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Good afternoon . This is my favorite

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part of the entire conference . I hope

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you guys are excited .

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All right , so everything we do and

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we've heard all week long is to support

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folks like these running around in the

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field to defend our country , yeah , or

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the boat or whatever . Um , so these ,

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uh , gentlemen , we have all gentlemen

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this year . These gentlemen have come

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in to uh spend some energy and some

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time , um , sharing with you their

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thoughts and perspective about what

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it's like out there in the . And what

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they think about the experimental

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events that they have attended this

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afternoon . There is a Power Hour

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that's talking about the experimental

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events that GO puts on to get

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warfighter input into our technologies

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early and often . I won't go into

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detail on that , but every one of these

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people sitting on the table has been to

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one of our events . And so they're

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graduates of one event or another and

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so they have a unique perspective both

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on modernization of the force and on

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what experimentation means to them .

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And so we're going to go down and

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introduce each of them , and then we're

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going to start receiving questions from

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the audience and they will answer it as

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we've been introduced . This panel is

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speaking from their own perspective .

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This is not the Army , the Navy , the

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Air Force , the Marines position on

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anything . They're speaking from what

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they understand , what they know , and

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their own experience . So I would like

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to ask you to remember that as they go

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through . That's our caveat of , you

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know , this is my voice , not anyone

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else's . So without further ado , I'm

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going to introduce the phenomenal folks

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next to me . Uh , first we have senior

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Airman Charles Brousseau . Charles

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Brousseau is from Arlington Heights ,

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Illinois . He is an Air Force emergency

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management specialist . Um , yeah ,

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cool . He spent 7 years in the Air

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Force and has been stationed in places

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like Germany and Qatar , and he is

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currently stationed at Seymour Air

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Force Base in North Carolina . Do you

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have anything you'd like to add ? No ,

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ma'am . Looking forward to answering

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everyone's questions . Wonderful . Next

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in line we have Staff Sergeant Larry

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Dobbs . Staff Sergeant Dobbs was born

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in Newton , Georgia . He has had 15

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years in service and he is currently

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stationed at the I lost it . He's in

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Fort Knox , Kentucky , and he is , uh ,

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oh , I'm sorry , my mistake , he's

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served in Fort Knox , Kentucky , but

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he's been currently serving , I'm just

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messing this up . Where are you serving ?

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Fort Liberty , North Carolina . Fort

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Liberty , North Carolina . I keep want

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to call it Fort Bragg , and I just keep

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stumbling over changing it . He is a

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public health officer or public health

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NCO . Um , so Seburn crosses the border

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between medical and as we've learned

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all week , medical and Seaborne itself ,

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and so he is here to give us that

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perspective . Is there anything you'd

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like to add from your background ? No ,

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I was just glad that there's events

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like this that exist that I wasn't

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aware of until I got the experience .

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Awesome . Next in line is Staff

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Sergeant Joseph Everett . He is from

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Rome , Georgia , 6 years in service ,

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currently serving at McDill Air Force

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Base , and he's been in places like

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Davis Monthan and in his relatively

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short career , he's done quite a few

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wonderful things . I'm going to let him

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tell you about it . Yeah , I've

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deployed twice out of Davis Monton .

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I'm currently at McDill now , so right

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down the road . Um , so yeah , I'm just

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excited to be here . After that is

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Captain Juan Gonzalez . Juan Gonzalez

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is from the National Guard . He is a

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National Guard perspective . He's

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currently stationed at the civil

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support team uh in Georgia . Um , he is

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from , uh , San Juan , Puerto Rico ,

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correct ? Yes ma'am . All right , but

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he's been in the National Guard for all

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14 years of his career , but he's got a

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very varied background . He's not only

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a Seaborne officer now , but he's been

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in the MP battalion as an HRC

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representative and as an engineer , he

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went to Afghanistan . So anything you'd

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like to add ? Um , really just been a

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privilege being here , learned already

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a lot and looking forward to continuing

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down this path . Next in line is Master

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Sergeant Joshua Malka . He is from Bay

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City , Michigan . Go green .

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Go lions . Go lions . He , he's

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a Seabor officer from the Marine Corps .

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He has 19 years of experience , a

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varied , varied background on where all

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he served , but the one that I pulled

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out that he was lucky enough to be

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assigned to the Marine Squadron 1 for

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the president's Marine One helicopter .

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I thought that was cool . Anything

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you'd like to add ? No , I'm happy to

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be here . Hopefully I can contribute

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something and we can all learn some

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stuff , and happy to have the pre .

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Excellent . Next in line is First

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Lieutenant George Moore . He is from

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Birmington , Alabama . He's been in the

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United States in the Army for 3 years .

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He is our infantry representative , so

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he came to our last Saboa with a with

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his infantry platoon , and so he's got

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a unique perspective from our Seaber

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officers . He's a United States

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Marilitary Academy grad , and he's

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currently stationed at again at Fort

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Liberty . Anything to add ? No , ma'am .

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Thank you and thanks everybody for

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having me here . And last in line but

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not least is Corporal Alex Pen

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Placencia Garcia . I've had trouble

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saying that name all day , so please

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forgive me , but he has been in the

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Marine Corps for 2 years . He is a

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Marine Corps specialist and currently

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stationed . He's from Belhaven , North

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Carolina , and currently stationed at

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I'm missing it . Where are you

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stationed at Camp Lejeune Camp Lejeune .

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Got it . Anything you'd like to add ?

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It's a privilege to be here . Thank you .

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We have asked all of our panel

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representatives to be candid , to relax ,

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to tell some jokes , uh , so we , we'd

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like to make sure that we , uh , uh ,

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keep that going throughout , guys . No

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holds barred . We want to hear it

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straight . I've already forgotten the

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joke , so I'm gonna let you tell it .

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Lieutenant Moore wants to share a joke .

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Yeah , so Mr . Brooks was talking about

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yesterday how , you know , we're

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looking , right , it might have been

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the other panel speaker we're looking

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for who's gonna star in the next Seurne

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movie , um , really just looking for

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who's gonna make the Captain America

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juice . Like I'm really looking for

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that stuff . So I'm pretty tall right

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now . This is great . I know what it's

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gonna look like when I finally hit that

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grows spurts everybody's been talking

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about , but yeah , that was , that's my

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piece for I'll see you guys later . All

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right , now that we've lightened the

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mood , we'd like to start answering

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some questions . We've got a couple

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that we presented to the to the panel

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members before they got here , so we're

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going to start with those . And the

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first question is , when focusing

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forward , what is the biggest chem bio

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gap you see ? What keeps you up at

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night , and how can experimentation

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help close that gap ?

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Mason Malco , would you start with us ?

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Yeah , sure , ma'am . Um , so what , uh ,

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keeps me up at night ? like to quote ,

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uh , a hero of mine , I keep other

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people up at night . That's uh that's

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General Mattis , um , no , but , uh ,

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but for me I , I think probably um

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emerging biological threats um because

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of the advanced technology that we have

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right now and the ability to , uh ,

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modify or um create viruses

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or or um other biological weapons .

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I think that's going to progress at a

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tremendously fast pace and then we also

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don't have any real early warning

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detection systems to find those things

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far enough in advance . We're kind of

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reactive towards that , so that's kind

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of the biggest concern that I would

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have if I had to choose one . Ever ,

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would you like to add anything ? I

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would agree with that completely . I

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think the , the , uh , fentanyls that

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we know of , um , we , we don't have

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the capabilities to really . Uh ,

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measure that right now or uh deter it

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enough . I think weeks like this are

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essential for us , um , the innovation

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moving forward and getting it down to a

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tactical level , um , because this ,

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this stuff doesn't progress in a vacuum ,

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so we have to keep talking , keep , uh ,

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implementing this stuff in the field ,

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um , in order for it to progress , in

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order for it to close that gap .

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Lieutenant Moore , yes , ma'am . Yeah ,

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so I think I'd echo both of them , but

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for me at the platoon level and the

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squad level stuff that keeps me up at

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night is like the training , so lack of

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training on advanced sea burn

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techniques . Uh , everybody , every

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soldier that goes in the army , you

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know , learns how to put on the suit ,

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how to wear the mask , but when you

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actually get to the force , it's

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difficult to actually find the time to

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use even the minimal sensing

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capabilities we have as well as just .

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Input that into the larger scale

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exercises that we do , um , so I would

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say the training and then again the

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unknown like I don't know this is not

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my world so I'm really grateful that

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all of you are here and can can handle

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that side , but I just don't know what

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else is out there and I've learned a

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lot this week , so that's stuff that

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keeps me up at night , ma'am . On the

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uh on the Kim bio side kind of

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caveating what everybody else said is

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uh Just the equipment that people at

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the frontline would have for bio

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purposes . I can't really imagine

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anything that's at the front lines and

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the closest thing to anything

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bio-related would be the lab techs that

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are roll 2 , but roll 2s only have

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maybe 1 or 2 lap techs of that . And if

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you look at the Army framework ,

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they're going to be like thousands of

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meters away from the front line . So by

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the time they even get to that portion ,

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there's probably not like nothing they

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can do at that point . Russo .

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Uh , for me , protective gear is a big

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one . there's a pretty big gap right

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now , uh , largely because we're still

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using a lot of stuff that we're using

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like World War I , World War II era .

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Um , we currently are using suits that

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may or may not be able to deal with

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some of the ongoing incoming threats

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that are coming out . So for me at

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least I get a little nervous when I

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realize that there's stuff that can

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bypass a lot of the equipment we have .

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Um , especially when we don't have

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enough equipment to detect it early on

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to avoid it , so to me the protective

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gear is a big one . Copo Gracia .

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For me personally , whenever I think

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about the gaps , uh , I think about the

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rise in production of fentanyl , and

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the fact that our near peer adversaries

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are producing it at a larger scale ,

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and we don't have that much to detect

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it on in our squads .

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Captain Gals . So my perspective is

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gonna be a little bit different , uh ,

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not just being National Guard but also

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being in the civil support team .

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Thankfully , uh , we get a chance to

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work very closely with a lot of the

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personnel in this room and so we have

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equipment that really can detect a lot

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of this the one shortfall that we still

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see . Consistently is on the bio side

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and we need to close that gap on having

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uh some kind of equipment that's gonna

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allow us to rapidly detect bio threats

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so that we can have an opportunity to

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catch it , treat it , and maybe um .

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Get ahead of the spread . So I think

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bio is definitely what keeps me up the

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most and just thankful that we have a

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lot of equipment set to handle most of

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the threats . OK , next question . What

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was or were your biggest takeaways from

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your participation in our

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experimentation event ? What value did

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you get out of it ? We're just going to

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run down the line on this one . Uh ,

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the back and forth , uh , just

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conversations when people would show us

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their equipment . I could ask about it

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when they asked me what I thought of it ,

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I could be honest with them and they

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were very receptive to it . So I guess

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just the back and forth uh nature of

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just kind of feeling like it was

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working towards improving products and

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those products could be used for us

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someday . So it was , uh , I , I like

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that part about it . I thought that was

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my favorite . Mine was the uh different

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echelons of uh like seaburn efforts . I

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didn't know about some of the Seer uh

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capabilities that went past a brigade .

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So echelons above brigade that wasn't

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tracking some of those , uh , it's nice

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to know that people are investing and

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there was some promising equipment at

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these uh these events . Like there was

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one piece of equipment that could

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potentially replace 20 cases that we'd

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have to carry , and these cases are

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pretty big , so . Once it gets approved ,

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like more equipment like that , that

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would help with the condensing and just

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the travel portion of getting to the

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place that we have to do the testing at .

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Mine was , uh , really seeing the why

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why we're doing these , these things ,

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um , anyone can go out there and swing

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a meter , um , but seeing the why of ,

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of what we're here for , um , what

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we're up against , that's really cool ,

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um , being the dumbest , smartest

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person in the room at all times , uh ,

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that was really cool because there's

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some brains here and that's , that's

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really cool to see like at the top

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level what what's really going on

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behind , um , the green screen . So

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yeah , well said , um . I'm the

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operations officer for our unit , so

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the biggest takeaway for me personally

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was seeing . The big push on the

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interoperability and the communication

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ensuring that what the equipment that

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we take down range and the devices that

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are employed all have sensors that are

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being automatically fed back . Getting

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that information in real time um is a

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huge force multiplier because it allows

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us to not just have our personnel who

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are on ground . Watching , detecting ,

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trying to feed back information what's

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happening , we see it firsthand , which

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allows me to have my science officer

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has our analytical minds . Seeing at

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the same time as our entry personnel

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are getting this data and they can help ,

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you know , we're they're punching out

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data sheets and getting the information

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we need in order to be able to provide

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the best information on not only what

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samples to take , uh , but how best to

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identify exactly what's happening there

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and then feed that information higher

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so the interoperability , that

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communication gap , um , I'm seeing

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that gap dwindle , uh , very fast .

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Uh , for me , so I , I was involved in

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Saboa 23 and 24 . Uh , both of those

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events I had kind of a limited role .

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Um , I went as a platoon sergeant ,

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senior listed advisor for my Marines ,

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um , so I'm sure that they gathered a

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lot more experience out of that , uh ,

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than me . But for me personally was the

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interaction with the developers and the

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scientists and the individuals that

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were creating the new tech , the

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emerging tech , um , being able to

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influence how they are designing that

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equipment , uh , so when it reaches the

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hands of a service member , it actually

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is useful , so they're making those

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considerations early on . We all know

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that there's a disconnect between

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scientists and developers with the

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technologies that's coming out , and

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it's really hard to kind of envision

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maybe our side or our perspectives on

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what we're looking for and what we need

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a piece of equipment or a piece of

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technology to look like and and to

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function , um , but that was probably

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the most valuable piece for me . Yeah ,

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so for me I was at Saboa 2024 . Um ,

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I've got three things . First was just

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on a personal level and then for the

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platoon , like the value of getting the ,

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the mop gear and actually doing real

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training in it , um , was super

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valuable because everyone got to learn

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like , OK , now . You know , I'm

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setting up my kit differently . I'm

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looking down my sites differently , so

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how does that actually work ? Um , were

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we going to have to do this ? And then

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2 , the ability to interface with the

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enablers . So there was another

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lieutenant from a different army unit

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who was kind of , he provided the Seer

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support for my platoon for a lot of

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that and so just getting to learn from

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him . And his experience with Seurne

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stuff helped me go back to my company

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and kind of level up our Seur thinking

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on some of the the piece of equipment

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that we want to order um in the coming

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fiscal year and then finally the value ,

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um , like everyone has said of just

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getting like I had private first

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classes specialists in front of um

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developers and technologists and being

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able to show like hey . Your piece of

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equipment , it works really well , but

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like the way it's situated , like I'm

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not going to be able to put that on a

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vehicle . I'm not going to be able to

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put that on my rucksack . I'm not going

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to be able to jump out of an airplane

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with it . And so that was really cool

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to see that interface between um those

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two groups of people that often don't

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get a chance to talk to each other and

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share experiences . Right , so they

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kind of hit most of it , but being that

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service member , that marine that was

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actually down there with the gear . I

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enjoyed being able to cross train with

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the infantry at the same time , having

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the scientists come up to me telling me

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this is what my piece of equipment is

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for , and this is how I envisioned you

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would use it . Go out there into the

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field , going out there into the sea

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burn environment and telling them , OK ,

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I see that you have a handle , maybe

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you might want to sling it , or maybe

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you wanna Have it be attached this way

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and it's a great concept and just

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tweaking it and making it better for us

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while we're down range . Being able to

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influence that at the early stages is ,

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is really important . OK , we're going

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to go the other direction this time ,

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so you're going to start this next

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question . This next question is , is

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the chem bio threat something that is

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generally a concern or even recognized

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and acknowledged at the individual

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warfighter level ? So the chem bio

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threat for Seaburn , of course , that's

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our major job , but for the infantry ,

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that's our job to go to them and tell

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them , yes , this is something that you

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need to be wary of , this is something

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that you have to think about , consider ,

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because they're thinking about their

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major job and maybe they're not

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thinking about how I can have my mop

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inside my pack , maybe they're not

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thinking , oh , I can have this level

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one detector and do this in case I come

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across that . So It's on

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us to be able to tell them , it's very

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important . I'd like to say , they have

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somewhat of an understanding , but not

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to the level that it should be . Yeah ,

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I would , I would echo that . I think

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you hit it really well . On the army

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side , um , I would say your individual

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like your lowest level . Knows how to

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put on their mask like I said , knows

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how to wear the suit , um , but other

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than that they kind of just , I mean we

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just kind of use it when we need to and

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that's where I kind of see a lack of on

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my end like personally the ability to

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understand the sensors and know which

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sensors detect which threats and then

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what that means for me on a tactical

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level . So does that mean I'm putting

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on just my mask ? Does that mean I'm

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putting on my suit ? Does that mean we

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need to leave um and move out to the

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role too ? To get treated for something

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that we don't even know we have . So ,

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um , I would say it's a limited

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experience , limited thought , um , at

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the or chem bio threats , but it's

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definitely there , um , and it's

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growing . Yeah , um , definitely , uh ,

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at the , at the individual level ,

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right , the , the experience and the

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amount of care , um , is gonna vary

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greatly across the board when you're

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talking about just general , uh ,

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forces inside the military , inside the

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Marine Corps specifically , um , but

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Marines are gonna do what they're told

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to do , so they're gonna train how

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they're told to train , uh , somebody's

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gonna come up with that plan . So

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really the important driving factor is

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always going to be commanders . Do the

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commanders prioritize Seaborne training ?

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Do they prioritize training under

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Seburn conditions and making that time

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and effort needed to get their unit

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ready to operate in Seburn conditions

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and that's really . Uh , where the

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focus my focus really is in my specific

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job is , is trying to convince those uh

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units that it's , that it's important

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and they need to do it in a certain way .

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Once again , being a part of the Army

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National Guard , I'd say the The

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general war fighter from the National

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Guard , this would not be as much of a

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concern for them being the civil

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support team as the smallest element of

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the Seaber Response Enterprise or

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decree that was mentioned yesterday .

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Uh , this is what we do every day . 22

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full time , you know , AGR personnel .

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Our mission is chem bio RAD and so

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absolutely for us it's the very , it's

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what we think of when we wake up . It's

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what we think of throughout the day and

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it's what we think of when we go home .

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On call 24/7 365 so I say all that to

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say um . There's one of us ,

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at least one unit in every single state ,

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and so wherever you guys are stationed

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at if it's on KOU , then seek out your

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CST close by because I believe we can

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be a huge help in . Fixing and helping

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to train through that gap because it's

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what we do every day . 365 .

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Uh , as a Seaburn instructor , uh , in

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the Air Force , this is something that

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frustrates me the most , um , having to

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teach something where the buy-in just

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really isn't there . uh , thankfully we

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haven't really had any major issues or

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concerns to do that buy in . um ,

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however , it's , it's usually just a

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PCS , um , requirement or uh

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deployment requirement checking a box ,

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um , so . Yeah , again , it falls back

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on the commanders , um , to really get

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that buy in , uh , to the warfighters

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and , and let them know that this is a

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a major deal . To

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caveat what he just said , yeah , they ,

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uh , is to check the box with the 10

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level task like maybe doing the gas

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chamber , but , uh , no one goes into

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more depth , at least in the units I've

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been in where they talk about like

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what's the tactical procedure if there

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is a sea burn attack like . Like they

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did one exercise where one guy knew if

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you honked the horn 3 times , you know ,

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that's a good sign , but no one in the

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camp knew that , so notionally they all

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died . So like it's just stuff like

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that . You got to put that into

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practice . You can't just assume people

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know something that you've learned

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years ago and just never brought up

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again , so . More of the same from

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the last two comments . Um , I mean ,

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I'm also a sea instructor for the Air

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Force , um . It always depends on the

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class , how much buying I'm going to

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get and also how much energy I put into

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it plays a role , but more often than

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not , I'm usually getting students that

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are there to meet the requirement and

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then they want to go home afterwards ,

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and that's kind of the attitude a lot

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of them walk in with . Overall ,

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I can usually get them to understand

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how to wear the gear correctly , which

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is a win , and that's About all I can

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ask for , uh , can you wear the gear

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correctly ? Do you know how to stay

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alive as long as your gear is working

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correctly too ? That's kind of the big

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thing , uh , that I try to push into it ,

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but in terms of everything else that

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gets taught during those classes . It's

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not what it needs to be in terms of the

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buying , at least kind of the same what

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they were all saying , so . OK , we're

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going to move on to the next question .

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This is very similar to one we already

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had , but it's focused on combat

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operations and austere environments .

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So we're going to focus those to some

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folks who've actually been in combat

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operations . So I'll ask first Massar

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Malk . So I think

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probably one of the areas that

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that's kind of most in need of

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improvement is probably early warning

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or standoff detection . Um , and then

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also I know it's already been discussed ,

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but uh that simultaneous or immediate

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feedback from detectors , uh , through

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that , uh , that network , that system

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network to where other echelons of

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command can receive those readings

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immediately . um , I think both of

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those things would probably greatly

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improve , you know , the , the

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readiness , um . That the units would

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have So , uh , my

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only combat operation I had was when I

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was a Cav Scout , but this was back in

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2012 , but the , uh , when we went to

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Iraq , fought War Horse , I don't even

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remember ever packing anything seaburn

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related , to be honest . The only thing

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we packed was the uh . The needle , the

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apetrinapatrina . I remember packing

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that up , putting in our duffel and

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just leaving it there , but like

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anytime we went out on a mission , all

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we ever brought was just make sure we

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had our commo equipment skirt away and

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then a mine detector , and that was

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really it . So there wasn't really any

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sea burn focus around that time or

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error . And for any of you , pending

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your answer you did on what you , what

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keeps you up at night , uh , are there

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any additions you'd like to make when

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it , when you use it from a lens of

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combat or austere environment ? Would

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you like to add anything to your

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previous statements ? I think the use

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of drones , um , obviously attaching a

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piece of equipment to that , um , and

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the robotic dogs , that's gonna be huge

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moving forward um if we can take our

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war fighters out of the , uh , direct

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danger , then by all means let's let's

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do that let's use drones because that's

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gonna be the way moving forward I

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believe . Do you think use of drones

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and the robotic dogs would allow you to

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expand those that are doing the

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reconnaissance to people who are not as

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big a specialist as some of you ? I do

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think so . I think , um , for myself ,

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not , not having a 3 echo 9 , we can be

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there as an advisory role , um , more ,

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and we can have more people in the

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fight if we do have the use of drones

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and obviously more equipment attached

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to those drones , um , it would need

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less 30.9s we could serve back as a ,

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um , subject matter experts . Yes ma'am ,

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I do agree with the drone portion

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because I know it's been brought up by

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my battalion commander . He wants to

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try and do operations where To see what

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heat signatures or equipment to give

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off . So if we're worried about , you

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know , drawing attention , the drones

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would not only do a good portion for

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reconnaissance and just identifying

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what's in the area , whether it's

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biological or any other sea burn type

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of threat , but it would also divert

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their attention . Potentially , so

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there's multiple faucets with that .

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OK . Next question is , as the approach

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to warfare changes , what level of CB

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experience do you expect your tactical

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forward units to have ? Does this

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change if the unit will be disconnected

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from comms for a substantial period ?

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Anybody want to take that one to start ?

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I can take that one . Yeah , so two

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parts to this question . I would say

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yes , at the squad level , uh , platoon

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level . CB experience should increase

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and I think I already talked about that

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with the training um and then the

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ability to use the sensors that we have

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available , mainly the JCAD , um , but

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the second part is kind of the the

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biggest one is the change that needs to

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occur is the the ability to if coms are

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lost , the ability to conduct a

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deliberate or as deliberate as possible

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decon . Um , and that's a decon kit

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with , you know , that you can carry on

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you , um , or carry in a rucksack and

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be able to withstand all the stuff that

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you're putting it through , um ,

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because if you can wear the suit , you

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can wear the mask for as long as

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possible , but at some point you do

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have to take it off . You've got to

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manage heat and you've got to manage

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nutrition and hydration and so in order

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to do that you have to . Correct me if

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I'm wrong , but you do have to decon

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and do a deliberate decon , so the

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ability to do that forward or as far

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forward as possible is something that

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um definitely . From personal

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experience , like definitely needs to

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be learned and trained and uh gained .

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Anyone else ? I'll add to that . So

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we've done a lot of different training

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events and exercises where we have

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different people doing different things .

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We've tried out having non-specialists

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participate in certain seaburn

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activities , um , specifically EOD when

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defusing bombs and whatnot . They'll ,

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if they have chemical agents inside of

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them or anything like that , they'll

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try to take a sample of some variety .

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It generally has not met the standard

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of how a sample needs to be taken in

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order for it to be qualified to go to a

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gold standard lab . Um , however , when

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we're on scene with them or when we're

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nearby and able to communicate with

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them , what they need to do works a lot

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better . So having to combat our Seer

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experience and the tactical level down

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on the ground with them can do a lot in

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that situation . You want to ?

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You have to say , yeah , so . I think

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it's important to remember like what

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the purpose and function is behind

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making sure that these units are ready ,

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so like we need to be able to have our

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combat units be able to project power

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and to continue and to complete their

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missions , and that's really what it

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boils down to . What do those marines

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or sailors or you know soldiers need to

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do to be able to project power ,

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continue their mission . And then close

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out and mitigate any after effects once

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they've done that . Um , so really the

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biggest thing , um , like , obviously

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you want to share information as much

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as possible , but when you're on the

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ground and you're fighting in the

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middle of like an austere environment

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and it's contested and you care about

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whether or not you're going to get shot

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or blown up , Seaborne kind of falls to

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the backside a little bit , so they

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just need to be able to be protected so

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they can get out of that situation if

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they are in . You know , a firefight

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simultaneously with contamination ,

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which would be the worst case scenario .

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It truly is and I'll ad . Which is why

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I believe we definitely need on the

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home front our training we absolutely

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need to increase the training . If we

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give them the training they they know

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how to do their infantry mission ,

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their their tactical mission . If we

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make sure that we have the Seer

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training to it at home , then that

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becomes a part of how they operate ,

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which will assist them once they

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eliminate the two-legged threat , then

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um they can work towards making sure .

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That they can at least now make it

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safely back home . So maybe they're

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safe from that two-legged threat . Now

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with that Seaburn train they can lean

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back on what they learned from the

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Seabor side of things so that they can

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properly decon themselves and make it

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out of that um hazardous environment .

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OK , next question . What is the

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longest time you've ever spent in a mop

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4 protected posture ? Did you trust the

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PPE and how confident were you in your

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unmasking procedures ? I think we can

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probably just go down the line for this

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one . Good . Uh , the longest time I

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spent in MP4 was 12 hours . Uh , trust

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in my , it was an exercise , so trust

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in the PPE wasn't a big concern for me

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at the time . Uh , confidence in my

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team masking procedures again , kind of

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the same thing was an exercise , so it

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was little threat , so I wasn't too

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concerned . I believe the longest I've

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ever been in it is probably an hour . I

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mean , obviously with the gas chamber ,

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it works effectively with that . I just

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wouldn't because I'm not a Seburn

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specialist , I wouldn't know how

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effective it would be . Since I'm

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assuming biological would be smaller

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microns , I'm not sure how effective

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the filter would work with anything

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that was non-chemical related that's

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could be a biological threat . Uh ,

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personally I've been in it for 12 hours

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at a time . Um , did I trust it , um ,

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knowing what I know about permeation

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volatility and persistency of some of

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these fifth gen agents , I can't say

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that , uh , I would , um , but that's

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just knowing too much . I think

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everyone else would trust their PPE if

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they put it on correctly , um , as far

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as unmasking procedures , I , I have

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full confidence in myself in that as

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well . Map for In general , as the

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CST we try not to get into any mop gear .

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Um , however , thanks to their normal ,

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uh , army training , we , we , I'd say

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maybe 2 hours in between the , the ,

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the chamber and , uh , then the , uh ,

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couple of different iterations of

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Seaburn training we've done at Fort

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Underwood , uh . I trust it For certain ,

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um , certain hazards , however ,

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thankfully as CST we get an opportunity

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to be in Level A , uh , we're in .

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Fully enclosed and encapsulated uh gear

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that we don't we can absolutely fully

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trust what uh . Most hazards that we

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get in I'd say all hazards I've ever

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been presented with . Thankful for that .

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Uh , for me , Map 4 specifically ,

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probably somewhere in the realm of

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about 24 hours , um , but that's not

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that bad . mop suit's not that bad .

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It's , it's , it's a snowsuit and a

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mask and some rubber gloves . Um ,

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longest I've been in level B , and if

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you're familiar , I , I'm hoping a lot

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of you are , um , longest I was in that

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was for about 4.5 hours , um , with hot

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bottle swaps and , and that's , um ,

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that was in the heat of the summer in

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Indiana . No , Doc Schwartz knows about

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that . Um , I trust the PPE ,

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um , or IPE we should say , um ,

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it just really depends on what it is ,

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right ? There's a lot of different

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stuff out there , um , general purpose ,

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um , JS List , uh , with the M50 for ,

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for the general force , it's good .

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It's good for what we need it to be .

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It can be a lot better , um . And

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yeah , uh , confident in unmasking

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procedures , that's not too hard . Um ,

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I've also done several iterations of of

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live agent training , um , in a varied

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level of IPE , um . So it

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works , it does .

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Yeah , for me , I think the longest

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I've spent in mop 4 is probably about 2

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hours . I'm gonna be honest , it was at

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Saboa 2024 , so that shows my very

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little experience level that I trust

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the PPE not fully because it was the

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the suit that we were experimenting

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with , um , so I hadn't hadn't been

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approved yet , um . But it was an

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exercise , so no , no huge risk there .

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And then how confident were was I in

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unmasking ? Pretty confident that the

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army unit we were working with there

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was pretty good at the , the decon

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stuff and then , um , taking us through

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that , so no issues there . So for

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myself and our mission set , I would

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say maybe around 7 to 8 hours , just as

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long as it takes to get into MO ,

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traverse the area , get to the mission ,

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conduct the mission , deal with

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whatever goes wrong cause if something

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can go wrong , it will go wrong . The

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time it adds on from that , getting

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back and then going through the decon

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line . And as for trusting it , I would

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also bounce to the idea that I was in

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the live nerve agent training and Yes ,

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it was a very controlled environment ,

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but it worked , so I would say it's

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pretty effective . Varied

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experience and map here . OK , wearable

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tech like biosensors are increasingly

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common and have been a common topic at

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this conference . What would you say

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are make or break factors for a

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wearable used in the field ?

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Uh , stability , is it going to stay on

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me is probably the biggest concern just

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because with a lot of moving around , a

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lot of picking things up , running

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around all over the place , you're Your

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biggest concern is probably isn't going

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to stay on me , at least mine .

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Uh , having to make enough for every

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individual because they're probably not

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considering how close some people are ,

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whether it's a company or maybe if it's

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like an infantry platoon or if it's a

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person clearing rooms because that's

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the case , it could the number could

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like dwindle down to probably around 5

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people instead of every single person

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wearing it , the person in the front

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would wear it . So you'd have to

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consider the logistics and what they're

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gonna actually , how they're going into

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it to certain units to make it to where

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it makes sense to where it also saves

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money and to where it can be spread

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across the forces . And the potential

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of it breaking . Yeah , I think the

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biggest question is can we decon it ?

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Um , if we can't decon it it's a one

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and done use then it's not going to be

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too great for us . Um , I , I think

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obviously if we can decon it and use it

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over and over , then we're going to get

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more bang for our buck for that .

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Absolutely , uh , durability and

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potentially connectivity seeing that we

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want anything that's going down range

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with us having sensors that reach back ,

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um . Durability and connectivity and

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the challenges that come with that in

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an austere environment . I'm I'm at the

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end of the line , so they took all my

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answers already . um , but I think

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probably another consideration is if it

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is like a biosensor type of piece of

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equipment where you're wearing it

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underneath the suit , you have to

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remember that it's underneath the suit .

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So if you're thinking about creating

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some type of watch that you have to

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manipulate with your hands that's

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reading your life functions , well , as

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soon as you put a suit on , you can't

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do that anymore . So you got to make

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those considerations too , like user

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ability . Or usability in the field

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under the conditions that you're

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designing this piece of tech to work

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under . Don't , don't forget those

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things . Yeah , I'm surprised nobody

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said how good it looks , but that's

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like a big thing that I care about , um .

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Having exhausted on it , big thing is

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um connectivity and then what kind of

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signal is it emitting because if like

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my battalion commanders trying to track

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my heart rate or you know health

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metrics for for whatever reason , um ,

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definitely want to know how that's

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being transmitted and who else can see

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it um and then the other thing is .

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Like if I'm destroying it out to my

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platoon for an exercise or for a

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deployment , like I want to be able to

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track and this is really funny . I was

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telling people it's Saboa too , but

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like does it have a serial number on it ?

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Do I know which one goes to which

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person ? Because if not , then I'm

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going to lose it and I'm going to end

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up having to pay for like 30 of them .

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So you're making one , please put a

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serial number on it . Right , so

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for sensors and wearables , I , I'd

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like to say , or biosensors and

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wearables , I'd like to say how long

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you can wear it without having to

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recharge it , put new batteries in it

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because if you're in an austere

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environment , if you're forward

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deployed , you , you're gonna want to

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carry less at that point you're not

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gonna want to have to carry all these

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different battery packs . How long can

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you wear it before you have to switch

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that out ? I think that's very

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important . You don't want to be mid

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mission and have to be like , oh . My

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biosensor's gone now they don't know

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how I'm feeling , what my condition is ,

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and who knows what they're thinking .

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Meanwhile , just the batteries ran out ,

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so I think that's important . While

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we're still on the connectivity issue ,

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I know we had an interesting discussion

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at dinner the other day about How many

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computers do you have for your platoon

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and what kind of connectivity you have

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to even do access , can we talk about

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that just a little bit so we can share

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with these guys ? Yes ma'am . Yeah , so

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one thing to understand that I think we

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were talking is like in the army

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specifically again and I can only speak

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to where I'm at , but I've got like

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we'll say 40 people that I'm

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responsible for . I've got 4 laptops

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for 40 people and then Like right now ,

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two of them I think are just getting ,

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they're just getting reimaged or

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repaired or whatever . So in terms of

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technology that gets pushed to us , um ,

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if it requires laptop connectivity ,

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it's probably not gonna get implemented

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very quickly or very well . Caveat of

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that . The other thing that we do have ,

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and we have a lot of them are the um

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the Atax , the , I think I'm sure

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everybody's familiar with it , but like

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your Samsung phone and really it's just

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a piece of software that's an app and

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it's like this is a really dangerous

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simile , especially for MG lieutenant ,

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but it's like Apple Maps for the army

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or for the military , um , you use it

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like Apple Maps and look at it the

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whole time , you will get lost , but

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Don't know from personal experience .

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Um , however , that is something we do

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have a lot of and so implementing the

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stuff I've seen success with new

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technology that we've gotten , uh ,

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really over the last year . Is

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implementing anything that's a sensor

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or that you want imaging on

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implementing it with that piece of

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software has been really helpful and

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something that we've used a lot of . We

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tested some of it Saboa 2024 . It

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worked really well , so for people who

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develop technology are trying to

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implement it , that is one route I

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think into our world that's a lot

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easier than , hey , like you need a

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laptop for this . So I just want to

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share that . Any what you want to add ?

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I think it is that the app is what

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Life365 or something like that usually

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track your kids . It's the military

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version of it . Yeah , that's fair .

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You can see where your friends are ,

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you can see , yeah , it's great . OK .

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All right , next question . When doing

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an exercise or a mission , if there was

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one thing you could have , what would

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it be ? More food . Let's start with

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Corporal Garcia . I didn't hear you . I

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think , oh , so I think the easy

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answer would be IPE . Obviously you

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want to have your , your gear . If

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anything happens you need to put it on ,

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uh . If it's just one thing , it would

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be my IP , something that's It would

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sustain me if anything happens . Yeah ,

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if I know I'm gonna take uh a CR threat ,

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it would just be um for us like the

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basic JS list , the mask , and then um .

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I'd say the one thing that we really

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enjoyed from Saboa 2024 was being able

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to test the new suits that were coming

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out and so if I could have one of those

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that has been like approved and checked

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off , I would absolutely take that

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today . Yeah , same ,

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I mean .

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IP protection Yeah , everything

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out . We're talking

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Kimbao I need one Device

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From what I remember from , I believe

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I'm the only person with the nations

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dragon crew here , so , um , the arcs ,

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I don't remember all the ins and outs

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of that device , but that device had a

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huge library and it could detect so

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many and it was pretty small , so it

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was like replace the JCAT and like 5

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other different um things that even us

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on the CST have . So if I needed one

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piece of equipment that was going to

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give me a wide array of understanding

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of the hazards I'm in . Currently , I

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would say speak to the arcs or

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something like them . I would say more

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bodies , um , getting people out there

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um to do the decon set of it or or

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whatnot whenever we do come back or we

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do go down range um that's gonna be

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crucial and if we can't have that then ,

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um , the training beforehand , the

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training before the exercise or the

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mission , uh , that will allow us to do

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the necessary mission set , um , being

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the subject matter experts , more

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training . Uh , when I was in Sabo

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there was this one cool piece of

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equipment , but keep in mind it's also

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pretty big and it does require power ,

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but it was called a Camara , had like a

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large database and it just needed a

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very tiny sample just to pick it up .

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And then there was a piece of equipment

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that was here on the first floor . I

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forgot the name of it , there's a piece

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of equipment that was a lot smaller

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downstairs that kind of did the same

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thing . Uh , just minus you can't

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attach the air sampling piece , but

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just something that's direct reading

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and can get the answer real fast

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because a lot of stuff that we samples

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we take , we got to ship it back to

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Konis so back to the states , and that

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usually takes months just to get

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results back just for a normal

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deployment . So Uh ,

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Probably just basic survival tools like

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protective gear , uh , it's right and

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it's comfortable , hopefully , that's

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kind of it though . If I've only got

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one thing , I want it to be the thing

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that's gonna keep me alive and

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hopefully that thing isn't miserable ,

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so . So since I'm the drug lady ,

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uh , what do you think about um the

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prophylaxis or other items that would

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you want those to be better , um , what

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would you want them to do for you as

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far as , you know , you have your PPE

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now , you have your cans , of course

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you want those with you in case

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something happens , but what about

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preventatives ? Thoughts

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I like , uh , so we had talked about

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this , uh , the first night .

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Prophylaxis sounds great in theory .

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Preventative options sound really good .

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Um , atropine is our go to , and I ,

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I'd be very surprised if someone was

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using that correctly for the first time

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amongst all the people I've taught how

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to use it . Um , someone in my career

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field wants to use it . I think I'd

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trust them , but anyone kind of outside

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that I just teach how to use it , I'd

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be surprised if they did it right . So

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I feel like , uh , preventative options

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would be really good simply because it

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would take a lot of the strain off

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needing to know what you're doing , um ,

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and then on top of that too just kind

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of lighten the burden of all the things

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that are out there . Obviously some of

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the concerns that come with it are what

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are the side effects , um , and . Long

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and short term that is and then it also

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doesn't work cause I'm realistically

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you're not able to test these things

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out on people cause you can't just

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throw someone in the room with VX and

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say , alright , you got a vaccine , go

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for it . So If they

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could come up with a good uh

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prophylaxis , that would definitely

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cover the , it would make the load

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lighter for the individual soldier

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because you're carrying a small ,

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probably something the size of an

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EpiPen versus um . You know , a one

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time use J list because once that's

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done you've got to get rid of it anyway .

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So how many J lists can you carry

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compared to how many types of

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medications you can carry ? Yeah , I'm

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kind of weary myself about uh the base

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populace using the Aetna or the can or

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even PTAs , um , correctly because ,

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you know , um , people will not take

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those diligently as they should . So ,

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um , I think just staying on , uh ,

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your people staying staying on the

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warfighter , um , to take those and

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obviously encourage buy in with that is ,

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is critical . Absolutely they've said

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most of it , um , proper training of

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this prophylaxis , we absolutely want

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it to , um , work , uh , consistently .

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We want it to do for our bodies what we

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needed to do , but we don't need to

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know how to employ it and then know the

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seriousness of it because with everyone

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that I've ever said there's gonna be

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some kind of side effects . So please

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let them know what . The symptoms are

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to be looking for so that you hit me

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with the right thing when I need it and

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not the wrong thing that's just gonna

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potentially make things worse . Yeah ,

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I think , I think they hit it , but I

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would like to add on there that I think

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it's Good to have options so you can

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never have too many options for

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protection or prevention , but really

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is the juice worth the squeeze for

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every situation ? Like what are the

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side effects , what are the downsides

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of any potential new prophylactics

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compared to the threat level that is in

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the direct area that you're going to be

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going to ? So , um , yeah , it would be

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great to have more options , um , but

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maybe not have to use them all the time .

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Yeah , yeah , I've got nothing to add .

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I would defer to the experts up here

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for that one . I agree .

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OK . All right , how can medical

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support be better for the war fighters

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for sea burn and the wider biological

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threats , both deliberate and natural ?

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Anybody want to tackle that one ? Uh

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I kind of , uh , I mean , I'm not a ,

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I'm not a medic , but I do work around

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uh medical companies , uh , and then

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I've seen the navies their ports , they

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actually have like a An equivalent to

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what like like some in a preventive

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medicine detachment , they have

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something similar except with their

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detachment they have like the tech and

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then also the uh scientists behind it

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to do both the Um , the , uh , the

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competent plus the uh just the

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technical support behind it . So like

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for instance they would have a chemist .

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With the person with one of their techs

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to help with the , you know , with the

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work they had a lab tech with the

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actual microbiologist , so potentially

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maybe these role 2s and role threes

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just maybe a little more CE support in

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their companies because right now they

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only get one CR specialist who's just a

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junior enlisted just came out of AIT

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and Uh , but then the army would have

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to , you know , military would have to

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kind of add more , um , positions ,

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which I'm sure that's a lot of work .

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Uh , whatever the units in to maybe

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like add a Seer officer with that

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company if they're really that

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concerned . Um , other than that though ,

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I can't really think of anything else .

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Anyone else want to tackle that one ?

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I'll add . So we saw as far as the

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new technology part of it , we saw in

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one of the breakouts the Uh , some type

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of uh equipment that we could wear like

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with a watch or whatnot that could

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potentially tell us that we have , um .

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Encountered some kind of a hazard

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before we even start being symptomatic .

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So if there is technology that can be

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developed that's gonna allow us to see

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what we have come across prior to us

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even starting to feel the symptoms ,

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then I think that would be golden

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because not only can we go ahead and

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administer the treatment to the person

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before they start getting too

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symptomatic , we can also pull that

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person from the fight so that they

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don't potentially expose the rest of

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the people around them before it's too

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late . Especially with the pandemic

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that we just went through , I think .

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Technology like that would be vital .

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On the CST end of things , um , we got

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a 22 man team . I got a 4 man medical

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with a PA , a med NCO , and a medical

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operations officers , so we're

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extremely , uh , but it is extremely

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important that we have that because we

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know if we come into contact with

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anything , not only do we have our

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medical personnel right there on the

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ground with us , but we also have , uh ,

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personnel who can reach back to the

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local hospitals to advise them on what

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is coming their way because most local

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hospitals aren't going to . Know how to

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they they get a seaburn hazard up front .

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They're not really gonna they they may

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not have the right personnel in place

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to be able to administer the right

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treatment and having that those medical

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personnel to speak that language with

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them is gonna help them not be scared

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when a , a , um , um , a patient comes

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in with exhibiting those kinds of

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symptoms but also know how to treat

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them and maybe separate them from the

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rest of the populace . Did you have a

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first year ? Yes , so when I was

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thinking medical , the During this week

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I was saying about these questions and

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something that bounced into my head was

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When you get injured , you're going to

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treat the injury that's going to kill

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you the fastest , and maybe at a

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certain point this might be a shot in

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the dark , but if you might have a

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bandage or something with a sort of

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neutralizing agent at the same time so

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you can apply pressure so you can sit

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there and stop that bleeding while

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treating the agent that could have

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gotten in there . That could be

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something to somebody , who knows .

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That's the only thing I did . All right ,

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the next question is , when you're

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given a new technology or a

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countermeasure and are in the

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circumstance where it needs to be

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employed for the first time in the

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field , how do you have confidence in

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the technology ? Is there anything that

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the researchers could do to benefit you ?

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I think so to the more confidence in a

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new technology as it rolls out . I

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think I'll take this one first .

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There's not going to be any new piece

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of equipment or technology that we're

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going to get unless it's like cops

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commercial off the shelves that we're

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not going to train with through the

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acquisition process . By the time we

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get it , we're already gonna know it's

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coming . We're going to get new

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equipment training . We're gonna train

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extensively on it before we actually

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push it out the door onto an exercise

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or a deployment or a mission or or

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anything like that , um , so that .

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This question kind of doesn't really

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apply . I guess I'm gonna add , so I

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can only speak for non-seabi and stuff

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in this instance , but I'll show like

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an antidote from from this year . Uh ,

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my unit received some brand new night

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vision capabilities , night vision

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goggles , as well as thermal sites . We

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did know they were coming , however , I ,

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not to disagree with you , but I did

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receive them , receive them literally

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the day I was supposed to jump out with

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them , um , and so . Got those and then

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kind of played around with them for

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that exercise and then the stuff that I

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saw worked the best was The I guess

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researchers is the wrong words , but

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the people who were kind of responsible

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for this equipment and made this

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equipment came to the unit . I don't

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know what that process looked like ,

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but they contacted the unit , came to

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us , and then took the squad leaders

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and the team leaders , so your your NCO ,

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your junior NCO population from the

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army . And said , hey , we need 2 from

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each unit or 4 from each unit , and

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then they took them out to the ranges

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and taught them how to use all of it

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and grabbing that population was the

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best move that they could have made

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because those guys , their job is to

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learn things very quickly and then

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teach them to the rest of the force

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very quickly . So um I can speak to

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that from that little anecdote about

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the night vision capabilities is that's

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where we've seen the most rapid

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increase because we've gotten a A good

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amount of new technology this year and

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that's how the researchers and uh I

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guess the marketers did it is they came

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to the unit and said , hey , let's go

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to a range , let's show you how this

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stuff works and then very quickly

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everybody was pretty spun up . I'd say

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it took a month for once we got them

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and not many people had touched them

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until everybody was pretty spun up on

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it . So we're able , everybody now uses

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it . We used it in our big certifying

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exercise this year . It worked really

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well . So perhaps the researchers could

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start to do the training program while

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they're developing the tool instead of

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waiting till they're done and then

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trying to do a training program . Yes

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ma'am , and they're reaching out to

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whoever your you know contact is

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through these different commands and

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seeing if you can get . A person as

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well as the product in front of the

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smallest unit possible and that is the

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stuff like we did it with lasers , we

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did it with the night vision and that's

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the stuff that one convinces everybody

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because I be honest , most people like

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they get handed the new equipment and

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they're like , OK , the the manuals ,

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you know , 200 pages long , it's a

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night vision goggle like I kind of know

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how to use it , so I'll use it , but

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I'm using , you know , 20 or 30% of its

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full capability . When in reality once

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those guys came through and taught us

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everything , then now it's very easy .

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OK , I don't need to read 200 pages on

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the weekend like I'll just listen to my

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squad leader tell me how to use it and

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then , you know , 2 hours later I can

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use it to 100% of the capability . Um ,

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so for the equipment , make sure it can

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be like calibrated and maintenance , or

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at least calibrated at the user level .

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If it requires maintenance , maybe talk

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to whoever coordinates with , like for

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instance , uh , if the army or Fort

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Liberty , like for instance Fort

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Liberty , if they need a maintenance ,

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they have to either go through their

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own mechanics , which are 2 level . Or

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they got to go to either the TMD office

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for the installation , which they ship

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it to approved facilities for

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maintenance , so it's gotta be able to

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get maintenance by the army or military

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approved maintenance programs because

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if not then it's just gonna end up

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sitting somewhere and never getting

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used and broken and whatever depot I

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had to go to it it just gets it usually

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gets turned in like for example we have

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something called the ESB uh

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environmental Sentinel bimonitoring and

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uh . It's got , it comes with reagents .

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It has chemicals in the water . It

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comes with reagents , very short shelf

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life , like 4 or 5 months . Once it's

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expired , you can't train with it . You

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can't even turn it on , and it just

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became a paperweight . So and then we

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couldn't order more reagents unless

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we're deploying , which we're not

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deploying , so we can't order reagents

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for training and you can't use expired

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reagents to train . So if you can at

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least have it to where if the reagents

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expire and you can still at least train

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with it , that'd be very beneficial as

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well . I think that . Uh , we had a ,

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uh , we just got a piece of equipment

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at our base that was , I think , pretty

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new . It got dropped off and then the

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the tech who or the individual who

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dropped it off also trained everyone on

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how to use it , so we took a class for

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a couple of days , sat there , talked

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through how to use the equipment , gave

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us handbooks to use it , and then get

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us a card to contact them if we had any

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questions and that . Checked all my

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boxes for how to use this piece of

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equipment and I felt pretty good

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afterwards , so I , I didn't have

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anything more to add after that

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situation , so I guess that'd be a good

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model to go off of send someone who's

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qualified to teach people and then .

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Have them leave the , leave the card

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behind so people can contact them if

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they have questions . OK .

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Historically , we tend to be reactive

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in adjusting TTPs . How can we be

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more proactive in training and

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development of TTPs , tactics ,

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techniques , and procedures that

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support countering the chem bio threats

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we may face in the future ? Any

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volunteers ? Go ahead . Uh , exercises

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are big for a lot of things . Uh , one

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of the biggest things is seeing if the

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TTP works in the first place when you

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start . Reading this checklist or this

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TTP that you have in your hand off and

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you're like , alright , do this , this

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and this , and then you see what that

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looks like in practice . Sometimes it

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lines up , sometimes it doesn't , so

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that's probably the best way you can

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actually Improve the TTPs is apply them

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to situations , create hypothetical

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scenarios where you're dealing with XYZ

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threat , and then do an exercise and

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see if the TTP is applicable , and if

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not , make adjustments as needed . With

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the TTPs like Just like this uh

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conference has been saying a few times ,

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partnerships , uh , for instance , Fort

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Liberty , they've had two . Like they

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tried to do two large scale combat

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operation exercises and both times

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something pops up , uh , whether like

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Poland , we had to go to Poland for the

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Ukraine mission and then uh later was

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the hurricane . Helene , uh , both

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times interrupted the training exercise .

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So since I've been on Bragg for 5 years ,

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there's not been any type of large

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scale , like something that just puts

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different units together . I can't

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speak on it for any other unit , but at

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least for 44th Med Brigade . Uh ,

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hasn't been a lot of joint training

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with that because there's always

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something that pops up . So for a TTP

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to work , you got to coordinate with

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outside units like for instance , for

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my job we're supposed to . Uh , direct

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with the quartermasters and then the

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engineers to find a water source to

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make sure it's good and then provide

59:45.015 --> 59:47.629
water to the forces , but Uh , my

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current commander is going to try and

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do some kind of working groups so we

59:51.796 --> 59:51.629
can do that because ever since I've

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been here I've never seen that happen

59:53.740 --> 59:55.962
and that's that's a big deal . Water is

59:55.962 --> 59:58.129
something that you're going to need to

59:58.129 --> 01:00:00.351
sustain the forces anywhere , so . Just

01:00:00.351 --> 01:00:03.560
coordination . From my personal

01:00:03.560 --> 01:00:05.879
perspective , uh , I think a lot of

01:00:05.879 --> 01:00:08.110
times as a 3 Echo 9 in the Air Force ,

01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:10.416
uh , we get stuck in policy , we get

01:00:10.416 --> 01:00:12.800
stuck in doctrine , um , so thankfully

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:14.911
we have these courses , uh , that are

01:00:14.911 --> 01:00:17.120
coming out , um , known as Valex and

01:00:17.120 --> 01:00:19.320
Spears , um , that allow us to go out

01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.320
there and , and mess up like they ,

01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:23.610
they let us mess up full speed , um ,

01:00:23.689 --> 01:00:26.000
but that really is shaping our TTPs ,

01:00:26.010 --> 01:00:28.232
uh , to where we really want to be as a

01:00:28.232 --> 01:00:31.489
career field moving forward . I think

01:00:31.489 --> 01:00:33.600
everyone's pretty much said it , uh ,

01:00:33.600 --> 01:00:37.000
constant training at all echelons , um .

01:00:37.669 --> 01:00:39.800
And then being able to do those

01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:41.911
validation exercises that allow you ,

01:00:42.010 --> 01:00:43.899
OK , we did this training at this

01:00:43.899 --> 01:00:46.010
echelon but now let's do a full scale

01:00:46.010 --> 01:00:48.232
exercise to ensure that what we trained

01:00:48.232 --> 01:00:50.288
at these different echelons actually

01:00:50.288 --> 01:00:52.454
still makes sense when you mesh it all

01:00:52.454 --> 01:00:54.621
together . And then doing that with an

01:00:54.621 --> 01:00:56.788
open mind so that we're not leaning on

01:00:56.788 --> 01:00:58.677
historical TTPs and instead we're

01:00:58.677 --> 01:01:00.788
adjusting to the new equipment or the

01:01:00.788 --> 01:01:03.899
new mission set that we have . I think

01:01:04.699 --> 01:01:07.459
Fresh blood in , old blood out . TTPs

01:01:07.459 --> 01:01:09.570
need to come from the bottom up . You

01:01:09.570 --> 01:01:12.219
need to listen to the junior service

01:01:12.219 --> 01:01:14.441
members on the ideas that they have and

01:01:14.441 --> 01:01:16.441
not just shut them down immediately

01:01:16.441 --> 01:01:18.497
because they're going to be the ones

01:01:18.497 --> 01:01:18.489
that are coming up with the great ideas .

01:01:18.939 --> 01:01:20.995
Um , and then additionally on top of

01:01:20.995 --> 01:01:23.479
that , You need to read . You need to

01:01:23.479 --> 01:01:25.646
read as much stuff as you can possibly

01:01:25.646 --> 01:01:27.709
read , and you need to share your

01:01:27.709 --> 01:01:29.709
lessons learned and the information

01:01:29.709 --> 01:01:31.959
that you have across the board as much

01:01:31.959 --> 01:01:34.126
as possible . Marine Corps has got the

01:01:34.126 --> 01:01:36.459
Marine Corps Center for Lessons Learned .

01:01:36.459 --> 01:01:38.792
I'm not sure what the other services do ,

01:01:38.792 --> 01:01:40.903
um , but writing after action reports

01:01:40.903 --> 01:01:42.903
and sharing that report is vital so

01:01:42.903 --> 01:01:44.792
somebody else can learn from your

01:01:44.792 --> 01:01:46.903
mistakes and your efforts before they

01:01:46.903 --> 01:01:48.848
even have to make those efforts by

01:01:48.848 --> 01:01:50.820
themselves . Yeah , I'll kind of

01:01:50.820 --> 01:01:53.139
combine what's been said . So junior

01:01:53.139 --> 01:01:55.195
service members absolutely should be

01:01:55.195 --> 01:01:57.361
the ones a lot of times to drive those

01:01:57.361 --> 01:01:59.417
TTPs when we're talking about Seburn

01:01:59.417 --> 01:02:01.472
stuff . It's going to be getting the

01:02:01.472 --> 01:02:03.639
Seer threat in front of the commanders

01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.750
who are designing these exercises and

01:02:05.750 --> 01:02:07.861
then putting people through them . So

01:02:07.861 --> 01:02:10.083
if you have a Seer threat that no one's

01:02:10.083 --> 01:02:12.417
seen before and then the commander says ,

01:02:12.417 --> 01:02:14.639
all right , we're going to influence it

01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:16.806
in the exercise , and that's kind of .

01:02:16.806 --> 01:02:18.972
You know , all the guidance he gives ,

01:02:18.972 --> 01:02:21.139
and then , you know , the soldiers are

01:02:21.139 --> 01:02:20.280
going through the exercise they

01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:22.502
encounter a sea burn threat and whether

01:02:22.502 --> 01:02:24.558
they do well or they don't do well ,

01:02:24.558 --> 01:02:26.558
that after action review is a thing

01:02:26.558 --> 01:02:26.320
that's going to drive them to do the

01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.487
TTP . So as long as someone is putting

01:02:28.487 --> 01:02:30.709
the focus on what actually , you know ,

01:02:30.709 --> 01:02:32.709
in this case a seaburn threat in an

01:02:32.709 --> 01:02:34.876
exercise , that's where those TTPs are

01:02:34.876 --> 01:02:36.931
going to happen or those changes are

01:02:36.931 --> 01:02:39.098
going to happen because we never do an

01:02:39.098 --> 01:02:41.042
exercise where we don't conduct an

01:02:41.042 --> 01:02:42.987
after action review and then don't

01:02:42.987 --> 01:02:45.153
change our TTPs if they did not work .

01:02:47.139 --> 01:02:49.195
So I think , I think Master Sergeant

01:02:49.195 --> 01:02:51.306
hit it directly on the head . I think

01:02:51.306 --> 01:02:53.639
first of all , we need more information ,

01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:55.806
more knowledge . We have to go out and

01:02:55.806 --> 01:02:55.379
read more , see what's going on

01:02:55.379 --> 01:02:57.657
overseas , see what they're working on .

01:02:57.657 --> 01:02:59.840
At the same rate , I think getting

01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:02.250
those scenarios , going out there ,

01:03:02.449 --> 01:03:04.616
because personally we've gone out , my

01:03:04.616 --> 01:03:06.782
team , my squad , we've gone out , had

01:03:06.782 --> 01:03:08.893
the old doctrine , see what works and

01:03:08.893 --> 01:03:10.893
what doesn't work , at that point ,

01:03:10.899 --> 01:03:12.955
you're going to sit there and switch

01:03:12.955 --> 01:03:15.177
and you're gonna , you're gonna make it

01:03:15.177 --> 01:03:17.288
more effective , more efficient . And

01:03:17.288 --> 01:03:19.399
you're going to relay that to anybody

01:03:19.399 --> 01:03:21.288
else who's going to Sit there and

01:03:21.288 --> 01:03:23.399
listen pretty much so information and

01:03:24.050 --> 01:03:26.590
Different scenarios I would say . So

01:03:26.590 --> 01:03:28.870
all of you have been to at least one of

01:03:28.870 --> 01:03:31.037
our experimentation events . I'm going

01:03:31.037 --> 01:03:33.350
to tie that TTP question in with our

01:03:33.350 --> 01:03:35.294
experimentation events . Is that a

01:03:35.294 --> 01:03:36.961
venue that you think would be

01:03:36.961 --> 01:03:40.300
appropriate to evaluate new TTPs ?

01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:46.570
You can say no . So it would make sense ,

01:03:46.659 --> 01:03:48.969
but only if you took the event to maybe

01:03:48.969 --> 01:03:52.860
the uh To to an installation and

01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:54.971
then have people in that only in that

01:03:54.971 --> 01:03:56.916
installation kind of work together

01:03:56.916 --> 01:03:58.916
because you got like different um I

01:03:58.916 --> 01:04:00.860
mean yes we do need to build up to

01:04:00.860 --> 01:04:00.139
where different branches are working

01:04:00.139 --> 01:04:02.459
together but start off with uh just the

01:04:02.459 --> 01:04:04.403
units on that installation to work

01:04:04.403 --> 01:04:06.459
together first and then then you can

01:04:06.459 --> 01:04:08.515
see how you can kind of have face to

01:04:08.515 --> 01:04:10.626
face with their commands and uh maybe

01:04:10.626 --> 01:04:10.580
put some ideas through to where they

01:04:10.580 --> 01:04:14.000
actually will work together . And then

01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.719
they can see how it goes , they do the

01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.052
lessons learned like I mentioned before ,

01:04:19.052 --> 01:04:21.219
and then I feel like it just puts more

01:04:21.219 --> 01:04:22.941
face to it if you do it at the

01:04:22.941 --> 01:04:25.110
installation and only use the people

01:04:25.110 --> 01:04:27.166
that are on the installation so then

01:04:27.166 --> 01:04:29.388
they can actually work together because

01:04:29.388 --> 01:04:31.554
before then they probably Hadn't had a

01:04:31.554 --> 01:04:33.443
chance to work together like that

01:04:33.443 --> 01:04:35.499
before . But yes , it does , uh , if

01:04:35.499 --> 01:04:37.832
you did it like that , I think it would ,

01:04:37.832 --> 01:04:39.999
it would be great to help , um , maybe

01:04:39.999 --> 01:04:41.999
not force new TTPs but to help them

01:04:41.999 --> 01:04:44.550
figure out new TTPs and then . Push it

01:04:44.550 --> 01:04:46.494
up the chain and see how it goes .

01:04:46.959 --> 01:04:49.360
Anyone else ? Yes , I will definitely

01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:52.280
add to that . You bring up a great

01:04:52.409 --> 01:04:54.520
point , uh , Dobbs , that the , um ,

01:04:54.810 --> 01:04:56.866
having all the different echelons in

01:04:56.866 --> 01:04:58.754
these exercises , maybe there's a

01:04:58.754 --> 01:05:01.010
portion of that exercise where working

01:05:01.010 --> 01:05:03.010
through , even if it's just talking

01:05:03.010 --> 01:05:05.232
through what your TTPs would be , could

01:05:05.232 --> 01:05:08.739
be beneficial . But there's a little

01:05:08.739 --> 01:05:11.399
bit of a challenge because We're also

01:05:11.399 --> 01:05:13.510
trying to get the scientists that are

01:05:13.510 --> 01:05:15.732
involved that have created these pieces

01:05:15.732 --> 01:05:17.732
of equipment . We're trying to give

01:05:17.732 --> 01:05:19.955
them as much feedback as possible , and

01:05:19.955 --> 01:05:22.010
we found it as a challenge uh during

01:05:22.010 --> 01:05:24.580
our tenacious dragon exercise . Do we

01:05:24.580 --> 01:05:26.699
focus because my guys were really on

01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:28.866
wanting to get down to the TTPs and to

01:05:28.866 --> 01:05:31.032
make sure that we went in there in the

01:05:31.032 --> 01:05:33.199
manner that we really would operate in

01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:35.500
a real world situation as we as CSTs do

01:05:35.500 --> 01:05:37.722
it , but that's gonna be very different

01:05:37.722 --> 01:05:39.889
as what a lot of the other echelons do

01:05:39.889 --> 01:05:42.939
it and we also are there to provide

01:05:42.939 --> 01:05:45.139
that value to the scientists that have

01:05:45.139 --> 01:05:47.260
created these pieces of equipment so

01:05:47.260 --> 01:05:49.149
that they can have them work most

01:05:49.149 --> 01:05:51.510
effectively for us . So we can talk a

01:05:51.510 --> 01:05:53.732
little bit through the TTPs , however ,

01:05:53.750 --> 01:05:55.583
sometimes it becomes a challenge

01:05:56.350 --> 01:05:58.406
because we may try to do too much on

01:05:58.406 --> 01:06:00.628
TTPs and then we don't get the feedback

01:06:00.628 --> 01:06:02.850
that the scientists need to continue to

01:06:02.850 --> 01:06:05.017
tweak their piece of equipment to make

01:06:05.017 --> 01:06:08.530
it better for us in the field . Anyone

01:06:08.530 --> 01:06:11.189
else ? are we on this question ? We

01:06:11.189 --> 01:06:13.411
haven't got to this question yet . OK ,

01:06:13.411 --> 01:06:17.139
I don't have anything . I'd say . But

01:06:17.139 --> 01:06:19.250
I'll ask you first for the next one .

01:06:21.020 --> 01:06:23.600
The experimentation events um for

01:06:23.600 --> 01:06:25.544
non-seaburn specialists absolutely

01:06:25.544 --> 01:06:28.290
beneficial for TTP development because

01:06:28.879 --> 01:06:31.046
while we did have to , you know , stop

01:06:31.046 --> 01:06:33.157
sometimes to implement the technology

01:06:33.157 --> 01:06:35.323
like just the fact that you're getting

01:06:35.323 --> 01:06:37.546
us in . Mop suit , you're getting us in

01:06:37.546 --> 01:06:39.657
the JS list , you're getting us in um

01:06:39.657 --> 01:06:41.601
the masks . Like I learned so much

01:06:41.601 --> 01:06:43.712
about , I kind of already hit on it ,

01:06:43.712 --> 01:06:45.823
but so much about how the equipment's

01:06:45.823 --> 01:06:47.712
going to change and how I'm gonna

01:06:47.712 --> 01:06:47.590
change doing all that stuff that yeah ,

01:06:47.750 --> 01:06:50.729
my , my TTPs absolutely changed um

01:06:50.729 --> 01:06:52.562
after going through that event .

01:06:55.250 --> 01:06:58.800
On that note , I'd like to say When you

01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:00.744
create TTPs , you're sitting there

01:07:00.744 --> 01:07:02.967
working with the gear you have , you're

01:07:02.967 --> 01:07:05.022
sitting there working with the ideas

01:07:05.022 --> 01:07:04.199
you already have , and when you're

01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:07.879
working in these experimentations , you

01:07:07.879 --> 01:07:09.935
have to adjust and be fluid , and at

01:07:09.935 --> 01:07:12.370
that point your TPs aren't necessarily

01:07:12.370 --> 01:07:14.481
gonna line up because if you're going

01:07:14.481 --> 01:07:16.648
to sit there and take a sample one way

01:07:16.648 --> 01:07:18.870
and this entire gear set is a different

01:07:18.870 --> 01:07:21.037
way , you're gonna have to be fluid in

01:07:21.037 --> 01:07:23.259
that manner . And at the same rate when

01:07:23.259 --> 01:07:25.370
you're going , you're moving , you're

01:07:25.370 --> 01:07:27.314
grooving , you might get into it .

01:07:27.314 --> 01:07:29.426
You're going to get rain back because

01:07:29.426 --> 01:07:29.219
at the same time you have to give the

01:07:29.219 --> 01:07:31.020
scientists that feedback , that

01:07:31.020 --> 01:07:33.459
information , show them that the way

01:07:33.459 --> 01:07:35.570
they intend the gear to be used , you

01:07:35.570 --> 01:07:37.459
have to use it that way , when in

01:07:37.459 --> 01:07:39.626
reality you might not necessarily want

01:07:39.626 --> 01:07:41.737
to use it that way . Thank you . OK ,

01:07:41.737 --> 01:07:43.848
what can the S&T community do to make

01:07:43.848 --> 01:07:45.570
impactful contributions to the

01:07:45.570 --> 01:07:47.403
warfighter tech based engagement

01:07:47.403 --> 01:07:50.060
activities ? Mass .

01:07:50.969 --> 01:07:53.790
Um , yeah , you , if you're developing

01:07:53.790 --> 01:07:55.957
a new piece of equipment , a new piece

01:07:55.957 --> 01:07:57.790
of technology for use in service

01:07:57.790 --> 01:08:00.620
members' hands , you've got to get

01:08:00.620 --> 01:08:02.909
feedback from the service members and

01:08:02.909 --> 01:08:04.909
you've got to take that feedback to

01:08:04.909 --> 01:08:07.131
heart and you actually have to apply it

01:08:07.131 --> 01:08:09.020
to that piece of tech that you're

01:08:09.020 --> 01:08:10.909
developing because if you don't ,

01:08:10.909 --> 01:08:12.798
they're not going to want it . It

01:08:12.798 --> 01:08:14.965
doesn't matter if you think that it is

01:08:14.965 --> 01:08:17.131
right or wrong , like if , if it needs

01:08:17.131 --> 01:08:17.120
to be designed in a certain way . To

01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:20.600
fit in a certain size pouch or to be

01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.080
used in conjunction with our PPE or

01:08:24.080 --> 01:08:26.839
IPE because we wear helmets and we wear

01:08:26.839 --> 01:08:29.000
masks and we wear gloves and we wear

01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:31.526
body armor and we've got equipment and

01:08:31.526 --> 01:08:33.526
we've got weapons and we've got all

01:08:33.526 --> 01:08:33.520
these other things that we have to

01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:37.310
carry . You've got to take all of

01:08:37.310 --> 01:08:39.532
those things into consideration because

01:08:39.532 --> 01:08:41.532
if it doesn't work with our current

01:08:41.532 --> 01:08:44.049
equipment set , we're not gonna want to

01:08:44.049 --> 01:08:46.105
use it and it's not gonna get used ,

01:08:46.105 --> 01:08:48.659
we're gonna leave it behind . That

01:08:48.659 --> 01:08:50.770
that's pretty much it . You just take

01:08:50.770 --> 01:08:52.826
what you're getting from the service

01:08:52.826 --> 01:08:55.458
members to heart and consider the other

01:08:55.458 --> 01:08:57.599
equipment that already exists and

01:08:57.599 --> 01:08:59.766
whether or not it's going to work well

01:08:59.766 --> 01:09:01.821
in conjunction with those or if it's

01:09:01.821 --> 01:09:04.043
going to work in opposition with that .

01:09:05.169 --> 01:09:08.600
That's all . Any ads ? I just want to

01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:11.319
say simplify it , like really simplify

01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:13.375
it . Uh , I was in one of your guys'

01:09:13.375 --> 01:09:15.541
meetings earlier and I used to think I

01:09:15.541 --> 01:09:17.597
was smart , and then I heard some of

01:09:17.597 --> 01:09:17.229
you guys talking and I was like , man ,

01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:19.335
I think I almost understood one word

01:09:19.335 --> 01:09:21.557
and it's cool . So I just get it very ,

01:09:21.557 --> 01:09:23.779
very , very simple for us because a lot

01:09:23.779 --> 01:09:26.000
of the Like there's certain pieces of

01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.359
equipment I've used , um , one comes to

01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.526
mind , uh , when I was on deployment ,

01:09:30.526 --> 01:09:32.692
it was this very , it was a very large

01:09:32.692 --> 01:09:34.915
piece of equipment and anytime anything

01:09:34.915 --> 01:09:37.069
on it . Stopped working . We just

01:09:37.459 --> 01:09:40.500
ignored it forever . We would mail the

01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:42.778
company to let them know it was broken ,

01:09:42.778 --> 01:09:44.889
but we didn't touch any of it because

01:09:44.889 --> 01:09:47.056
it was just too big and too scary with

01:09:47.056 --> 01:09:46.970
too many shiny buttons and we just

01:09:46.970 --> 01:09:49.081
didn't want to touch any of them . So

01:09:49.081 --> 01:09:51.081
very , very simple with a very like

01:09:51.379 --> 01:09:53.660
baseline or rudimentary troubleshoot

01:09:53.660 --> 01:09:55.779
list would be ideal for most of the

01:09:55.779 --> 01:09:57.557
equipment we use if there's any

01:09:57.557 --> 01:09:59.557
expectation for us to maintain it ,

01:09:59.557 --> 01:10:03.459
that is . No bright colors ,

01:10:03.990 --> 01:10:06.339
tactical colors maybe . Those are good .

01:10:07.180 --> 01:10:10.359
Yellow yellow is bad , red is bad , big

01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:13.479
flashy lights are bad . Loud noises are

01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:17.299
bad . Too much infrared . Yeah ,

01:10:17.339 --> 01:10:19.740
infrared that shoots up , uh , disco

01:10:19.740 --> 01:10:23.509
ball into the sky is bad . Make it

01:10:23.509 --> 01:10:25.509
look really cool and it has to look

01:10:25.509 --> 01:10:29.250
really cool . Captain

01:10:29.250 --> 01:10:32.660
America , cool . Captain America .

01:10:33.810 --> 01:10:35.921
Oh yeah , Captain America , yeah , he

01:10:35.921 --> 01:10:39.370
looks cool . Right . All right , uh ,

01:10:39.529 --> 01:10:41.196
what are your thoughts on the

01:10:41.196 --> 01:10:43.362
maintainability of your current Seburn

01:10:43.362 --> 01:10:45.640
systems ? Let's start at the other end ,

01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.696
Corporal Garcia . So yes , it's very

01:10:47.696 --> 01:10:50.520
maintainable . If you teach the guys

01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:52.687
properly , and at that same rate , you

01:10:52.687 --> 01:10:54.687
have to have the people who own the

01:10:54.687 --> 01:10:56.853
equipment , the people who you send it

01:10:56.853 --> 01:10:59.020
all for repairs to , they have to come

01:10:59.020 --> 01:11:02.120
in and every now and then do . They

01:11:02.120 --> 01:11:04.680
have to re-teach because at a certain

01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:07.080
point you're gonna have service members

01:11:07.080 --> 01:11:09.302
go in , they're gonna know what to do .

01:11:09.879 --> 01:11:11.768
They're not going to pass it on ,

01:11:11.768 --> 01:11:13.823
they're going to leave and then at a

01:11:13.823 --> 01:11:15.879
certain point people are going to be

01:11:15.879 --> 01:11:17.935
left off , so I'd say going back and

01:11:17.935 --> 01:11:20.770
refreshing would be important . For me ,

01:11:20.939 --> 01:11:23.050
again , we're , we're pretty simple .

01:11:23.050 --> 01:11:25.161
I've just got massive GS lists , um ,

01:11:25.161 --> 01:11:27.106
we've got them , people like we've

01:11:27.106 --> 01:11:29.129
signed them out if , if one gets um

01:11:29.339 --> 01:11:31.450
damaged or whatever , there's systems

01:11:31.450 --> 01:11:33.283
in place to , to replace it , so

01:11:33.283 --> 01:11:35.395
nothing major on , on this question ,

01:11:35.395 --> 01:11:37.450
ma'am . Yeah , same , same thing . I

01:11:37.450 --> 01:11:39.672
mean , our , our equipment is generally

01:11:39.672 --> 01:11:42.560
maintained by civilians who are hired

01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.893
specifically to maintain that equipment .

01:11:44.893 --> 01:11:47.004
Um , if we own it and have it on hand

01:11:47.004 --> 01:11:49.171
and it needs any maintenance , we just

01:11:49.171 --> 01:11:51.116
give it to somebody else . So it's

01:11:51.116 --> 01:11:53.171
pretty simple . You got space at the

01:11:53.171 --> 01:11:55.930
Marines for me ? We have so much

01:11:55.930 --> 01:11:58.439
equipment . And it is extremely

01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:01.169
intensive time intensive to try to

01:12:01.169 --> 01:12:03.280
maintain it all , especially with the

01:12:03.280 --> 01:12:05.810
operational tempo that CSTs have . So

01:12:05.810 --> 01:12:08.529
if there is a way that you can create a

01:12:08.890 --> 01:12:11.339
high level of equipment that has

01:12:12.209 --> 01:12:15.759
Rudimentary Use like functionally is

01:12:15.759 --> 01:12:19.069
simple to use and simple and cost

01:12:19.069 --> 01:12:21.220
effective to maintain . Maybe asking

01:12:21.220 --> 01:12:23.500
for the perfect thing , that's what's

01:12:23.500 --> 01:12:25.611
going to be really beneficial to us .

01:12:27.629 --> 01:12:29.851
Yeah , a lot of the equipment we use is

01:12:29.851 --> 01:12:32.859
very rugged , um , very um military

01:12:32.859 --> 01:12:35.490
grade , which isn't always a good thing ,

01:12:36.100 --> 01:12:38.322
terrifying , but I'd say a big thing is

01:12:38.322 --> 01:12:41.089
batteries . Um , don't create a battery

01:12:41.089 --> 01:12:43.256
that is , you know , you can only find

01:12:43.256 --> 01:12:45.478
it at one place where we're looking for

01:12:45.478 --> 01:12:47.700
this battery now after it after it died

01:12:47.700 --> 01:12:50.060
on us , um , give us double A's , give

01:12:50.060 --> 01:12:52.171
us something that can easily recharge

01:12:52.171 --> 01:12:54.282
or get us back out there , you know ,

01:12:54.282 --> 01:12:56.338
um , so that's my biggest thing with

01:12:56.338 --> 01:12:59.319
our , with our equipment . Uh anything

01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:03.149
else to add to that . I mean ,

01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.399
most of it was already said . I did

01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.343
want to double stamp what you said

01:13:07.343 --> 01:13:09.455
about the batteries because something

01:13:09.455 --> 01:13:09.359
happened the other day . We were doing

01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:11.799
an exercise for a hazmat response . We

01:13:11.799 --> 01:13:13.799
brought all our equipment out there

01:13:13.799 --> 01:13:15.910
with all the rechargeable batteries ,

01:13:15.910 --> 01:13:15.680
but none of the rechargeable batteries

01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:17.569
had been recharged . We had spare

01:13:17.569 --> 01:13:19.624
batteries on them , but none of them

01:13:19.624 --> 01:13:21.513
fit inside the piece of equipment

01:13:21.513 --> 01:13:23.347
because it only worked with that

01:13:23.347 --> 01:13:25.402
rechargeable battery . So if you can

01:13:25.402 --> 01:13:25.189
make it somehow work with like

01:13:25.390 --> 01:13:27.557
rechargeable batteries that also takes

01:13:27.557 --> 01:13:29.446
disposable batteries just in case

01:13:29.446 --> 01:13:31.557
something like that happens because I

01:13:31.557 --> 01:13:33.501
mean I don't know , it does . Then

01:13:33.501 --> 01:13:37.319
that'd be great . OK , last

01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:40.910
question . If you could ask a scientist

01:13:41.160 --> 01:13:44.250
any question , what would it be ?

01:13:45.930 --> 01:13:48.509
Anybody want to start ? What do you

01:13:48.509 --> 01:13:50.065
think about flat earthers ?

01:13:52.750 --> 01:13:54.529
Um Yeah , I'm not sure .

01:14:00.700 --> 01:14:04.609
Anyone , yeah , what

01:14:04.609 --> 01:14:07.089
keeps you up at night ? Uh , you guys

01:14:07.089 --> 01:14:08.978
asked us that , and I'm sure it's

01:14:08.978 --> 01:14:11.033
different from your perspective . So

01:14:11.033 --> 01:14:13.256
yeah , what , what keeps you guys up at

01:14:13.256 --> 01:14:12.250
night ?

01:14:17.649 --> 01:14:19.760
Anyone else want to tackle that one ?

01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.549
We have At one level , the Hazmaster ,

01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:24.560
where we can look up information at

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.338
another level you have the chem

01:14:26.338 --> 01:14:28.560
Companion where you can input chemicals

01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:30.782
and different precursors and I'll start

01:14:30.782 --> 01:14:34.029
to like narrow what what you're looking

01:14:34.029 --> 01:14:36.899
at , maybe is there any way you can

01:14:36.899 --> 01:14:40.669
make some sort of AR or Heads up

01:14:40.669 --> 01:14:42.729
display where if you scan the room ,

01:14:43.350 --> 01:14:45.406
it'll read the precursors you have ,

01:14:45.406 --> 01:14:47.517
maybe detect it , have something that

01:14:47.517 --> 01:14:49.350
connects and you know , Thinking

01:14:49.350 --> 01:14:51.461
forward , it's going to sit there and

01:14:51.461 --> 01:14:53.628
narrow narrow down what you're looking

01:14:53.628 --> 01:14:56.189
at . Just an idea . That's , that's the

01:14:56.189 --> 01:14:59.830
thing . So far today , everything has

01:14:59.830 --> 01:15:03.729
been asking us . What we can do to

01:15:03.729 --> 01:15:05.896
assist you guys , I guess I would just

01:15:05.896 --> 01:15:09.500
reverse that . What can we as the

01:15:09.500 --> 01:15:12.609
warfighters do to help you guys create

01:15:12.609 --> 01:15:14.609
the right piece of equipment that's

01:15:14.609 --> 01:15:16.720
gonna end up wanting benefiting us as

01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:19.450
well . That's for a lot of y'all .

01:15:22.669 --> 01:15:24.891
Somebody in the audience want to tackle

01:15:24.891 --> 01:15:27.740
that one ? Mhm .

01:15:28.910 --> 01:15:31.939
Yeah . He said keep coming to our

01:15:31.939 --> 01:15:34.050
experiments and keep interacting with

01:15:34.050 --> 01:15:37.259
us . As long as we're invited .

01:15:40.790 --> 01:15:44.689
Yes sir . Anyone

01:15:44.689 --> 01:15:46.856
else want to tackle this one ? You got

01:15:46.856 --> 01:15:48.911
a burning science question you wanna

01:15:48.911 --> 01:15:51.133
ask other than who's making the Captain

01:15:51.133 --> 01:15:53.189
America serum ? We asked that one to

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start with . How important is , uh ,

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organic chemistry ?

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Pretty important . Yeah

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Shay GPT . All right , I think we

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have closed out our panel . They have

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if we didn't get to your question ,

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we'll try and get to them and we'll

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oppose them to the soldiers and sailors

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and airmen and Marines and see if they

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want to give them an answer . Hopefully

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we got to the most of them . I would

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like to give a big round of applause to

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our warfighters .