraq and Afghanistan were resupply

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operations and so whatever we can do to

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make sure that we are , you know ,

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reducing that , um , we are looking at

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hybrid electric when we're out just

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seeing the , the ISV and we had an ISV

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heavy that actually could , uh , the GM

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defense makes it could actually , um ,

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power our talks for 5 or 6 days

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and so then you're not , you know ,

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bringing fuel for that will work

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anywhere in the world . It certainly

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will work in the Pacific . And I do

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think , um , we were down in Austin and

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I think some others in here saw what ,

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you know , there are systems right now

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that are being built , autonomous

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systems , um , the same , they're gonna

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be much , uh , less expensive they can

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still deliver . Um , wherever you're at

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in the world in the maritime

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environment , land or air , and I , I

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think that that's where we need to be

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investing again again that takes agile

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funding to make sure that we don't lock

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ourselves into a program and continue

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to buy things that maybe we won't need

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in a couple of years . Speaking of

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agile funding , one of the things that

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uh The army brought to our attention in

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the last 3 years was the um .

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Support necessary to upgrade the

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barracks . Here within the United

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States and in other places , Europe as

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well as the Pacific . I know that about

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a billion dollars of that money that we

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put together for upgrading the barracks

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has been agilely funded . Away from the

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barracks ? To be used on the

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border . So what about the barracks ?

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Have you forgotten about them or are

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they not important anymore ? I , I

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would say our our barracks again having

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grown up in , in those environments are

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very important to us . There are one of

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the things that we're working with

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Congress , I think that right now we

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are probably overpaying , um , for some

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of our barracks , and we passed that on

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to the , you know , to the MLCO

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committees and , and kind of detail on

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what we're doing . When I'm when I'm

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we're talking about agile funding for

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drones this and everything else , it's

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not colorless money we wanna . We want

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to be very specific that hey this is

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for drones , this is for EW , and this

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is for counter UAS and that's where we

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wanna make sure that that money is

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focused . Final 7 seconds of thought on

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my side is that yes we want we want to

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support you at your uh initiative .

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Very , very important to do that at the

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same time there are ongoing programs

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that are extremely important for the

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maintenance of the troops barracks

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being gentleman times expired . I

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recognized gentleman from Virginia , Mr .

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Whitman . Thank you Mr . Chairman .

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Secretary Driscoll , General George ,

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thanks again for joining us .

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Appreciate your leadership . I do want

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to , uh , focus on , uh , the Army

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Transformation initiative . Appreciate

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you all doing that , uh , well past

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time . This dynamic movement is

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absolutely needed . Uh , the challenge

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for us though is to make sure that

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there's certainty going forward when

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this does involve people's lives , when

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it informs involves uniformed service

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members and the civilian staffs , they

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deserve to know what's going on . And

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when they don't , it creates a high

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level of anxiety . I have Tradoc

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headquarters in my district . It's part

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of the , uh , transformation initiative

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along with Army Futures Command . I can

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tell you that , uh , the rumor mill

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there is running wild . There is chaos

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there at Fort Eustace because there's

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lack of certainty . We owe it to our

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constituents and the folks that are in

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our . Our districts to give them

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certainty even if it is saying it's

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still continued to be under under

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consideration . I understand what you

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all went through in the transformation

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and contact efforts there to try to

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figure out how you're gonna organize

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brigades uh I understand that that's

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that's a good portion of what needs to

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happen in the transformation of the

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army . So first of all I want to

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understand , you know , what have you

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learned from that that you're gonna

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translate to the ATI . Second of all ,

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as you're going through the

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transforming contact 2.0 , uh , which

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is ongoing , is it , is it fair to

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characterize that that that is going to

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be at least a foundational aspect of

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what happens with with ATI ? And are

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certain ATI decisions still under

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analysis because we gotta kinda get a

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good couple of different stories .

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General George , I talked with you and

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you said , hey , it's definitive , it's ,

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it's one , commanding general position ,

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a certain number of other positions .

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And then we hear wild speculation about

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all these other things that are out

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there and then on the backside we're

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being told , oh it's still under

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analysis . We , we , we just got to get

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the story straight . So anyway , so I

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wanted to get , get your perspective on ,

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on where we're going with ATI , what's

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how is transforming and contact 2.0

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gonna inform that ? What are we doing

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as far as creating some certainty as to

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what this is going to be or what it's

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gonna look like ? I would rather , you

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know , hold it back and say we're still

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analyzing it and putting stuff out

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there and saying this is what it's

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gonna be about . So so transformation

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and contact , I think at its highest

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level , um , is taking a practice that

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a lot of companies in America have done .

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Uh , that , that has made us an amazing

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nation , but particularly companies ,

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let's say that are venture backed it it

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is part of their model , and it's this

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idea of doing a minimum viable product ,

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getting into the hand of your customer

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as quickly as humanly possible at a

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very small scale and then learning from

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them . And so what Transformation and

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Contact has done for us is it gave us

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lessons from the actual soldiers .

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Using the equipment that we thought

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might work , some of it did , some of

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it didn't we learn lessons when we sent

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equipment up to Alaska and it's -45

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degrees that that equipment just didn't

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work . We , we wouldn't have known that

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without getting it into the hands of

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soldiers and so almost all of Army

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transformation initiative has been

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informed by what soldiers have told us ,

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and we expect that iterative cycle to

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continue ideally . Long past our time

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in these roles because what had

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happened historically to contrast with

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that was long procurement documents

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were created with hundreds and hundreds

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of requirements that then then by the

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time the document was signed , it was

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already outdated technology and then by

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the time it was actually fielded it was

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even worse and just what we're seeing

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on the battlefield that will no longer

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work um and then just to your question

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of um . Uh , ATI we hope has many

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iterations within the buckets that I

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described earlier to your colleague .

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Many and most of those we have gotten

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buy-in from Secretary of Defense He

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Seth and the president's team . To

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execute on those getting no longer

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purchasing obsolete equipment , buying

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the the new things that we need to the

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to the merging of a lot of the things

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that we're gonna have and pushing

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people out from headquarters back to

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the formations that planning we we have

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given the order to start to make the

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plans . It is currently ongoing and the

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moment we have it , uh , clear enough

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to share , we , we intend to , yeah , I

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just think it's , it's critically

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important to communicate that in a way .

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I don't have any issue with making the

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transformation that's necessary . But

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these are people's lives . These are

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people's families , so don't forget

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that these are people's lives that that

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are impacted by this , but the civilian

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force and the uniformed Services Force ,

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they are incredible individuals that

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want to , you know , to do everything

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they can for the nation , but you know ,

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putting them through this period of

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uncertainty is , is not really fair to

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them . So General George , I don't know

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if you have anything that you want to

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comment on . I , I just was gonna add ,

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Congressman . You know , we always talk

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about lessons if they're , you know ,

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we're really learned , you change how

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you train and operate , you change how

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you're organized , you change how you

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buy things . We've talked a lot about

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how we buy things , how we're organized

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is something that we have learned . You ,

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you mentioned our mobile brigade combat

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teams . What we also noticed all the

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way up is that we had redundancy and

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what we were doing and how we were

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bringing things to the warfighter .

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That was a problem . With the Army

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Futures Command and trade doc , uh ,

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and challenge and how we're training

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our people moving forward , how do you

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how quickly can you train FPV drone

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operators , you know , what , what do

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you need ? The other thing that we're

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looking at is our business systems . We

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are collapsing business systems from ,

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you know , probably by 50% , and we are

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gonna be much more effective .

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Gentleman's time expired , and I

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recognize the gentleman from

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Massachusetts , Mr . Moulton . Mr .

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Chairman , thank you very much .

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Secretary Driscoll , thank you for

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being here . You have a bipartisan

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reputation for competence and lack of

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criminality , which is remarkably rare

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in this administration , so I hope you

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survive , and I thank you for your

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service , General George , thank you

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for your continued service as well . I

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want to associate myself with the

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chairman's opening comments , namely

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our bipartisan support for

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modernization and for using the Marine

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Corps's forcesign 2030 as a model .

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General George , you and I last year

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had an extended conversation in the

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skiff where you argued that the army

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didn't need to fundamentally change in

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response to modern threats . I cited

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examples of where the Marine Corps has

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reduced its reliance on tanks since

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we've seen $10 million tanks killed by

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$3000 drones . And replacing

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traditional artillery with rockets and

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missiles , but you argued against this ,

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maintaining that you need everything

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you have both the geostrategic level

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and the operational level . And now

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you're saying that you want to make

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these changes . So what has changed

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over the last 12 months ? Um , I'm

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remembering back to that conversation

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and I think that was very specific to

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tanks and , um , one of the things I do

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think we still need tanks on the

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battlefield . Congressman , I do think

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that we need to update our tanks to

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make sure that they're basically it's

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software defined . I've talked to a lot

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of people around the world that know

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that we're gonna need that . That is

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not a capability that the Marines can

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provide , but that is a capability that

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that the army will , will likely , you

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know , need to be able to provide if

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we're in that kind of situation . So

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you still think you exactly the same

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number of tanks on ATI and what came

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out in our announcement is we've

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actually . We are reducing by 3 ABCTs

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and um and actually converting those

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units um again , that's in the guard ,

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um , to mobile brigade combat teams

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that we want to do that very quickly .

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Same with , uh , with striker brigade

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combat teams , but , um , I do think

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we're gonna need , uh , armored mobile

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protection , uh , you know , that what

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we're going through , and again this is ,

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uh , and we're wanting to do this quick .

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This isn't about 2030 , this is doing

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this rapidly . And making sure that we

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can change our formations . I think

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since that conversation we also have

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been um investing in drones , putting

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them in our formations , investing in

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autonomous systems that can do

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breaching . I think we're still gonna

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have to do all of those things we're

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seeing all of that on the modern

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battlefield right now . How how does

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the army's needs in the Pacific differ

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from those in Europe ? What role will

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tanks play in the Pacific ? Well , I

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can tell you that , uh , I know that

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the PLA , uh , has tanks . I mean

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people have tanks around the world . I

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think we need to be prepared with it

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again . We always talk about the great

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army Army is like the army is a global ,

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it's a global army . I think that was

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brought up here earlier . We need to be

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ready to go where pacing is in the

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Pacific , right ? Excuse me the pacing

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threat is in the Pacific . No argument

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on the pacing threat . OK , then let's

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make sure our forces are designed to to

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to aim for the pacing threat and not

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continue to be calibrated to an old

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threat in Europe . It's great that the

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PLA has a lot of stuff that we don't

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have . I'd love to kill million dollar

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tanks from the PLA with $1000 drones

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from the United States . Fundamentally ,

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why is the army 5 years behind the

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Marine Corps in this transformation ,

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Secretary Driscoll . I , I , I think

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one of the first things General George

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and I did is we went to the West Coast ,

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um , we , we , we went to JBLM , went

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to Seattle , talked to Microsoft , went

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to Silicon Valley and hit open AI

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Google . Just asking , why are you so

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far behind the Marine Corps ? So what ,

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what we saw on that , um , visit was ,

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I think that the United States Army had

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done a , it had a lot of bureaucracy

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that got in the way of doing the right

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thing . And I think um what we have

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tried to do is take the best practices

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from the Marine Corps's transition and

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try to implement those as quickly as

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possible . I appreciate that . uh ,

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General George , on to the , uh ,

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birthday parade where you're gonna have

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24 main battle tanks and 48 armored

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vehicles rolling down Pennsylvania

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Avenue as if it were North Korea ,

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Russia , or China . What is the total

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cost to the unit at Fort Caravas of

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moving these vehicles to and from DC

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for the parade ? Um , congressman , I

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don't know the specific cost of that

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one movement . Well , I guess the total

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cost is $45 million . So would it be

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safe to say about $10 million just for

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that movement ? I , I wouldn't , I

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would hesitate to give you an exact

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number of what that movement cost . I

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mean , we have , I think , been very

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public in what it is that we expect the ,

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um , the parade to cost , uh , overall .

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We are we are to our army birthday next

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year have you included to DC roads and

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that . Estimate . We have included , we

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have put out an estimate of what we

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think everything will cost Secretary

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Driscoll , you said in your opening

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statement that it is your

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responsibility to ensure that every

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dollar the army receives contributes to

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defending this nation and for us all .

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How does the parade contribute to

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defending the nation ? Congressman , we

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think it's an incredible once in a

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lifetime opportunity to expand our

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recruiting pool and tell the amazing

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story of the United States Army and the

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impact that it's had on the lives .

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Gentleman's time expired . Chair and I

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recognize the gentleman from Georgia ,

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Mr . Scott . Thank you , Mr . Chairman .

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Gentlemen , welcome , uh , General

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George , you've heard me talk about

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this before , uh , Army Special

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Operations recruiting the 18 X-ray

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program . Uh , I'm concerned about a

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couple of specific instances where D1

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athletes that I know , uh , were not

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allowed to participate in the 18X

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program because they had , in one

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example , it was a piece of plastic in ,

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in an ankle . These are , uh , I mean ,

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when we're , when we're talking about

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athletes that are playing D one sports ,

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more oftentimes than not , they're

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gonna have some type of , of injury and ,

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uh , just want to encourage that we

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have flexibility in that 18 X-ray

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program so that these people that Have

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been able to perform at these high

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levels are allowed in and that we don't

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have this , they call it Genesis . I

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call it Exodus program , uh , kicking

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the very people out that we need going

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into our special operations forces .

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Just , um , one comment I think

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yesterday , uh , congressman , um , we

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got an update on recruiting and again

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we can look at this on our dashboard .

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I think we're over 99% or 18 X-ray for

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this year . So again , and we expect to

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get it's very important population for

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us . It's one of the 16 that the

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secretary and I track in in detail . So

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every time we get a recruiting update .

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I wouldn't argue one of the

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conversations we also just had was how

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are we , you know , look , we can look

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back into people's past much further .

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Um , to your comment on making sure

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that you know people that have been

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athletes , we have the waiver process

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and we got that , so we are definitely

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looking at that . And , and Congressman ,

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I would just say what we've tried to do

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is , and this is back to the end of

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Tent Booker remark , we are trying to

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hold a mirror up and when we are

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inadequate , uh , we wanna say it and

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we wanna fix it . Our Genesis program

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is inadequate . Our waiver program is

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inadequate , and we are trying to fix

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it . And , and of all of the comments

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that you've made , uh , it was , it was

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refreshing to hear somebody say , hey ,

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um . We , we already made a mistake in ,

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in buying this system and we don't need

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it and we're going to cancel it because

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what I've seen over the last several

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years that I've been in Congress is ,

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is we're going to spend whatever it

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takes to , To make a system work that

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in many cases we don't need , and , and

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I think if you look at the bureaucracy

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that surrounded the purchase of a 9

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millimeter pistol where it took 10

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years to pick , um , a pistol , which

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is a fine pistol , but the majority of

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the special forces teams that are able

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to pick their own weapon . Pick one

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that was readily available 10 years ago ,

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uh , and , and they blame that on

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Congress , by the way , when , when

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ultimately it was the the bureaucracy

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in the Pentagon and , and the

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purchasing requirements that led to

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that . Yes , sir . I mean we've been

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incredibly risk averse as the United

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States Army , um , when General George

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and I talk about it , um , there's

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something called the caliracci paradox

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which is basically this idea . That

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humans are willing to uh take on risk

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for extra utility or happiness and joy ,

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and we , the United States Army have

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done the opposite of that , and we have

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done a very poor job of uh being more

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risk loving than our civilian

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counterparts . I agree with you . So ,

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so let's talk about it from the counter

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drawing investments . We know how to

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build them . We know how to , we've

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watched the Ukrainians do what they can

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do with them . We watched what they can

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do with the Russians . How do you

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envision . The investment in the

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counter drone measures moving

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forward with the private sector . So ,

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so this is one of the things we talk

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about a lot and a lot of the technology

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needs to be scaled to figure out what

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is the right place on the cost curve in

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order to shoot something down and , and

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back to generative AI , the ability to

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process all of this data and

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information really quickly to figure

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out should you fire a 50 cal round at

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it or a $4 million . Exquisite , uh ,

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defense tool . We , the United States

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Army are incredibly wealthy , but , but

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that is a hard portion and so what

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we're trying to do is develop solutions

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all , all along the cost curve . So I'm ,

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I'm down to about a minute , but , but

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my vision on , on , on counter drone

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doesn't , doesn't involve , uh , taking

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it down with a projectile as much as it

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involves . Spectrum and other things

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that disrupt its ability to

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To reach its target , can I , um , it's

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gonna be , it's gonna be a combination

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of those things , Congressman . I mean ,

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to the secretary's point , when you're

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looking at cost curve and you're

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looking at a bullet and you know we ,

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it's cheap to do that and you may use

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other systems like we have a laser that

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can identify where to shoot that one

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particular bullet . So I think it's

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gonna be a combination we are looking

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at EW . there's obviously power

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challenges with that . We are looking

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at high power microwave . We are

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looking at EW . And just like we're

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talking about transforming in contact ,

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we're getting it forward , testing it

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everywhere that we can . We have a very

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big exercise in Europe , um , called

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flytrap that's this month and next that

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we are having industry as being down to

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5 seconds . I , I respect both of you .

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I do hope we're also , uh , looking at

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the Israeli sys laser system that

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they've put in place and , and the

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potential to bring that into the US .

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Great , I would point out that we

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helped pay for the research and

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development on that , uh , that laser

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research . We , we are gonna get a good

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deal , uh , but Israel is doing some

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phenomenal work on that iron beam

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technology . With that I recognized

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gentleman from Connecticut , Mr .

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Courtney . Thank you , uh , Mr .

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Chairman and thank you to both

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witnesses for , for being here this

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morning . I just wanna again follow

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briefly about . The comments the chair

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made uh about the budget process that's

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here , I mean , as we sit here today on

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June 4th , we're less than 4 months

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away from the start of the fiscal year

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and uh my staff actually did do some

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digging and if the budget was submitted

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today , which it hasn't , then , uh ,

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that would still by itself be the

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latest budget submission in history ,

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um , and certainly in in modern history

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as far as um the budget process . You

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know , the chair I think described , uh ,

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very well that this , this committee is

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straining at the leash to get going in

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terms of getting , um , a mark for NDAA ,

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and I know the appropriators are trying

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to sort of cobble together some type of

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appropriation process , but you're kind

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of shadow boxing at this point , uh ,

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without a budget and again the two of

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you are not the the decision makers in

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terms of the . That final um release ,

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but again I just think we have to

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continue to publicly pound away at the

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fact that um the OMB's gotta get moving

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and get that that document . I mean

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we're doomed at this point in terms of

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avoiding a CR . It , it , it seems

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pretty clear , uh , at this point and

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that doesn't help anybody , um , in

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terms of the mission that that you're

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trying to carry out again I just really ,

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uh , Mr . Driscoll , I have just a

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quick question regarding , um . The ,

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um , Flora uh program which again went

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through an excruciating process , um ,

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and you know the decision's been made

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and it's time to obviously move out in

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terms of the , the that helicopter

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program again , the optimistic

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estimates are 2028 for delivery , you

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know , I think some of the more other ,

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uh , guarded , uh , uh , predictions

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are 2030 . Uh , in the meantime , I

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mean , Black Hawks , um , are still ,

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um , uh , you know , carrying out their

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mission . There was , uh , in last

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year's budget , uh , request for about

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24 , I believe , um , units , um , in

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that program , and again I think that

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at the time Flower was awarded , it was

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pretty clear it was gonna be a mix of

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the two in terms of , of that and I , I

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just would want to get your thoughts in

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terms of where you see that . That sort

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of formula , uh , today , yeah , so ,

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um , great question , Congressman . So

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Flora is an incredible example I think

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of , uh , the army getting in its own

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way . The first demo or prototype or um

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exhibitor was flown in 2018 . Everybody

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loved it and we're sitting here in 2025

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without one . there's no other way to

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describe that than a failure . I think

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from where we sit today what General

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George and I have uh said to the floor

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manufacturers is this is an incredible

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opportunity to show America's might ,

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America's strength , our ability to

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build things quickly . We need this

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asset and we need it now and so we did

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a call last week with the . CEOs of the

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vast majority of the subcomponents and

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what we are trying to do is set a

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stretch goal to have the first one roll

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off the line in one year . I don't know

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that we will hit it , but we are gonna

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do our , uh , darndest to try to show

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that we can do things quickly as a

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nation again . I think to your question

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on Black Hawks , nearly everything we

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are talking about in ATI and with our

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purchasing goals is um we believe that

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we are over indexed on exquisite slower

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pieces of equipment and what we have to

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do is design things that will pull . Us

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more towards some balance that balance

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will have autonomy so Flora could be

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flown autonomously . Black Hawks today

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cannot um we don't know what the right

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mix is , but we do know that we are

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just overindexed on these other things

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and so I think the work of this

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committee and us will be to have

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productive and , uh , um , tension

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filled conversations about where that

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right balance is going forward . Thank

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you , you're back .

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Uh , Chair , gentlemen , Lee , uh ,

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yields back . Chair , I recognize

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General Lee from New York , Ms .

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Stefanik . Thank you , Mr . Chairman .

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Thank you , gentlemen for being here

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today . Secretary Driscoll , thank you

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for your service to our country ,

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particularly your service in my

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district at Fort Drum . Uh , you know ,

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you're well aware of Fort Drum's

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strategic importance and modernization

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efforts for the Army and how vital they

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are for our nation's readiness . Nearly

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every facet of the Wheeler Sack Army

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airfield has been modernized to support

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a rapid deployment force , and the

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airfield . 10,000 ft runway can

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accommodate any aircraft in the US Air

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Force inventory matching DOD's air

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defense capabilities to threats and

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deterring our enemies . Today , Fort

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Drum's Wheeler Sack Army Airfield has

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unfortunately a failing electric power

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system . And it's currently programmed

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for funding for FY 27 . I reached out

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to you via a letter about the

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importance of this issue , and I would

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just like your commitment to work with

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us about potentially moving up that

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critical funding to FY26 . Uh

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congresswoman , I deployed from that

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runway , uh , so I know it well . Um ,

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I , I commit that we will take a look

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at it and follow back up with your

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office . Thank you so much . um Fort .

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has relied on energy from the local

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power grid since closing its on Post

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energy facility in 2023 . This is an

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issue my office has been engaged in for

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a number of years . The Army Corps of

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Engineers determined that a small

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modular reactor would be an optimal

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option to supply Fort Drum's energy

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needs . This is an issue that I worked

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with my colleague Congresswoman Tenney

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who shares Jefferson County with me ,

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uh , in terms of representation . I

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would just like your commitment today

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to work with our offices to ensure Fort

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Drum returns to energy independence and

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security , including the potential

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deployment of this small modular

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reactor to the installation as soon as

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possible . Um , same answer ,

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Congresswoman . I commit we'll look at

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it and follow up quickly . Uh , and

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then lastly , in a previous NDAA , my

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office worked to secure provision that

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required DOD to review their ability to

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conduct electronic warfare training and

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leverage this defense ecosystem in

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upstate New York that we have helped

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developed between Fort Drum and the Air

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Force Research Lab in Rome , New York ,

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which I also represent . This has been

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an ideal environment and it led to the

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Army's decision to choose Fort Drum to

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host the 2nd . Multi-domain task force

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in 2025 and the PEO

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IEWNS is incredible work to partner

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with AFRL's Future Flag series of

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limited experimentation which we

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strongly supported and has led to great

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tactical outcomes . Can you speak to

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the importance of placing as much of

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the second multi-domain task force at

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Forttrum as possible to leverage this

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unique experimentation that will be

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continued between Rome and all the

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great work we're doing there ? Either

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I'll jump in on that one ,

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Congresswoman , um , first , I think

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you know we did the big exercise last

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November , you know , up there , so I'm

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really proud of what 10th Mountain is

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one of been one of our most deployed

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units anywhere in the army , and

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they're doing a phenomenal job , um ,

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right now , General Nam and , um , down

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on the border . I think what we're

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looking at is that every installation

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is gonna have to do what we started to

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do , you know , that you have helped

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with up at up at Drum . We're gonna

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have to be able to train EW . We're

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gonna have to be able to train drones

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and and working through that , um , so

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we're gonna have to expand all of those

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systems and we're certainly looking on

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this on the stationing we can come over

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and talk to you about that , um , in

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detail right now . I don't know if

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we've , uh . Made any changes or uh

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finalized any of that but happy to come

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over and walk you through that in

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detail I appreciate that this is

01:00:01.653 --> 01:00:03.653
something , yes , I appreciate that

01:00:03.653 --> 01:00:03.189
this is something my office has

01:00:03.189 --> 01:00:05.356
advocated for for a number of years to

01:00:05.356 --> 01:00:07.090
develop this defense ecosystem

01:00:07.090 --> 01:00:08.923
specifically in upstate New York

01:00:08.923 --> 01:00:10.868
because of our unique capabilities

01:00:10.868 --> 01:00:13.034
because of both Fort Drum but also the

01:00:13.034 --> 01:00:14.923
emerging technology that research

01:00:14.923 --> 01:00:17.060
that's being conducted at Rome AFRL .

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Um , I also wanna invite you ,

01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.295
Secretary Driscoll to come . Back to

01:00:21.295 --> 01:00:23.139
Fort Drum . Uh , I've hosted the

01:00:23.139 --> 01:00:25.472
president there where he signed an NDAA .

01:00:25.472 --> 01:00:27.472
I've hosted previous Secretaries of

01:00:27.472 --> 01:00:29.195
Defense . I've hosted previous

01:00:29.195 --> 01:00:31.306
Secretaries of the Army , and I would

01:00:31.306 --> 01:00:30.969
love to host , uh , and welcome you

01:00:30.969 --> 01:00:33.191
back to Fort Drum . Uh , it would be an

01:00:33.191 --> 01:00:35.247
absolute honor . Uh , my exo who was

01:00:35.247 --> 01:00:37.413
working with me , uh , when I got into

01:00:37.413 --> 01:00:39.747
office , just went up there and so , uh ,

01:00:39.747 --> 01:00:41.913
I would be delighted to visit her with

01:00:41.913 --> 01:00:41.429
you . Great , thank you . I'll take you

01:00:41.429 --> 01:00:43.040
up on that and you'll back .

01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:44.707
Gentlelay's back here and I'm

01:00:44.707 --> 01:00:46.873
recognized gentleman from California ,

01:00:46.873 --> 01:00:48.707
Mr . Carvajal . Thank you , Mr .

01:00:48.707 --> 01:00:50.929
Chairman . Uh , the army is fighting an

01:00:50.929 --> 01:00:53.096
internal battle with trying to balance

01:00:53.096 --> 01:00:55.040
modernization efforts with current

01:00:55.040 --> 01:00:57.096
needs . It seems that the army would

01:00:57.096 --> 01:00:59.207
like to modernize , but the system is

01:00:59.207 --> 01:01:01.373
slow to change . General George , what

01:01:01.373 --> 01:01:03.596
do you see as the army's most important

01:01:03.596 --> 01:01:06.399
asset ? Uh , I would say it's our

01:01:06.399 --> 01:01:08.879
people , Congressman , without a doubt ,

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.229
number one , for us and where we have

01:01:11.229 --> 01:01:13.340
to consistently focus is why we're so

01:01:13.340 --> 01:01:15.285
pleased with what we're doing with

01:01:15.285 --> 01:01:17.719
recruiting and why we're focused as as

01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:20.360
we are on making sure that we're also

01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.469
adapting them we're proud of what

01:01:22.469 --> 01:01:24.469
they're doing we're getting a great

01:01:24.469 --> 01:01:26.770
group in . Thank you , great answer . I

01:01:26.770 --> 01:01:29.600
agree with you uh in your testimony you

01:01:29.600 --> 01:01:31.879
mentioned that you are investing in

01:01:31.889 --> 01:01:34.199
installations including prioritizing

01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.409
barracks . It was recently reported

01:01:36.409 --> 01:01:38.530
that $1 billion of funding meant for

01:01:38.530 --> 01:01:41.290
barrack renovations is being redirected

01:01:41.290 --> 01:01:43.512
to the mission at the southern border .

01:01:43.810 --> 01:01:45.699
Will taking funding away from the

01:01:45.699 --> 01:01:47.754
barracks delay the timeline in which

01:01:47.754 --> 01:01:49.810
they are upgraded ? And do you think

01:01:49.810 --> 01:01:51.921
postponing these types of renovations

01:01:51.921 --> 01:01:54.370
will have an impact on the morale and

01:01:54.370 --> 01:01:58.360
retention ? Um , first , I mean , I

01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.949
just want to mention the retention word

01:02:00.949 --> 01:02:03.060
kind of triggered me here . We're , I

01:02:03.060 --> 01:02:05.270
think at 6 months in we met our

01:02:05.270 --> 01:02:07.492
retention goals for this year as well ,

01:02:07.492 --> 01:02:09.826
so we're doing very well with retention .

01:02:09.826 --> 01:02:11.937
Um , of course we want to continue to

01:02:11.937 --> 01:02:14.103
improve our barracks and we're , we're

01:02:14.103 --> 01:02:15.992
gonna continue to do that . We've

01:02:15.992 --> 01:02:18.159
talked about that . A lot . I do think

01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:17.879
that that's another area we can

01:02:17.879 --> 01:02:20.250
probably spend our money better , um ,

01:02:20.260 --> 01:02:22.159
in that there's a lot of uh

01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:24.381
restrictions that we have as far as how

01:02:24.381 --> 01:02:27.219
we're our costs are like 68% higher

01:02:27.520 --> 01:02:29.520
than what you would get outside the

01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:31.631
gate . We are looking at , um , we've

01:02:31.631 --> 01:02:33.687
done 3D printing and that's happened

01:02:33.687 --> 01:02:35.853
down in Texas of barracks that I think

01:02:35.853 --> 01:02:38.239
we can provide great . Systems beyond

01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:40.183
that I think what we're looking at

01:02:40.183 --> 01:02:42.739
holistically is that every installation

01:02:42.739 --> 01:02:44.961
is different and every installation has

01:02:44.961 --> 01:02:47.610
different requirements um when I was at

01:02:47.610 --> 01:02:50.080
up at Lewis , very different than you

01:02:50.080 --> 01:02:52.247
know than it is at Bragg and so that's

01:02:52.247 --> 01:02:54.580
where we're trying to be very . General ,

01:02:54.580 --> 01:02:56.858
I appreciate the extensive uh response ,

01:02:56.858 --> 01:02:59.110
but will redirecting a billion dollars

01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.679
impact the ability to do the

01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:04.669
renovations at the barracks ? It's just

01:03:04.669 --> 01:03:06.429
a yes or no answer . Obviously

01:03:06.429 --> 01:03:08.651
redirecting has an impact . You have to

01:03:08.651 --> 01:03:10.651
make choices , Congressman . So the

01:03:10.651 --> 01:03:14.610
answer is yes . If we took a billion

01:03:14.610 --> 01:03:16.721
dollars out of barracks , we would be

01:03:16.721 --> 01:03:18.943
able to fix less barracks . Thank you .

01:03:18.943 --> 01:03:20.832
That's what I was looking for and

01:03:20.832 --> 01:03:22.777
Congressman , uh , that this is an

01:03:22.777 --> 01:03:24.943
issue that it's OK . I'll get to you .

01:03:24.943 --> 01:03:27.221
I , I got the answer I was looking for .

01:03:27.221 --> 01:03:29.277
Secretary Driscoll . I assume you're

01:03:29.277 --> 01:03:31.221
aware of a parade coming up , uh ,

01:03:31.221 --> 01:03:32.943
celebrating the birthday which

01:03:32.943 --> 01:03:34.888
coincides with another interesting

01:03:34.888 --> 01:03:37.129
birthday . The estimated cost of this

01:03:37.129 --> 01:03:40.409
is $45 million . It is interesting . It

01:03:40.409 --> 01:03:42.409
is an interesting time to spend 45

01:03:42.409 --> 01:03:44.330
million on a parade when all the

01:03:44.330 --> 01:03:47.610
services are subject to an 8% budget

01:03:47.610 --> 01:03:50.870
cut . If Congress wrote the Army a

01:03:50.870 --> 01:03:54.139
$45 million blank check , do you think

01:03:54.139 --> 01:03:56.195
you could find a better way to spend

01:03:56.195 --> 01:03:58.250
that money than a parade ? And could

01:03:58.250 --> 01:04:00.750
$45 million deliver any quality of life

01:04:00.750 --> 01:04:02.969
improvements or capabilities that the

01:04:02.969 --> 01:04:06.429
war fighters need ? Congressman , very

01:04:06.429 --> 01:04:08.485
sincerely , I think we as the United

01:04:08.485 --> 01:04:10.709
States have an amazing opportunity to

01:04:10.709 --> 01:04:13.229
tell a story of an institution that is

01:04:13.229 --> 01:04:15.340
older than our country itself . It is

01:04:15.340 --> 01:04:17.830
an institution I understand and I , I

01:04:17.830 --> 01:04:19.997
believe very specifically that telling

01:04:19.997 --> 01:04:21.941
that story will directly lead to a

01:04:21.941 --> 01:04:24.163
recruiting boom . That will fill up our

01:04:24.163 --> 01:04:26.163
pipeline for the coming years and I

01:04:26.163 --> 01:04:28.386
believe when we we are marketing budget

01:04:28.386 --> 01:04:30.163
we would spend to recruit those

01:04:30.163 --> 01:04:32.219
soldiers . I think our team believes

01:04:32.219 --> 01:04:34.441
that the investment of these dollars to

01:04:34.441 --> 01:04:37.294
tell that story will directly lead to a

01:04:37.294 --> 01:04:39.415
good measurable quantitative outcome

01:04:39.415 --> 01:04:41.830
for the army . So you're looking at

01:04:41.830 --> 01:04:45.219
this as a recruitment . Tool , yes ,

01:04:45.419 --> 01:04:47.641
Congressman , and you think it's better

01:04:47.641 --> 01:04:49.863
spent there than supporting the quality

01:04:49.863 --> 01:04:52.141
of life for war fighters ? Congressman ,

01:04:52.141 --> 01:04:54.252
I think we , we have to spend on both

01:04:54.252 --> 01:04:56.419
as General George said . I mean , we ,

01:04:56.419 --> 01:04:58.419
we run our budget , um , we have to

01:04:58.419 --> 01:05:00.697
make these hard decisions all the time .

01:05:00.697 --> 01:05:02.808
I think it would be a massive tragedy

01:05:02.808 --> 01:05:02.540
to let this moment pass where we can

01:05:02.540 --> 01:05:05.370
tell this story and inculcate an entire

01:05:05.370 --> 01:05:07.481
generation of youth into this amazing

01:05:07.481 --> 01:05:09.648
story that is the United States Army .

01:05:09.909 --> 01:05:11.853
I find that very interesting , but

01:05:11.853 --> 01:05:14.076
thank you . The army is touting a total

01:05:14.076 --> 01:05:16.370
change to the force via deliberate

01:05:16.370 --> 01:05:18.379
information , transformation and

01:05:18.379 --> 01:05:21.000
acquisition reform . General George ,

01:05:21.219 --> 01:05:23.275
are these efforts actually coming to

01:05:23.275 --> 01:05:26.179
fruition and can they be scaled to the

01:05:26.179 --> 01:05:28.235
level that you are expecting without

01:05:28.235 --> 01:05:30.401
interruptions to the service members ?

01:05:32.090 --> 01:05:34.312
Actually , uh , all the feedback that I

01:05:34.312 --> 01:05:36.534
get , Congressman , everywhere we go is

01:05:36.534 --> 01:05:38.646
that we need to do this faster , that

01:05:38.646 --> 01:05:40.812
we need to transform faster . I mean ,

01:05:40.812 --> 01:05:42.923
the challenge is , you know , kind of

01:05:42.923 --> 01:05:42.489
the question back is , you know , can

01:05:42.489 --> 01:05:44.889
we do this back up here ? We need to ,

01:05:44.929 --> 01:05:47.090
we do need to stop buying obsolete

01:05:47.090 --> 01:05:49.146
equipment . We're gonna need to make

01:05:49.146 --> 01:05:51.423
the changes . Gentleman's time expired .

01:05:51.423 --> 01:05:53.534
Chair and I recognized gentleman from

01:05:53.534 --> 01:05:55.646
Tennessee , Doctor DesJarlais . Thank

01:05:55.646 --> 01:05:57.757
you , Chairman and thank you both for

01:05:57.757 --> 01:05:59.868
being here today . Uh , gonna deviate

01:05:59.868 --> 01:06:01.812
from my original questions just to

01:06:01.812 --> 01:06:03.979
touch on drones considering , uh , you

01:06:03.979 --> 01:06:06.146
know what happened in Ukraine . Uh , I

01:06:06.146 --> 01:06:08.479
was just recently at Oak Ridge Y12 , uh ,

01:06:08.479 --> 01:06:10.701
this past week and , and looking at the

01:06:10.701 --> 01:06:12.868
facility there and , and all the other

01:06:12.868 --> 01:06:15.034
facilities around the country that are

01:06:15.034 --> 01:06:17.600
critical to protect , uh , has the army

01:06:17.600 --> 01:06:19.919
stepped up its posture in response to .

01:06:20.399 --> 01:06:22.455
Uh , the threat from drones , I know

01:06:22.455 --> 01:06:24.677
domestically we have domestic terrorism

01:06:24.677 --> 01:06:26.899
acts and we know abroad we get attacked

01:06:26.899 --> 01:06:29.066
at our bases in the Middle East . Uh ,

01:06:29.066 --> 01:06:31.232
what is the rules of engagement on the

01:06:31.232 --> 01:06:33.870
the military bases and high risk

01:06:34.919 --> 01:06:38.429
sites such as as our nuclear production

01:06:38.429 --> 01:06:38.919
sites ?

01:06:42.739 --> 01:06:44.961
So first I think you'll see congressman

01:06:44.961 --> 01:06:47.560
that um we this is an area we want that

01:06:47.560 --> 01:06:49.840
we are very focused on that we need to

01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:51.729
spend more money on again I would

01:06:51.729 --> 01:06:53.840
describe it as a capability portfolio

01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.007
where we don't need one system . I was

01:06:56.007 --> 01:06:58.062
kind of explaining that earlier it's

01:06:58.062 --> 01:07:00.284
gonna be a broad base of things that we

01:07:00.284 --> 01:07:02.396
need to do um how we're gonna do that

01:07:02.396 --> 01:07:04.618
in a combat zone is very different than

01:07:04.618 --> 01:07:04.590
how we would do that in the states ,

01:07:04.600 --> 01:07:06.656
obviously . Doing that in the states

01:07:06.656 --> 01:07:08.656
and we're working um obviously with

01:07:08.656 --> 01:07:12.469
NorthCO you're talking about FAA FCC ,

01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:14.667
you know , with , with everything else

01:07:14.667 --> 01:07:16.611
that's going on and so we're we're

01:07:16.611 --> 01:07:18.611
continually working through that um

01:07:18.611 --> 01:07:20.667
there is legislation , you know , on

01:07:20.667 --> 01:07:22.889
that as far as the 130I which I'm , I'm

01:07:22.889 --> 01:07:25.111
sure you're familiar with , um , that I

01:07:25.111 --> 01:07:27.222
think we need to make some changes to

01:07:27.222 --> 01:07:29.333
and , and we are , you know , working

01:07:29.333 --> 01:07:31.556
with NorthCO joint staff and OSD . Um ,

01:07:31.556 --> 01:07:33.389
to get that up , but we are very

01:07:33.389 --> 01:07:35.556
focused on this , and as I mentioned ,

01:07:35.556 --> 01:07:37.611
we're doing a very large exercise in

01:07:37.611 --> 01:07:39.722
this with all kinds of industry and ,

01:07:39.722 --> 01:07:41.722
and everybody , um , this month and

01:07:41.722 --> 01:07:44.169
next . Um , and you showed us some

01:07:44.169 --> 01:07:46.336
examples of that when a large group of

01:07:46.336 --> 01:07:48.447
us visited you in Austin and , and in

01:07:48.447 --> 01:07:50.447
your opening statement , I found it

01:07:50.447 --> 01:07:52.447
striking how far , uh , focused the

01:07:52.447 --> 01:07:54.669
army has been on procurement , uh , and

01:07:54.669 --> 01:07:56.891
adaptability . Uh , as we've seen , the

01:07:56.891 --> 01:07:59.058
modern battlefield has undergone rapid

01:07:59.058 --> 01:08:01.169
changes over the past few years , and

01:08:01.169 --> 01:08:03.280
because of this , uh , the , the need

01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.899
to procure things better , faster ,

01:08:06.189 --> 01:08:08.356
cheaper , and more reliable has become

01:08:08.356 --> 01:08:10.578
critically important as we work to keep

01:08:10.578 --> 01:08:12.745
our warfighters equipped for success .

01:08:12.745 --> 01:08:14.467
Uh , this has been something .

01:08:14.467 --> 01:08:16.578
Something that the committee has been

01:08:16.578 --> 01:08:18.689
laser focused on under the leadership

01:08:18.689 --> 01:08:20.800
of Chairman Rogers and ranking member

01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:22.689
Smith uh for this year's NDA . So

01:08:22.689 --> 01:08:24.911
General George , what have been some of

01:08:24.911 --> 01:08:27.022
the most notable successes or lessons

01:08:27.022 --> 01:08:29.022
learned from the transformation and

01:08:29.022 --> 01:08:31.189
contract initiative that can help this

01:08:31.189 --> 01:08:33.411
committee enable our military to become

01:08:33.411 --> 01:08:35.270
a more lethal and agile force .

01:08:36.660 --> 01:08:39.029
Um , I could go on a long time about

01:08:39.029 --> 01:08:41.196
this , Congressman . I think , um , we

01:08:41.196 --> 01:08:43.418
have this last rotation that we had had

01:08:43.418 --> 01:08:45.529
close to 400 drones in it down at the

01:08:45.529 --> 01:08:47.585
joint readiness Training center . So

01:08:47.585 --> 01:08:49.640
obviously , you know , infusing them

01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:51.751
with technology , drones , autonomous

01:08:51.751 --> 01:08:53.696
systems , counter UAS , what we're

01:08:53.696 --> 01:08:53.589
doing to change the network , the

01:08:53.589 --> 01:08:55.756
secretary mentioned that this is about

01:08:55.756 --> 01:08:57.811
being data centric and being able to

01:08:57.811 --> 01:09:00.700
pass all these systems moving . Um , a

01:09:00.700 --> 01:09:02.756
lot of it though we're learning from

01:09:02.756 --> 01:09:04.922
the modern battlefield is changing how

01:09:04.922 --> 01:09:06.700
you train and operate , getting

01:09:06.700 --> 01:09:08.589
understanding how that you can be

01:09:08.589 --> 01:09:10.811
viewed , um , there's really nowhere to

01:09:10.811 --> 01:09:12.922
hide and all of our what we are doing

01:09:12.922 --> 01:09:14.367
right now is changing our

01:09:14.367 --> 01:09:16.200
organizational construct as well

01:09:16.200 --> 01:09:18.200
because we're gonna have to be more

01:09:18.200 --> 01:09:20.256
dispersed , um . More mobile and and

01:09:20.256 --> 01:09:22.422
we're working through all of those and

01:09:22.422 --> 01:09:24.478
we've made a lot of those changes we

01:09:24.478 --> 01:09:26.533
just now need to scale those changes

01:09:26.533 --> 01:09:28.533
across the army and that's what ATI

01:09:28.533 --> 01:09:30.533
will help us do and Congressman , I

01:09:30.533 --> 01:09:32.756
think the way General George and I talk

01:09:32.756 --> 01:09:34.922
about this is this this paradigm shift

01:09:34.922 --> 01:09:37.033
between software and hardware we have

01:09:37.033 --> 01:09:38.978
created hardware that has required

01:09:38.978 --> 01:09:41.144
software to function . We need our new

01:09:41.144 --> 01:09:42.978
hardware systems to basically be

01:09:42.978 --> 01:09:44.922
software led and just the software

01:09:44.922 --> 01:09:46.700
manifesting . The world as this

01:09:46.700 --> 01:09:48.700
hardware because if we can't update

01:09:48.700 --> 01:09:50.811
these systems in near real time , the

01:09:50.811 --> 01:09:52.867
enemy is going to be able to disable

01:09:52.867 --> 01:09:55.089
them and we're taking that into account

01:09:55.089 --> 01:09:57.144
every decision we're making . And if

01:09:57.144 --> 01:09:59.200
you can both you in one minute we've

01:09:59.200 --> 01:10:01.311
been working for with the army and in

01:10:01.311 --> 01:10:03.478
the past , General Thurgood to address

01:10:03.478 --> 01:10:05.700
the persistent Manning shortfall across

01:10:05.700 --> 01:10:07.811
our Patriot battalions . Well there's

01:10:07.811 --> 01:10:09.811
been progress , there's still major

01:10:09.811 --> 01:10:11.922
challenges that remain as we start to

01:10:11.922 --> 01:10:11.862
stand up Golden Dome and try to figure

01:10:11.862 --> 01:10:13.973
out what . That looks like , uh , how

01:10:13.973 --> 01:10:16.084
is that going ? What are you doing to

01:10:16.084 --> 01:10:17.973
manage that and , and get us in a

01:10:17.973 --> 01:10:20.195
better position ? 30 seconds . So we're

01:10:20.195 --> 01:10:23.175
doing really well on uh ADA folks that

01:10:23.175 --> 01:10:25.695
are coming into our formation , um , so

01:10:25.695 --> 01:10:27.917
we're pleased with that and we're gonna

01:10:27.917 --> 01:10:30.028
continue to keep the gas , you know ,

01:10:30.028 --> 01:10:32.084
uh keep the , you know , foot on the

01:10:32.084 --> 01:10:34.306
pedal on that . The other thing is that

01:10:34.306 --> 01:10:36.528
technology is looking at how we can use

01:10:36.528 --> 01:10:38.639
technology to reduce demanding inside

01:10:38.639 --> 01:10:38.136
these formations and we put some new

01:10:38.136 --> 01:10:40.358
equipment out . And we're happy to come

01:10:40.358 --> 01:10:42.692
over and talk to you about that as well .

01:10:42.692 --> 01:10:44.914
OK , love to have an update . Thank you

01:10:44.914 --> 01:10:46.803
both . The gentlemans who hand is

01:10:46.803 --> 01:10:48.969
recognized for 5 minutes . Thank you ,

01:10:48.969 --> 01:10:51.192
Mr . Chair and thank you . It's nice to

01:10:51.192 --> 01:10:53.469
see you again , general , and it would ,

01:10:53.469 --> 01:10:53.310
I really look forward to getting to

01:10:53.310 --> 01:10:55.143
know you a little bit better and

01:10:55.143 --> 01:10:57.879
appreciate the um . The idea that you

01:10:57.879 --> 01:11:00.049
have brought with you uh a spirit of

01:11:00.049 --> 01:11:02.216
bipartisanship that's something that's

01:11:02.216 --> 01:11:04.327
really important here and speaking of

01:11:04.327 --> 01:11:06.327
bipartisanship , I have a couple of

01:11:06.327 --> 01:11:08.549
questions that I hope you might be able

01:11:08.549 --> 01:11:10.493
to help me with . Um , recently we

01:11:10.493 --> 01:11:10.379
decided to make sure that there were

01:11:10.379 --> 01:11:12.750
gender neutral fit fitness tests and we

01:11:12.750 --> 01:11:14.806
implemented those and it's something

01:11:14.806 --> 01:11:16.861
that I've been . Supportive of since

01:11:16.861 --> 01:11:18.806
I've been here in Congress , I was

01:11:18.806 --> 01:11:20.972
hoping that I might be able to get you

01:11:20.972 --> 01:11:23.194
Secretary and you , general , uh , your

01:11:23.194 --> 01:11:22.765
opinions on whether or not you can

01:11:22.765 --> 01:11:24.932
indeed commit that women will continue

01:11:24.932 --> 01:11:26.876
to be allowed to be Rangers , will

01:11:26.876 --> 01:11:29.154
continue to be allowed in the infantry ,

01:11:29.154 --> 01:11:31.265
uh , and continue to be allowed to be

01:11:31.265 --> 01:11:33.543
trained for those particular positions .

01:11:34.240 --> 01:11:36.351
Congresswoman , uh , I , I'll hand it

01:11:36.351 --> 01:11:38.184
to General George just so he can

01:11:38.184 --> 01:11:40.351
confirm , uh , what I'm about to say ,

01:11:40.351 --> 01:11:42.518
which is , um , my , my seven year old

01:11:42.518 --> 01:11:44.684
daughter Lila , um , she wants to join

01:11:44.684 --> 01:11:46.851
the army since I've , I've been here ,

01:11:46.851 --> 01:11:49.073
and I hope that she gets to try out and

01:11:49.073 --> 01:11:48.950
if she can maintain the excellent

01:11:48.950 --> 01:11:51.061
standard to join those types of units

01:11:51.061 --> 01:11:53.172
and she wants to , I hope she has the

01:11:53.172 --> 01:11:55.283
opportunity to , um , I have not been

01:11:55.283 --> 01:11:57.394
part of , and I don't believe General

01:11:57.394 --> 01:11:59.617
George has a single conversation . That

01:11:59.617 --> 01:12:01.783
has made me believe that it a man or a

01:12:01.783 --> 01:12:03.950
woman that can meet those standards of

01:12:03.950 --> 01:12:03.040
excellence that they wouldn't have

01:12:03.040 --> 01:12:05.399
those opportunities , and I , I don't

01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:07.399
know if you've heard , uh , I agree

01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:09.750
we've not had any discussion about this .

01:12:09.879 --> 01:12:12.046
Um , you've there's probably a podcast

01:12:12.046 --> 01:12:14.157
that I can share with you where a lot

01:12:14.157 --> 01:12:16.268
of our , you know , soldiers , female

01:12:16.268 --> 01:12:18.379
soldiers were out there talking about

01:12:18.379 --> 01:12:20.435
the changes in this . And that was a

01:12:20.435 --> 01:12:22.546
lot of the feedback that I got inside

01:12:22.546 --> 01:12:24.657
this as well , so , um , they're very

01:12:24.657 --> 01:12:24.540
happy with the standards and , and ,

01:12:24.620 --> 01:12:26.620
and where they're going and they're

01:12:26.620 --> 01:12:28.564
doing very well in our units and I

01:12:28.564 --> 01:12:30.676
would also um tell you is that we are

01:12:30.676 --> 01:12:34.220
uh we've also recruited more female

01:12:34.220 --> 01:12:36.500
soldiers into the army over this last

01:12:36.500 --> 01:12:38.611
year as well . So effectively you are

01:12:38.611 --> 01:12:40.389
both committing that women will

01:12:40.389 --> 01:12:42.611
continue to be allowed to be trained in

01:12:42.611 --> 01:12:44.959
those particular positions . As far as

01:12:44.959 --> 01:12:47.126
I know , Congressman , Congresswoman ,

01:12:47.126 --> 01:12:49.070
we have not had any conversation .

01:12:49.070 --> 01:12:51.181
There is actually a reason I'm asking

01:12:51.181 --> 01:12:53.292
because there are conversations above

01:12:53.292 --> 01:12:55.459
you that this indeed will end up being

01:12:55.459 --> 01:12:57.626
in at threat , and I really wanna make

01:12:57.626 --> 01:12:59.848
sure that I hold you to that commitment

01:12:59.848 --> 01:13:01.903
because if people meet the standards

01:13:01.903 --> 01:13:04.070
they meet the standards . Um , my next

01:13:04.070 --> 01:13:06.237
question has to do with something that

01:13:06.237 --> 01:13:05.959
Mr . Garamundi touched on . I spent a

01:13:05.959 --> 01:13:08.126
lot of time , as you know , on quality

01:13:08.126 --> 01:13:09.959
of life issues bipartisanly with

01:13:09.959 --> 01:13:12.181
Representative Bacon . And one of those

01:13:12.181 --> 01:13:14.403
pieces of legislation that we were able

01:13:14.403 --> 01:13:14.350
to get through was for barracks

01:13:14.350 --> 01:13:16.770
improvement , uh , to make it , uh ,

01:13:16.779 --> 01:13:18.890
possible that we were able to fund uh

01:13:18.890 --> 01:13:20.668
and improve the barracks . Mr .

01:13:20.668 --> 01:13:22.723
Garamundi mentioned , and it is true

01:13:22.723 --> 01:13:24.723
that a billion dollars for barracks

01:13:24.723 --> 01:13:26.946
improvement has been moved and moved to

01:13:26.946 --> 01:13:29.057
the border , which would seem to be .

01:13:29.057 --> 01:13:31.112
Counter to the law that we literally

01:13:31.112 --> 01:13:33.225
just passed when um Mr . Garamundi

01:13:33.225 --> 01:13:35.424
asked it both of you seem to not be

01:13:35.424 --> 01:13:38.225
aware of that particular movement are

01:13:38.225 --> 01:13:40.281
would you be able to check into that

01:13:40.281 --> 01:13:42.447
for me because it seems as though that

01:13:42.447 --> 01:13:44.558
this is really , really important and

01:13:44.558 --> 01:13:47.470
literally counter against the law . We ,

01:13:47.549 --> 01:13:49.382
we can follow back up with you ,

01:13:49.382 --> 01:13:51.549
Congresswoman . I just want to echo um

01:13:51.549 --> 01:13:53.771
what General George said earlier like ,

01:13:53.771 --> 01:13:55.993
um , these issues matter deeply to us .

01:13:55.993 --> 01:13:58.216
General George is currently a soldier .

01:13:58.216 --> 01:14:00.438
I was my , my daughter is named after a

01:14:00.438 --> 01:14:02.605
current soldier's daughter . They live

01:14:02.605 --> 01:14:04.716
in army and military housing . I care

01:14:04.716 --> 01:14:06.827
deeply about this population and so ,

01:14:06.827 --> 01:14:06.629
um , we commit to following . I do as

01:14:06.629 --> 01:14:08.685
well , having grown up in a military

01:14:08.685 --> 01:14:10.573
family and served in the military

01:14:10.573 --> 01:14:12.685
myself . I very much think that where

01:14:12.685 --> 01:14:14.685
you live really , really matters to

01:14:14.685 --> 01:14:16.740
your quality of life . And it is not

01:14:16.740 --> 01:14:18.685
about this is about color of money

01:14:18.685 --> 01:14:20.907
issues and it seems to me that there is

01:14:20.907 --> 01:14:20.870
no way that we should be allowed to

01:14:20.870 --> 01:14:22.981
move a billion dollars worth of money

01:14:22.981 --> 01:14:25.203
from barracks that we've worked so hard

01:14:25.203 --> 01:14:27.370
to give you , uh , into something like

01:14:27.370 --> 01:14:29.370
the border . I'm gonna move on with

01:14:29.370 --> 01:14:31.592
what's left of my question um , General

01:14:31.592 --> 01:14:33.426
George , you talked about , uh ,

01:14:33.426 --> 01:14:35.592
recruiting and as secretary you did as

01:14:35.592 --> 01:14:37.814
well and that you've met the recruiting

01:14:37.814 --> 01:14:39.926
goals and I think that's terrific and

01:14:39.926 --> 01:14:42.037
very much worthy of the applause that

01:14:42.037 --> 01:14:41.870
that I . I think we that you got

01:14:41.870 --> 01:14:44.092
bipartisanly on this , but would you be

01:14:44.092 --> 01:14:46.314
able to also confirm that this momentum

01:14:46.314 --> 01:14:48.481
is also attributable to the past years

01:14:48.481 --> 01:14:50.430
and the past administration in the

01:14:50.430 --> 01:14:53.209
future soldier preparatory , uh , uh ,

01:14:53.270 --> 01:14:55.437
organization and effort that we've had

01:14:55.437 --> 01:14:57.548
in streamlining entrance processes in

01:14:57.548 --> 01:14:59.659
refining waivers , medical waivers in

01:14:59.659 --> 01:15:01.492
recruiting and training stronger

01:15:01.492 --> 01:15:03.326
recruiters , will you be able to

01:15:03.326 --> 01:15:05.548
confirm that this is a long time coming

01:15:05.548 --> 01:15:07.603
and not something that just happened

01:15:07.603 --> 01:15:09.603
over the last several months . Um ,

01:15:09.603 --> 01:15:09.270
Congresswoman , I went down and visited

01:15:09.270 --> 01:15:11.437
the future soldier Prep course at Fort

01:15:11.437 --> 01:15:13.669
Jackson . Um , and it very sincerely ,

01:15:13.709 --> 01:15:15.876
there have been a couple of moments in

01:15:15.876 --> 01:15:18.209
this job that have just touched my soul ,

01:15:18.209 --> 01:15:20.320
um , seeing the soldiers and how that

01:15:20.320 --> 01:15:22.542
is , the soldiers who go to that have a

01:15:22.542 --> 01:15:22.350
wide wall about basically how they need

01:15:22.350 --> 01:15:24.406
to overcome their challenges to join

01:15:24.406 --> 01:15:26.294
the army . The outcomes for those

01:15:26.294 --> 01:15:28.517
soldiers has been great , um , and that

01:15:28.517 --> 01:15:30.739
has been a spectacular program that has

01:15:30.739 --> 01:15:32.906
been conducted over the last couple of

01:15:32.906 --> 01:15:32.629
years as well as the medical waivers .

01:15:32.779 --> 01:15:34.946
As well as getting better recruiters ,

01:15:34.946 --> 01:15:37.112
am I correct ? Correct . Thank you . I

01:15:37.112 --> 01:15:38.890
have very little time left , so

01:15:38.890 --> 01:15:41.001
unfortunately I will have to ask this

01:15:41.001 --> 01:15:43.057
last question for the record , which

01:15:43.057 --> 01:15:44.946
generally has to do with the 1000

01:15:44.946 --> 01:15:47.001
layoffs that are in the headquarters

01:15:47.001 --> 01:15:48.946
and who are they and and how we're

01:15:48.946 --> 01:15:51.168
gonna be accommodating for that . Thank

01:15:51.168 --> 01:15:53.001
you . I yield . The genies times

01:15:53.001 --> 01:15:52.930
expired . Major General Kelly is now

01:15:52.930 --> 01:15:55.439
recognized . Thank you , Mr . Chairman .

01:15:55.729 --> 01:15:57.785
I , I wanna start with , what is the

01:15:57.785 --> 01:16:00.169
most important , uh , asset that the

01:16:00.169 --> 01:16:04.129
army has ? It's one word , people .

01:16:04.299 --> 01:16:06.410
There you go . Soldiers . All right .

01:16:06.580 --> 01:16:09.299
Esprita Corps , heraldry , all those

01:16:09.299 --> 01:16:11.410
things , are they important part of a

01:16:11.410 --> 01:16:13.580
unit , uh , and , and recruiting and

01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:15.580
keeping people and retaining ? It's

01:16:15.580 --> 01:16:17.747
crucial , Congressman . OK . And we do

01:16:17.747 --> 01:16:19.691
twilight tattoos . The Navy does a

01:16:19.691 --> 01:16:21.858
thing where they have the Marine Corps

01:16:21.858 --> 01:16:23.969
and ships on the deck out in the , on

01:16:23.969 --> 01:16:26.080
the American coast . Uh , is a parade

01:16:26.080 --> 01:16:30.049
important for a sprit de corps ? We

01:16:30.049 --> 01:16:32.049
do a lot of these , uh , across the

01:16:32.049 --> 01:16:34.216
country I mean with Gen knights , so I

01:16:34.216 --> 01:16:37.049
say yes all of this and also I , I bet

01:16:37.049 --> 01:16:39.129
we will have a , uh , army birthday

01:16:39.129 --> 01:16:41.351
celebration next week right here in the

01:16:41.351 --> 01:16:43.407
capital and numerous other places to

01:16:43.407 --> 01:16:45.629
celebrate our history and heraldry . Is

01:16:45.629 --> 01:16:47.962
that correct ? That's correct . And the ,

01:16:47.962 --> 01:16:50.129
and the planning congressman started ,

01:16:50.129 --> 01:16:52.351
uh , years ago . And as an ROTC cadet ,

01:16:52.351 --> 01:16:54.462
they did Calfax , uh , uh , exercises

01:16:54.462 --> 01:16:56.685
to , uh , get us to want to be on tanks

01:16:56.685 --> 01:16:58.462
or fly helicopters or do or see

01:16:58.462 --> 01:17:01.009
artillery fire or CA-10s come in . Uh ,

01:17:01.169 --> 01:17:03.336
those are important part of recruiting

01:17:03.336 --> 01:17:05.819
and retention , right ? Yes , sir . So

01:17:05.819 --> 01:17:07.541
this parade kind of matters to

01:17:07.541 --> 01:17:09.652
recruiting and retention and heraldry

01:17:09.652 --> 01:17:11.986
and all those things , right ? Uh , yes ,

01:17:11.986 --> 01:17:14.229
sir . All right . I want to talk a

01:17:14.229 --> 01:17:16.285
little bit . We talk about diverting

01:17:16.285 --> 01:17:18.229
the money , but safe neighborhoods

01:17:18.229 --> 01:17:20.285
matter too , right ? And not housing

01:17:20.285 --> 01:17:22.507
people who are not here legally in army

01:17:22.507 --> 01:17:25.379
barracks , that matters , right ? A

01:17:25.379 --> 01:17:27.490
safe border is incredibly important ,

01:17:27.490 --> 01:17:29.323
Congressman . Absolutely and not

01:17:29.323 --> 01:17:31.546
housing people who shouldn't be on army

01:17:31.546 --> 01:17:33.546
bases , on R&B bases and putting at

01:17:33.546 --> 01:17:35.601
risk our warriors that matters too ,

01:17:35.601 --> 01:17:37.546
right ? Everything related to that

01:17:37.546 --> 01:17:39.546
border , Congressman . So I want to

01:17:39.546 --> 01:17:41.712
talk a bit a little bureaucracy , OK ?

01:17:41.712 --> 01:17:41.700
You got a 3D printer who just built

01:17:41.700 --> 01:17:44.379
some buildings at bliss . Uh , do you

01:17:44.379 --> 01:17:46.779
think urinal flows go to the strength

01:17:46.779 --> 01:17:49.850
and reliability of a building ? urinal

01:17:49.850 --> 01:17:53.709
flows . And that the answer is no . OK .

01:17:53.879 --> 01:17:56.120
We literally slowed down production and

01:17:56.120 --> 01:17:58.120
did extra testing because we had to

01:17:58.120 --> 01:18:00.342
test urinal flows . That would apply to

01:18:00.342 --> 01:18:02.509
every building's not just 3D printed ,

01:18:02.509 --> 01:18:05.430
right ? I , I was , there are a lot of

01:18:05.430 --> 01:18:07.652
challenges I think , um , Congressman ,

01:18:07.652 --> 01:18:09.541
with how we're , you know , we're

01:18:09.541 --> 01:18:11.708
building buildings compared to outside

01:18:11.708 --> 01:18:13.930
and we've been , you know , over on the

01:18:13.930 --> 01:18:13.430
hill trying to , you know , explain

01:18:13.430 --> 01:18:15.589
what those are . I , I would just

01:18:15.589 --> 01:18:18.669
suggest when people put false things in

01:18:18.669 --> 01:18:20.589
there to make , uh , to make

01:18:20.589 --> 01:18:22.645
requirements longer that we probably

01:18:22.645 --> 01:18:24.811
find them another job or no job . uh ,

01:18:24.811 --> 01:18:27.069
when you wanna do hurricane strength

01:18:27.069 --> 01:18:29.549
testing in the desert , I would suggest

01:18:29.549 --> 01:18:31.669
that's not the best use of our people

01:18:31.669 --> 01:18:34.240
or our assets . I want to go a little

01:18:34.240 --> 01:18:36.351
bit , General George , and I'm really

01:18:36.351 --> 01:18:38.684
concerned about this and Mr . Secretary ,

01:18:38.684 --> 01:18:40.851
um , I hear us talking about moving AH

01:18:40.851 --> 01:18:43.120
64 echo models and I , I hear that

01:18:43.120 --> 01:18:45.479
we're going to the , uh , mic model in

01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.000
U860s . What I want to make sure that

01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.160
we're not doing now is that we filled

01:18:50.160 --> 01:18:52.382
one thing on the active component . And

01:18:52.382 --> 01:18:54.975
the lesser alternative , the secondary ,

01:18:55.205 --> 01:18:57.765
the old strategic reserve thing to the

01:18:57.765 --> 01:18:59.987
National Guard and Reserve , it matters

01:18:59.987 --> 01:19:02.154
when we fight . We do not have a large

01:19:02.154 --> 01:19:04.265
enough army to fight . We have to all

01:19:04.265 --> 01:19:06.376
fight at one time or be prepared to .

01:19:06.376 --> 01:19:08.709
Do , do y'all agree with that ? I agree .

01:19:08.709 --> 01:19:10.932
And I just want to explain if , uh , on

01:19:10.932 --> 01:19:13.754
the details , actually , uh , we are ,

01:19:13.845 --> 01:19:16.044
there are some reductions of the 64

01:19:16.044 --> 01:19:18.444
deltas in the active component so that

01:19:18.444 --> 01:19:22.359
we can also have age 64 echoes . In the

01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:25.240
guard in Capo 2 and so that's uh what

01:19:25.240 --> 01:19:27.296
the what the National Guard is gonna

01:19:27.296 --> 01:19:29.359
see from um Army Transformation

01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:32.720
initiative is the age of their , you

01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:34.887
know , they'll get much younger , much

01:19:34.887 --> 01:19:37.479
more capable aircraft , um , out of

01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:39.646
what we're doing with it . Thank you ,

01:19:39.646 --> 01:19:41.868
General , and I want to go real quick ,

01:19:41.868 --> 01:19:44.090
uh , one of our members earlier brought

01:19:44.090 --> 01:19:46.312
up , let me tell you , in World War 2 ,

01:19:46.312 --> 01:19:48.479
did we fight a very different campaign

01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:50.812
in the Pacific than we fought in Europe .

01:19:51.089 --> 01:19:54.750
Yes . One was intensively sea warfare

01:19:55.040 --> 01:19:57.319
and air warfare , uh , some ground

01:19:57.319 --> 01:19:59.520
forces , but it was primarily sea and

01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.759
air . Is that correct ? Um , I would

01:20:01.759 --> 01:20:03.592
actually tell you that we had 21

01:20:03.592 --> 01:20:06.040
divisions and 6 corps in the Pacific

01:20:06.040 --> 01:20:08.600
during World War II , so I don't see ,

01:20:08.759 --> 01:20:12.240
uh , our job is to be ready anywhere in

01:20:12.240 --> 01:20:14.184
ground forces , my point is ground

01:20:14.184 --> 01:20:16.240
forces still matter in Europe . That

01:20:16.240 --> 01:20:18.296
was a primarily ground war . It uses

01:20:18.296 --> 01:20:20.184
all , both use all . I think they

01:20:20.184 --> 01:20:22.518
matter everywhere . So obviously biased ,

01:20:22.518 --> 01:20:24.407
but I , I don't , I think history

01:20:24.407 --> 01:20:26.459
supports that and infused with the

01:20:26.459 --> 01:20:28.459
right technology that we would have

01:20:28.459 --> 01:20:30.403
with drones and counter US and all

01:20:30.403 --> 01:20:32.348
those things , I think the army is

01:20:32.348 --> 01:20:34.570
critically important long range fires .

01:20:34.819 --> 01:20:36.875
We can walk and chew gum at the same

01:20:36.875 --> 01:20:38.930
time . We can be prepared for Europe

01:20:38.930 --> 01:20:41.041
and the Pacific is kind of my point .

01:20:41.041 --> 01:20:43.208
The final thing is just , uh , I wanna

01:20:43.208 --> 01:20:44.986
make sure you guys continue our

01:20:44.986 --> 01:20:47.041
commitment . I think one of our most

01:20:47.041 --> 01:20:49.263
valuable tools is our state partnership

01:20:49.263 --> 01:20:51.375
programs , and I think we're using it

01:20:51.375 --> 01:20:53.541
well . I think we can use it better to

01:20:53.541 --> 01:20:55.652
get more return on investment for the

01:20:55.652 --> 01:20:55.209
army and the nation as a whole with

01:20:55.209 --> 01:20:57.542
your back . To time expired , Mr . Crow ,

01:20:57.542 --> 01:20:59.320
you're recognized . Thank you ,

01:20:59.320 --> 01:21:01.542
Chairman . Thank you to both of you for

01:21:01.542 --> 01:21:03.709
coming in . Uh , I joined with many of

01:21:03.709 --> 01:21:03.450
my colleagues and sharing some

01:21:03.450 --> 01:21:06.089
excitement around . You thinking big

01:21:06.089 --> 01:21:07.700
and structurally , this Army

01:21:07.700 --> 01:21:09.867
transformation initiative is , is , is

01:21:09.867 --> 01:21:12.180
the way we need to be thinking . But I

01:21:12.180 --> 01:21:14.347
also join with my colleagues in saying

01:21:14.347 --> 01:21:16.180
that congressional engagement is

01:21:16.180 --> 01:21:17.958
extremely important and without

01:21:17.958 --> 01:21:20.013
information this committee cannot do

01:21:20.013 --> 01:21:21.736
its work . In addition to this

01:21:21.736 --> 01:21:23.958
committee , the Army caucus has not had

01:21:23.958 --> 01:21:26.013
any engagement with the department .

01:21:26.013 --> 01:21:28.124
I'm the co-chair of the Army caucus .

01:21:28.124 --> 01:21:27.979
We're 6 months into this year . This is

01:21:27.979 --> 01:21:31.419
a bipartisan caucus . Um , this is a

01:21:31.419 --> 01:21:33.979
group of members of Congress who , uh ,

01:21:34.100 --> 01:21:36.211
many of whom are army veterans , many

01:21:36.211 --> 01:21:38.322
of whom have army facilities in their

01:21:38.322 --> 01:21:40.433
district . They volunteer . And there

01:21:40.433 --> 01:21:42.489
just hasn't been any engagement . We

01:21:42.489 --> 01:21:44.656
are your , some of your biggest allies

01:21:44.656 --> 01:21:46.656
and we can't do that work unless we

01:21:46.656 --> 01:21:48.822
engage with you . Uh , both of you are

01:21:48.822 --> 01:21:50.933
combat veterans like me , and I would

01:21:50.933 --> 01:21:52.600
like to talk about our shared

01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:55.029
experience in combat . Um . Secretary

01:21:55.029 --> 01:21:57.390
Driscoll , uh , you , you led a platoon

01:21:57.740 --> 01:22:00.339
in Iraq , and I , I'm sure you realized

01:22:00.339 --> 01:22:02.117
that you were doing that , that

01:22:02.117 --> 01:22:04.283
engaging with civilian populations was

01:22:04.283 --> 01:22:06.395
important , correct ? Uh , absolutely

01:22:06.395 --> 01:22:08.395
congressman , and just to your army

01:22:08.395 --> 01:22:10.561
caucus , um , uh , we , we will remedy

01:22:10.561 --> 01:22:12.728
that , that shame on me for not having

01:22:12.728 --> 01:22:14.672
you , so I commit to you'll get an

01:22:14.672 --> 01:22:17.006
invite soon . And then , and then , yes ,

01:22:17.006 --> 01:22:18.839
thank you . So , so engaging the

01:22:18.839 --> 01:22:20.950
populations , that's essential to the

01:22:20.950 --> 01:22:22.728
mission because . Almost always

01:22:22.728 --> 01:22:24.783
operating near civilians , correct ?

01:22:24.783 --> 01:22:27.006
Correct . And , and we can't accomplish

01:22:27.006 --> 01:22:29.117
military missions , combat missions ,

01:22:29.117 --> 01:22:31.172
unless we effectively interface with

01:22:31.172 --> 01:22:33.283
civilian populations , correct ? That

01:22:33.283 --> 01:22:35.395
is generally true . And , and as part

01:22:35.395 --> 01:22:37.672
of that . Reducing civilian casualties ,

01:22:37.672 --> 01:22:39.617
making sure that civilians are not

01:22:39.617 --> 01:22:42.979
pulled into or um uh are injured as

01:22:42.979 --> 01:22:45.180
part of our operations is also mission

01:22:45.180 --> 01:22:47.779
essential , correct ? The army as far

01:22:47.779 --> 01:22:49.723
we , we always aspire to mini mini

01:22:49.723 --> 01:22:51.779
minimize and mitigate that risk . It

01:22:51.779 --> 01:22:53.835
would be mission essential though to

01:22:53.835 --> 01:22:56.168
minimize uh civilian casualties , right ?

01:22:58.169 --> 01:23:00.850
Yes , um , General George , would you

01:23:00.850 --> 01:23:03.569
share that view ? I , I would , I would

01:23:03.569 --> 01:23:05.791
also come back to , you know , with our

01:23:05.791 --> 01:23:08.013
shared experiences that , you know , we

01:23:08.013 --> 01:23:10.013
have to really focus on making sure

01:23:10.013 --> 01:23:12.069
that every soldier is really good at

01:23:12.069 --> 01:23:14.125
their kinetic mission . And before I

01:23:14.125 --> 01:23:16.180
went to Afghanistan and as a brigade

01:23:16.180 --> 01:23:18.013
commander of Iraq as a battalion

01:23:18.013 --> 01:23:20.236
commander as a field grade we were part

01:23:20.236 --> 01:23:22.402
of our everything that we do with what

01:23:22.402 --> 01:23:24.458
we're doing with targeting is making

01:23:24.458 --> 01:23:26.569
sure that we are very precise in what

01:23:26.569 --> 01:23:28.625
we're doing and I . I think you know

01:23:28.625 --> 01:23:30.680
history would show where we are very

01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:32.847
precise . I mean , it's combat , which

01:23:32.847 --> 01:23:34.958
I agree with . I mean , the precision

01:23:34.958 --> 01:23:37.069
is really important , right ? Because

01:23:37.069 --> 01:23:39.125
that's actually makes us more combat

01:23:39.125 --> 01:23:39.004
effective , to be precise and to make

01:23:39.004 --> 01:23:41.171
sure we're hitting what we need to hit

01:23:41.171 --> 01:23:42.948
and not hitting other things in

01:23:42.948 --> 01:23:45.004
addition to losing the support of a

01:23:45.004 --> 01:23:47.125
civilian population of which we are

01:23:47.125 --> 01:23:49.924
oftentimes trying to earn their support

01:23:49.924 --> 01:23:51.757
by reducing casualties , is that

01:23:51.757 --> 01:23:54.669
accurate ? I would say in certain

01:23:54.669 --> 01:23:55.947
situations if that's a

01:23:55.947 --> 01:23:58.225
counterinsurgency fight , then I would ,

01:23:59.240 --> 01:24:01.462
in fact , the , the , the , the mission

01:24:01.462 --> 01:24:04.009
analysis tool met TC you you both are

01:24:04.009 --> 01:24:06.287
familiar with Met TC , right ? In fact ,

01:24:06.287 --> 01:24:08.509
you used it , Secretary Driscoll , when

01:24:08.509 --> 01:24:10.787
you were in the military , right ? Yes ,

01:24:10.787 --> 01:24:12.342
and the C stands for what ?

01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:18.240
Civilian ? Yes . It's it's civil

01:24:18.240 --> 01:24:20.073
considerations , right ? So it's

01:24:20.073 --> 01:24:21.907
actually built into our analysis

01:24:21.907 --> 01:24:23.851
planning tool that you think about

01:24:23.851 --> 01:24:25.962
civilian populations , so . Here's my

01:24:25.962 --> 01:24:29.720
question . In fiscal year 2023 , this

01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:31.959
committee on a bipartisan basis created

01:24:31.959 --> 01:24:33.919
the Civilian Protection Center of

01:24:33.919 --> 01:24:35.919
Excellence for all the reasons we

01:24:35.919 --> 01:24:39.479
talked about that we understand that we

01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:41.701
can't effectively conduct our mission ,

01:24:41.919 --> 01:24:44.120
win the support of local populations ,

01:24:44.430 --> 01:24:46.652
reduce civilian casualties , and ensure

01:24:46.652 --> 01:24:48.819
the effectiveness and the precision of

01:24:48.819 --> 01:24:50.986
our targeting unless we make it a part

01:24:50.986 --> 01:24:53.700
of the mission and we focus on it . The

01:24:53.700 --> 01:24:55.979
department has provided notice to

01:24:55.979 --> 01:24:58.146
Congress that they are going to defund

01:24:58.146 --> 01:25:02.000
and get rid of the CPCOE . So

01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.359
why on a bipartisan basis we passed

01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:06.359
something that will help put our

01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:08.799
soldiers in a position of being more

01:25:08.799 --> 01:25:10.720
successful in our mission , more

01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:12.942
precise in our targeting , that will be

01:25:12.942 --> 01:25:14.831
better at protecting the civilian

01:25:14.831 --> 01:25:16.664
populations that we serve in and

01:25:16.664 --> 01:25:18.759
alongside of , are you going to wind

01:25:18.759 --> 01:25:22.759
this down ? I , I would , I

01:25:22.759 --> 01:25:24.759
would tell you , Congressman , that

01:25:24.759 --> 01:25:26.926
what , what we need to do is make sure

01:25:26.926 --> 01:25:29.037
that that , um , beyond the center of

01:25:29.037 --> 01:25:31.259
excellence is embedded in everything we

01:25:31.259 --> 01:25:33.259
do from top to bottom . I think you

01:25:33.259 --> 01:25:35.426
were mentioning Met TC . That's a very

01:25:35.426 --> 01:25:37.370
tactical thing that we're doing at

01:25:37.370 --> 01:25:39.370
every place , um , all the way up .

01:25:39.370 --> 01:25:41.426
We're doing this when we I , I agree

01:25:41.426 --> 01:25:43.315
with you . I , I agree with you ,

01:25:43.315 --> 01:25:46.410
Secretary Driscoll . This was the way

01:25:46.410 --> 01:25:48.688
to to focus and prioritize this effort .

01:25:48.740 --> 01:25:50.740
Why wind it down ? I think we are

01:25:50.740 --> 01:25:52.796
aligned in your goal , Congressman ,

01:25:52.796 --> 01:25:54.629
and we think that there's a more

01:25:54.629 --> 01:25:56.684
effective way to do it . All right ,

01:25:56.684 --> 01:25:58.573
well , I , I wanna hear that more

01:25:58.573 --> 01:25:58.189
effective way and I would like answers

01:25:58.189 --> 01:26:01.040
to that . Yes , Congressman . Thank you .

01:26:01.049 --> 01:26:03.271
The gentlest time expired . I recognize

01:26:03.271 --> 01:26:05.382
myself for 5 minutes . Thank you both

01:26:05.382 --> 01:26:05.240
for being here . I appreciate your

01:26:05.240 --> 01:26:07.720
leadership . I wanna echo some of the

01:26:07.720 --> 01:26:09.387
concerns that we've heard the

01:26:09.387 --> 01:26:11.609
bipartisan concerns on the news reports

01:26:11.609 --> 01:26:13.831
that the Secretary of Defense is moving

01:26:13.831 --> 01:26:15.998
over a billion dollars out of barracks

01:26:15.998 --> 01:26:17.998
and dorms for the board . We need a

01:26:17.998 --> 01:26:20.053
strong border . I get that . I spent

01:26:20.053 --> 01:26:22.164
the last year chairing a subcommittee

01:26:22.164 --> 01:26:24.331
or a temporary subcommittee looking at

01:26:24.331 --> 01:26:26.331
quality of life and in the midst of

01:26:26.331 --> 01:26:28.498
that , the GAO . Came out and gave our

01:26:28.498 --> 01:26:30.720
dorms and our barracks of failing grade

01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:32.831
and enough to include the armies . We

01:26:32.831 --> 01:26:34.998
saw pictures of raw sewage and dorms ,

01:26:34.998 --> 01:26:37.720
rodents , mold dorms that had and

01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:39.831
barracks that had no air conditioning

01:26:39.831 --> 01:26:41.998
or heat working and on and on , and so

01:26:41.998 --> 01:26:43.998
we spent the year trying to build a

01:26:43.998 --> 01:26:46.053
plan to help the services fix this ,

01:26:46.053 --> 01:26:48.331
and what we did learn is over a decade ,

01:26:48.331 --> 01:26:50.442
the services were moving money out of

01:26:50.442 --> 01:26:52.664
their dorms and barracks towards weapon

01:26:52.664 --> 01:26:54.609
systems . I get that we had finite

01:26:54.609 --> 01:26:56.831
resources , but we built a 10 year hole

01:26:56.831 --> 01:26:58.887
in our dorms and barracks and now if

01:26:58.887 --> 01:27:00.998
the news reports are true . It's very

01:27:00.998 --> 01:27:03.220
troubling . We're we're we're trying to

01:27:03.220 --> 01:27:05.387
help with the quality of life and then

01:27:05.387 --> 01:27:07.442
feel like . A decision was made that

01:27:07.442 --> 01:27:09.498
undermined this whole effort that we

01:27:09.498 --> 01:27:09.270
spent the last year doing so I wanted

01:27:09.270 --> 01:27:11.950
to say that for the record , uh , Joe

01:27:11.950 --> 01:27:15.100
George . I think China's rightfully the

01:27:15.109 --> 01:27:17.410
the pacing threat . What is it that you

01:27:17.410 --> 01:27:20.810
want the army to bring ? In a China US

01:27:20.810 --> 01:27:22.421
fight , what what's the main

01:27:22.421 --> 01:27:24.366
capabilities that you see the army

01:27:24.366 --> 01:27:27.129
bringing ? I , I think the Army is

01:27:27.129 --> 01:27:29.351
gonna be congressman , the backbone for

01:27:29.351 --> 01:27:31.462
a lot of things that are out in the ,

01:27:31.462 --> 01:27:33.518
in the Pacific . You see what , um ,

01:27:33.518 --> 01:27:35.462
right now what Long Range fires is

01:27:35.462 --> 01:27:37.573
doing , um , being able to operate in

01:27:37.573 --> 01:27:39.518
small teams and be able to present

01:27:39.518 --> 01:27:41.796
those kinds of things . Um , out there ,

01:27:41.796 --> 01:27:44.018
it's why we're , we're moving away with

01:27:44.018 --> 01:27:46.073
some of our , you know , some of our

01:27:46.073 --> 01:27:48.129
systems , um , or , you know , other

01:27:48.129 --> 01:27:50.462
drones that can actually be now be , uh ,

01:27:50.462 --> 01:27:52.407
employed much simpler and not from

01:27:52.407 --> 01:27:54.740
airfields . So I think long range fires ,

01:27:54.740 --> 01:27:54.379
Army's gonna have a big role to play in

01:27:54.390 --> 01:27:56.446
integrated air missile defense , and

01:27:56.446 --> 01:27:58.612
again this is around the world command

01:27:58.612 --> 01:28:00.557
and control we're used to a lot of

01:28:00.557 --> 01:28:02.645
moving . Parts and big formations um

01:28:02.645 --> 01:28:04.701
and controlling a lot of that . So I

01:28:04.701 --> 01:28:06.645
think we're gonna do a lot of that

01:28:06.645 --> 01:28:08.812
counter UAS . I mean , I could go down

01:28:08.812 --> 01:28:11.034
across all the war fighting functions .

01:28:11.034 --> 01:28:13.034
We always tell everybody that , you

01:28:13.034 --> 01:28:15.201
know , there's no such thing as uh one

01:28:15.201 --> 01:28:17.423
a maritime air , land . These are joint

01:28:17.423 --> 01:28:19.534
theaters and everybody is going to be

01:28:19.534 --> 01:28:21.645
important to this fight . Um , and so

01:28:21.645 --> 01:28:23.756
certainly we're gonna be an important

01:28:23.756 --> 01:28:23.709
part of that as well . Thank you . I

01:28:23.709 --> 01:28:25.931
totally agree . Long range fires , uh ,

01:28:25.931 --> 01:28:27.931
I think some criticisms towards the

01:28:27.931 --> 01:28:29.765
army about if they put the right

01:28:29.765 --> 01:28:31.876
priority on air defense , but I think

01:28:31.876 --> 01:28:33.987
we know we need it now and we need to

01:28:33.987 --> 01:28:35.876
really invest in this area , uh ,

01:28:35.876 --> 01:28:37.765
particularly in a Far East , uh ,

01:28:37.765 --> 01:28:39.765
conflict and also the counter drone

01:28:39.765 --> 01:28:41.709
technology is gonna be huge . Uh ,

01:28:41.709 --> 01:28:43.876
there's a lot of reports of what China

01:28:43.876 --> 01:28:43.629
is doing with their drone technology ,

01:28:43.709 --> 01:28:45.820
so we will be facing the same threats

01:28:45.820 --> 01:28:47.765
that we're seeing , uh , in Europe

01:28:47.765 --> 01:28:49.765
right now , uh , to , to you both .

01:28:50.810 --> 01:28:52.977
Sometimes I hear the president or vice

01:28:52.977 --> 01:28:55.088
president , secretary of defense talk

01:28:55.088 --> 01:28:57.490
about solely China as the primary

01:28:57.490 --> 01:28:59.712
threat , but I don't hear a lot of talk

01:28:59.712 --> 01:29:01.601
about Russia and yet since 1991 ,

01:29:01.729 --> 01:29:04.169
Russia's forcibly changed their borders

01:29:04.169 --> 01:29:06.490
9 times and we're seeing the big one

01:29:06.490 --> 01:29:08.919
right now with Ukraine . Would you

01:29:08.919 --> 01:29:11.086
agree that Russia is indeed a threat ?

01:29:11.086 --> 01:29:13.479
One , and 2 , do we have any , are we

01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:15.590
gonna maintain our posture in Eastern

01:29:15.590 --> 01:29:17.535
Europe with the Baltic countries ,

01:29:17.535 --> 01:29:19.757
Poland , Romania ? I think our presence

01:29:19.757 --> 01:29:22.180
there is critical for deterrence . Um ,

01:29:22.930 --> 01:29:24.986
I , I think , um , we , we all agree

01:29:24.986 --> 01:29:27.152
and we're following the leadership and

01:29:27.152 --> 01:29:29.263
guidance of , uh , Secretary Hag said

01:29:29.263 --> 01:29:31.430
that China is the pacing threat , um ,

01:29:31.430 --> 01:29:33.374
but when General George and I talk

01:29:33.374 --> 01:29:33.279
about the army that we are , we believe

01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:35.335
we are responsible to build , one of

01:29:35.335 --> 01:29:37.446
the things we've referenced is that ,

01:29:37.446 --> 01:29:39.446
um , often most human beings . That

01:29:39.446 --> 01:29:41.557
thought they could predict the future

01:29:41.557 --> 01:29:41.245
have turned out to be wrong since the

01:29:41.245 --> 01:29:43.356
beginning of mankind , and we want an

01:29:43.356 --> 01:29:45.356
army that can be effective anywhere

01:29:45.356 --> 01:29:47.523
that we send it . And so in all of our

01:29:47.523 --> 01:29:49.745
planning , we try to build an army that

01:29:49.745 --> 01:29:51.745
it stands by and stands ready to go

01:29:51.745 --> 01:29:53.856
anywhere the president sends us . But

01:29:53.856 --> 01:29:56.023
yes , Russia is a threat . Thank you .

01:29:56.023 --> 01:29:59.060
John George . I would agree with that ,

01:29:59.160 --> 01:30:01.382
and I just want to kind of just gets to

01:30:01.382 --> 01:30:03.382
some of the earlier questions about

01:30:03.382 --> 01:30:05.549
what kind of equipment . I don't think

01:30:05.549 --> 01:30:07.604
that we can have an army that can be

01:30:07.604 --> 01:30:09.660
that is only good at one thing , you

01:30:09.660 --> 01:30:11.716
know , the army has to be , uh , our

01:30:11.716 --> 01:30:13.827
country expects it of us , um , and I

01:30:13.827 --> 01:30:13.680
know we can do that , and that's

01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:15.847
exactly what we're focused on with the

01:30:15.847 --> 01:30:18.013
transformation initiative . Do we plan

01:30:18.013 --> 01:30:20.180
on keeping our presence in the Baltics

01:30:20.180 --> 01:30:24.020
and in Poland ? You'll die the one of

01:30:24.020 --> 01:30:26.131
you . Yeah , I've not , I've not seen

01:30:26.131 --> 01:30:28.770
any , you know , uh , policy decisions ,

01:30:28.819 --> 01:30:30.986
um , on that right now , Congressman .

01:30:30.986 --> 01:30:32.986
I can't think of it better allies .

01:30:32.986 --> 01:30:34.986
These folks love our country . I've

01:30:34.986 --> 01:30:37.208
been to Baltics many times and Poland .

01:30:37.208 --> 01:30:39.430
They love freedom . They know what it's

01:30:39.430 --> 01:30:41.597
like to live under the Soviet Union or

01:30:41.597 --> 01:30:43.763
Russian control . They're investing 4%

01:30:43.763 --> 01:30:45.930
roughly of their GDP , trying to go to

01:30:45.930 --> 01:30:48.097
5% . Uh , they're great allies , and I

01:30:48.097 --> 01:30:50.208
just hope we , we stick by their side

01:30:50.208 --> 01:30:52.263
to make it very clear with it . OK ,

01:30:52.263 --> 01:30:51.939
Congressman , I was in Poland , um ,

01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:54.333
and saw how they treat our soldiers and ,

01:30:54.333 --> 01:30:56.444
and , and it's incredible . Um , they

01:30:56.444 --> 01:30:58.778
are an amazing ally and we support them .

01:30:58.778 --> 01:31:01.111
With that , I yield and I recognized Mr .

01:31:01.111 --> 01:31:03.111
Ryan for 5 minutes . Thank you Mr .

01:31:03.120 --> 01:31:05.342
Chair . Thank you both . Thank you both

01:31:05.342 --> 01:31:07.342
for being here . Thank you also for

01:31:07.342 --> 01:31:09.450
coming to the finest , uh , service

01:31:09.450 --> 01:31:11.649
academy in the world , uh , in my

01:31:11.649 --> 01:31:13.899
district , uh , for commencement , uh ,

01:31:13.930 --> 01:31:16.097
two weeks ago . It was really an honor

01:31:16.097 --> 01:31:18.208
to have you both there and I think we

01:31:18.208 --> 01:31:20.430
can all agree , uh , the country should

01:31:20.430 --> 01:31:22.430
be incredibly proud of those 1,0002

01:31:22.430 --> 01:31:24.541
young men and women that raised their

01:31:24.541 --> 01:31:26.763
right hand that day and , and certainly

01:31:26.763 --> 01:31:29.097
appreciate both of you being there , uh ,

01:31:29.097 --> 01:31:31.097
and your leadership to that to that

01:31:31.097 --> 01:31:33.208
effect . Um , two areas that I wanted

01:31:33.208 --> 01:31:35.097
to hit starting , um , with you ,

01:31:35.097 --> 01:31:37.319
General George . I just want to commend

01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:39.041
you on the record for from the

01:31:39.041 --> 01:31:41.152
beginning of you taking this critical

01:31:41.152 --> 01:31:43.374
role , saying we're gonna . Really take

01:31:43.374 --> 01:31:45.430
hard critical looks . We're gonna up

01:31:45.430 --> 01:31:47.263
our risk tolerance . We're gonna

01:31:47.263 --> 01:31:49.208
experiment uh with the with the um

01:31:49.208 --> 01:31:51.319
transformation and contact initiative

01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:53.430
that you undertook , uh , and then to

01:31:53.430 --> 01:31:55.839
see that come to fruition and taking

01:31:55.839 --> 01:31:58.061
those lessons learned from those , uh ,

01:31:58.061 --> 01:32:00.172
I think it was 3 , brigades that were

01:32:00.172 --> 01:32:02.283
doing that work across the country to

01:32:02.283 --> 01:32:04.395
then inform , uh , the transformation

01:32:04.395 --> 01:32:06.506
initiative that we're . Talking about

01:32:06.506 --> 01:32:08.450
today , I think that that deserves

01:32:08.450 --> 01:32:10.617
significant praise and and credit as a

01:32:10.617 --> 01:32:12.617
model that I think all the services

01:32:12.617 --> 01:32:14.672
should should look at . Um , can you

01:32:14.672 --> 01:32:16.728
just briefly talk about one specific

01:32:16.728 --> 01:32:19.006
success story and I know you mentioned ,

01:32:19.006 --> 01:32:21.006
for example , that 300% increase in

01:32:21.006 --> 01:32:23.117
lethality , uh , of the one brigade ,

01:32:23.117 --> 01:32:25.339
but can you share , I think a lot of us

01:32:25.339 --> 01:32:27.506
are focused on the kind of the macro .

01:32:27.506 --> 01:32:29.617
There's a lot of moving pieces here ,

01:32:29.617 --> 01:32:29.500
but can you bring that to life ? Is

01:32:29.500 --> 01:32:31.556
there an anecdote or a story you can

01:32:31.556 --> 01:32:34.100
share from the transformation and

01:32:34.100 --> 01:32:36.267
contact that's informed the larger ATI

01:32:36.267 --> 01:32:38.267
initiative ? I mean , even before ,

01:32:38.270 --> 01:32:40.492
I'll go back to the people because I've

01:32:40.492 --> 01:32:42.548
been asked what's our most important

01:32:42.548 --> 01:32:42.509
asset . I think , you know what we're

01:32:42.509 --> 01:32:44.700
learning is , uh , what kind of people

01:32:44.700 --> 01:32:46.867
also and what kind of people skills we

01:32:46.867 --> 01:32:49.033
need to have inside of our formation .

01:32:49.033 --> 01:32:51.060
We had a , um , you know , pretty

01:32:51.060 --> 01:32:53.171
significant meeting earlier this week

01:32:53.171 --> 01:32:55.227
about deciding how we're gonna add .

01:32:55.227 --> 01:32:57.449
Electronic warfare operators inside our

01:32:57.449 --> 01:32:59.560
formation , how they would do that at

01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:01.671
Echelon it is informed how we need to

01:33:01.671 --> 01:33:03.979
change our training , um , at all of

01:33:03.979 --> 01:33:06.090
our centers of excellence , how we're

01:33:06.090 --> 01:33:08.589
training majors differently , captains ,

01:33:08.620 --> 01:33:11.100
um , above , you know , and all the way

01:33:11.100 --> 01:33:13.459
up , um , so it's really informing

01:33:13.459 --> 01:33:15.859
everything we're doing and , um , it's

01:33:15.859 --> 01:33:18.520
not just the technology . Thank you .

01:33:18.700 --> 01:33:20.922
Yeah , I think that's a , that's a very

01:33:20.922 --> 01:33:23.144
critical point and leads actually to my

01:33:23.144 --> 01:33:25.311
second question , which is about our ,

01:33:25.311 --> 01:33:24.859
our greatest resource , our personnel

01:33:24.859 --> 01:33:27.020
and recruiting specifically , um ,

01:33:27.100 --> 01:33:29.211
Secretary Driscoll appreciated your ,

01:33:29.379 --> 01:33:31.939
uh , op ed and I , and , um , the broad

01:33:31.939 --> 01:33:35.459
recognition of a huge success and I

01:33:35.459 --> 01:33:37.681
think everybody in the committee should

01:33:37.681 --> 01:33:39.792
be applauding in a bipartisan way the

01:33:39.792 --> 01:33:42.126
success of the army after several years .

01:33:42.180 --> 01:33:44.649
Of investment , a strategy change ,

01:33:44.689 --> 01:33:46.578
particularly led by you , General

01:33:46.578 --> 01:33:48.578
George , and your team , bipartisan

01:33:48.578 --> 01:33:50.578
work of , of the Congress under the

01:33:50.578 --> 01:33:52.689
chairman's leadership and the ranking

01:33:52.689 --> 01:33:54.856
members , uh , specifically , uh , Red

01:33:54.856 --> 01:33:57.022
Poulihan and , and Congressman Bacon's

01:33:57.022 --> 01:33:58.800
effort on the quality of life .

01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:00.800
Initiative to raise pay and address

01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:02.911
other critical quality of life issues

01:34:02.911 --> 01:34:05.133
all of that coming together to actually

01:34:05.133 --> 01:34:07.133
work to see us hitting our goal not

01:34:07.133 --> 01:34:09.245
only on time but ahead of time so I I

01:34:09.245 --> 01:34:11.379
commend uh you all for that . I do

01:34:11.379 --> 01:34:14.220
think it's important that . This not be

01:34:14.220 --> 01:34:18.089
a political analysis of the success

01:34:18.500 --> 01:34:20.500
and I'm concerned not actually from

01:34:20.500 --> 01:34:22.667
either of you but what I've heard from

01:34:22.667 --> 01:34:24.611
the secretary and the president of

01:34:24.611 --> 01:34:27.339
overly politicizing the takeaways of

01:34:27.339 --> 01:34:29.680
the recruiting success so I just wanna

01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:31.513
raise a few points and ask a few

01:34:31.513 --> 01:34:33.013
questions to make sure I'm

01:34:33.013 --> 01:34:35.236
understanding how we got here correctly

01:34:35.236 --> 01:34:37.069
so that we can learn the correct

01:34:37.069 --> 01:34:39.609
lessons and build on um . This success

01:34:39.609 --> 01:34:41.939
I know in FY 22 and 23 we were

01:34:41.939 --> 01:34:44.161
challenged did not hit our numbers . Is

01:34:44.161 --> 01:34:46.106
that that's correct , uh , Chief ?

01:34:46.529 --> 01:34:49.810
That's correct , um , and then in FY 24 ,

01:34:50.419 --> 01:34:52.586
uh , which , to be clear , happened in

01:34:52.586 --> 01:34:54.697
the last administration , just , uh ,

01:34:54.697 --> 01:34:58.529
we , we hit our goals we're up 12.5%

01:34:58.819 --> 01:35:00.875
and exceeded the goal , which , uh ,

01:35:00.875 --> 01:35:04.459
and hit 55,150 recruits in FY

01:35:04.459 --> 01:35:06.570
24 , is that right , General George ?

01:35:07.140 --> 01:35:09.307
It sounds right , yes , sir . And then

01:35:09.307 --> 01:35:11.580
I think we even went 11,000 over and

01:35:11.580 --> 01:35:13.799
we're able to put 11,000 additional

01:35:13.799 --> 01:35:15.855
folks into the delayed entry program

01:35:15.855 --> 01:35:18.077
which fed into the success we've had in

01:35:18.077 --> 01:35:20.243
FY 25 . Is that the right way to think

01:35:20.243 --> 01:35:22.509
about that ? Everybody that goes into

01:35:22.509 --> 01:35:24.589
the delayed entry program and that's

01:35:24.589 --> 01:35:26.256
exactly what we're gonna do ,

01:35:26.256 --> 01:35:28.311
Congressman , you know , from , from

01:35:28.311 --> 01:35:30.422
here on out is we expect to get , you

01:35:30.422 --> 01:35:32.549
know , 20,000 for example , in the

01:35:32.549 --> 01:35:35.060
delayed entry program moving forward .

01:35:35.669 --> 01:35:37.891
Great and I'm , I'm running out of time

01:35:37.891 --> 01:35:40.002
and , and we'll submit this for the ,

01:35:40.002 --> 01:35:41.891
for the record , but I think it's

01:35:41.891 --> 01:35:41.680
important to highlight that this all

01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:43.902
started under your leadership , General

01:35:43.902 --> 01:35:45.736
George and the last secretary in

01:35:45.736 --> 01:35:47.830
October 2023 . When we added 1200

01:35:47.830 --> 01:35:49.839
recruiters to your credit when we

01:35:49.839 --> 01:35:52.117
started the Future soldier Prep course ,

01:35:52.117 --> 01:35:54.283
which is 24% of the recruits came from

01:35:54.283 --> 01:35:56.600
that course when we moved to online job

01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:59.319
boards , uh , when we went back to the

01:35:59.319 --> 01:36:01.541
old motto that we all love , be all you

01:36:01.541 --> 01:36:03.708
can be , uh , and a lot of other smart

01:36:03.708 --> 01:36:05.652
initiatives that started in 2023 .

01:36:05.652 --> 01:36:07.763
Gentleman's time expired here , and I

01:36:07.763 --> 01:36:10.097
recognize the gentleman from Texas , Mr .

01:36:10.097 --> 01:36:14.020
Latrell . Thank you , Mr .

01:36:14.060 --> 01:36:16.171
Chairman . Good morning , gentlemen .

01:36:16.939 --> 01:36:19.410
Have either one of you heard of the 1st

01:36:19.410 --> 01:36:22.899
battalion 158th Aviation Regiment of

01:36:22.899 --> 01:36:25.066
the 11th Expeditionary Combat Aviation

01:36:25.066 --> 01:36:29.029
Brigade ? I'm , I'm familiar

01:36:29.029 --> 01:36:31.310
with , uh , not that specific battalion

01:36:31.310 --> 01:36:34.290
but the ECAB . Yes , Mr . Secretary ,

01:36:35.390 --> 01:36:37.501
uh , directionally , not specifically

01:36:37.501 --> 01:36:39.612
that's unfortunate because it's being

01:36:39.612 --> 01:36:41.390
decommissioned . And it's in my

01:36:41.390 --> 01:36:44.290
district . And I want one of you two to

01:36:44.290 --> 01:36:46.790
tell me why that's happening . Because

01:36:46.790 --> 01:36:48.568
I would hope since that's being

01:36:48.568 --> 01:36:50.623
decommissioned and Mr . Crow said it

01:36:50.623 --> 01:36:52.457
very eloquently , we can be your

01:36:52.457 --> 01:36:54.512
greatest asset or your worst enemy .

01:36:55.319 --> 01:36:57.509
And you've come into my house where I

01:36:57.509 --> 01:36:59.565
was born and raised in this county .

01:36:59.689 --> 01:37:01.800
And you're taking something away from

01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.939
me , and I wanna know why . Um , we did ,

01:37:05.069 --> 01:37:07.236
um , went through and we've done a lot

01:37:07.236 --> 01:37:09.458
of war games , Congressman , on what we

01:37:09.458 --> 01:37:11.402
need for aviation structure and so

01:37:11.402 --> 01:37:13.569
that's what we went down from start to

01:37:13.569 --> 01:37:15.736
finish on , on what we're gonna do . I

01:37:15.736 --> 01:37:17.847
think we've talked a lot this morning

01:37:17.847 --> 01:37:20.013
about autonomous . You did speak about

01:37:20.013 --> 01:37:19.549
modernization . I'm curious why you

01:37:19.549 --> 01:37:21.549
wouldn't try to modernize that unit

01:37:21.549 --> 01:37:23.660
instead of decommissioning it . I say

01:37:23.660 --> 01:37:25.827
decommission because I'm a navy guys .

01:37:25.827 --> 01:37:25.160
There's a different term in the army .

01:37:25.189 --> 01:37:27.839
Please let me know . Well again , I

01:37:27.839 --> 01:37:30.040
think when you're overstructured on a

01:37:30.040 --> 01:37:31.759
specific asset and you're

01:37:31.759 --> 01:37:34.759
underinvesting in others , you have to

01:37:34.759 --> 01:37:36.815
make decisions on that . It's , it's

01:37:36.815 --> 01:37:39.037
that's what we are looking to do with a

01:37:39.037 --> 01:37:41.203
lot of those pilots , um , that are in

01:37:41.203 --> 01:37:44.080
COO 3 is they will , um , we're working

01:37:44.080 --> 01:37:46.080
right now with them that they would

01:37:46.080 --> 01:37:48.247
move and they would fly in the guard .

01:37:48.247 --> 01:37:50.413
We got a lot of talent in there , um ,

01:37:50.413 --> 01:37:52.136
that will go with the guard or

01:37:52.136 --> 01:37:54.469
potentially with COO 1 . Um , but again ,

01:37:54.469 --> 01:37:56.636
what we have committed ourselves to is

01:37:56.636 --> 01:37:58.469
that we're not gonna keep , uh ,

01:37:58.469 --> 01:38:00.636
equipment that we don't need , systems

01:38:00.636 --> 01:38:02.858
that we don't need when we know we need

01:38:02.858 --> 01:38:04.802
to invest . If we don't need those

01:38:04.802 --> 01:38:06.969
particular weapon systems or those air

01:38:06.969 --> 01:38:06.640
assets , why can't we increase the

01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:09.649
capability by moving . More modern

01:38:09.649 --> 01:38:13.589
aircraft to that location . Again ,

01:38:13.669 --> 01:38:16.979
I , I think we're gonna uh . Over the

01:38:16.979 --> 01:38:19.146
years gonna start to see a reduction ,

01:38:19.146 --> 01:38:21.339
uh , in what we're having for some of

01:38:21.339 --> 01:38:23.450
our rotary wing aircraft , and we can

01:38:23.450 --> 01:38:25.228
talk about how much rotary wing

01:38:25.228 --> 01:38:27.228
aircraft has been used right on the

01:38:27.228 --> 01:38:29.228
front lines and and some of these ,

01:38:29.228 --> 01:38:31.339
it's less . We are moving towards the

01:38:31.339 --> 01:38:33.750
MV 75 , which is the um the flora that

01:38:33.750 --> 01:38:35.917
the secretary was talking about in the

01:38:35.917 --> 01:38:37.917
in the in the future here and we're

01:38:37.917 --> 01:38:40.290
hoping to move that very quickly . Um ,

01:38:40.339 --> 01:38:42.172
but I think that there are other

01:38:42.172 --> 01:38:45.049
missions , autonomous systems , um ,

01:38:45.140 --> 01:38:47.307
that can do that , and again we had to

01:38:47.307 --> 01:38:49.362
make a decision we did not , we were

01:38:49.362 --> 01:38:51.251
overstructured on that particular

01:38:51.251 --> 01:38:53.418
aviation . Well , I , I , I'd like you

01:38:53.418 --> 01:38:55.584
guys to take a harder look at this and

01:38:55.584 --> 01:38:57.751
let me tell you why , because Conroe ,

01:38:57.751 --> 01:39:00.029
Texas is just right outside of Houston .

01:39:00.029 --> 01:39:01.751
And that area is basically the

01:39:01.751 --> 01:39:03.839
catcher's mitt for hurricanes in the

01:39:03.839 --> 01:39:07.799
state , OK , out of the Gulf . And

01:39:08.830 --> 01:39:12.330
The 500 Soldiers and the 100

01:39:12.330 --> 01:39:16.029
civilians that work . At that unit or

01:39:16.029 --> 01:39:18.140
engage in our community , we see them

01:39:18.140 --> 01:39:20.209
every day . And when Harvey hit and

01:39:20.209 --> 01:39:22.487
every other storm that followed Harvey ,

01:39:22.487 --> 01:39:24.919
that asset was flying overhead rescuing

01:39:25.290 --> 01:39:27.910
my constituents . Day after day .

01:39:29.129 --> 01:39:31.649
Continue to do so without question .

01:39:32.350 --> 01:39:35.370
And I'm getting the call not from them .

01:39:36.950 --> 01:39:39.279
But from my district , and I can assure

01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:41.390
you , when my district starts chewing

01:39:41.390 --> 01:39:44.359
on me , guess where I'm coming . And I

01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:46.759
want those answers . I want , I

01:39:46.759 --> 01:39:48.926
respectfully request either one of you

01:39:48.926 --> 01:39:51.092
come to my office and explain to me in

01:39:51.092 --> 01:39:53.350
detail why this is happening , why we

01:39:53.350 --> 01:39:55.461
can't move assets in this place , why

01:39:55.461 --> 01:39:58.009
can't this particular unit stay , not

01:39:58.009 --> 01:40:00.120
only because of its deployability and

01:40:00.120 --> 01:40:02.231
how great they are every time they go

01:40:02.231 --> 01:40:04.680
overseas , but because of the asset and

01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:06.736
what they bring when we get hit by a

01:40:06.736 --> 01:40:10.649
storm every single year . Now ,

01:40:10.700 --> 01:40:12.811
if you do take that from us , and I'm

01:40:12.811 --> 01:40:14.978
gonna speak hypothetically here you do

01:40:14.978 --> 01:40:17.256
take this from us , and this goes away ,

01:40:17.256 --> 01:40:17.100
and I've heard 12 to 24 months once you

01:40:17.100 --> 01:40:19.680
pull the trigger . If that happens and

01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:21.910
we get hit again , which we will .

01:40:23.569 --> 01:40:25.625
You're gonna have to explain to me ,

01:40:25.689 --> 01:40:27.911
and Congressman , uh , we'd be happy to

01:40:27.911 --> 01:40:30.245
come to your office and explain it , um ,

01:40:30.245 --> 01:40:32.300
the , the first bucket of ATI and we

01:40:32.300 --> 01:40:34.549
are allocating , reallocating $48

01:40:34.549 --> 01:40:36.549
billion of spending over the next 5

01:40:36.549 --> 01:40:38.830
years . Um , we've had a lot of hard

01:40:38.830 --> 01:40:41.470
conversations with a lot of , um , um ,

01:40:42.470 --> 01:40:44.581
well-intentioned and , uh , the , the

01:40:44.581 --> 01:40:46.803
tension in this is , is at a scale that

01:40:46.803 --> 01:40:49.609
we , we are , um . We would be

01:40:49.609 --> 01:40:51.665
delighted to show you I'd be curious

01:40:51.665 --> 01:40:53.930
conversations with any of those people

01:40:53.930 --> 01:40:56.097
that you have those conversations have

01:40:56.097 --> 01:40:58.569
been down there . And , and I'm , I'm

01:40:58.569 --> 01:41:00.625
kind of see what I'm talking about .

01:41:00.625 --> 01:41:02.736
Yeah , Congressman , I will also tell

01:41:02.736 --> 01:41:04.791
you from a lot of experience through

01:41:04.791 --> 01:41:06.847
the years of supporting we will , we

01:41:06.847 --> 01:41:06.680
have done this most of the time we have

01:41:06.680 --> 01:41:09.640
to evacuate all of the aircraft out .

01:41:10.009 --> 01:41:12.770
um , we still have , uh , Cavasso sits

01:41:12.770 --> 01:41:14.937
right up the road and gentleman's time

01:41:14.937 --> 01:41:17.214
expired , chair , and I recognize , uh ,

01:41:17.214 --> 01:41:19.492
Representative Vasquez from New Mexico .

01:41:19.492 --> 01:41:21.603
Thank you , Mr . Chairman . Thank you

01:41:21.603 --> 01:41:23.714
Secretary Driscoll , General George ,

01:41:23.714 --> 01:41:23.129
for your time today and for your years

01:41:23.129 --> 01:41:25.359
of service to our country . I represent

01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:27.359
New Mexico's 2nd district , home to

01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:29.581
White Sands missile range , as I'm sure

01:41:29.581 --> 01:41:31.526
you well know , White Sands is the

01:41:31.526 --> 01:41:33.415
department's premier research and

01:41:33.415 --> 01:41:35.359
testing facility where we've spent

01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:35.310
decades developing cutting edge

01:41:35.310 --> 01:41:37.640
technologies and weapon systems . I've

01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:39.696
heard from base leadership during my

01:41:39.696 --> 01:41:41.473
time here in Congress that they

01:41:41.473 --> 01:41:43.362
persistently dealt with drones of

01:41:43.362 --> 01:41:45.196
unknown origin entering into the

01:41:45.196 --> 01:41:47.418
airspace without authorization . Drones

01:41:47.418 --> 01:41:49.473
are a relatively cheap weapon system

01:41:49.473 --> 01:41:51.362
with the capacity to rapidly form

01:41:51.362 --> 01:41:53.584
swarms and launch attacks on targets of

01:41:53.584 --> 01:41:55.640
significantly higher value . And I'm

01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:55.490
concerned about White Sands

01:41:55.490 --> 01:41:57.434
vulnerability . They also have the

01:41:57.434 --> 01:41:59.379
ability to spy on some of our most

01:41:59.379 --> 01:42:01.323
sensitive technologies while it is

01:42:01.323 --> 01:42:03.490
being tested at White Sands . The base

01:42:03.490 --> 01:42:05.712
currently has limited radar capacity to

01:42:05.712 --> 01:42:07.657
detect drone incursions , but more

01:42:07.657 --> 01:42:09.490
importantly , they lack both the

01:42:09.490 --> 01:42:11.434
authority and technology to engage

01:42:11.434 --> 01:42:13.546
these drones , leaving us potentially

01:42:13.546 --> 01:42:15.601
exposed to our adversaries . General

01:42:15.601 --> 01:42:17.649
George , uh , would you agree that

01:42:17.649 --> 01:42:19.871
unknown drones entering the airspace of

01:42:19.871 --> 01:42:21.427
our military bases poses an

01:42:21.427 --> 01:42:24.189
intelligence and security threat ? Um ,

01:42:24.270 --> 01:42:25.937
I agree , and to go further ,

01:42:26.029 --> 01:42:28.251
Congressman , I , you know , this is an

01:42:28.251 --> 01:42:30.473
area that we've been talking about that

01:42:30.473 --> 01:42:32.696
we , uh , and you'll see we're going to

01:42:32.696 --> 01:42:34.529
invest more in , um , we need to

01:42:34.529 --> 01:42:36.807
experiment more with , we need to have ,

01:42:36.807 --> 01:42:39.140
uh , commercial , you know , more folks ,

01:42:39.140 --> 01:42:41.362
uh , developers that are in there doing

01:42:41.362 --> 01:42:43.418
that , um , and we need to work with

01:42:43.418 --> 01:42:45.473
you on the 130I to make sure that we

01:42:45.473 --> 01:42:47.529
also get the right authorities to do

01:42:47.529 --> 01:42:49.418
that . There are areas I know for

01:42:49.418 --> 01:42:51.585
example where we , you know , you , we

01:42:51.585 --> 01:42:53.640
could shoot things down . Um , so we

01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:55.807
have to work , we have to work through

01:42:55.807 --> 01:42:55.509
some of that . And Congressman , I

01:42:55.509 --> 01:42:57.620
would just say that this is a topic I

01:42:57.620 --> 01:42:59.620
think , um , that that likely would

01:42:59.620 --> 01:43:01.731
have bipartisan support and , and you

01:43:01.731 --> 01:43:04.065
have our , um , both , uh , very public ,

01:43:04.065 --> 01:43:06.520
um . Admission and request that we need

01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:08.742
help to all work together to solve this

01:43:08.742 --> 01:43:10.909
because in KOA it is difficult . There

01:43:10.909 --> 01:43:12.964
are a lot of different assets nearby

01:43:12.964 --> 01:43:15.076
there's uh commercial air traffic and

01:43:15.076 --> 01:43:17.298
the answers are not simple and so we as

01:43:17.298 --> 01:43:19.298
a nation have got to come up with a

01:43:19.298 --> 01:43:21.520
better solution . Thank you Secretary .

01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:20.970
Thank you , General . uh , does the

01:43:20.970 --> 01:43:23.026
Army or Department of Defense keep a

01:43:23.026 --> 01:43:25.192
log of instances in which unauthorized

01:43:25.192 --> 01:43:27.137
drones have been entering military

01:43:27.137 --> 01:43:30.000
airspace ? We do , we do keep track of

01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:32.167
that . Have those been increasing over

01:43:32.167 --> 01:43:34.333
the last five years ? Um , I would say

01:43:34.333 --> 01:43:36.359
drones are increasing in general ,

01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:38.455
whether it's , you know , commercial

01:43:38.455 --> 01:43:40.732
and again this gets back to , you know ,

01:43:40.732 --> 01:43:42.843
being able to identify , understand ,

01:43:42.843 --> 01:43:45.010
you know , and , and what you're doing

01:43:45.010 --> 01:43:47.121
to categorize it . So and I think the

01:43:47.121 --> 01:43:49.232
secretary has seen that , but it gets

01:43:49.232 --> 01:43:51.455
again gets back to how we're gonna have

01:43:51.455 --> 01:43:51.189
to work . Together to get after the

01:43:51.189 --> 01:43:53.470
authorities flexible funding to make

01:43:53.470 --> 01:43:55.359
sure that we can actually buy the

01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:57.830
things and you know not one specific

01:43:57.830 --> 01:44:00.189
system and and continue to evolve in

01:44:00.189 --> 01:44:02.319
this area and rapidly . Thank you

01:44:02.319 --> 01:44:04.486
Secretary and a lot of that technology

01:44:04.486 --> 01:44:06.541
is being developed in my district in

01:44:06.541 --> 01:44:08.763
the state of New Mexico so I appreciate

01:44:08.763 --> 01:44:10.875
you . Uh , lending them , uh , a hand

01:44:10.875 --> 01:44:13.041
to be able to compete , uh , for these

01:44:13.041 --> 01:44:12.740
contracts , uh , Secretary Driscoll ,

01:44:12.950 --> 01:44:15.061
given the rising use of drones , uh ,

01:44:15.061 --> 01:44:17.339
for military and intelligence purposes ,

01:44:17.430 --> 01:44:19.470
what is the Army doing in FY 26 to

01:44:19.470 --> 01:44:21.748
improve our counter drone capabilities ?

01:44:21.748 --> 01:44:24.029
Um , congressman , this is top of mind .

01:44:24.080 --> 01:44:25.636
We are testing all sorts of

01:44:25.636 --> 01:44:28.399
capabilities . Um , directed energy is

01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:30.510
one that I think we've all read about

01:44:30.510 --> 01:44:32.399
recently that , um , it is a very

01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:34.621
difficult science problem to solve . We

01:44:34.621 --> 01:44:36.955
don't have a scalable solution yet . Um ,

01:44:36.955 --> 01:44:38.732
we are working with , um , tech

01:44:38.732 --> 01:44:40.899
providers from our SAGU that is trying

01:44:40.899 --> 01:44:42.955
to out the best lessons of Ukraine .

01:44:43.040 --> 01:44:45.279
There are a lot of technology providers

01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:47.446
in Ukraine . They're , they're calling

01:44:47.446 --> 01:44:49.557
it in some ways the Silicon Valley of

01:44:49.557 --> 01:44:51.501
war right now and so . What we are

01:44:51.501 --> 01:44:53.612
trying to do is instead of needing to

01:44:53.612 --> 01:44:55.723
innovate as a nation ourselves we can

01:44:55.723 --> 01:44:57.723
be fast followers on a lot of these

01:44:57.723 --> 01:45:00.001
tools , um , and the army is , um , um ,

01:45:00.001 --> 01:45:02.223
working daily to try to come up with as

01:45:02.223 --> 01:45:04.390
many solutions as possible . Thank you

01:45:04.390 --> 01:45:06.501
Secretary and I wanna switch topics I

01:45:06.501 --> 01:45:08.612
add one thing on that general , I , I

01:45:08.612 --> 01:45:08.060
just wanna make sure I get to to these

01:45:08.060 --> 01:45:10.282
other questions here . Um , excuse me ,

01:45:10.390 --> 01:45:12.334
I wanna switch topics to the troop

01:45:12.334 --> 01:45:14.557
deployments on the border . I represent

01:45:14.557 --> 01:45:16.779
180 miles of the US-Mexico border , the

01:45:16.779 --> 01:45:18.946
entirety of the New Mexico border with

01:45:18.946 --> 01:45:21.001
Mexico . Uh , and recently the troop

01:45:21.001 --> 01:45:23.168
deployment to the border has created a

01:45:23.168 --> 01:45:25.168
military zone , uh , that has taken

01:45:25.168 --> 01:45:27.279
over the management of public lands ,

01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:29.501
federal public lands . In fact , um , I

01:45:29.501 --> 01:45:31.612
have a deer hunt this year in an area

01:45:31.612 --> 01:45:33.723
where I'm no longer able to hunt , no

01:45:33.723 --> 01:45:35.890
longer able to enter , and it's become

01:45:35.890 --> 01:45:35.270
unclear where the boundaries of this

01:45:35.270 --> 01:45:37.437
military zone actually start and where

01:45:37.437 --> 01:45:39.659
they end and that's unclear not just to

01:45:39.659 --> 01:45:41.714
hunters or people who enjoy the land

01:45:41.714 --> 01:45:43.881
but also to local governments , county

01:45:43.881 --> 01:45:45.881
commissioners of those counties who

01:45:45.881 --> 01:45:48.048
represent those border counties . Um ,

01:45:48.048 --> 01:45:50.214
how fast can we get the information of

01:45:50.214 --> 01:45:49.770
where these military border zones

01:45:49.770 --> 01:45:52.009
actually exist and what can Americans

01:45:52.009 --> 01:45:53.953
who go into these existing federal

01:45:53.953 --> 01:45:56.065
public lands managed by the Bureau of

01:45:56.065 --> 01:45:58.065
Land Management expect some answers

01:45:58.065 --> 01:46:00.231
about whether they will be apprehended

01:46:00.231 --> 01:46:02.453
or arrested within these border zones ?

01:46:02.453 --> 01:46:04.231
We , we can provide , uh , very

01:46:04.231 --> 01:46:06.509
specifically , I'll bifurcate my reply .

01:46:06.509 --> 01:46:06.259
We can provide that information to your

01:46:06.259 --> 01:46:08.370
office and then , uh , to , to people

01:46:08.370 --> 01:46:10.370
on that specific land . The army is

01:46:10.370 --> 01:46:12.203
working incredibly hard with our

01:46:12.203 --> 01:46:14.315
soldiers to put out signage . Um , we

01:46:14.315 --> 01:46:16.648
have taken it over recently and so , um .

01:46:16.648 --> 01:46:18.870
Thank you Secretary . I appreciate that

01:46:18.870 --> 01:46:21.092
because so far we have not received any

01:46:21.092 --> 01:46:20.819
response from the Department of Defense

01:46:20.819 --> 01:46:22.979
or the Army . So thank you , Ail uh

01:46:22.979 --> 01:46:25.090
chair not recognized gentle lady from

01:46:25.090 --> 01:46:27.090
Virginia , Ms . Kiggins . Thank you

01:46:27.090 --> 01:46:29.312
very much to both of you for being with

01:46:29.312 --> 01:46:31.423
us today . And although I represent a

01:46:31.423 --> 01:46:33.423
big Navy district in Virginia's 2nd

01:46:33.423 --> 01:46:35.423
district in Hampton Roads , I'm the

01:46:35.423 --> 01:46:35.060
daughter of a Green Beret who served in

01:46:35.060 --> 01:46:37.339
Vietnam , so I appreciate again both of

01:46:37.339 --> 01:46:39.500
your services . I wanted to just echo

01:46:39.500 --> 01:46:41.333
my colleague's uh sentiments for

01:46:41.333 --> 01:46:43.444
prioritizing the quality of life work

01:46:43.444 --> 01:46:45.500
that we did last Congress . We . The

01:46:45.500 --> 01:46:47.556
housing , child care , health care ,

01:46:47.556 --> 01:46:49.222
pay and compensation , spouse

01:46:49.222 --> 01:46:51.444
employment . These are really important

01:46:51.444 --> 01:46:53.444
issues and we hear it time and time

01:46:53.444 --> 01:46:53.424
again and across the service branches .

01:46:53.504 --> 01:46:55.226
So thank you for continuing to

01:46:55.226 --> 01:46:57.415
prioritize that . I , I echo their

01:46:57.415 --> 01:46:59.471
sentiments just about , you know , I

01:46:59.471 --> 01:47:01.693
know there's a lot of needs in the , in

01:47:01.693 --> 01:47:03.526
the balance , the budget is , is

01:47:03.526 --> 01:47:05.748
confined . So , uh , just make sure you

01:47:05.748 --> 01:47:07.915
don't forget about quality of lifelong

01:47:07.915 --> 01:47:09.804
those same lines that we talked a

01:47:09.804 --> 01:47:12.026
little bit about power grids and I know

01:47:12.026 --> 01:47:11.665
Congresswoman Stefanik mentioned Fort

01:47:11.665 --> 01:47:14.209
Drum . And we have similar challenges

01:47:14.209 --> 01:47:16.376
at Naval Station Norfolk and Naval Air

01:47:16.376 --> 01:47:18.598
Station Oceana again in my district and

01:47:18.598 --> 01:47:20.653
And we have an offshore wind project

01:47:20.653 --> 01:47:22.876
that is actually giving the air station

01:47:22.876 --> 01:47:24.709
a $500 million dollar power grid

01:47:24.709 --> 01:47:26.820
upgrade , which I appreciate . It's a

01:47:26.820 --> 01:47:28.931
little , little bit of a creative way

01:47:28.931 --> 01:47:31.042
to do that . But uh there's also talk

01:47:31.042 --> 01:47:30.459
about , you know , small modular

01:47:30.459 --> 01:47:32.515
reactors which you all mentioned and

01:47:32.515 --> 01:47:34.515
then , uh , just adopting right now

01:47:34.515 --> 01:47:36.626
we're having to adopt the local power

01:47:36.626 --> 01:47:38.681
grid , which , which do you prefer ?

01:47:38.681 --> 01:47:40.959
Which would work out better , uh , for ,

01:47:40.959 --> 01:47:43.126
for the army and then what are some of

01:47:43.126 --> 01:47:45.403
the barriers to , to implementing that ,

01:47:45.403 --> 01:47:45.819
that power source ?

