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OK . Um So welcome again , everyone .

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Um As I mentioned a minute and Joe

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folks in the room , my name is Tony

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Bertman from CD I and facilitating . Um

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Today , I've taken on over this project

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from my colleague Onna Ferguson , who I

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know was um a facilitator for this

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group for a long time and um really

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made some great connections with many

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of you . Um So I'm very happy need to

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be taking over from MOA . I've heard

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really wonderful things about this

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group on the important work that's

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happening here . I'm really

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spearheading what he uh excuse me ,

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what PB for mediation can be . Um So

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one of the first projects of its kind .

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So I'm real privileged to be here . Um

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Thanks so much for hosting act to me ,

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for having me . Um And I'll give my

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colleague already . You a chance to

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introduce yourself as well . Hi ,

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everyone . Pleasure to meet you all .

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Um I'm I and also with the Consensus

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Building Institute and um like Toby

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said , it's been really great to talk

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to owner and learn a little bit about

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the work you're all doing . Um And

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happy to be here and work with the

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female . Um So just a few words , sort

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of logistically speaking . Um If you

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have , um not signed in , um uh

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especially if you're a rap member ,

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right ? Please make sure that you sign

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in on the sign in sheet at some point

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for leaving today . We want to have a

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record of who is he um in terms of how

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the conversation is gonna work in the

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room . Um I understand there's a norm

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of when you want to speak , just

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putting your block like this . So if

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you're in the room and you're a member ,

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I know that you're interested in

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speaking , we'll , we'll have a

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discussion later on . Um Not in the

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moment . Um If you are a member on

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Zoom , um you can raise your hand . Um

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And RT will let me know raise your

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virtual zoom hand . Um And RT will let

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me know that you've done that . Um I

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will have her visibility to Zoom the

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whole meeting . Um But she will um if

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you are a member of the public , um we

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will be having public comment at 745 .

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Um And so , and you , everyone is

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welcome to share if you are in the room .

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Um We'll just ask for a short hand . Um

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If you're interested in making a public

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comment , there are also public comment

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cards on the table over there . So

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you're welcome to submit a written

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comment through that card or just if

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you don't want to read your hand for

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whatever reason , but you wanna just

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make it known , you wanna comment , you

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can just indicate that on your comment

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card and give it to our team . Um If

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you are online , um we'll say a little

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more about this , but you will make

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your public comment or let it be known

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that you want to make your public

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comment by emailing RT . Ok ? Um So ar

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you , you can put your email address in

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the chat . So those of you who are

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online members of the public , you can

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see that his email argued if you wanna

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make a public comment and when the time

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comes , we will um we will give you an

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opportunity to speak if you're not a

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peace RB member and you're joining

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online , you normally can , can't be

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heard , right ? Um They sort of a

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different status for people . But um

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when public comment comes time , if you

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want to speak , we'll promote you and

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give the opportunity to really do that .

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Um I think that is all the um the

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issues that they need to mention about

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this , the zoom in , in the room . I

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will say , I think that all the technic

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working and audio should be fine for

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everyone . Um fingers crossed um when

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we get some online comments , but that

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will actually be the case . Um So with

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that , let me go ahead and share um our

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agenda for today . Um We have a

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little more sense of what to expect .

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So , um we , we are , we have seen the

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type of presentations . Um We're gonna

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do a round of introductions in a minute .

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Um We'll then have um a presentation

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from the US GS on pas and , and

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background uh background on Vass in New

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Hampshire . So a prevision on some

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background data on uh soils in New

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Hampshire . Um We'll have some

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additional live presentations from the

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airport WSP and ECC and an update on

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drinking water from the city of

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Portsmouth . And then we'll transition

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into open grab um discussion time . I

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know we have um a presentation from

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Andrea um that's gonna be happening in

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there . Um And we have a chance for any

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member who wants to speak a lot of the

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comment answer questions . Um I will

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add , we're gonna do um for the U SPS

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presentation a little Q and A

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immediately after that because our US

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TS presenter um may , may need to leave

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before the end of our meeting and just

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want to get an opportunity to do that

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um at 745 we will have all the comments

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as I mentioned and then wrap things up

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and um be done by eight o'clock . Ok .

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Um So with that , um let's get an

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introduction in a second . Um Before we

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do that though , uh We just want to

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acknowledge that um Russ mccann um was

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a PS member um and did good service for ,

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I believe two years . Um It was longer

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than that . I apologize , but I think

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we just , he has moved on um at the end

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of his two year term , but I think we

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just want to acknowledge and thank Russ

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uh for his service uh much appreciated .

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Um We also have um some new members to

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uh to introduce . Um So um I'll

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ask uh our new members to in a minute ,

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just give your name . Um , just a

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little bit of a brief background about

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who you are and what brought you to the

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RB and what you hope to , to bring to

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our , our group . So , um , but if it's

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ok , we can start up with Mary . Are

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you here today ? And so Mary introduce

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yourself , Mary Marshall and um retired

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engineer and I have worked in the sea

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coast area for over 30 years . I also

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served for almost 30 years on the port

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of naval shipyard Grab , which is

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now completed because we have cleaned

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up the shipyard . So I have a very good

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feeling about that and if anybody has

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any questions for me , I'm happy to

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answer . Great . Thanks so much . Very

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welcome . Great to have you . Um We

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have Brad here right here . Great .

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Please go ahead , Brad Connolly , um ,

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retired military and high school

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science teacher . Ok . Um And I

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was a firefighter in the Air Force

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moments ago and uh the following

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Andreas our pro

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process throughout and uh I really

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involved . Appreciate it . Great .

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Thanks so much , Brad , great to have

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you in , in the group . Um And then

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we're also pleased to um to share that

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we uh we now have a permanent R A

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member um from the town of Newington .

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Uh There is a permanent position on the

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rap in the town of Newington and the

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appointee in that position . Um Is Bob

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Blu . So Bob here wanted to introduce

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you talk . No one told me this was

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permanent . I'm , I'm Bob

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Logan . I'm a selectman here in

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Newington . I live in Newington , um

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recently retired from the airport uh

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after 39 years . So I've uh traveled

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around quite extensively , but I've

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always maintained my home here in

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Newington . So , thank you . Great .

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Thanks so much , Bob . Great to have

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you . And , um you know , you didn't

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realize it was gonna be a lifetime

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appointment . So I hope we were there .

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Um All right . So let , let's go around

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the room . Um and do the productions .

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Um And I think , you know , Doctor

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Doctor Toko , will , you will let you

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introduce yourself uh because you're

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here . Um I will be presenting in a

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minute , but we'll also go around and I

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can give the members a chance to say

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who you are . Um If you wanna um you

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know your affiliation and any great

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word of welcome . Great . So , go ahead .

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Sure . Hi , Andrea Treo from the US

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Geological Survey . Um I've been

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working on P A for about 10 years now .

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Uh mostly working on and transport and

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also a lot of analytical work . I've

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run a lab at the US GS working on P A

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targeted and non analysis . Um Really

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excited to be here . I've heard a lot

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about the community and what he's been

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struggling with for a very long time

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now . So I'm very honored to be here

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and see all of you . Um And I met

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Andrea a long time ago , um and heard

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all about her work , we were discussing

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probably five or six years ago . And so ,

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um happy to be here and I will be

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around for the rest of the meeting . So ,

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um I know that your schedule . But

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yeah , Paul Roy , I'm

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from Newington and I'm a community

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member . Yeah , Mark Matson . Uh I'm in

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my third or fourth term here as a RD

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member , retired aquatic Ecologist , 39

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years . Um My primary background and

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interest is in um ecological risk

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assessment . It's Chris Kinney , I'm

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the Air Force program manager for Peace ,

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uh kind of running on all aspects of

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the program .

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Thank God . I work with a musician in

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national that uh my D uh CPA

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uh on uh our Boston office , Peter

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Sanon Ay Gas Project . Andy are

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granted community band member from

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human team . Uh First loo a community

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member . I'm also a uh water

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commissioner for the town R um and ,

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and we , we have um water that is

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contaminated with , with PP . Um And

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I'm also on the uh SD 85 committee and

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the Copeland um subcomittee . Um My

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background is a retired doctor . I'm Al

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Pratt and water resource manager for

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the city of Portsmouth . And I've been

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involved with PFAS since I started

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working for the city nine years ago .

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Like Gary Sheehan , I'm the rad member

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for the Peace Development Authority ,

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Lindsay Papa . I'm an environmental

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scientist with WSB A HA plant . I'm a

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private cardiologist with WSP .

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Uh I'm like Donahue and I'm a Newton

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community member and retired lawyer who

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first learned about Super Fund a long

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time ago . I'm still learning . Welcome

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to the new people . We really are

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really happy to have you on board . I'd

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say to me in particular and you ,

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you're lucky you didn't have a

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firefighting school over there at the

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shipyard or uh you'd still be meeting .

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Um Hi , my name is Andrea Amico . I am

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co-chair of the R A . I'm a Portsmouth

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resident and I have been involved with

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PAS issue since 2014 when I first

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learned about the contamination here .

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Um I had two Children , attending

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daycare at PS and my husband was

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working for a company at PS at the time .

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So it's a very personal issue for me .

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Hi , I'm Peggy Lamson . I'm a member of

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Grab . I'm also a member of the Peace

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Development Authority which has been a

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very interesting experience and working

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with our our town , our town Selectmen ,

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our Planning Board , et cetera . And

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it's been a pleasure to represent the

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region at Grab and also our authority .

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Thank you uh Ben Johnson community

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member from Newton . OK , thanks so

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much , everyone . Um So um we have one

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just quick order of business to approve

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the summary from the November meeting .

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Um This was sent out on March 21st . Um

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We add edits uh that we have when we do

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not receive any , any edits . So um

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just wanted to check with the group .

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Is it ok to consider um this meeting

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summary approved by the group ? Ok ,

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great . So having heard no objection ,

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we'll consider that summary approved um

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and get it posted . Um ok , so let's

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move on to our first live presentation

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of the day . Um So Doctor Keram ,

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thanks so much for your introduction of

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yourself a second ago . Um I will run

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your slides . Ok . Um And get up and

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go over to you . You have a friend . I

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think maybe it's easier for people and

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just a reminder , this is the US GS

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presentation . We're so happy to have

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you doctor T . Um But again , this is

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not a presentation from the airport .

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Just keep that in mind and um please

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ask your questions and again , so that

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the rest of the meeting afterwards can

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then focus on on the Air Force business

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as we move forward again . Thanks . Um

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Yeah , sure .

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Yeah , I can , I look it over here .

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It's actually on this . So I will

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move it over here for you and I will .

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Oh , ok . Well , I'm just kidding .

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Everybody can hear me . Ok . All right .

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Um , so again , my name is Andrea

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Takano . I'm a research hydrologist

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with the U ecological survey and very

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happy to be here tonight . And , uh ,

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so I'm uh going to talk a little bit

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about our study looking at what we're

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calling background concentrations in

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the soil across the state of New

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Hampshire . Um Really what we mean by

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background and anthropogenic background

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because true background would be zero .

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But that's just not really realistic

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anymore . For P A . You probably have

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seen articles about P A in the

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atmosphere of P A and rainfall . So

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it's in the soil . Um And we're , I'm

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going to just for the sake of a simpler

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uh speaking color background , but

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really what I mean is anthropogenic

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background of P A . Um So

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uh we're , I , I'm going to talk about

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that and then I'm going to talk a

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little bit about uh a upcoming study

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and a little bit of work we've already

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done that's published , looking at P

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PAS and groundwater supplies as well .

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Just sticking with the theme of looking

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at sort of background and B A

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concentrations of T PA .

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OK . So this work uh was a partnership

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between New Hampshire and E Ds and the

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US GS . Um The US GS did most of the

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field and analytical stuff and we

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constantly were talking with the e for

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input on what they needed um for their

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work as well . It was a really nice

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collaboration with , with many , many

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people . Um One of the reasons uh that

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we did this work is to help them with

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their soil relegation standard wool

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making um that was initiated in

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November of 2023 for four compounds .

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The compound that New Hampshire

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regulates um and they consider a number

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of things when they do these

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regulations . And one of them you can

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see is background soil concentrations .

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And for that , they need to understand

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what the background in the state truly

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was . Um The second point there , at

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least based soil concentrations and

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that we had a whole other portion of

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the study that I don't have time to

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talk with you about today , but curious

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and happy to go over that with you . Um

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where I spent many and many , many

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weeks in the lab running batch and

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column experiments trying to understand

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if you add Kas to soil and water

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mixture , how does it distribute

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between the soil and the water

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components ? And that tells us a little

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bit about what it would do in the

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environment and uh and whether or not

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groundwater is at risk . So that's sort

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of the background of why we started the

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study with the state . Um New Hampshire

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came to us and asked us for a system

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ticket . Um And so , uh we kind of

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developed this uh to essentially from

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scratch uh to try and understand

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background across the state . So we

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limited our sampling to lands that were

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only classified as forested web ,

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herbaceous barren or wetlands . Um And

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the purpose of that is we don't want to

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look at urban or V lands or

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agricultural lands . We specifically

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wanted lands that are quote unquote

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undisturbed as far as we can tell , um

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we did place a 500 m buffer around all

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parcels that have a known or potential

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KF contamination to try and stay

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outside of that area of influence . And

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those are all of those uh circles that

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you see on the map are all of the known

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Kas sources across the state of New

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Hampshire . And as you can see , they

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are quite numerous . Um and he is one

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of them , of course , but there are

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many , many , many um and we were

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pretty lucky because the state of New

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Hampshire is quite poor and their uh

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you know , assessment of pas were

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compared to many states . And so they

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had a really good handle on what P A

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sources there were across the state ,

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which allowed us to really use that and

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exclude it from our study . So we

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spread the state into one uh equal area

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grid cells . And so any of the colored

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area that you see in that map is land

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that is acceptable for sampling that's

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national land use . Um And every single

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box is an equal area . And so we took

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one sample from every single box with

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the idea that , that minimizes bias

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that we have . Um And it also provides

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equal statewide coverage . Also , it

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was not very convenient because uh we ,

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we really needed to figure out who the

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landowners were in all these randomly

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selected locations . And that's not as

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easy as it sounds um and get permission

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as well , which is also not as easy as

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it sounds . Um So it took us quite a

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bit of time , but it did provide a

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better data set . So at all 100 of

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those locations , we sampled 0 to 6

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inches in depth , we were really

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interested in that top surface soil

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concentration . Um And then at half of

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the locations , we went down to six

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inches and excuse me , 6 to 12 inches

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in depth . And then at six locations ,

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we went all the way down to 36 inches

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where we could um to just better

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understand migration of P A through the

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soil profile and we analyze for a whole

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lot of things uh P A of course , but

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then also the total oxi precursor aside ,

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um that is essentially an acid that

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breaks down precursors that we may not

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know . And we probably are not

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analyzing for um into products that we

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can actually analyze for , for which we

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actually have standards and can

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quantify . And So , uh we're able to

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get some understanding of what other T

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fats are out there that we cannot

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measure right now . Um You have that

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there are thousands of different E A

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compounds . We have analytical

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standards for about 5060 of them . Um

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It's not possible to quantify them .

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All right now . So this taa acid helps

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us get a better look at what else might

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be out there . Um We also looked at GH

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to organic carbon , carbon protein ,

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which has also been associated with P

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absorption moisture and visual

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classification of the soils . OK . So

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um I'm going to show a number of spots

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like this . Essentially , they're all

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oriented the same way where it goes

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from short chain length to long chain

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length . So the short chain LP F are

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those that are really mobile in the

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environment , they move pretty quickly

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with water . The long chain links are

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the stickier ones . They really stick

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to soils . They don't like to move so

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much with water . Um So we're looking

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here from short chain to block chain on

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the X axis and then on the Y axis is

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detection frequencies . So how often do

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we actually see those compounds um

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across our 100 samples in the state ?

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And so we're looking in orange are the

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carboxy , those with the coo P group .

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So things like te boa um and then in

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blue are the sulfates , things like T

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box . They have a sulfonate pet group .

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And so we see pretty high detection

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frequencies , it's 100% of the level of

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the compounds . We did see P A in every

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single soil sample that for example ,

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across the state all the way down to 12

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inches , every single one of them had P

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A detection . Um And if we look at the

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compounds , it's predominantly the

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carboxyl compounds . When you look at

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the blue lines , the sulfates , we see

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the zigzag zigzag back pattern which uh

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we see high to action

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frequencies for the even chain lights ,

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the 468 . And then for the odd chain

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links , the five and the seven , we

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don't see very high depiction

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frequencies at all . And that's

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reflective of manufacturing history .

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The table there that you see are , are

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not plotted , those are other compounds ,

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mostly precursors and that we do have

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standards for and uh replacement

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compounds . And generally we are pretty

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low detection frequencies for most of

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those . OK . So if we look at

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concentrations now instead of detection

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frequency , um we're looking again on

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the X axis from short chain to

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Blockchain for the carboxy , those are

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in purple and then hopefully you can

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see the colors and then from short

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chain to long chain in blue are the

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sulfates and then that green one is

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hfpod A or GEN X is commonly what it's

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known as on the Y axis is a log plot

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of concentration . And so those are

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pretty different concentrations just

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calling attention to the fact that it's

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a log plot . Um P OS to nobody's

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surprise was in concentration . The

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median concentration of PHOS was 0.96

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nanograms per gram . Um That's PB

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across the state of New Hampshire . Uh

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The median concentration of PO was 0.7

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2nd 0.76 close second . Um

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You can see that for most of the

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carboxy , we had fairly high detection

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frequencies um and high concentrations .

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And then as we look at the sulfates ,

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it's really dominated by PF OS .

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And I can come back to that , I know

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there's a lot on that slide . Um So OK ,

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let's look a little spatially as how

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this looks . So I'm showing here the

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sum of 35 different P A compounds um in

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two different ways . The first is the

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sum and nanograms per gram . Uh That's

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how I think about P A . Uh And , and

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most people do . The second plot is

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showing in fecal moles per gram because

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technically , if you're going to sum up

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concentrations from different molecular

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weights , it should be in molar form .

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Um But nobody thinks in moles . So I'm

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gonna show the rest of the presentation

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and NAGRA program . Um But it doesn't

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really change the story very much . So

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you see that there's pretty , there

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doesn't seem to be an obvious pattern

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when you're just looking at this and

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looking at those concentrations across

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the states . But uh sorry across the ,

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the across the state . But if we start

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dividing it into uh

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bins , we can see patterns start to

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emerge . So all three of these plots

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are on the same scale . Um up to three ,

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greater than a deep red is greater than

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three nanograms per gram . I don't know

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if you can read that out there . Um So

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the first plot shows uh po the second

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one , po and the third one , the top a

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result , that's the precursor results

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for PFOA , we do see a waiting in the

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southern part of the state and that is

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statistically significant where we have

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higher concentrations of PO A in the

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southern portion of the state than in

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the northern portion . For P OS . We

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don't see that same trend as strongly .

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Uh We see very high concentrations of

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phos even in very remote places up in

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Northern New Hampshire . Um Exactly why

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this is I think is still up in the air .

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But we do know that phos is , is uh

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strongly retained by organic car and by

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protein . And we see those correlations

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in the data as well . So it could

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reflect the soil composition that we're

23:31.812 --> 23:34.540
looking at for T A . We don't see very

23:34.550 --> 23:37.390
much evidence of precursors . Um I will

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say that TA A has a lot of qualifiers

23:39.511 --> 23:41.233
to it . We know that we're not

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capturing all precursors or all pfas

23:43.289 --> 23:45.670
out there . Um But it doesn't indicate

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that there is a large fraction of

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oxidized precursor in the soil , which

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is really good news . But our targeted

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methods are doing a pretty good job .

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So how does New Hampshire compare to

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nearby states ? Both Maine and Vermont

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have had some soil sampling done as

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well . And so we plotted this up where

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we could . Um So we're looking again at

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the same orientation on the X axis with

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all the compounds . And then the red

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boxes are the New Hampshire study , the

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bar study that we're showing here and

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the open boxes in yellow are the 6 to

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12 inch , those are the slightly deeper

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samples . Um And then in green are the

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Vermont data and in P in purple are the

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main data . And so we can see that New

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Hampshire has substantially higher

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concentrations for most compounds . Um

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pretty much across the board unless you

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are looking at some of these sulfates

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which um are pretty low in all in all

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states . Why that is I think is a good

24:43.650 --> 24:45.706
question and requires some follow up

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work . Things that we do know our

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population has to be in New Hampshire ,

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greater industry in New Hampshire , it

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might have something to do with it . So

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um for I I didn't mention this before

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but it , for the , the depth profiles ,

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we see that there is a statistically

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higher concentration in the 0 to 6 inch

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sample compared to the 6 to 12 inch

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sample um in almost all cases . And so

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it indicates that are really strongly

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retained the soil layer , which is not

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too surprising because it's also where

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the organic carbon is , which really

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likes to stick , really p likes to

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stick to that . Um We can do that in

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the soil profiles here . Uh going down

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to 36 inches in depth .

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OK . So I'm gonna walk through a little

25:32.532 --> 25:34.699
calculation just to put this like kind

25:34.699 --> 25:36.921
of in context . And uh with the , there

25:36.921 --> 25:39.050
are a lot of assumptions . So uh but

25:39.060 --> 25:41.300
bear with me here . So if we look at

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the mass of Paphos and the 0 to 6 inch

25:44.180 --> 25:46.069
soil layer across New Hampshire ,

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that's about 3400 kg of kot . That

25:49.359 --> 25:50.915
assumes that we have medium

25:50.915 --> 25:53.010
concentrations of 0.96 nanograms per

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gram . That's the medium that we found

25:55.187 --> 25:57.242
in our study , it assumes a dry bulk

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density of 1 g per centimeter cube ,

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which is very , very low and definitely

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on the low end . Um And in New

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Hampshire land area , excluding flicks

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and so forth , so 3400 kg of phos ,

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what does that mean ? Seems kind of

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like a lot of phos , I guess , right .

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So what does that actually mean in

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terms of um putting it into the context

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for a drinking water advisory ? So for

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example , four nanograms per liter is

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the proposed MC L for EPA . And if you

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uh calculate it that way , it's enough

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phos to contaminate over 7000 years of

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drinking uh domestic water use in New

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Hampshire at that four nanogram per

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liter concentration . Um and that's a

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soothing , almost 80 million gallons

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per day used in New Hampshire for

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domestic uses . So it's a lot of phos

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that's sitting in these soils .

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Uh I'm not gonna walk too much through

26:49.977 --> 26:52.032
this , but uh we did see a number of

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correlations of what could also be sort

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of influencing PFAS concentrations in

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the soil protein and total organic

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carbon have been shown previously by

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many studies to . So uh PF nicely and

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we see that here as well , we see an

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inverse correlation between PH of the

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soil and PF um and that has been shown

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previously as well . So our study is is

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nicely supporting kind of lab

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experiments that have have shown these

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similar things . Um And I can go in

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detail on this if anything experience .

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Um So , in summary , we did detect

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these paths and all of our samples down

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to 12 inches and that soil does

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represent a reservoir of PPOs across

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the state of New Hampshire . Um And uh

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it does uh it does um

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sort of indicate that there are long

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term implications of that . Uh what

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actually happens moving forward , I

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think is a great question . We've

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started a pilot study trying to

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understand you have sort of these

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ambient androgenic background

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concentrations in the soil . Um Do they

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leach into groundwater at a

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concentration that is concerning for

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human health over time ? And that's

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something that we're looking into now .

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So I don't know how I'm doing on the

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time . Yeah , I think you're , you're

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close to finish . I , I , yeah , I did

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talk about the groundwater but I can

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cut that part out of it . What do you

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think ?

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Um ok , so that's the leaching study .

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That's the fourth point here to try and

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understand what's happening um to

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groundwater . Uh The first three points

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I just talked about this very first

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study on the top . Um If you are

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carrying there's a link there and I can

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provide that afterwards as well . Um

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The second bullet point talks about our ,

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our partitioning experiments in the lab

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looking at batch and column experiments

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to understand how pas are uh are

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partitioning . And then the third point

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is a study we did looking at uh two

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different field sites to compare to our

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lab data . Um It's a biosolids site and

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a triple F site which would be more

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comparable in the key . Um So OK ,

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that's , that's a big study that we've

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undertaken with DES and HDES . Um The

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US JF also has its own work on pas that

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has been going on now for many years .

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And so one of those is our study is

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looking at groundwater , which I

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thought might be interesting uh just

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from this sort of background

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perspective . Um I do think it's

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becoming very apparent that uh

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understanding the background of P A is

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incredibly important because we spend a

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lot of time trying to understand

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hotspots as we rightfully should like

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places like peas where we know that

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there are very high concentrations of P

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A but there is also P FA and , you know ,

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just very pervasive um in our lives ,

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in our atmosphere , in our soil and in

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our water . And so I think that , you

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know , we're coming to the realization

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that yeah , if you have a few fast

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infection , it might not actually

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indicate that there's a local source .

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It could also just mean that that water

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has interacted , for example , with

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atmosphere sometime in the last , you

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know , 80 years . Um And I think a lot

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of work is starting to try and

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understand that better and that's

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certainly what we're trying to do with

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the US GS . Um So groundwater , um we

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published a study in 2022 looking at

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groundwater in the Eastern United

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States . Um And what we did in that

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study is we built a , a model to try

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and predict P A occurrence . We didn't

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actually do any predictions in that

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study . We used it to tell us what are

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the , the , the variables that can

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predict a P A occurrence ? Um And can

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we use those variables to build a

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national model ? That's what we're

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currently working on as a national

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model of A and groundwater . Um So that

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2022 study , uh we got 254 groundwater

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samples and we analyze them for

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everything under the sun , including ,

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you know , VO CS and do CS and

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pharmaceuticals and PF and Tritium ,

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which becomes very important . That's a

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tracer for groundwater age . Um We

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looked at geospatial data landscape

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sources of PFAS , you name it , we

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built our model , that's all the stuff

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we threw into the model . We have 57

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different predictor variables . Um And

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it did a really good job and it told us

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that , well , something that was pretty

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obvious in retrospect . Yeah . Tritium

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is gonna be a really good predictor of

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PFAS tritium . Uh concentrations

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increased around 1953 started chemical

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weapons testing , which is

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coincidentally around the same time

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that PAS started being used and

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manufactured and distributed in the

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environment . So , Tritium is an

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excellent uh tracer for P A . Um

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Unfortunately , we don't have national

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coverage of tritium across the US .

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Otherwise we could have built our model

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in two days and been done . Um But we

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don't have that . So we have to rely

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on things that we have map . So things

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like this , this is from fire training

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areas like peace or other P A sources .

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Uh urban land use is a great predictor

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of pas occurrence . And so that's what

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we're currently working on now and I

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really hope that those results are

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going to be published soon and um use

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by members potentially like yourselves

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and trying to direct resources to where

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they're needed or predicted to be

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needed . Um So that's just something I

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wanted to share with you and I think

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I'm gonna just leave it there since I

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just threw a lot of information out of

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it . So that's it . So ,

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um I , I think knowing , knowing that

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you'll be here later , you know , why

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don't we maybe we can prep for

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presentations and return to Q and A on

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this later on if that's OK . Um So

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thank you so much . That was

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fascinating . Um So we have um

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some additional presentations from um

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the ECC um and from my daily uh EPA .

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Um So you at this one ?

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Ok . So I believe this is uh

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the right deck for this . Yeah , data

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sharing update right in the right place .

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Yeah , maybe I don't know what you're

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looking at . So here uh think Chris ,

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you were gonna share a bit . Yeah , if

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you have the right deck , it should be

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mylo in that . OK . Yes . So let me

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just check if you have anything else

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from Mike , if you wanna share anything .

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No , I , I think my , anything that I

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had the editorial to ,

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to , to the All right .

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So um let me see this . Sorry , these

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ar were a little bit . Uh Let me get

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back to down . OK . Thank you .

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OK . Is this um

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so EC so ECC presentation and I'm sorry ,

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I these are these got in the wrong

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order somehow . Um So who , who's

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providing the ECC presentation ? It

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should all be in that same thing . Yeah ,

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I'm just saying this not sh ok in the ,

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in the uh yeah , apologies everyone .

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Ok . It is open here .

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Ok . Well , while that's happening ,

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does anybody have any ? That's not such

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a bad time before ? Why don't we take a

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question to see that ? Yeah . Any

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questions for doctors ,

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right . Yeah . Uh Thank you very much

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for that presentation . I really

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appreciate it . Um I was just wondering

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if you could talk a little bit more . I

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know you showed how we compare to some

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other states nearby , but how does our

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levels compare to other regions of the

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country ? Well , I think that's

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difficult to answer because I don't

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think we have that data . Yeah .

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Unfortunately , I would , I would love

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to do a national study looking at soil

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uh anthropogenic background , but I

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don't think that there , there have

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been a number of studies studies

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published looking at sort of globally

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concentrations of P A and it's very

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opportunistic samples . And so I

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hesitate to compare our data into that

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because ours was very specifically

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designed to focus on background . Other

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studies have not . Um So I , I think

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that's a hard question to answer right

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now , but I , I'd love to , I'd love to

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work on that . Um Yeah , and just more ,

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I guess , I mean , you to touch upon it

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a little bit but in terms of sources ,

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I mean , especially like up north and

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stuff you know , I mean , I think we

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can understand in southern New

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Hampshire there's s Cobain and in this

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area we have peas , we have Coby

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landfill and we know some obvious

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sources in this area . But I'm just

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wondering if there's other sources or

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any um thoughts on why it's a

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widespread issue in the soil throughout

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the entire state . My thoughts are that

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this is very much driven by atmospheric

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deposition and um I don't think that we

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have a good handle on atmospheric

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deposition right now . Um And we , we

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uh uh I think there's really two

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questions , there's , there's a local

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atmospheric deposition of local sources

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that might be distributing , keep out

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within , you know , a certain radius

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around them . Um But then there might

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also be more regional or national or

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international sources that eventually

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end up depositing over landscape

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surfaces , right ? And so I don't think

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we really have a good handle on time

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series or whether those levels have

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decreased or increased over time . We

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just don't have that data and I'd , I'd

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love to see any more atmospheric

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increase that data .

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And I think I saw Brad , did you have

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your hand up ? So I I'll wait for you .

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Ok , great . Please go ahead and that

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was excellent . Thank you . Um I just

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have a few questions , few questions .

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So you said that the long chain um

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which is PO and PF OS um they

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stick to the soil and their L mobile .

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But yet , you know , if you read on ,

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if you go on the ITRC website and you

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look at what's happening in the Midwest

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in Wisconsin , Michigan , Minnesota .

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They have studies that show that they

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uh found , for example , a class and

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found not a triple FF have they , they

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found very high concentration six miles

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from the , the landfill where the

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source was . So how would you explain

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that when you , you know , explain that

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because you have said that they're less

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mobile . Mobile . Yeah . So it's kind

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of affected six miles of mobile , I

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think . Well , it depends . Ok . So it

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depends on a lot of , it's a great

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question because yes , you're right .

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We would classify those as long chain .

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Um They're on the shorter end of the

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long chain spectrum though . Um So

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you're looking at chain link anywhere

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from really three , which is PFB A , it

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has three flooring , it occur and all

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the way up to like 1415 fluorinated

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carbon . So eight is kind of smack in

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the middle , right ? On the , on the

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very short end side , you can almost

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think about them as a conservative

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tracer . They're gonna move basically

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groundwater flow . Um When you start

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stacking up the chain length , they

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become slightly less mobile . It

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doesn't mean that they're not moving ,

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they absolutely are moving , they're

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just moving slightly slower than

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groundwater . It is . And then when you

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go all the way up the chains , maybe

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like 1430 15 are almost not moving at

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that point . At that point , they're

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really difficult to move . So , yeah ,

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you can absolutely get , you know , I

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did my phd work on cap pod where uh

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they , you know , in the joint base ,

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Cape Cod fire training area , very

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similar situation here . Um And I spent

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years setting that flu and , and , but

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yeah , we see PF miles down gradient

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and uh but when you look at the grammar

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flow rates , they're so high that P OS

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is transported , you know , we're

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looking at 40 or 50 years of transport .

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So it , yeah , but they're still

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certainly moving long distances away .

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Um They're just not moving quite as

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fast as groundwater isn't . OK . And

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then just so thank you very much . Um

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And then just one other question . Um

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So you mentioned how it , it binds to

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proteins and total organic carbon ,

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which I didn't know , but it , it

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doesn't , that was very interesting and

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that sits between zero and 12 inches .

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Uh What of the testing ? You did that

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you did the soil testing and you down

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to 6 , 12 inches , right ? Am I correct ?

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Yup . Yup . Yup . So , in that case ,

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so is it then getting into the

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groundwater ? Uh because you know , our

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aquifers are that we are using for the

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drinking water , are testing for these ,

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these legacy um uh P Fast .

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So it can't be just staying at the

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surface , it's going into the A and

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yeah . Through the bedrock you've ,

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you've hit on , on exactly . Sort of

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the , the next question that we're

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trying to answer , which is , does it

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really impact because you see these

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profiles , they decrease with death ,

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which means that so , ok , this is all

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sort of influx , right ? We have

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incoming atmospheric death . That's we

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don't know the rates over time back in

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history , right ? We only know what's

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happening now in the soil . Um could

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have been higher rate previously ,

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maybe it's less atmospheric deposition .

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Now , we really don't know um what we

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do know is that a lot of soil uh has

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that top layer , has much more organic

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carbon than deeper layers of soil . And

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so it likes to retain a bunch of TB ,

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but then for sure , you know , some TB

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is probably making its way down . Um

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That's that follow up pilot study where

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we'd really like to get some additional

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data to better understand making it to

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the shallow groundwater . Because of

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course , that's the concern , right ?

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Is , is it exceeding the New Hampshire

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uh um A US standards uh for groundwater

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quality . And I think we need to do

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more work on understanding if that's

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happening or not . Um And then sorry ,

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there was another point of your

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question . Uh It's in a yes , it's so .

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So um I think that this is kind of a

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question for long term strategy

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thinking about groundwater supply

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because we've seen also from our

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groundwater study is that modern water

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post 1953 is a very good predictor of

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whether it has P fast and I don't think

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that's going to change moving forward ,

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which means that the longer we wait ,

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the more the aquifers are recharged and

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the more percentage of water is

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recently or has interacted post 1953 .

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Right , that number will only ever

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increase , which means that that means

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that we're going to have ever

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increasing P A in our groundwater

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supplies . If you follow that line ,

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like that sort of line of reasoning .

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And I think that that has not really

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been uh you know , thats for thought

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about in terms of a long term strategy

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of how to deal with P A because I see

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that being an ever increasing problem .

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Um And maybe I should throw a

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qualifiers . I haven't done any studies

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on this yada yada . This is my

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speculation . But if you follow that

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line of thought , um that that is

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what's going to happen , right ? OK .

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Um Yeah , I , I think let's go to Mike .

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No , Mark . Oh Right Mark . You know ,

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thank you . Um Wonderful presentation .

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I mean , I really appreciate the

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technical detail and rigor of your

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study . Um One picky question

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and one I , I , I'm a biologist . So I ,

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when you talk about uh correlation with

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protein and with organic compounds

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close to the surface , is that actually

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being chemically bound in , you know ,

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these organic compounds or is it being

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tied up in bacteria bos I would love to

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talk with you because that's what it

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looked like to me because I , I think

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that we have , ok , so we have this

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tendency as hydrologists and geologists

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to completely ignore the fact that

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anything lives , you just burned that

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right . Everything is a biotic in our

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world . Right ? And I've seen some very

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strong evidence in my research that

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indicates that microbes and bacteria

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play an extremely strong role in pain

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and transport . And I'm working with

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biologists now to try and figure out

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what that actually is . And I'd love to

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talk with you after because I'm not a

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biologist , but I think it's very

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important to see that is the segue into

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uh ecological and human health risk .

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Right . Exactly . Right . Particulate

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feeders . All right . Um I'm picking

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your question is why did you choose a

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simple random sampling design with one

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sample per uh quadrant rather than

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stratified random , which would allow

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you replication within the cells ? A

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and B maybe some interaction with GIS

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for mapping of either contours or

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concentration areas . Like you

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suggested there was a uh relationship

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uh with PFAS , I think in Southern Us

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with , with a stratified design , you

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know , maybe by county or however , you

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would have taken another step forward

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in terms of uh geographically

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presenting it ii 100% agree and

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we , OK , so there are budget

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limitations is what it comes down to

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like we had 100 and it was , we

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can , we could have , we were thinking

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of stratifying actually based on land

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use . So we would look at background

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versus we would look at urban versus

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agricultural . That was a strong

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consideration . But in the end , we

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decided we need to undertake the

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background better . There were a number

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of ways we could have sliced our diet

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that and I , I think it's totally , we

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could have done stratified random that

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would have been a different approach to

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the study for sure . Um I think we had

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to start somewhere . And so we went

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with all random and we've actually , it

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also matches our groundwater sampling

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design where we do equal area coverage .

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And it provides statistically , it

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provides statistically uh correct

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detection frequencies when you look at

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the equal area design . So you can

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actually say across the entire thing

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like what the detection frequency was

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trying to find random . You can . Yeah .

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So , yeah ,

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well , however , you decide to , right .

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So I think the point is we started , we

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had zero information about what was

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going to be and we had to start

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somewhere . I agree with you . We could

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go back in now do a stratified random

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design and target specific soil

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compositions . It was a big discuss .

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Maybe you can explore post talk

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stratification because

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in almost every instance , stratified

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sampling or the same number of samples

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is more efficient in terms of precision

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and accuracy , uh precision . Precision .

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Yeah . Ok . You got it .

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Ok . All right . I feel like you had ,

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uh , you know , we have the Saturday .

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So , um , all right , Mike . Did you

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want to ask a question ? I was just

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curious , uh , doctor the other side ,

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the neighbors , New Hampshire's

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neighbors . Have they gone through that

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similar radar that New Hampshire's gone

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through ? II ? I don't think they have ,

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I think they've had different

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approaches and I was just curious to

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see your conclusions may be uh based on

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their studies . I don't know , it seems

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a lot of r in New Hampshire study . I

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don't , I've known at least I work with

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the state of some of the work they've

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done , but not the work IUG is sort of

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the state . Uh Maine , we are actually

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starting to partner with them now on a

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new kind of look at all , they have

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quantities of data that they're trying

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to make sense of and we're helping them

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kind of do that now um or about to

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start helping them . So we haven't been

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working with them on the soil up until

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now . Um You know , I think , I think a

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lot of it was opportunistic sampling .

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Um You know , yeah , the other question

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I have the top but the , the sort of

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the , the tension was to sort of

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support a reaching the groundwater

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number for the New Hampshire , New

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Hampshire intentions , what it seems as

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though there's a lot of variability and

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I was just curious how the standards of

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four and they just attempts to try to

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develop , uh , uh , sort of a generic ,

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sort of reaching a groundwater standard

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as opposed to something more specific .

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Yeah , I'm gonna have to , I know I was

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just , what were going ? Yeah , I'm

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gonna , I'm gonna have to refrain from

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that just because you guys just to get

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involved in regular . Ok . Ok .

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So Bradco will make you the , the last

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one here . Go ahead . So , uh we treat ,

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is that like carbon dating ? Yeah .

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Fossils . Water to the

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Yes , there's a half to the tr Yeah ,

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I uh I'm pretty sure it's fairly short

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and I , I can't pull the number out of

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my head right now , but I know it's

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short because I know that um , we're

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reaching the edge of what our detection

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limits are because it's disappearing .

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Ok ? Ok . Um All right . So , thanks

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folks . Um Let's press forward to our

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next presentation . Thank you again ,

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doctor . Um ,

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well , uh Deborah , I believe I have

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the correct slide and ready to go here

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for you . So , um , it should be right .

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I know this is mine . This isn't your

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but uh

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yeah , this is an ongoing , this topic

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of discussion . I believe I was about

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to hit me up this afternoon for , for

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something about it . But , um , you

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know , data sharing update right now ,

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um You know , the last rep we mentioned

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that there was a bunch of private wells

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out there that we had to go reach out

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to uh ves officially made that request

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of us to go back to those private

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drinking well owners and asked if we

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can share their with , with the des .

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And then obviously , um it's in his

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hands . Um But since the last read , we

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have gone ahead and sent those new

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agreements um 37 from properties that

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required an entirely new access

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agreement . So they were just either

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old and needed to be redone or had

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expired 18 from properties that only

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needed a letter . Basically , they had

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a good access agreement and we just

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needed some permission to share data

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and then one from a new property that

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changed ownership . So , I mean , any

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time a property changes ownership ,

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that owner gets the the benefit of the

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doubt and you have their own new

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agreement . And so to date , 15 have

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been returned and all providing consent ,

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which is fantastic . I was expecting ,

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I was not expecting that . I was hoping

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it . And now we're seeing if it's

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coming back , people are willing to

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participate . So that's just a bunch of

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good news there for the group . All

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right , next line . All right . And

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then since the last round , I received

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a couple of questions and I just wanted

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to go through them in this form . I

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think it behooves the group benefits

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the group and kind of gives us a little

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update on the overall circle . Process ,

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that kind of feeds into what DEV is

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gonna do , um from ECC and like that

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feel free to jump in and you don't like

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any of the answers or wanna add to it .

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But one of the questions was , you know ,

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the term interim is generally defined

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as a temporary provisional arrangement .

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Stop . Yeah . And how long would you

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expect the PP A cleanup or process to

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be considered interim ? I took this

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question to me in our treatment systems .

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I think that's where the person was

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going . And so I thought this was also

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a two part question . And so basically ,

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the definition of the circle is that

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interim actions are those taken as

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needed to specifically reduce an

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imminent risk to human health or the

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environment while long term field

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investigations are being conducted and

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the final remedy is selected , that is

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very important part of that definition .

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OK . The second part is that that

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remedy is chosen during the record of

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decision . Um Some are all and that we

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fully expect this at PS our two

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treatment plans are almost certainly

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going to become a part of that final

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remedy . Um Should one of them not be a

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part of that room and it will be

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terminated in favor of whatever was

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selected . Uh So that's , that's kind

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of where we're going with that . So

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those two treatment plans will keep

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running until that final record of

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decision is , you know , modifies them ,

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terminates them or just keep them going

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as it , we'll see when we get there .

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Um And it's again , the second part ,

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the second question was in the case of

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this , is it a , is it a circle ? Super

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fun term ? Yeah , it's a circle term .

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Um Like next slide . All right . Then

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another question was what triggers a

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move from the interim status ? And who

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makes that decision to move the project

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to , to the status is of the dod or in

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concert with regulatory agencies ? All

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right . Um I'm reading from the slides ,

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you know , but of course , um please do

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so as well . You know , after the R I

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is done , which we're currently in , we

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expect it to go until the end of 2026 .

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Uh The feasibility study analyzes

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alternatives , any and all alternatives

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uh for for a final remedial action ,

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the Air Force will then publish a

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proposed plan . That's a key term , a

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proposed plan to solicit public input

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on its preferred alternative . After

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that public period comment , we

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evaluate those inputs and issue a

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record of decision which includes the

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Air Force's responses to significant

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public comments . Uh Regulatory

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agencies are involved in each stage of

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that process , but we as the Air Force

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will choose the final res . Ok . Does

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an interim designation provide for

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additional funding ? That answer is no

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uh funding is for interim actions is

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received , received as needed to

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eliminate that imminent risk to human

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health or the environment until a

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record of decision is made . So , and

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as is the case was be , everybody would

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want that once the Haven Wall was , was

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found to be impacted , the dod jumped

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on it and along along with the EPA and

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if he has to get that money and get

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that stuff done , so that's that

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imminent risk to human health is really

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a big driver for that funding . Um I

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wouldn't say it . Um It allows for

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additional funding but it , it

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definitely gets you a priority . Um So

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next line . All

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right . Can you stay here one second ?

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Oh , no problem . OK .

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You better .

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OK .

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One more time . Apologies .

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Mm

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That's the next presentation . Ok .

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OK . The B A cleanup has moved from

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interim set to the next level . How

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does it affect clean up effort ,

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schedule and budget ? And so basically

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on the circular after the ro the clean

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up effort will shift to implementation

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of the selected remedies until that

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goal is met and the site is closed out .

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Um You can kind of see the basics of uh

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of circle the stages on the bottom of

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the graphic . I believe you this up too

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late , don't you ? Yeah . OK . So that

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was , I wanted to answer those

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questions here at the public forum . So

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they were on record um with that , if

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there's any questions on these answers

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to questions , I'll pass it along to

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the next designer . Keep things moving .

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Good question . Um Yeah . So regarding

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interim remedies , I think the question ,

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these questions came out of an

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announcement from Dod or you know that

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they were um going to be implementing

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interim remedies at several sites and

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peace was listed in that . And so I

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think that created some confusion

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because we thought maybe there were

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some new intern remedies at peace , but

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I just wanna clarify um the remedies

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that they were mentioning in that

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announcement back in February was

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referring to A MS and C A correct

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already been the , the the reference

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that they had put in that document was

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those that were already had been

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implemented and those that would plan

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and so they didn't differentiate . So

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there was a point of confusion in the

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memo but to be clear , there's no

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additional interim remedies that are

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planned for fees at this time , not

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currently because there are no current

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threat to human health in the

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environment right now . Those have been

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addressed and other private actions .

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Yeah .

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II I just wanna ask you , you , you

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made it a strong point that the airport

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salon is gonna select this remedy .

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Doesn't the remedy have to be approved

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by any regulatory button ? Yes .

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Yeah . Yeah . Ok .

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They're all that

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I know . But yeah , those are the

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rules as written . Of course , it's

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sure . Yeah , there's a way to

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adjudicate . If there's a difference of

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opinion on Remy , then so that can that

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is that you can sort of resolve issues

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and unfortunately , they can go through

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our respective very highest levels of

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our respective agencies to uh resolve

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the dispute on re selection . Um But

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generally speaking , I mean , we

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historically , we have always sort of

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worked uh and collaborative ,

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collaboratively work to get to a Remy

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selection uh that we've all agreed to

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and uh stay support . So , and that's ,

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that's our hope going forward . Can I

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just ask what's the beauty input or

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involvement in the process of the

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remedy ? Yeah . So as , as I think

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slides sort of laid out , so yes ,

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there is a , there is one of the

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criteria is sort of a community

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acceptance . So , yeah , so , and

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that's what these forms for really , I

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mean , is to try to sort of keep

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everybody up to speed and updated . So

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we get to that critical point , you

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sort of know why , why would , why the

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airport is selecting them and they're

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selecting and , you know , hopefully

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all the sort of feedback that we're

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getting this project was through this

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forum will inform us . And again ,

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that's , that's we're trying to avoid

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um the situation where we're presenting

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uh uh well , in the election uh

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for a site and not have no nobody

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knowing what the hell we're talking

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about and why , why we're doing it . So ,

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um so hopefully , I mean , that's the

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ideal is when we have this , this forum

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and this discussion , we will hopefully

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get you , we know where they're going ,

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we think we know what they're gonna

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select and the supportive of that . So ,

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you know , that's , that's sort of why

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we're here today and that's why I think

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it's critical to maintain this sort of

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dialogue . So you let us , we're

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letting you know what we're up to and ,

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and we'll get to that point . You know ,

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the 26 is , I think when we have a , uh

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we're supposed to draft thyroid , uh uh

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draft thyroid .

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That's

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right . So I won , I won now not long .

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And I just to clarify that obviously ,

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this process is also gonna be public

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comment , period . Right . Right . And

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that's the , exactly . So the circle

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circle process requires that

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solicitation of comments . And um if

58:30.899 --> 58:32.899
you go back into the store record ,

58:32.899 --> 58:34.732
we've actually had and made some

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modifications to remedies based on that

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public input that during that period

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process . So , in fact , in this room ,

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I think Peggy would probably remember

58:43.343 --> 58:45.343
that some of the changes we made to

58:45.343 --> 58:47.566
some of the remedies uh from input from

58:47.566 --> 58:49.566
at the time , you had a tag advisor

58:49.566 --> 58:51.621
that EPA provided a tag grant to the

58:51.621 --> 58:53.989
community . So we didn't uh I can you

58:54.000 --> 58:56.222
think of a couple of remedies ? I think

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a couple of remedies within all three

58:58.333 --> 58:59.944
operable unit , we made some

58:59.944 --> 59:02.056
modifications based on input from the

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community . So , so before you go on ,

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I think your , your computer is gonna

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shut down . I don't think you have a

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proper plug in . It's really stressing

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me out here .

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I did

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what you focus on the

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20 ,

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you know . Oh , it's not my , we

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got ,

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thanks , we're on it . Um All right ,

59:41.560 --> 59:43.449
we wanna , we'll see these little

59:43.449 --> 59:45.449
things . We'll make sure that's not

59:45.449 --> 59:48.169
gonna shut down . Um Do we want any

59:48.179 --> 59:50.399
more questions on Chris ? Can we press

59:50.469 --> 59:52.636
forward ? Yeah , let's press for fun .

59:53.080 --> 59:56.330
Come back next week . It's likely .

59:58.889 --> 01:00:01.419
So I know this is a long awaited

01:00:01.429 --> 01:00:03.651
document . And I just want to point out

01:00:03.651 --> 01:00:05.820
that as we were just talking about the

01:00:05.830 --> 01:00:09.280
um R A report is in we go final by um

01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:12.949
end of 20.6 . So that's a result

01:00:12.959 --> 01:00:16.860
of the extension of the R I that is

01:00:16.870 --> 01:00:18.926
um the fieldwork that Lindsay talked

01:00:18.926 --> 01:00:21.203
about in the report of her information .

01:00:21.203 --> 01:00:23.320
So under the circle process , there's

01:00:23.330 --> 01:00:26.620
one R I report . So this is our

01:00:26.629 --> 01:00:29.340
informational technical sorry informal

01:00:29.560 --> 01:00:33.060
informational report um that we

01:00:33.070 --> 01:00:36.820
prepared um given the R I extension

01:00:36.830 --> 01:00:39.300
last year . So the purpose of this

01:00:39.310 --> 01:00:42.060
document is um via data deliverable

01:00:42.070 --> 01:00:44.014
ahead of the completion of the R I

01:00:44.014 --> 01:00:46.237
report that will make data available to

01:00:46.237 --> 01:00:48.790
stakeholders and the public . So it

01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:51.969
delivers the data from the fall of 2020

01:00:51.979 --> 01:00:54.350
so that he did a little bit of pre R I

01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.909
sampling to help inform that work plan

01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.830
through June 2023 . So everything

01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:02.062
except for the current ongoing field of

01:01:02.062 --> 01:01:05.530
IZATION , this is primarily in the form

01:01:05.540 --> 01:01:09.219
of tables and figures . Um There are 68

01:01:09.229 --> 01:01:12.189
figures and 12 tables in this document .

01:01:12.770 --> 01:01:15.300
Um but it also does include some

01:01:15.310 --> 01:01:17.532
supportive text that helps to guide the

01:01:17.532 --> 01:01:19.643
reader , you know , providing context

01:01:19.643 --> 01:01:21.532
um and outlining some of the data

01:01:21.532 --> 01:01:23.754
collection and some of the desktop work

01:01:23.754 --> 01:01:26.239
that's been performed . Um It also has

01:01:26.250 --> 01:01:28.472
uh within that context , there's a high

01:01:28.472 --> 01:01:30.583
level CS M update , a conceptual site

01:01:30.583 --> 01:01:32.889
model um based on the findings as of

01:01:32.899 --> 01:01:36.320
June 2023 and the text

01:01:36.330 --> 01:01:39.620
tables and figures presented present

01:01:39.629 --> 01:01:41.939
the it are presented in the same

01:01:41.949 --> 01:01:44.489
framework that we've used to present

01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:46.719
here in the R . So um some of the

01:01:46.729 --> 01:01:49.300
figures that are in the ITIR are also

01:01:49.310 --> 01:01:51.421
at the back of the room . There might

01:01:51.421 --> 01:01:53.477
be some slight changes to those were

01:01:53.477 --> 01:01:55.532
drafted in May 2023 but in essence ,

01:01:55.532 --> 01:01:57.754
they're the same figures in the same of

01:01:57.754 --> 01:01:59.754
them . Um So they're broken down in

01:01:59.754 --> 01:02:01.921
ways you're familiar with um potential

01:02:01.921 --> 01:02:03.977
and known source areas . We have our

01:02:03.977 --> 01:02:06.032
groundwater flow fields , the one to

01:02:06.032 --> 01:02:08.254
the north and the one to the south that

01:02:08.254 --> 01:02:10.421
you um should be familiar at home . Um

01:02:10.421 --> 01:02:12.532
But they're also broken down by media

01:02:12.532 --> 01:02:14.643
like soil , tissue and groundwater so

01:02:14.643 --> 01:02:16.532
that you can really navigate what

01:02:16.532 --> 01:02:18.699
you're interested in , in looking at .

01:02:18.699 --> 01:02:20.921
Um And I'll show you sort of how we set

01:02:20.921 --> 01:02:24.260
this up so that you can um navigate all

01:02:24.270 --> 01:02:26.103
of that well , hooped tables and

01:02:26.103 --> 01:02:28.469
figures in a couple of slides . Uh next

01:02:28.479 --> 01:02:31.229
slide please . So I know this is

01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:33.295
probably small on the board . But if

01:02:33.295 --> 01:02:35.628
you have the slide deck in front of you ,

01:02:35.628 --> 01:02:37.739
this is just um the table of contents

01:02:37.739 --> 01:02:39.961
of the itr . And the purpose of this is

01:02:39.961 --> 01:02:41.961
just to sort of give you an idea of

01:02:41.961 --> 01:02:44.128
what you can expect in it . Um and the

01:02:44.128 --> 01:02:46.239
flow of the document and how it's set

01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:49.540
up . Um So sections one through 3.2

01:02:49.550 --> 01:02:52.060
really set the stage for the data and

01:02:52.070 --> 01:02:54.292
the discussion of source areas and flow

01:02:54.292 --> 01:02:56.292
fields which will come in . Section

01:02:56.292 --> 01:02:58.709
five , um Section four outlines our

01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.719
framework for the the and transport

01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.219
modeling . Um But the results of that

01:03:03.229 --> 01:03:05.173
modeling will be in the R I report

01:03:05.173 --> 01:03:07.285
because we'll need to incorporate the

01:03:07.285 --> 01:03:09.507
data that we're collecting currently as

01:03:09.507 --> 01:03:11.618
part of this mobilization for that um

01:03:11.618 --> 01:03:13.729
to be completed . Um And then section

01:03:13.729 --> 01:03:15.618
six outlines the types of samples

01:03:15.618 --> 01:03:17.507
collected for the risk assessment

01:03:17.507 --> 01:03:19.396
specifically and the approach for

01:03:19.396 --> 01:03:21.562
calculating some of the risk screening

01:03:21.562 --> 01:03:23.785
levels . And section seven includes the

01:03:23.785 --> 01:03:25.507
data gaps identified that were

01:03:25.507 --> 01:03:27.729
subsequently and currently investigated

01:03:27.729 --> 01:03:29.507
as part of um the current field

01:03:29.507 --> 01:03:32.120
mobilization . So um you may notice

01:03:32.129 --> 01:03:35.479
that skip section 3.3 . Um So this

01:03:35.489 --> 01:03:38.949
is um a section that is

01:03:38.959 --> 01:03:41.639
basically composed of two tables if you

01:03:41.649 --> 01:03:43.705
could move to the next slide to read

01:03:43.705 --> 01:03:45.816
them . So again , I know this is kind

01:03:45.820 --> 01:03:49.169
of small . So the one these two tables

01:03:49.179 --> 01:03:51.290
kind of talk to each other and you'll

01:03:51.290 --> 01:03:53.889
be able to crosswalk information in the

01:03:53.899 --> 01:03:56.066
table on the left , the information on

01:03:56.066 --> 01:03:58.360
the table on the right . So I'm gonna

01:03:58.370 --> 01:04:00.592
show an example in a second , but we'll

01:04:00.592 --> 01:04:03.050
walk through it first . So the

01:04:04.889 --> 01:04:07.111
this section is really the section that

01:04:07.111 --> 01:04:09.333
will guide the reader through the , the

01:04:09.333 --> 01:04:11.556
figures and tables . So that one on the

01:04:11.556 --> 01:04:13.445
left outlines the source areas or

01:04:13.445 --> 01:04:15.969
investigation areas um and the media

01:04:15.979 --> 01:04:19.320
types um by work plan

01:04:19.330 --> 01:04:21.663
mobilization . So as many of , you know ,

01:04:21.663 --> 01:04:24.260
we've had um one , there was one

01:04:24.270 --> 01:04:28.129
initial R I mo uh work plan . Uh That

01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:30.250
was the commencement of the , the R I

01:04:30.250 --> 01:04:32.709
deal work in May of 2021 . And we've

01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:34.840
worked off of a number of technical

01:04:34.850 --> 01:04:37.072
memorandum work plans since that time .

01:04:37.072 --> 01:04:39.128
So if you're particularly interested

01:04:39.128 --> 01:04:41.128
and work conducted under a specific

01:04:41.128 --> 01:04:43.239
work plan , you can find it . Um that

01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:45.406
way it also helps provide some context

01:04:45.406 --> 01:04:49.060
with the timeline , um the

01:04:49.070 --> 01:04:51.719
second table . So the one on the right

01:04:52.040 --> 01:04:55.060
uh crosswalks , the source area um

01:04:55.330 --> 01:04:59.320
to the tables and figures where you

01:04:59.330 --> 01:05:01.860
can find the data associated with that .

01:05:01.949 --> 01:05:04.929
And this is also organized by media .

01:05:05.189 --> 01:05:08.659
So these two pictures are the very

01:05:08.669 --> 01:05:10.613
beginning of each of those table .

01:05:10.613 --> 01:05:12.840
They're not complete . Um Obviously ,

01:05:12.850 --> 01:05:14.906
there's a lot more loyal that's been

01:05:14.906 --> 01:05:16.906
collected under the initial R I for

01:05:16.906 --> 01:05:19.324
instance . So these are pretty

01:05:19.334 --> 01:05:22.395
substantial tables themselves . Um But

01:05:22.405 --> 01:05:24.516
I think they're pretty well organized

01:05:24.516 --> 01:05:26.738
and good uh helpful to navigate through

01:05:26.738 --> 01:05:30.584
this . Um So for example , um and I

01:05:30.594 --> 01:05:32.594
have a couple of animations for you

01:05:32.594 --> 01:05:36.524
Toby . So if you were um interested

01:05:36.534 --> 01:05:39.475
in groundwater at landfill five , you

01:05:39.485 --> 01:05:43.250
can then you could basically go find

01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:45.500
this area or maybe you found it on a

01:05:45.510 --> 01:05:49.290
figure uh figure two other clinics

01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:52.366
which is referenced at the top of that

01:05:52.366 --> 01:05:54.421
table . So that's the figure that is

01:05:54.429 --> 01:05:57.699
hopefully somewhat familiar that has um

01:05:57.709 --> 01:05:59.876
source areas investigated to date . So

01:05:59.876 --> 01:06:01.653
you can kind of see where it is

01:06:01.653 --> 01:06:03.876
spatially on the peninsula and find the

01:06:03.876 --> 01:06:05.876
location . Um Then you can find the

01:06:05.876 --> 01:06:07.969
results specific to landfill five ,

01:06:08.629 --> 01:06:11.129
click again on figures

01:06:11.139 --> 01:06:14.739
2627 and then the data will be in table

01:06:14.750 --> 01:06:18.040
21 more book maybe 22 .

01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:21.199
Mhm . So that's how you can kind of

01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:23.366
crosswalk between those two tables and

01:06:23.366 --> 01:06:25.310
they , they will work with some of

01:06:25.310 --> 01:06:27.366
those figures as well . Figure two ,

01:06:27.366 --> 01:06:29.588
some of those earlier figures that will

01:06:29.588 --> 01:06:31.810
help . So we're gonna guide you through

01:06:31.810 --> 01:06:33.866
spatially that area . Um But this is

01:06:33.866 --> 01:06:35.977
sort of , I guess you'd sort of think

01:06:35.977 --> 01:06:38.469
this is the um table of contents to the

01:06:38.479 --> 01:06:41.709
table like tables and figures . Um A

01:06:42.070 --> 01:06:44.620
couple other things about this is that

01:06:44.629 --> 01:06:46.740
the data tables themselves are pretty

01:06:46.740 --> 01:06:48.685
large . So those are broken out by

01:06:48.685 --> 01:06:50.851
source area or glow field as well . So

01:06:50.851 --> 01:06:52.907
you can , they are large but they'll

01:06:52.907 --> 01:06:55.300
have headers that um will break up the

01:06:55.310 --> 01:06:58.729
results um in the same fashion

01:06:59.149 --> 01:07:02.830
and um should help you locate a

01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:05.659
specific sample result . Uh One last

01:07:05.669 --> 01:07:08.659
note is um you may recall from previous

01:07:08.669 --> 01:07:11.330
RBS . We've talked about that . A lot

01:07:11.340 --> 01:07:14.590
of the figures do show historical data

01:07:14.600 --> 01:07:16.822
because it's really important for us to

01:07:16.822 --> 01:07:18.822
bear in mind as we move through the

01:07:18.822 --> 01:07:21.320
investigation . The tables in the ITIR

01:07:21.959 --> 01:07:23.903
include data that's been collected

01:07:23.903 --> 01:07:27.500
under the R I . Um So the

01:07:27.510 --> 01:07:30.790
figures will show some locations um

01:07:31.020 --> 01:07:32.800
with comparisons to

01:07:33.979 --> 01:07:37.580
RSLS . Um But that numerical

01:07:37.590 --> 01:07:40.459
value won't be in the RT IR those will

01:07:40.469 --> 01:07:43.320
be provided in the I the R I report .

01:07:43.330 --> 01:07:46.280
So just consider that um that those

01:07:46.290 --> 01:07:48.540
historical results will be available um

01:07:48.550 --> 01:07:51.929
for the specific balance . So I hope

01:07:51.939 --> 01:07:53.969
that gives you a little bit of a

01:07:53.979 --> 01:07:56.139
preview of what you can expect to see

01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:58.487
and you can refer back to this as once

01:07:58.487 --> 01:08:01.120
you have it in front of you . Um to say ,

01:08:01.129 --> 01:08:03.350
where should I even start with 68

01:08:04.260 --> 01:08:07.810
bigger than 12 tables ? Yeah .

01:08:11.429 --> 01:08:13.596
And now I think this is , this is me .

01:08:13.596 --> 01:08:15.596
Yes , I'm gonna , I can't do that .

01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.240
Hi uh Good evening . Um This is gonna

01:08:27.250 --> 01:08:30.470
be I think pretty short . Um I'm Deputy

01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:32.490
Donald , I'm with ECC Environmental

01:08:32.500 --> 01:08:35.729
Chemical Corporation and um I'm a

01:08:35.740 --> 01:08:38.669
deputy program manager and uh I oversee

01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:40.791
a lot of the work that ECC is working

01:08:40.791 --> 01:08:43.439
with the Air Force at peace . We also

01:08:43.450 --> 01:08:45.672
have Grace Carmichael . She's a project

01:08:45.672 --> 01:08:47.894
manager at LCZ everything in the back .

01:08:47.894 --> 01:08:49.894
And Catherine Wi , an environmental

01:08:49.894 --> 01:08:51.950
scientist working on our projects um

01:08:51.950 --> 01:08:54.536
here at P space . Um So you may have

01:08:54.545 --> 01:08:56.656
seen us kind of lurking around at the

01:08:56.656 --> 01:08:58.823
other ad meetings uh for the last year

01:08:58.823 --> 01:09:01.166
or two . We've been attending just to

01:09:01.175 --> 01:09:02.842
get some recognition and some

01:09:02.842 --> 01:09:05.064
familiarity , we need to stay with them

01:09:05.064 --> 01:09:07.231
eventually when we might want to get a

01:09:07.231 --> 01:09:09.397
talk about some of the work that we're

01:09:09.397 --> 01:09:11.564
doing at PS . And um we actually began

01:09:11.564 --> 01:09:13.675
working out at peace when we are , of

01:09:13.675 --> 01:09:15.619
course , in 2020 our contract goes

01:09:15.619 --> 01:09:17.731
through 2030 . So you'll be seeing us

01:09:17.731 --> 01:09:19.619
around and maybe we'll be able to

01:09:19.619 --> 01:09:21.786
present a few more uh presentations of

01:09:21.786 --> 01:09:23.842
the work that we're doing out here .

01:09:23.842 --> 01:09:25.992
The work that UCC is doing as , as

01:09:26.001 --> 01:09:29.271
opposed to what WSP is doing are the

01:09:29.282 --> 01:09:31.602
sites and this is gonna dovetail nicely

01:09:31.611 --> 01:09:33.722
with the circle process and what we ,

01:09:33.722 --> 01:09:35.778
you know , have been talking about a

01:09:35.778 --> 01:09:37.833
little bit in the last few minutes .

01:09:37.833 --> 01:09:39.611
These are sites with decision ,

01:09:39.611 --> 01:09:41.833
documents or records of decision , they

01:09:41.833 --> 01:09:44.000
already have remedies in place . Um So

01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.111
the kinds of contamination that we're

01:09:46.111 --> 01:09:48.333
dealing with , with monitoring and with

01:09:48.333 --> 01:09:50.438
cleanup and remediation um is in a

01:09:50.449 --> 01:09:52.449
couple of different categories . Um

01:09:52.449 --> 01:09:55.119
Some are petroleum based , um jet fuel

01:09:55.128 --> 01:09:57.958
releases or spills , um gasoline and

01:09:57.969 --> 01:10:00.084
oil and these are referred to as non

01:10:00.214 --> 01:10:02.384
circular sites because petroleum uh

01:10:02.404 --> 01:10:04.694
contamination is not covered under

01:10:04.814 --> 01:10:07.035
cerla not considered a hazardous waste

01:10:07.285 --> 01:10:09.814
that's usually um monitored and taken

01:10:09.825 --> 01:10:11.964
care of under state programs um for

01:10:11.975 --> 01:10:14.509
petroleum contamination . The other

01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:16.464
contamination that we deal with or

01:10:16.470 --> 01:10:18.803
loops of contaminants that we deal with ,

01:10:18.803 --> 01:10:20.748
um , can be chlorinated solvents .

01:10:20.748 --> 01:10:22.803
These are cleaners or degreaser that

01:10:22.803 --> 01:10:25.026
were commonly used around um , industry

01:10:25.026 --> 01:10:27.137
and , and around the Air Force base ,

01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.459
there's metal , um , polychlorinated

01:10:30.879 --> 01:10:33.899
bals or PC DS , um mixed waste like in

01:10:33.910 --> 01:10:36.270
landfills , um construction and

01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:39.140
demolition , debris or even household

01:10:39.149 --> 01:10:41.709
waste um that was disposed of . And

01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:43.664
these are referred to as the Ciroc

01:10:43.664 --> 01:10:45.720
sites they're covered by Cercla . Um

01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.831
And just as a final point down here ,

01:10:47.831 --> 01:10:49.776
just as a reminder , Cercla is the

01:10:49.776 --> 01:10:51.831
Comprehensive Environmental Response

01:10:51.831 --> 01:10:54.100
Compensation and Liability Act also

01:10:54.109 --> 01:10:56.220
could have called Super Fund and this

01:10:56.220 --> 01:10:58.430
is the Federal Act um that was enacted

01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.189
in order to track and clean up

01:11:00.200 --> 01:11:03.750
hazardous waste sites . Um So right now ,

01:11:03.759 --> 01:11:05.981
um what we're gonna talk about a little

01:11:05.981 --> 01:11:08.092
bit is that um uh among the work that

01:11:08.092 --> 01:11:10.148
we're doing is that ECC is preparing

01:11:10.148 --> 01:11:13.560
the six Cercla five year review report

01:11:14.049 --> 01:11:15.910
which covers the cercla sites .

01:11:18.879 --> 01:11:21.101
All right . So the circle process and ,

01:11:21.101 --> 01:11:23.046
and like kind of talk about this a

01:11:23.046 --> 01:11:25.212
little bit . And um and so did Chris ,

01:11:25.212 --> 01:11:27.660
um so we start with um a new site and

01:11:27.669 --> 01:11:29.891
there's a preliminary assessment that's

01:11:29.891 --> 01:11:31.613
conducted . Um and then a site

01:11:31.613 --> 01:11:33.740
inspection , then the remedial

01:11:33.750 --> 01:11:36.370
investigation um which you are uh

01:11:36.379 --> 01:11:39.740
dealing with with the PS um after the

01:11:39.750 --> 01:11:41.972
remedial investigation is a feasibility

01:11:41.972 --> 01:11:44.330
study and then there's a record of

01:11:44.339 --> 01:11:48.189
decision after that record of decision

01:11:48.200 --> 01:11:51.609
is when a remedial design is put into

01:11:51.620 --> 01:11:53.879
place and there's remedial action

01:11:53.890 --> 01:11:56.169
construction . When that construction

01:11:56.180 --> 01:11:58.220
is completed , you have a remedy in

01:11:58.229 --> 01:12:01.589
place . And then once that remedy in

01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.433
place is completed , you have um

01:12:03.433 --> 01:12:06.959
remedial action operations response

01:12:06.970 --> 01:12:10.290
complete and then long term management

01:12:10.299 --> 01:12:12.600
and site closure . Um And there's a few

01:12:12.609 --> 01:12:14.950
notes on here , the sites don't always

01:12:14.959 --> 01:12:17.070
follow all of these steps . Sometimes

01:12:17.070 --> 01:12:20.029
you skip some steps depending upon um

01:12:20.040 --> 01:12:22.096
you know , the kind of contamination

01:12:22.096 --> 01:12:24.262
that you have and whether , you know ,

01:12:24.262 --> 01:12:26.429
you're able to go out and just um take

01:12:26.429 --> 01:12:28.540
serve everything all in , in one fell

01:12:28.540 --> 01:12:30.818
swoop , so to speak with an excavation .

01:12:30.818 --> 01:12:32.984
Um But the key here when we talk about

01:12:32.984 --> 01:12:35.207
the circle of five year review and that

01:12:35.207 --> 01:12:37.373
whole process is the remedy in place .

01:12:37.373 --> 01:12:39.540
You can see we have the star there and

01:12:39.540 --> 01:12:41.373
that's when the five year review

01:12:41.373 --> 01:12:43.596
process starts is when there's a remedy

01:12:43.596 --> 01:12:47.390
in place . So what is a five

01:12:47.430 --> 01:12:49.430
year review ? So we've got a lot of

01:12:49.430 --> 01:12:51.597
that's what I've been , have been able

01:12:51.597 --> 01:12:53.819
to read it back there . Um So basically

01:12:53.819 --> 01:12:55.430
the five year review um is a

01:12:55.430 --> 01:12:57.541
requirement in the regulations and it

01:12:57.541 --> 01:13:00.220
requires that um remedial actions which

01:13:00.229 --> 01:13:03.029
result in any hazardous substances ,

01:13:03.040 --> 01:13:05.430
foods or contaminants remaining at the

01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:07.970
site be subject to a five year review .

01:13:08.790 --> 01:13:10.901
Um And then further , we go on with a

01:13:10.901 --> 01:13:12.734
further definition that the MC P

01:13:12.734 --> 01:13:14.901
provides further that remedial actions

01:13:14.901 --> 01:13:16.568
which result in any hazardous

01:13:16.568 --> 01:13:18.123
substances . Pollutants are

01:13:18.123 --> 01:13:20.290
contaminants remaining at a site above

01:13:20.290 --> 01:13:22.457
levels that allow for unlimited use in

01:13:22.457 --> 01:13:26.100
unrestricted exposure or UUUE be

01:13:26.109 --> 01:13:28.109
reviewed every five years to ensure

01:13:28.109 --> 01:13:30.053
protection of human health and the

01:13:30.053 --> 01:13:31.979
environment . So basically , if a

01:13:31.990 --> 01:13:34.212
remedial action is conducted , you have

01:13:34.212 --> 01:13:36.434
a remedy , you put that remedy in place

01:13:36.434 --> 01:13:38.919
and remedial actions conducted . If

01:13:38.930 --> 01:13:41.770
there's still some contamination that's

01:13:41.779 --> 01:13:44.120
at that site , that doesn't allow for

01:13:44.129 --> 01:13:46.779
this term uuue , which is basically you

01:13:46.790 --> 01:13:48.957
can do anything at that site . There's

01:13:48.957 --> 01:13:51.120
no land use controls in effect , you

01:13:51.129 --> 01:13:53.296
can go and put a residential housing ,

01:13:53.296 --> 01:13:55.709
you can have a daycare , um a school or

01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.529
anything like that . If you are not at

01:13:58.540 --> 01:14:00.707
contaminant levels that allow for that

01:14:00.707 --> 01:14:03.109
unlimited use , then you need to do a

01:14:03.120 --> 01:14:06.979
five year review . Um So these sites

01:14:06.990 --> 01:14:09.101
that do have some of this contaminant

01:14:09.101 --> 01:14:11.157
um still in place . Um They have the

01:14:11.157 --> 01:14:13.101
remedies in place to protect human

01:14:13.101 --> 01:14:15.212
health and the environment . And as I

01:14:15.212 --> 01:14:17.212
mentioned previously , they'll have

01:14:17.212 --> 01:14:19.323
land use controls typically and those

01:14:19.323 --> 01:14:21.546
land use controls are the controls that

01:14:21.546 --> 01:14:23.768
are put in place so that you don't have

01:14:23.768 --> 01:14:23.740
residential housing and you don't have

01:14:23.750 --> 01:14:25.806
daycares or schools that are built ,

01:14:25.806 --> 01:14:27.972
maybe you can't use the groundwater at

01:14:27.972 --> 01:14:30.028
that site , you can't put in a drink

01:14:30.028 --> 01:14:32.194
underwater . Well , those are land use

01:14:32.194 --> 01:14:32.000
controls and those are put into place

01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:36.189
to protect human health and the

01:14:36.200 --> 01:14:38.422
environment and all the remedy is still

01:14:38.422 --> 01:14:40.367
ongoing and then the site is still

01:14:40.367 --> 01:14:42.200
being managed . So the Air Force

01:14:42.209 --> 01:14:44.265
evaluates the implementation and the

01:14:44.265 --> 01:14:46.542
performance of the remedy of each site .

01:14:46.542 --> 01:14:48.653
And this is to ensure that the remedy

01:14:48.653 --> 01:14:50.709
is still performing as it's intended

01:14:50.709 --> 01:14:52.820
and as it's specified in the decision

01:14:52.820 --> 01:14:54.709
document or the rod the record of

01:14:54.709 --> 01:14:56.487
decision , and it still remains

01:14:56.487 --> 01:14:58.709
protected . After five years . After 10

01:14:58.709 --> 01:15:00.431
years , these are in five year

01:15:00.431 --> 01:15:02.598
increments . So every five years , the

01:15:02.598 --> 01:15:05.319
review is completed , the five year

01:15:05.330 --> 01:15:07.163
review does include an interview

01:15:07.163 --> 01:15:09.163
process where members of the public

01:15:09.163 --> 01:15:11.219
familiar with the Peanut program are

01:15:11.219 --> 01:15:13.330
interviewed regarding their knowledge

01:15:13.330 --> 01:15:15.441
of the peanut process . And then just

01:15:15.441 --> 01:15:18.160
kind of as an aside um the reports and

01:15:18.169 --> 01:15:20.620
the work plans and the information that

01:15:20.629 --> 01:15:22.851
pertain to these sites that are part of

01:15:22.851 --> 01:15:24.962
this circle of five year review . You

01:15:24.962 --> 01:15:27.240
can find all of these documents um on

01:15:27.250 --> 01:15:30.600
on site at the administrative record um

01:15:30.609 --> 01:15:32.498
with the Air Force administrative

01:15:32.498 --> 01:15:35.120
record , they're at the um site eight

01:15:35.700 --> 01:15:37.970
physical repository that I think some

01:15:37.979 --> 01:15:40.090
of you have probably visited where we

01:15:40.090 --> 01:15:42.201
just were the other building behind .

01:15:42.201 --> 01:15:44.423
You've got all of the printed documents

01:15:44.423 --> 01:15:46.535
back when we used to print all of our

01:15:46.535 --> 01:15:48.701
documents and we still do . And that's

01:15:48.701 --> 01:15:50.646
a physical repository of all these

01:15:50.646 --> 01:15:52.757
documents from like the last 30 years

01:15:52.757 --> 01:15:54.923
or so because we are in the sixth five

01:15:54.923 --> 01:15:56.979
year review . So this is data that's

01:15:56.979 --> 01:16:00.109
been going back from 30 years ago . Um

01:16:01.020 --> 01:16:03.419
And so , and or the , the New Hampshire

01:16:05.410 --> 01:16:07.390
one that um is another online

01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:09.621
repository for a lot of these documents

01:16:09.621 --> 01:16:11.732
and information . So there's a number

01:16:11.732 --> 01:16:11.600
of different places that you can go to

01:16:11.609 --> 01:16:13.779
both physically and virtually in order

01:16:13.790 --> 01:16:15.623
to find some of the reports that

01:16:15.623 --> 01:16:17.734
document all of this work that's been

01:16:17.734 --> 01:16:19.790
done that we cite for the last three

01:16:19.790 --> 01:16:23.120
years . So in the five year

01:16:23.129 --> 01:16:25.299
review , um in order to assess whether

01:16:25.310 --> 01:16:27.254
the remedy is still protective and

01:16:27.254 --> 01:16:29.477
still operating as it should be , there

01:16:29.477 --> 01:16:31.532
are three primary questions that are

01:16:31.532 --> 01:16:33.754
literally asked within the document and

01:16:33.754 --> 01:16:35.866
then they are answered . Um The first

01:16:35.866 --> 01:16:38.100
is question A is a remedy functioning

01:16:38.109 --> 01:16:40.276
as intended by the decision document .

01:16:41.049 --> 01:16:43.470
Um Question B are the exposure

01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:45.790
assumptions , toxicity data cleanup

01:16:45.799 --> 01:16:47.990
levels . Uh The remedial action

01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.333
objectives used at the time still valid .

01:16:50.333 --> 01:16:54.060
For example , if um you had um

01:16:54.569 --> 01:16:57.500
a metal you had , you know , one of the

01:16:57.660 --> 01:17:00.120
uh arsenic was one of your medals and

01:17:00.129 --> 01:17:02.009
uh the cleanup level changed for

01:17:02.020 --> 01:17:04.242
arsenic . That would be a consideration

01:17:04.242 --> 01:17:06.298
that you have to look at and discuss

01:17:06.298 --> 01:17:08.409
within the fiveyear review . Did that

01:17:08.409 --> 01:17:10.520
level ? Did the cleanup level go up ?

01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:12.409
Did it go down ? Um How does that

01:17:12.409 --> 01:17:14.576
affect the protectiveness of your , of

01:17:14.576 --> 01:17:16.409
your remedy ? And then the final

01:17:16.409 --> 01:17:18.464
question , has any other information

01:17:18.464 --> 01:17:20.409
come to light that could call into

01:17:20.409 --> 01:17:20.399
question the protectiveness of the

01:17:20.410 --> 01:17:23.640
remedy ? Um Are there potentially new

01:17:23.649 --> 01:17:26.680
um receptors um because of changes in

01:17:26.689 --> 01:17:28.911
land use um that are around the site or

01:17:28.911 --> 01:17:31.022
anything like that . So these are the

01:17:31.022 --> 01:17:33.245
three main questions that are asked and

01:17:33.245 --> 01:17:35.300
answered in the five year review for

01:17:35.300 --> 01:17:37.859
each of the sites and you're not gonna

01:17:37.870 --> 01:17:40.037
be able to read this . But basically ,

01:17:40.037 --> 01:17:42.092
it's just to show that across former

01:17:42.092 --> 01:17:44.037
Peas Air Force Base . There are 20

01:17:44.037 --> 01:17:46.259
sites that are included in the six year

01:17:46.259 --> 01:17:48.370
um 65 year review . Um And these are

01:17:48.379 --> 01:17:52.370
just the um the uh parcels , um the

01:17:52.379 --> 01:17:54.435
different colors that you see here ,

01:17:54.435 --> 01:17:56.601
but they're all across , you can do it

01:17:56.601 --> 01:17:59.259
all across the former race . Uh So I

01:17:59.270 --> 01:18:01.437
did mention that there is an interview

01:18:01.437 --> 01:18:03.659
process um where input is gathered from

01:18:03.659 --> 01:18:06.370
folks who are familiar with the um the

01:18:06.379 --> 01:18:09.810
sites and the remedies and there are

01:18:09.819 --> 01:18:11.597
some general questions and some

01:18:11.597 --> 01:18:14.029
specific questions . Um So we have them

01:18:14.040 --> 01:18:16.096
listed here and II , I don't know if

01:18:16.096 --> 01:18:18.207
I'll go read them word for word , but

01:18:18.207 --> 01:18:20.373
the general questions are , you know ,

01:18:20.373 --> 01:18:22.318
are you familiar with the Clean Up

01:18:22.318 --> 01:18:22.209
program and what's been going on at the

01:18:22.220 --> 01:18:23.831
site ? Do you know about the

01:18:23.831 --> 01:18:25.887
environmental use restrictions , the

01:18:25.887 --> 01:18:27.887
land use controls that we mentioned

01:18:27.887 --> 01:18:30.053
earlier ? And do you have any concerns

01:18:30.053 --> 01:18:32.164
with the implementation of those land

01:18:32.164 --> 01:18:34.053
use controls ? And then some more

01:18:34.053 --> 01:18:36.053
specific questions kind of deal dig

01:18:36.053 --> 01:18:38.164
into those land use controls a little

01:18:38.164 --> 01:18:40.220
bit . Um Are you aware of any use or

01:18:40.220 --> 01:18:42.331
extraction of groundwater ? Um at the

01:18:42.331 --> 01:18:44.553
site other than um what's necessary for

01:18:44.553 --> 01:18:46.220
the investigation or remedial

01:18:46.220 --> 01:18:48.589
activities . Um any injection of water

01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.830
into the groundwater or the surface

01:18:50.839 --> 01:18:54.790
water , um any changes to the areas um

01:18:54.799 --> 01:18:56.743
that have use restrictions , as we

01:18:56.743 --> 01:18:58.910
mentioned , you know , for residential

01:18:58.910 --> 01:19:00.855
purposes , for example , childcare

01:19:00.855 --> 01:19:03.439
centers , playgrounds . Um has any

01:19:03.450 --> 01:19:05.506
digging or excavation been conducted

01:19:05.506 --> 01:19:07.672
without the approval of the regulatory

01:19:07.672 --> 01:19:09.709
agencies in the Air Force ? And has

01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:11.720
there been any change in the use of

01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:13.609
buildings ? Um You know , we have

01:19:13.609 --> 01:19:15.553
buildings , are the sites that are

01:19:15.553 --> 01:19:17.609
industrial use ? Are they being used

01:19:17.609 --> 01:19:19.776
for residential use at this point ? Um

01:19:19.776 --> 01:19:21.831
So those are basically the questions

01:19:21.831 --> 01:19:21.629
that are asked during that interview

01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:25.370
process that we mentioned and that is

01:19:25.379 --> 01:19:27.729
it any questions ?

01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:33.500
Um Great . Yeah , let's uh let's go to

01:19:33.609 --> 01:19:37.430
Andrea . Um We'll take you , I think I ,

01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:39.661
I have a few questions . I feel like we

01:19:39.661 --> 01:19:41.717
covered a few topics and we didn't ,

01:19:41.717 --> 01:19:43.883
didn't pause to ask questions . But um

01:19:43.883 --> 01:19:45.995
I guess to ask the question about the

01:19:45.995 --> 01:19:48.217
five year review , if community members

01:19:48.217 --> 01:19:47.740
were interested in being interviewed ,

01:19:47.750 --> 01:19:49.917
how would they go about signaling that

01:19:49.917 --> 01:19:52.439
to you or to the Air Force or how , how

01:19:52.450 --> 01:19:54.672
do we sign up to be interviewed if we'd

01:19:54.672 --> 01:19:57.830
like to be part of this process ? We

01:19:57.839 --> 01:20:00.061
usually , we typically will contact the

01:20:00.061 --> 01:20:02.509
folks who've been involved with and ,

01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:04.687
and are familiar with the PM process .

01:20:04.687 --> 01:20:07.430
So for example , um Mike Bailey and

01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:10.450
Peter Zen were both interviewed um as

01:20:10.459 --> 01:20:12.799
community members um for the five year

01:20:12.810 --> 01:20:16.339
review . OK . So if community members

01:20:16.350 --> 01:20:19.160
that live in the community , like us on

01:20:19.169 --> 01:20:21.336
the rap would like to be interviewed ,

01:20:21.336 --> 01:20:23.613
how do we be part of that process ? So ,

01:20:23.613 --> 01:20:25.947
I guess you could contact the Air Force ?

01:20:25.947 --> 01:20:28.680
Ok . So just let the Air Force know if

01:20:28.689 --> 01:20:30.689
there's community , local community

01:20:30.689 --> 01:20:32.856
members who'd like to be interviewed .

01:20:32.856 --> 01:20:34.911
Ok . I think we go back , there's an

01:20:34.911 --> 01:20:36.967
answer to that . For sure . Sure . I

01:20:36.967 --> 01:20:39.133
mean , could you say you were aware of

01:20:39.133 --> 01:20:41.300
the non defense related sites on the ,

01:20:41.300 --> 01:20:43.578
on the base ? I mean , they gave lamps ,

01:20:43.578 --> 01:20:46.680
they give lamps and live through . We

01:20:46.689 --> 01:20:48.745
could bring little pickering in here

01:20:48.745 --> 01:20:51.160
and she'll , she'll talk to you for

01:20:51.609 --> 01:20:54.259
three days about it . I mean , that's

01:20:54.430 --> 01:20:56.652
all kinds of community numbers . Well ,

01:20:56.652 --> 01:20:59.890
sure . I mean , review in the past .

01:21:00.259 --> 01:21:02.426
Yeah , we're not talking about , we're

01:21:02.426 --> 01:21:04.481
talking about are these things still

01:21:04.481 --> 01:21:06.899
effective ? Now ? She's on the P DC .

01:21:07.160 --> 01:21:09.271
She's a member of the PD A . Wouldn't

01:21:09.271 --> 01:21:11.140
she know how it's working out ?

01:21:11.229 --> 01:21:13.340
Wouldn't she be a good person to talk

01:21:13.340 --> 01:21:15.451
to ? Would you like to be interviewed

01:21:18.160 --> 01:21:20.382
or someone ? So , I think , I think the

01:21:20.649 --> 01:21:22.705
question was , how do , how does the

01:21:22.705 --> 01:21:24.705
member of the community wants to be

01:21:24.705 --> 01:21:27.038
interviewed ? Right . Let that be known .

01:21:27.038 --> 01:21:29.205
I think the answer is speak to the Air

01:21:29.205 --> 01:21:31.371
Force , right ? Um But you have that w

01:21:31.371 --> 01:21:33.538
will represent representation be Peter

01:21:33.538 --> 01:21:33.049
here as well . So , I mean , he

01:21:33.060 --> 01:21:35.227
represents you at the community and he

01:21:35.227 --> 01:21:37.338
has been interviewed and has answered

01:21:37.338 --> 01:21:39.449
all those questions . So , so usually

01:21:39.449 --> 01:21:41.560
what we , what they do is is actually

01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:43.616
usually people that sort of , um all

01:21:43.616 --> 01:21:45.504
right . So like prop the property

01:21:45.504 --> 01:21:47.560
owners of the folks on , on the , on

01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:49.782
the , on the site . So that's usually ,

01:21:49.782 --> 01:21:51.671
that's usually one of the sort of

01:21:51.671 --> 01:21:53.893
definite list , pe people on the list .

01:21:53.893 --> 01:21:56.060
But I think people in the Q and A that

01:21:56.060 --> 01:21:58.227
are familiar with the days where about

01:21:58.227 --> 01:22:00.282
the base , I think those have always

01:22:00.282 --> 01:22:02.449
been uh extended those interviews , um

01:22:02.449 --> 01:22:05.240
awkward interview between both too . So

01:22:05.250 --> 01:22:07.779
I , I think , you know , pd a any , any

01:22:07.790 --> 01:22:09.901
of the sort of the tennis on the base

01:22:09.990 --> 01:22:12.157
uh would , would be prudent . And then

01:22:12.157 --> 01:22:15.064
again , we got so folks that really one

01:22:15.125 --> 01:22:17.725
absolute advise an insight on . Yeah ,

01:22:17.745 --> 01:22:21.745
but I think that's fine . I awkward

01:22:21.884 --> 01:22:23.884
at least . Yeah , I think it's just

01:22:23.884 --> 01:22:25.884
helpful for us to know if someone's

01:22:25.884 --> 01:22:28.106
interested in being interviewed part of

01:22:28.106 --> 01:22:30.273
this process , how do we do it ? So we

01:22:30.273 --> 01:22:33.770
would contact Chris um the

01:22:33.779 --> 01:22:35.612
ITIR thank you very much for the

01:22:35.612 --> 01:22:37.612
overview and how to interpret , you

01:22:37.612 --> 01:22:39.668
know , read it and understand what's

01:22:39.668 --> 01:22:39.580
the report . But when will we receive

01:22:39.589 --> 01:22:41.922
it ? That's it was a good meeting today .

01:22:41.922 --> 01:22:44.089
So thank you Mr Sanden for your very ,

01:22:44.089 --> 01:22:46.256
very lengthy comments that we received

01:22:46.256 --> 01:22:48.478
about a week ago . We went through them

01:22:48.478 --> 01:22:47.569
today with him , the ones that we were

01:22:47.580 --> 01:22:49.802
confused about . So we're , we now know

01:22:49.802 --> 01:22:52.024
our path forward and we're gonna try to

01:22:52.024 --> 01:22:54.247
get this out really , really quickly at

01:22:54.247 --> 01:22:56.580
this point . Uh But we got the , we got ,

01:22:56.580 --> 01:22:55.819
we got the word . It was about two

01:22:55.830 --> 01:22:58.549
hours a day . That's where we'll be

01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.782
able to turn that . So I , I don't have

01:23:00.782 --> 01:23:02.838
a timeline . I don't think there's a

01:23:02.838 --> 01:23:02.680
great deal of changes we have to make

01:23:02.689 --> 01:23:05.350
maybe another bigger , um , couple of

01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:07.899
weeks maybe . Is that so ? Yeah , so

01:23:07.910 --> 01:23:10.021
I'll , I'll walk the two . I think it

01:23:10.021 --> 01:23:12.132
was , we had a , a dialogue . I think

01:23:12.132 --> 01:23:14.188
we talked about some of the verbal ,

01:23:14.188 --> 01:23:13.799
verbally , some of the things we love

01:23:13.810 --> 01:23:15.754
to see and then I'll probably just

01:23:15.754 --> 01:23:18.299
follow up with the F force as well .

01:23:18.310 --> 01:23:20.532
But I , I think probably soon , I think

01:23:20.532 --> 01:23:22.810
we all agree sooner soon . Um , sooner ,

01:23:22.810 --> 01:23:25.032
better soon . Yeah , absolutely . And ,

01:23:25.032 --> 01:23:24.569
you know , recognizing that , uh you

01:23:24.580 --> 01:23:26.802
wanna have your test contractor look at

01:23:26.802 --> 01:23:29.024
it and possibly get together and have a

01:23:29.024 --> 01:23:31.024
workshop fairly soon . And , um you

01:23:31.024 --> 01:23:30.779
know , we are taking that under , under

01:23:30.790 --> 01:23:32.679
consideration to get this done as

01:23:32.679 --> 01:23:34.846
quickly as possible so that we can get

01:23:34.846 --> 01:23:38.810
that on the books . Ok . Um And in

01:23:38.819 --> 01:23:40.875
terms of data sharing , this kind of

01:23:40.875 --> 01:23:43.379
goes in part has the data sharing

01:23:43.390 --> 01:23:45.390
issues completely resolved . I know

01:23:45.390 --> 01:23:47.720
with the ITIR in particular , the maps

01:23:47.729 --> 01:23:50.509
and the figures were redacted . So

01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:52.859
that's all a non issue . Currently ,

01:23:52.870 --> 01:23:54.926
the only thing that's gonna still be

01:23:54.926 --> 01:23:57.092
red that the properties so we have all

01:23:57.092 --> 01:23:59.203
that sort of but everything else . So

01:23:59.203 --> 01:24:01.314
if , if we were to log on to one stop

01:24:01.314 --> 01:24:03.426
today , we would see figures that are

01:24:03.426 --> 01:24:05.379
unredacted . Now , any historical

01:24:05.609 --> 01:24:07.776
document is probably not gonna get any

01:24:07.776 --> 01:24:09.831
time soon , the amount of water that

01:24:09.831 --> 01:24:12.990
take on the . Ok . So it's so

01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.000
everything that was redacted in the

01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.222
past , we're not gonna expect that that

01:24:17.222 --> 01:24:17.189
will . Now all of a sudden be

01:24:17.200 --> 01:24:19.459
unredacted . If that's gonna remain

01:24:19.540 --> 01:24:22.209
redacted and then moving forward , you

01:24:22.220 --> 01:24:24.459
will not redact that information .

01:24:26.109 --> 01:24:29.560
Ok ? Um

01:24:30.580 --> 01:24:32.580
ok , I'll let some other people ask

01:24:32.580 --> 01:24:34.802
questions with the exception of private

01:24:34.819 --> 01:24:37.950
ones . Those are not , those are not

01:24:37.959 --> 01:24:40.330
shown , those are not what those are

01:24:40.350 --> 01:24:43.640
not shown on the brain .

01:24:44.430 --> 01:24:46.729
Ok . Um So Michael , I want to get to

01:24:46.740 --> 01:24:48.740
your question . I just want to know

01:24:48.740 --> 01:24:50.962
we're almost at public comments . Um We

01:24:50.962 --> 01:24:53.018
still haven't heard from the City of

01:24:53.018 --> 01:24:55.240
Portsmouth . I'm not sure Mike . If you

01:24:55.240 --> 01:24:57.518
have more , you wanna share . Um So my ,

01:24:57.518 --> 01:24:57.399
I'm gonna give you the floor but I just

01:24:57.410 --> 01:24:59.577
want to know at the time that we could

01:24:59.577 --> 01:25:01.688
keep the answers brief . So we have a

01:25:01.688 --> 01:25:03.743
chance to do those . Please go ahead

01:25:03.743 --> 01:25:06.229
for I and Mike and Michael .

01:25:07.609 --> 01:25:10.669
Yeah . No , it's always been like that

01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.029
since I came . Um , so

01:25:15.649 --> 01:25:19.350
back to the uh five year review ,

01:25:19.959 --> 01:25:23.959
it's like 39 . Is that within the

01:25:23.970 --> 01:25:27.000
scope of the five year review ? Ok .

01:25:27.549 --> 01:25:30.689
Um Because that's , that's pretty

01:25:30.700 --> 01:25:33.200
important economically to the to the

01:25:33.209 --> 01:25:36.290
state given the size of that . It's the

01:25:36.299 --> 01:25:39.359
biggest hanger on the base hasn't been

01:25:39.370 --> 01:25:41.990
able to be used and uh gonna be taking

01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.500
care of my Yeah , good .

01:25:45.419 --> 01:25:48.319
Um Secondly , um

01:25:50.060 --> 01:25:52.970
regarding the um with

01:25:53.450 --> 01:25:55.919
the private we data ,

01:25:57.549 --> 01:26:00.859
would I be right if I understood that

01:26:00.870 --> 01:26:02.703
despite the fact , you have some

01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:07.540
17 , you probably have more coming in .

01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:10.541
Hopefully when you get back , hopefully

01:26:10.541 --> 01:26:12.263
have this . I mean , the , the

01:26:12.263 --> 01:26:14.597
Selectmen put a lot of effort into this ,

01:26:14.597 --> 01:26:17.020
we supported you and you know , came up

01:26:17.029 --> 01:26:19.729
with a letter that was used for those

01:26:19.740 --> 01:26:23.620
private uh well owners . Is it , is

01:26:23.629 --> 01:26:27.560
it possible that the I pr since it's

01:26:27.569 --> 01:26:31.399
being delayed anyway , could include

01:26:31.410 --> 01:26:33.490
that the data with those people that

01:26:33.500 --> 01:26:36.990
gave the consent because you're gonna ,

01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:39.111
you're gonna issue another document .

01:26:39.111 --> 01:26:41.167
All the data is in there right now .

01:26:41.167 --> 01:26:42.778
But all of the private world

01:26:42.778 --> 01:26:44.667
information is red data as far as

01:26:44.667 --> 01:26:46.833
location , right ? And all of that all

01:26:46.833 --> 01:26:48.778
but the data itself isn't . Yeah ,

01:26:48.778 --> 01:26:52.740
that's , yeah , I know , but we

01:26:52.750 --> 01:26:56.229
are , we are where it is on the

01:26:56.240 --> 01:26:58.339
peninsulas . Well , you will have ,

01:26:58.350 --> 01:27:00.572
there are several figures that have got

01:27:00.572 --> 01:27:03.040
the , the model polygons . OK . Well ,

01:27:03.049 --> 01:27:05.319
we'll , we'll put it over but I'm I'm

01:27:05.330 --> 01:27:07.274
just saying you , you're not gonna

01:27:07.274 --> 01:27:10.299
correct any historic document so you're

01:27:10.310 --> 01:27:12.600
issuing this itr

01:27:13.830 --> 01:27:17.689
without that information . Mhm And it's

01:27:17.700 --> 01:27:20.790
gonna , it's gonna end up causing

01:27:20.799 --> 01:27:23.009
people to ask more questions and

01:27:23.020 --> 01:27:26.120
questions and questions . And so at a

01:27:26.129 --> 01:27:27.851
minimum you should think about

01:27:27.851 --> 01:27:31.709
committing in that particular instance

01:27:32.430 --> 01:27:36.120
to update the document once

01:27:36.129 --> 01:27:39.970
this process that you be engaged in to

01:27:39.979 --> 01:27:43.009
seek the consensus of pain . Ok . Make

01:27:43.709 --> 01:27:45.876
a lot of it but not open at all . I'll

01:27:45.876 --> 01:27:48.153
get back with you . Yeah , that's fine .

01:27:48.153 --> 01:27:52.069
And the , the um

01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:57.029
but that's why we'll let it go . Thank

01:27:57.040 --> 01:28:00.339
you . Thank you , Michael . Um ok , so

01:28:00.350 --> 01:28:02.450
I I'm I'm wondering like how long do

01:28:02.459 --> 01:28:04.459
you , do you need to be planning to

01:28:04.459 --> 01:28:06.070
share for part of your brief

01:28:06.070 --> 01:28:09.910
presentation here ? What you want ?

01:28:10.759 --> 01:28:12.981
Ok , so let's , let's move to Al , I'll

01:28:12.981 --> 01:28:15.092
give you a quick update from the city

01:28:15.092 --> 01:28:17.259
and then , then we'll go open a public

01:28:17.259 --> 01:28:16.950
comment and I think we'll just start

01:28:16.959 --> 01:28:18.959
that a couple of minutes late , but

01:28:18.959 --> 01:28:21.181
we'll get there . There's only to speak

01:28:21.181 --> 01:28:23.181
as well . Do we have anybody that's

01:28:23.181 --> 01:28:25.580
been asking questions ? No , I assume

01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:27.640
we're not gonna have anyone that we

01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:30.200
have that public comment . Ok , let's

01:28:30.209 --> 01:28:32.542
go . Let's go to offer that . Of course ,

01:28:32.542 --> 01:28:35.000
I can I try to be brief . Um So I just

01:28:35.009 --> 01:28:37.310
want to give an update briefly on the

01:28:37.470 --> 01:28:39.748
PS drinking water treatment facilities .

01:28:39.748 --> 01:28:41.970
And for those new rad members , I don't

01:28:41.970 --> 01:28:44.137
know how much you're familiar with the

01:28:44.137 --> 01:28:46.248
water system that PS but there are 3D

01:28:46.248 --> 01:28:48.359
groundwater wells um at peas that all

01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:51.040
pump into the draft and drive drinking

01:28:51.049 --> 01:28:53.271
water treatment facility where we treat

01:28:53.271 --> 01:28:56.649
to the PF um started up in April of

01:28:56.660 --> 01:28:58.716
2021 . So it's been an operation for

01:28:58.716 --> 01:29:01.080
three years now . Almost exactly . Um ,

01:29:01.660 --> 01:29:05.229
so far we've treated 635 million

01:29:05.240 --> 01:29:07.339
gallons to that facility . Uh , we

01:29:07.350 --> 01:29:09.294
average about 15 million gallons a

01:29:09.294 --> 01:29:11.560
month . So it's treating a lot of water

01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:12.600
going through

01:29:15.290 --> 01:29:18.189
there . Um , Hasim gallons ,

01:29:18.200 --> 01:29:20.720
4500 and 40,000 gallons per day .

01:29:20.729 --> 01:29:23.220
Summertime that gets upward around 800

01:29:23.229 --> 01:29:26.180
to a million gallons a day , 800,000 to

01:29:26.189 --> 01:29:28.279
a million gallons a day . So , uh

01:29:28.290 --> 01:29:30.457
performance has been great as designed

01:29:30.740 --> 01:29:34.250
uh pas removal . Um There has been no

01:29:34.589 --> 01:29:38.120
uh regulated pas compounds um detected

01:29:38.129 --> 01:29:40.490
in the treated water . Uh There are two

01:29:40.540 --> 01:29:42.890
short chain compounds . We talked about

01:29:42.950 --> 01:29:46.839
the EEAPPFB A and you know , ee

01:29:46.910 --> 01:29:48.799
A that are still effective in the

01:29:48.799 --> 01:29:50.799
treated water . Um The latest round

01:29:50.799 --> 01:29:52.743
were 11 parts per trillion and six

01:29:52.743 --> 01:29:54.688
parts per trillion . So , very low

01:29:54.688 --> 01:29:57.029
levels of growth . Uh One interesting

01:29:57.040 --> 01:29:58.984
fact that we've seen in our latest

01:29:58.984 --> 01:30:01.040
round from the Haven . Well , so the

01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:03.580
Haven Mall , uh 10 years ago , uh yeah ,

01:30:03.589 --> 01:30:05.756
10 years ago , been 10 years since the

01:30:05.756 --> 01:30:08.850
detection of a Haven . Well , about May

01:30:08.930 --> 01:30:11.152
when they first detected . Um And those

01:30:11.152 --> 01:30:13.810
early detections were around 2500 parts

01:30:13.819 --> 01:30:16.770
per trillion and 1400 or 1600 parts per

01:30:16.779 --> 01:30:18.946
trillion in that range . Uh Our latest

01:30:18.946 --> 01:30:22.750
round from the Haven . Well , at uh 197

01:30:23.209 --> 01:30:25.209
parts of the current . So the , the

01:30:25.209 --> 01:30:27.870
reduction in that is is uh very good ,

01:30:27.879 --> 01:30:29.990
very happy to see that part of that's

01:30:29.990 --> 01:30:32.046
probably attributed to the AM system

01:30:32.046 --> 01:30:34.212
doing what it's supposed to be doing .

01:30:34.212 --> 01:30:36.435
Uh precipitation recharge might be part

01:30:36.435 --> 01:30:36.029
of that as well . We're seeing much

01:30:36.040 --> 01:30:38.950
lower levels of P LO as well as the

01:30:38.959 --> 01:30:41.200
PFHX and uh uh

01:30:42.770 --> 01:30:44.881
well , uh so that's good news for our

01:30:44.881 --> 01:30:47.109
treatment side of things , uh

01:30:47.160 --> 01:30:49.493
activities that have been going on . So ,

01:30:49.493 --> 01:30:51.716
last year at this time , we changed out

01:30:51.716 --> 01:30:53.771
one of the granular activated carbon

01:30:53.771 --> 01:30:55.938
filters and six of the resin vessels ,

01:30:55.938 --> 01:30:57.938
six of the fall vessel vessels , we

01:30:57.938 --> 01:31:00.120
changed out a second of the carbon

01:31:00.129 --> 01:31:03.819
vessels uh just in February this year .

01:31:04.020 --> 01:31:06.187
And we are in the process right now of

01:31:06.187 --> 01:31:08.353
replacing the other six of 12 resident

01:31:08.353 --> 01:31:10.819
vessels this week . So those are all

01:31:10.830 --> 01:31:13.629
getting upgraded with the Krez media .

01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:15.696
It's a macro forest media versus the

01:31:15.696 --> 01:31:17.729
old style resin , which was uh gel

01:31:17.740 --> 01:31:20.299
based media . Um This new media that

01:31:20.310 --> 01:31:22.532
we're using seems to be performing very

01:31:22.532 --> 01:31:24.477
well . Uh pressures are maintained

01:31:24.477 --> 01:31:26.643
better than the , the first media that

01:31:26.643 --> 01:31:29.229
we have . So um and that's , that's

01:31:29.240 --> 01:31:31.310
about it . We were um it was an

01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:33.319
expensive process . So each time we

01:31:33.319 --> 01:31:35.430
changed out , these be his last round

01:31:35.430 --> 01:31:37.652
was the $591,000 change out the gag and

01:31:37.652 --> 01:31:40.549
all the rest is still a big process .

01:31:40.770 --> 01:31:42.937
We're in the middle of that . So still

01:31:42.937 --> 01:31:46.759
working as design and well , I'm glad

01:31:46.770 --> 01:31:49.140
to answer your questions . Thank you so

01:31:49.149 --> 01:31:51.540
much . A um any questions for city

01:31:51.629 --> 01:31:54.410
enforcement for the lead , please ?

01:31:54.560 --> 01:31:57.120
Done . And yes . So where is the media

01:31:57.129 --> 01:32:00.129
gone ? When the change ? The media is

01:32:00.140 --> 01:32:02.084
being shipped to a hazardous waste

01:32:02.084 --> 01:32:06.069
landfill in Idaho ? We all need the

01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:08.413
air forces lead where they at all their ,

01:32:08.629 --> 01:32:12.529
all of this a waste at one point .

01:32:16.270 --> 01:32:18.548
I think there's a land in this as well .

01:32:20.419 --> 01:32:22.363
Three or four around the country .

01:32:24.120 --> 01:32:26.231
Sorry . There's a current current ban

01:32:26.231 --> 01:32:28.453
on incinerating ps infected waste right

01:32:28.453 --> 01:32:30.064
now . So that's , that's the

01:32:30.064 --> 01:32:32.064
alternative now . So uh we're still

01:32:32.064 --> 01:32:34.287
there been no update on incineration of

01:32:34.287 --> 01:32:36.176
waste lifting or any of our rules

01:32:36.176 --> 01:32:35.930
coming out of that nature . But we're

01:32:35.939 --> 01:32:37.828
waiting for you . You say they're

01:32:37.828 --> 01:32:39.717
coming and they keep not coming .

01:32:43.879 --> 01:32:45.560
Any other questions for al

01:32:49.089 --> 01:32:51.256
all these kind that they might be more

01:32:51.256 --> 01:32:53.367
Chris I know you can send right now .

01:32:53.367 --> 01:32:54.978
But have you looked at other

01:32:54.978 --> 01:32:57.145
destruction technologies like fault or

01:32:57.145 --> 01:32:59.569
Plasma Squirrel right now ? We had it

01:32:59.580 --> 01:33:02.009
because uh there is the dru thing is

01:33:02.020 --> 01:33:04.187
kind of the reason why incineration is

01:33:05.029 --> 01:33:07.990
uh it has been kind of ban for the time

01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:10.111
being . I think that there was , they

01:33:10.111 --> 01:33:11.778
were doing a lot of look into

01:33:11.778 --> 01:33:13.778
environmental justice issues and so

01:33:13.778 --> 01:33:15.889
these are the types of things haven't

01:33:15.889 --> 01:33:18.222
been evaluated that yet as well . Again ,

01:33:18.222 --> 01:33:18.020
we're waiting at the like we follow the

01:33:18.029 --> 01:33:20.196
Dod N Air Force guidance right now and

01:33:20.196 --> 01:33:22.307
the current guidance is it's going to

01:33:22.307 --> 01:33:22.189
the classy landfill again , it's not

01:33:22.200 --> 01:33:24.367
being disposed as hazardous waste as a

01:33:24.367 --> 01:33:26.589
non hazardous waste , but it's going to

01:33:26.589 --> 01:33:28.700
that , that class of landfill because

01:33:28.700 --> 01:33:31.033
those are the most highly protected and ,

01:33:31.033 --> 01:33:30.479
you know , the , the liners and the LE

01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:32.767
J systems and all that good stuff . So

01:33:32.767 --> 01:33:34.859
it's just the current way to get to

01:33:34.870 --> 01:33:36.870
dispose of the waste with the least

01:33:36.870 --> 01:33:39.037
potential impact of the environment in

01:33:39.037 --> 01:33:38.799
the future , kind of the thing , right ?

01:33:39.250 --> 01:33:41.472
So it's , um that's where it's at now ,

01:33:41.472 --> 01:33:43.417
that's where we stand . But in the

01:33:43.417 --> 01:33:45.583
future , who knows ? What kind of ? Um

01:33:45.583 --> 01:33:44.770
Again , we're waiting on that policy ,

01:33:44.779 --> 01:33:46.723
what other type of destruction and

01:33:46.723 --> 01:33:49.001
methodologies would be allowed . Again ,

01:33:49.001 --> 01:33:51.112
that's the , you know , preparers for

01:33:51.112 --> 01:33:53.310
us , a blind full spaces , you know ,

01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:55.375
it's not forever , it runs away , it

01:33:55.375 --> 01:33:57.375
runs out and it's becoming a bigger

01:33:57.375 --> 01:33:59.430
deal nationwide and who knows what's

01:33:59.430 --> 01:34:01.430
gonna happen . So , we're , we're ,

01:34:01.430 --> 01:34:03.319
we're looking for that guy in the

01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:07.250
cigarette . All right . Well , Andrew ,

01:34:07.259 --> 01:34:09.370
I think , why don't we answer further

01:34:09.370 --> 01:34:11.481
questions on this ? Why don't we turn

01:34:11.481 --> 01:34:13.703
it to you for the update on r community

01:34:13.779 --> 01:34:16.040
concerns ? Do you have that slide ? You

01:34:16.089 --> 01:34:18.367
have your slides ? I don't share those .

01:34:19.759 --> 01:34:22.700
Yeah . There you go . And maybe we'll

01:34:22.709 --> 01:34:24.709
get to public comment in just a few

01:34:24.709 --> 01:34:26.931
minutes . OK . Um I'll move quickly . I

01:34:26.931 --> 01:34:29.580
know we're um strapped for time . So ,

01:34:29.589 --> 01:34:31.756
uh these are just the topics I plan to

01:34:31.756 --> 01:34:33.922
briefly discuss and I just made slides

01:34:33.922 --> 01:34:35.978
for them . So if you wanna go to the

01:34:35.978 --> 01:34:38.033
next slide , please , just to orient

01:34:38.033 --> 01:34:37.669
everybody in the room , especially our

01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:40.040
new members , the R A community sent a

01:34:40.049 --> 01:34:42.160
letter to the airport , New Hampshire

01:34:42.160 --> 01:34:46.035
Des US E A on October 16th asking

01:34:46.044 --> 01:34:48.455
several questions and um you know ,

01:34:48.464 --> 01:34:51.125
raising some points uh after reviewing

01:34:51.134 --> 01:34:53.424
historical documents at PS under the

01:34:53.435 --> 01:34:55.785
guidance of our technical assistant

01:34:55.794 --> 01:34:58.245
advisor , Ko , um we received a

01:34:58.254 --> 01:35:01.245
response on February 16th and then we

01:35:01.254 --> 01:35:03.365
also had sent an email after our last

01:35:03.365 --> 01:35:05.310
grab meeting when we learned about

01:35:05.310 --> 01:35:07.143
chicken eggs um that were tested

01:35:07.143 --> 01:35:09.310
Newington and screening levels weren't

01:35:09.310 --> 01:35:11.476
shared with the community members . We

01:35:11.476 --> 01:35:13.421
asked the Air Force to go back and

01:35:13.421 --> 01:35:15.476
recontact those egg owners and share

01:35:15.476 --> 01:35:17.532
the screening levels . And so , um I

01:35:17.532 --> 01:35:19.698
know all those letters were circulated

01:35:19.698 --> 01:35:21.810
with uh circulated to the general lab

01:35:21.810 --> 01:35:23.865
and um our community lab members met

01:35:23.865 --> 01:35:26.087
and we just have some general reactions

01:35:26.087 --> 01:35:28.198
and I wanted to share those reactions

01:35:28.198 --> 01:35:30.198
tonight and then , you know , we'll

01:35:30.198 --> 01:35:32.087
decide if we want to follow up in

01:35:32.087 --> 01:35:34.834
writing formally or um but I wanna say

01:35:34.845 --> 01:35:37.012
thank you for your instructions on how

01:35:37.012 --> 01:35:39.178
to process the administrative record ,

01:35:39.178 --> 01:35:41.345
uh access the administrative record in

01:35:41.345 --> 01:35:43.567
New Hampshire Ds one stop . Um We asked

01:35:43.567 --> 01:35:43.314
for a webinar which you did not

01:35:43.325 --> 01:35:45.492
acknowledge in the email or the letter

01:35:45.492 --> 01:35:47.714
back . Excuse me , sco has agreed to do

01:35:47.714 --> 01:35:49.769
this for our community and record it

01:35:49.769 --> 01:35:51.936
for future reference . So I think that

01:35:51.936 --> 01:35:54.047
we will be able to get that that need

01:35:54.047 --> 01:35:56.649
met for us through co um I also want to

01:35:56.660 --> 01:35:58.604
say that , you know , despite four

01:35:58.604 --> 01:36:00.716
months to get a response , the letter

01:36:00.716 --> 01:36:02.771
lacks specific timelines and was not

01:36:02.771 --> 01:36:04.882
committal in many places . Despite us

01:36:04.882 --> 01:36:06.660
asking for specific information

01:36:06.660 --> 01:36:08.271
citations overall , this was

01:36:08.271 --> 01:36:10.549
disappointing to the community members .

01:36:10.799 --> 01:36:13.021
Um We also want to recognize that we're

01:36:13.021 --> 01:36:14.966
glad to know that the most current

01:36:14.966 --> 01:36:17.188
screening levels will be implemented in

01:36:17.188 --> 01:36:19.459
the work ahead . And uh the community

01:36:19.470 --> 01:36:22.000
does remain concerned about data gaps

01:36:22.009 --> 01:36:24.229
regarding shellfish and finfish . We

01:36:24.240 --> 01:36:26.296
appreciate the commitment to use the

01:36:26.296 --> 01:36:28.518
most current toxicity values , but it's

01:36:28.518 --> 01:36:30.796
not clear how they will be implemented .

01:36:30.796 --> 01:36:33.018
Also very specific questions were asked

01:36:33.018 --> 01:36:35.073
about species and endangered species

01:36:35.073 --> 01:36:36.962
and that was not addressed in the

01:36:36.962 --> 01:36:39.705
response . Um Our co team does agree

01:36:39.714 --> 01:36:41.825
with the R A community that there are

01:36:41.825 --> 01:36:43.825
data gaps in this area and we would

01:36:43.825 --> 01:36:45.964
specifically like some dedicated time

01:36:45.975 --> 01:36:48.234
at our itir technical session that we

01:36:48.245 --> 01:36:50.134
are going to have in the future ,

01:36:50.134 --> 01:36:52.356
really focused on this area with all of

01:36:52.356 --> 01:36:54.475
us involved de sepa Air Force co

01:36:54.484 --> 01:36:56.404
community members . Um This is

01:36:56.415 --> 01:36:58.637
something I'd really like us to be able

01:36:58.637 --> 01:37:00.859
to take a deeper dive on when we're all

01:37:00.859 --> 01:37:03.790
together . Um We also have concerns

01:37:03.799 --> 01:37:06.049
about the use of Pr GS at this point in

01:37:06.060 --> 01:37:08.171
the process , Guillo has explained to

01:37:08.171 --> 01:37:10.060
us that risk needs to be assessed

01:37:10.060 --> 01:37:12.540
before uh first before Pr Gs can be

01:37:12.549 --> 01:37:14.716
used . I know , we do , we should have

01:37:14.716 --> 01:37:16.771
Carmen on the line from co who could

01:37:16.771 --> 01:37:18.938
certainly talk about that a little bit

01:37:18.938 --> 01:37:21.160
more in depth . I think in the interest

01:37:21.160 --> 01:37:20.549
of time we won't get into that right

01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:22.671
now . But I do want to point out that

01:37:22.671 --> 01:37:24.893
that is a concern that skill has raised

01:37:24.893 --> 01:37:27.116
and they can absolutely articulate that

01:37:27.116 --> 01:37:29.479
better than me . Um I also want to say

01:37:29.490 --> 01:37:31.490
that the response regarding the egg

01:37:31.490 --> 01:37:33.657
screening levels at the Air Force will

01:37:33.657 --> 01:37:35.823
not recontact . The chicken egg owners

01:37:35.823 --> 01:37:37.934
were just , that was disappointing to

01:37:37.934 --> 01:37:40.157
the community . However , uh especially

01:37:40.157 --> 01:37:39.770
because there are multiple stakeholders

01:37:39.779 --> 01:37:41.946
who asked the airport to do that . Not

01:37:41.946 --> 01:37:44.112
only the community , our congressional

01:37:44.112 --> 01:37:46.279
offices , the board of Selectmen asked

01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:48.279
that um but we were able to get New

01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:50.223
Hampshire Des here to provide more

01:37:50.223 --> 01:37:52.557
contextual information to the community .

01:37:52.557 --> 01:37:54.612
And we know that Martha Roy from the

01:37:54.612 --> 01:37:56.557
town of Newington has letters from

01:37:56.557 --> 01:37:58.723
Maine that have more information . And

01:37:58.723 --> 01:38:00.723
uh the state toxicologist , Dr John

01:38:00.723 --> 01:38:02.890
Healey has agreed to meet with anybody

01:38:02.890 --> 01:38:05.057
in Newington who has questions . So we

01:38:05.057 --> 01:38:06.668
do feel like that contextual

01:38:06.668 --> 01:38:09.454
information can be met . Um But we , we

01:38:09.463 --> 01:38:11.463
just want to recognize that we were

01:38:11.463 --> 01:38:13.574
disappointed that that request wasn't

01:38:13.574 --> 01:38:15.796
granted . And then lastly , I just want

01:38:15.796 --> 01:38:15.574
to say in reaction to these letters and

01:38:15.583 --> 01:38:18.408
just over community engagement um in

01:38:18.417 --> 01:38:20.473
general , the r community feels that

01:38:20.473 --> 01:38:22.639
responses to the community in the last

01:38:22.639 --> 01:38:24.973
2 to 3 years have been very boilerplate .

01:38:24.973 --> 01:38:27.257
Due to ps being cutting edge and ahead

01:38:27.268 --> 01:38:29.435
of hundreds of other sites that dod is

01:38:29.435 --> 01:38:31.490
dealing with . We really want to see

01:38:31.490 --> 01:38:33.601
the Air Force refocus on our specific

01:38:33.601 --> 01:38:36.647
site and um we , we want more

01:38:36.658 --> 01:38:39.368
timeliness in our responses and more

01:38:39.377 --> 01:38:41.941
transparency . Um It's just something

01:38:41.952 --> 01:38:44.102
as , and , and Chris that's not uh

01:38:44.111 --> 01:38:46.051
directed to you specifically , we

01:38:46.062 --> 01:38:48.671
recognize that there's multiple layers

01:38:48.682 --> 01:38:51.341
of bureaucracy above you that is having

01:38:51.352 --> 01:38:53.519
to review all the information , having

01:38:53.519 --> 01:38:55.796
to review the responses , but you know ,

01:38:55.796 --> 01:38:58.130
to adequately engage with the community .

01:38:58.130 --> 01:39:00.074
Um And we make requests and we ask

01:39:00.074 --> 01:39:02.019
questions , it shouldn't take four

01:39:02.019 --> 01:39:03.908
months to get like an answer that

01:39:03.908 --> 01:39:06.074
didn't really answer what we asked and

01:39:06.074 --> 01:39:08.074
not get the level of detail that we

01:39:08.074 --> 01:39:07.945
asked for . And so I just want to

01:39:07.956 --> 01:39:10.536
recognize as I know that many eyes are

01:39:10.545 --> 01:39:12.695
on this rab that the community

01:39:12.706 --> 01:39:16.315
engagement has . Um We've seen some

01:39:16.525 --> 01:39:18.747
disappointing sides to that and we hope

01:39:18.747 --> 01:39:20.969
that we can get back to being um having

01:39:20.976 --> 01:39:23.198
more timely responses and have it being

01:39:23.198 --> 01:39:25.365
more specific to our community and not

01:39:25.365 --> 01:39:27.532
more in general because of the concern

01:39:27.532 --> 01:39:29.476
of how it will apply to many other

01:39:29.476 --> 01:39:31.839
things . So , um that is our overall

01:39:31.850 --> 01:39:34.689
reaction to the letters . Um We met as

01:39:34.700 --> 01:39:36.922
a ra a rap community members to discuss

01:39:36.922 --> 01:39:38.811
that if anybody else wants to add

01:39:38.811 --> 01:39:41.290
anything that I didn't um I'm happy to

01:39:41.299 --> 01:39:44.970
move on or if um anybody if Chris or

01:39:44.979 --> 01:39:47.146
Peter or Mike , you have any reactions

01:39:47.146 --> 01:39:49.410
to our reactions . We're happy to take

01:39:49.419 --> 01:39:53.069
them . Now , your reactions are what I

01:39:53.080 --> 01:39:55.136
was expecting . I , I , you know , I

01:39:55.136 --> 01:39:56.858
appreciate your recognition of

01:39:56.858 --> 01:39:59.080
bureaucracy is as the government . It's

01:39:59.080 --> 01:40:01.080
not me . Um , you know , and it's ,

01:40:01.080 --> 01:40:03.024
it's , it's kind of showing itself

01:40:03.024 --> 01:40:05.136
elsewhere . You know , I take case in

01:40:05.136 --> 01:40:07.302
point to getting the videos posted . I

01:40:07.302 --> 01:40:06.979
know that they're way more longer than

01:40:06.990 --> 01:40:09.101
I should have been . I , when another

01:40:09.101 --> 01:40:11.379
layer of security is out of the things ,

01:40:11.379 --> 01:40:10.549
I don't know what's driving that I

01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.200
don't . Um But you know , it's

01:40:13.209 --> 01:40:15.042
sometimes , you know , it is the

01:40:15.042 --> 01:40:17.376
government so be patient and , you know ,

01:40:17.376 --> 01:40:19.376
do a note about you . Sometimes I'm

01:40:19.376 --> 01:40:18.879
frustrated with the speed of things as

01:40:18.890 --> 01:40:21.740
well . And um you know , I , again , I

01:40:21.750 --> 01:40:23.972
will pass this along with my leadership

01:40:23.979 --> 01:40:26.146
and those folks in the know that , you

01:40:26.146 --> 01:40:28.423
know , this , that there was a problem .

01:40:28.423 --> 01:40:28.419
I , I admit four months is way too long

01:40:28.430 --> 01:40:30.959
for that . And uh hopefully we learn

01:40:30.970 --> 01:40:33.026
from our , learn from the issues and

01:40:33.026 --> 01:40:35.081
then we talked about you and I am on

01:40:35.081 --> 01:40:37.137
the side about , hey , we've learned

01:40:37.137 --> 01:40:39.248
our lessons with that whole the human

01:40:39.248 --> 01:40:38.714
health risk self plan and how those

01:40:38.725 --> 01:40:40.836
questions went and what , what can we

01:40:40.836 --> 01:40:42.892
do in the future to prevent that and

01:40:42.892 --> 01:40:45.003
get a little more actively involved ?

01:40:45.003 --> 01:40:47.114
That's , you know , the idea of maybe

01:40:47.114 --> 01:40:49.003
doing our next , our next go be a

01:40:49.003 --> 01:40:50.892
workshop and talk about the ITI a

01:40:50.892 --> 01:40:50.294
little more in depth . So we all

01:40:50.305 --> 01:40:52.904
understand it and get that , get that

01:40:52.915 --> 01:40:54.971
can keep things moving that way . So

01:40:54.971 --> 01:40:57.248
again , you know , if you bear with me ,

01:40:57.248 --> 01:40:59.304
I'm trying to go down to you all . I

01:40:59.304 --> 01:40:59.009
understand your needs and I , you know ,

01:40:59.020 --> 01:41:01.020
I empathize with your positions for

01:41:01.020 --> 01:41:02.798
sure . And uh my hands are tied

01:41:02.798 --> 01:41:04.798
sometimes . But um , yeah , call me

01:41:04.798 --> 01:41:07.020
when things are , are bothering you and

01:41:07.020 --> 01:41:09.131
we'll get , we'll sort through . Ok .

01:41:09.131 --> 01:41:11.353
And , um , do we have a commitment that

01:41:11.353 --> 01:41:13.520
when we do have a technical session on

01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:13.259
the ITIR , we can focus sometimes

01:41:13.270 --> 01:41:15.437
specifically on shellfish and fin fish

01:41:15.437 --> 01:41:17.548
because I think that's an area . It's

01:41:17.548 --> 01:41:19.492
gonna be a data gap discussion , I

01:41:19.492 --> 01:41:21.714
suppose . And we know , yeah , I mean ,

01:41:21.714 --> 01:41:21.439
it's , uh , we'll hear your , we'll

01:41:21.450 --> 01:41:23.970
hear your concerns . Thank you .

01:41:25.799 --> 01:41:29.370
Oh , yeah , sorry , sorry . And I think

01:41:30.649 --> 01:41:32.871
somebody doesn't disappoint me there on

01:41:32.871 --> 01:41:35.149
the state's part . Um I think that the ,

01:41:35.149 --> 01:41:37.205
the place that we're at and I really

01:41:37.205 --> 01:41:39.500
appreciate um , the efforts from the

01:41:39.509 --> 01:41:41.970
town of millions from the , you know ,

01:41:42.250 --> 01:41:45.399
community members to , to li a s to the

01:41:45.430 --> 01:41:48.209
private landowners because of the data

01:41:48.229 --> 01:41:50.451
sharing restrictions and those of the ,

01:41:50.451 --> 01:41:53.750
well , which is uh dod , it's just

01:41:53.759 --> 01:41:55.979
important that that anyone is private

01:41:55.990 --> 01:41:58.046
data , whether it's drinking water ,

01:41:58.046 --> 01:42:00.046
eggs , produce whatever it could be

01:42:00.046 --> 01:42:02.268
that they've got questions to know that

01:42:02.268 --> 01:42:04.379
we're not getting copied on , on . We

01:42:04.379 --> 01:42:06.490
don't know who they are , but we need

01:42:06.490 --> 01:42:08.712
to know that they , uh they know how to

01:42:08.712 --> 01:42:10.879
reach out to us if they have questions

01:42:10.879 --> 01:42:12.768
about , you know , health related

01:42:12.768 --> 01:42:15.046
concerns or , or what their data means .

01:42:15.046 --> 01:42:17.268
Um So we come back to the Air Force and

01:42:17.268 --> 01:42:19.459
the Air Force is , is , is providing

01:42:19.470 --> 01:42:21.750
that guidance to them if the community

01:42:21.759 --> 01:42:23.981
has their finger on the house and there

01:42:23.981 --> 01:42:26.203
are people out there that have concerns

01:42:26.203 --> 01:42:28.037
about a consumption or the water

01:42:28.037 --> 01:42:30.203
they're drinking . There are resources

01:42:30.203 --> 01:42:32.203
here at the state and we want to be

01:42:32.203 --> 01:42:35.709
able to provide them the answer . If ,

01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:37.942
if I , if I can follow on that with the

01:42:37.942 --> 01:42:39.998
data sharing issues being resolved ,

01:42:39.998 --> 01:42:41.998
what does that mean for chicken egg

01:42:41.998 --> 01:42:44.164
owners ? Does that mean Peter will now

01:42:44.164 --> 01:42:46.109
have access to who that or to that

01:42:46.109 --> 01:42:48.276
information or who those owners were ?

01:42:48.910 --> 01:42:52.240
The GPS ? Yeah , for sure . So that's

01:42:52.250 --> 01:42:54.139
all been , you are the only thing

01:42:54.139 --> 01:42:56.194
that's protected is private drinking

01:42:56.194 --> 01:42:58.417
water . Well , information , right . So

01:42:58.417 --> 01:43:00.583
all the , all that stuff you'll see it

01:43:00.583 --> 01:43:02.750
in the NFDIR as well as to help them .

01:43:02.750 --> 01:43:02.370
And just to let you all know , I mean ,

01:43:02.379 --> 01:43:04.435
I will put my contact information on

01:43:04.435 --> 01:43:06.712
any data sampling letter that goes out .

01:43:06.712 --> 01:43:08.935
In my opinion , I've received two phone

01:43:08.935 --> 01:43:10.879
calls but people , I don't know if

01:43:10.879 --> 01:43:12.990
they're concerned about calling it if

01:43:12.990 --> 01:43:14.879
they accept it as it is , but I'm

01:43:14.879 --> 01:43:16.768
always available to those , those

01:43:16.768 --> 01:43:18.935
property owners and even the people in

01:43:18.935 --> 01:43:18.419
the private ones or you know , when

01:43:18.430 --> 01:43:20.430
they get their data trans , they're

01:43:20.430 --> 01:43:22.486
always encouraged to contact me with

01:43:22.486 --> 01:43:24.597
any issues , but it's a rare occasion

01:43:24.597 --> 01:43:26.763
when I do so , I know you're concerned

01:43:26.763 --> 01:43:28.819
that they're not reaching out . They

01:43:28.819 --> 01:43:30.986
don't reach out to me here . So they ,

01:43:30.986 --> 01:43:34.979
they do reach out to me . Ok . And I

01:43:34.990 --> 01:43:37.323
encourage them to share better . You go .

01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:41.560
Thank you . Uh OK . Uh We can go

01:43:41.569 --> 01:43:44.180
to the next slide . Thanks . Um I know

01:43:44.189 --> 01:43:46.411
this information was emailed out to the

01:43:46.411 --> 01:43:48.633
rep , but I just want to recognize that

01:43:48.633 --> 01:43:50.689
Des did co host two meetings here in

01:43:50.689 --> 01:43:52.856
Newington back in February 1 was on PF

01:43:52.856 --> 01:43:55.078
Research in Great Bay and the other one

01:43:55.078 --> 01:43:57.022
was PFAS research in our homes and

01:43:57.022 --> 01:43:56.939
yards . So the youtube links were

01:43:56.950 --> 01:43:59.061
shared . Thank you very much the town

01:43:59.061 --> 01:44:01.394
of Newington for hosting these meetings .

01:44:01.394 --> 01:44:03.339
Thank you very much to Doctor John

01:44:03.339 --> 01:44:05.506
Vitale from Des for leading those up .

01:44:05.506 --> 01:44:08.319
Um He also brought speakers from UN H

01:44:08.330 --> 01:44:10.552
Dartmouth , et cetera . I thought these

01:44:10.552 --> 01:44:12.663
meetings are very valuable and I just

01:44:12.663 --> 01:44:14.830
wanted to make everyone aware of those

01:44:14.830 --> 01:44:16.886
and have this information . Go ahead

01:44:16.886 --> 01:44:18.941
and they were recorded . The youtube

01:44:18.941 --> 01:44:21.509
links are on there . Yeah . Um As we

01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:23.687
talked about the rap community members

01:44:23.687 --> 01:44:25.742
have been working with our technical

01:44:25.742 --> 01:44:27.853
assistance advisors through SCO which

01:44:27.853 --> 01:44:29.964
is an EPA funded program . We started

01:44:29.964 --> 01:44:31.798
working with them last year . Um

01:44:31.798 --> 01:44:33.964
Everything that we do with them has to

01:44:33.964 --> 01:44:35.853
be approved by the EPA . So far ,

01:44:35.853 --> 01:44:37.909
they've done some work for us in the

01:44:37.909 --> 01:44:40.049
past and uh upcoming we have approval

01:44:40.060 --> 01:44:42.359
for them to review the itar participate

01:44:42.370 --> 01:44:44.426
in the technical session , have them

01:44:44.426 --> 01:44:46.537
provide comments to the community and

01:44:46.537 --> 01:44:48.703
they can also host a community meeting

01:44:48.703 --> 01:44:50.537
to kind of simplify what what is

01:44:50.537 --> 01:44:53.263
showing that document . Um And in blue ,

01:44:53.272 --> 01:44:55.583
I talk about the having specific time

01:44:55.592 --> 01:44:57.814
to talk about shellfish and thin fish .

01:44:57.814 --> 01:45:00.132
But uh last week I did send an email to

01:45:00.143 --> 01:45:02.643
the EPA Mike Daily asking for

01:45:02.652 --> 01:45:04.930
additional action items to be approved .

01:45:04.930 --> 01:45:06.930
And I just wanted to make everybody

01:45:06.930 --> 01:45:09.096
aware of what those action items are .

01:45:09.096 --> 01:45:11.430
We don't have to go through all of them ,

01:45:11.430 --> 01:45:13.652
but one is the webinar on how to access

01:45:13.652 --> 01:45:15.874
the administrative record in one stop .

01:45:15.874 --> 01:45:17.985
Um We want co to review the five year

01:45:17.985 --> 01:45:17.913
review document once it's published and

01:45:17.922 --> 01:45:20.496
help us understand what that means and

01:45:20.505 --> 01:45:22.905
um also have skill work on a community

01:45:22.916 --> 01:45:25.138
involvement plan , which is something I

01:45:25.138 --> 01:45:27.305
guess they're very familiar with doing

01:45:27.305 --> 01:45:29.360
with the EPA . And then we also want

01:45:29.360 --> 01:45:31.472
them to take a look at the latest pfs

01:45:31.472 --> 01:45:33.583
filtration and remediation technology

01:45:33.583 --> 01:45:35.638
available being used to treat P A in

01:45:35.638 --> 01:45:37.805
comparison to what's being used at C A

01:45:37.805 --> 01:45:37.485
and A and present their findings to us .

01:45:37.496 --> 01:45:40.045
So um I haven't heard back from the EP

01:45:40.056 --> 01:45:42.167
if those items will be approved , but

01:45:42.167 --> 01:45:44.167
um I just want to let everyone know

01:45:44.167 --> 01:45:46.389
what's coming down the pipe with co and

01:45:46.389 --> 01:45:48.556
what we're looking for in the future .

01:45:48.556 --> 01:45:50.723
Uh for approved action items , you can

01:45:50.723 --> 01:45:54.560
go to the next slide . Um This was

01:45:54.569 --> 01:45:56.680
actually addressed tonight . So thank

01:45:56.680 --> 01:45:58.625
you very much , the interim remedy

01:45:58.625 --> 01:46:00.458
email . We did um ask these five

01:46:00.458 --> 01:46:02.402
questions and I just provided more

01:46:02.402 --> 01:46:04.013
context about the emails and

01:46:04.013 --> 01:46:06.180
announcement . So we don't really need

01:46:06.180 --> 01:46:07.958
to thank you for providing your

01:46:07.958 --> 01:46:11.209
responses next um access agreement . So

01:46:11.220 --> 01:46:13.442
one question , um thank you for sending

01:46:13.442 --> 01:46:15.609
those out . I went through some of the

01:46:15.609 --> 01:46:17.664
communications that we had , as Mike

01:46:17.664 --> 01:46:19.887
mentioned , we drafted a letter for the

01:46:19.887 --> 01:46:22.109
Air Force to send to the private owners

01:46:22.109 --> 01:46:23.831
Well owners Newington Board of

01:46:23.831 --> 01:46:25.498
Selectmen also wrote a letter

01:46:25.498 --> 01:46:27.720
encouraging people to sign . Um I guess

01:46:27.740 --> 01:46:29.962
the one question that hasn't been clear

01:46:29.962 --> 01:46:31.839
to me is , um , did you send our

01:46:31.850 --> 01:46:34.017
letters with your access agreement ? I

01:46:34.017 --> 01:46:37.439
did not , I was not allowed . Ok . So ,

01:46:37.450 --> 01:46:39.774
um but we do know that the board of the

01:46:39.785 --> 01:46:42.294
town of Newington did send our letter

01:46:42.305 --> 01:46:44.472
plus the board of select the letter to

01:46:44.472 --> 01:46:46.595
all of the private well owners that

01:46:46.604 --> 01:46:48.826
they have on file . So at least we know

01:46:48.826 --> 01:46:51.654
it got that way . Um ok . I that's good

01:46:51.665 --> 01:46:53.887
to know . I know in our last meeting we

01:46:53.887 --> 01:46:56.134
made that offer and you were excited

01:46:56.145 --> 01:46:58.535
about us writing a letter . So , um is

01:46:58.544 --> 01:47:00.734
there a reason why it wasn't allowed ?

01:47:00.745 --> 01:47:03.015
Basically , it's just policy and we'll

01:47:03.024 --> 01:47:05.357
handle this on our own unless necessary .

01:47:05.357 --> 01:47:07.468
And that's kind of how it went . Ok .

01:47:07.939 --> 01:47:09.828
And it's , it's , it's still been

01:47:09.828 --> 01:47:11.883
successful . And again , thank you .

01:47:11.883 --> 01:47:11.109
For your reference so that it's , uh

01:47:11.120 --> 01:47:13.176
it's working out great . I hope that

01:47:13.176 --> 01:47:15.287
the people that haven't responded yet

01:47:15.287 --> 01:47:17.120
are kind are just being lazy and

01:47:17.120 --> 01:47:19.453
haven't done it yet as opposed to still ,

01:47:19.453 --> 01:47:21.620
you know , debating whether or not the

01:47:21.620 --> 01:47:23.842
data share , but we'll see if they keep

01:47:23.842 --> 01:47:25.953
rolling in . Ok . And so if you don't

01:47:25.953 --> 01:47:28.319
hear back , do you have a policy to

01:47:28.330 --> 01:47:30.330
recontact them ? Like after so much

01:47:30.330 --> 01:47:32.560
time we're gonna have to have it .

01:47:34.899 --> 01:47:38.359
So when you do that

01:47:39.870 --> 01:47:42.399
and that a policy that comes about .

01:47:44.850 --> 01:47:47.183
All right . Uh Next slide , please , if ,

01:47:47.183 --> 01:47:49.620
if I could , when , when you send your

01:47:49.870 --> 01:47:52.109
second letter , if you could let us

01:47:52.120 --> 01:47:54.287
know who you're sending that to . Ok ,

01:47:54.287 --> 01:47:57.140
then we can send another letter or , or

01:47:57.149 --> 01:47:59.750
the first letter we send , we can , I

01:47:59.759 --> 01:48:01.648
will ask about that again , I get

01:48:01.648 --> 01:48:03.870
sharing , sharing information is kind

01:48:03.879 --> 01:48:07.879
of our , what we're not allowed to

01:48:07.890 --> 01:48:09.723
do or , or maybe we'll just send

01:48:09.723 --> 01:48:11.723
another letter out to all the , the

01:48:11.723 --> 01:48:14.700
well owners an if , if that keeps you

01:48:14.709 --> 01:48:16.810
out of trouble , that's fine . Thank

01:48:17.080 --> 01:48:20.529
you . Um Next slide , I just wanna

01:48:20.540 --> 01:48:22.899
recognize a topic that the RAV would

01:48:22.910 --> 01:48:25.250
like to request for a future meeting is

01:48:25.259 --> 01:48:28.049
to review the A Triple F releases since

01:48:28.060 --> 01:48:29.893
2014 and determine if there's an

01:48:29.893 --> 01:48:32.060
appropriate monitor monitoring plan in

01:48:32.060 --> 01:48:34.171
place . I know Peter and I spoke over

01:48:34.171 --> 01:48:36.393
the phone a couple weeks ago . Um But I

01:48:36.393 --> 01:48:38.616
think this would be , this is something

01:48:38.616 --> 01:48:38.353
that initially , we were gonna ask co

01:48:38.362 --> 01:48:40.623
to do and I think it'd be helpful if we

01:48:40.632 --> 01:48:42.854
could plan for a future grab meeting to

01:48:42.854 --> 01:48:45.021
talk about . What do you mean a triple

01:48:45.021 --> 01:48:47.188
F releases , the basis would shut down

01:48:47.188 --> 01:48:47.033
for seven years . So the Air National

01:48:47.042 --> 01:48:49.098
Guard is here . Um , well , we could

01:48:49.098 --> 01:48:51.264
maybe ask them if they want to present

01:48:51.264 --> 01:48:53.431
something like that in the future . Is

01:48:53.431 --> 01:48:55.598
Mr J here . No , there you go . You on

01:48:56.913 --> 01:48:59.746
it reported . If there are releases ,

01:48:59.755 --> 01:49:01.922
it has to be reported . And you know ,

01:49:01.922 --> 01:49:04.088
so um that was a question that came up

01:49:04.088 --> 01:49:06.033
from the R community members . Has

01:49:06.033 --> 01:49:08.088
there been additional releases ? And

01:49:08.088 --> 01:49:10.166
there's also a fire department on PS

01:49:10.175 --> 01:49:12.397
that the city of Portsmouth runs . So ,

01:49:12.397 --> 01:49:14.453
you know , I I think it's a relevant

01:49:14.453 --> 01:49:16.453
question for sure . Even though the

01:49:16.453 --> 01:49:16.355
base is closed , there's still

01:49:16.366 --> 01:49:18.422
absolutely activity . It's an active

01:49:18.422 --> 01:49:20.950
airport . Um So yeah , I just want to

01:49:20.959 --> 01:49:23.181
put that out there . That was a request

01:49:23.181 --> 01:49:25.292
for the , for our future wrap topic .

01:49:25.292 --> 01:49:27.403
Um And then based on what we learn on

01:49:27.403 --> 01:49:29.126
that , we can decide if that's

01:49:29.126 --> 01:49:31.459
something we want you to look more into .

01:49:31.459 --> 01:49:34.540
Uh next slide , please . And then just

01:49:34.549 --> 01:49:36.899
my last um update real quick . Uh a

01:49:36.910 --> 01:49:38.890
year ago , I let everyone know , I

01:49:38.899 --> 01:49:40.788
participated in a program for the

01:49:40.788 --> 01:49:42.677
University of Florida . They were

01:49:42.677 --> 01:49:44.510
looking for communities with P A

01:49:44.510 --> 01:49:46.510
contamination . They wanted to test

01:49:46.510 --> 01:49:48.677
foam . I know rose who brought that up

01:49:48.677 --> 01:49:50.788
tonight um in some communities , they

01:49:50.788 --> 01:49:52.899
have found that foam does have really

01:49:52.899 --> 01:49:54.510
high concentrations of P A ,

01:49:54.510 --> 01:49:56.732
particularly in Michigan . Um They have

01:49:56.732 --> 01:49:58.843
a do not touch advisor , I believe on

01:49:58.843 --> 01:50:01.066
the phone . Um And so this is something

01:50:01.066 --> 01:50:03.183
I have raised here before and I was

01:50:03.192 --> 01:50:05.502
able to send samples to Florida and I

01:50:05.513 --> 01:50:07.624
have continually checked in with them

01:50:07.624 --> 01:50:09.569
about the results and this was the

01:50:09.569 --> 01:50:11.902
latest result I got at the end of March .

01:50:11.902 --> 01:50:13.680
So I just want to share and the

01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:15.902
pictures are of my son who went out and

01:50:15.902 --> 01:50:15.382
helped me collect the samples a year

01:50:15.393 --> 01:50:18.065
ago . Uh one on PS and one in Newington .

01:50:18.366 --> 01:50:20.436
Um And right now the samples haven't

01:50:20.445 --> 01:50:22.501
analyzed , they haven't released the

01:50:22.501 --> 01:50:24.723
data yet as they're processing it for a

01:50:24.723 --> 01:50:26.746
uh a manuscript and it's undergoing

01:50:26.755 --> 01:50:29.375
peer review . So unfortunately , until

01:50:29.386 --> 01:50:31.525
it is a peer reviewed paper , they're

01:50:31.536 --> 01:50:33.536
not gonna release individual data ,

01:50:33.545 --> 01:50:35.656
which I have run into this before and

01:50:35.656 --> 01:50:37.767
other projects I participated in . Um

01:50:37.767 --> 01:50:39.823
So I just wanted to give everyone an

01:50:39.823 --> 01:50:41.601
update . I don't have any other

01:50:41.601 --> 01:50:43.601
timeline other than that , but just

01:50:43.601 --> 01:50:45.489
wanted you to know that I'm still

01:50:45.489 --> 01:50:45.390
waiting the results and I'll share it

01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:47.510
with you as soon as I get it from the

01:50:47.510 --> 01:50:50.779
University of Florida . Um That is all

01:50:50.979 --> 01:50:53.035
I believe I have and I don't know if

01:50:53.035 --> 01:50:54.979
you have a question for me . Yes .

01:50:54.979 --> 01:50:56.979
Thank you very much . And I wish to

01:50:56.979 --> 01:50:59.090
commend you and what you have brought

01:50:59.090 --> 01:51:01.146
up on , on any of the points and the

01:51:01.146 --> 01:51:02.959
points to the Air Force on the

01:51:02.970 --> 01:51:06.259
shellfish . We have a lot of oyster

01:51:06.270 --> 01:51:09.379
farmers on Little Bay and I'm very ,

01:51:09.390 --> 01:51:11.779
very concerned what goes into Little

01:51:11.790 --> 01:51:14.012
Bay . I live on the bay . I know that .

01:51:14.149 --> 01:51:16.371
And then the other thing I went to when

01:51:16.371 --> 01:51:18.149
you collected the bulb was that

01:51:18.149 --> 01:51:20.371
mcintyre down on , on the other side of

01:51:20.371 --> 01:51:23.009
town mcintyre Road . Yeah , off

01:51:23.020 --> 01:51:25.209
mcintyre Road . And it was down on

01:51:25.220 --> 01:51:27.740
Newton Road . There is a , we call it

01:51:27.750 --> 01:51:29.750
the mcintyre Brook , but the United

01:51:29.750 --> 01:51:31.861
States , of course , that's where she

01:51:31.861 --> 01:51:34.009
corrected the fall . And the ,

01:51:35.529 --> 01:51:38.680
um , it was on Mac Dre but it wasn't

01:51:38.689 --> 01:51:42.240
mcintyre Rock . Yeah . Where it was ,

01:51:42.250 --> 01:51:44.306
it said there was like fish and game

01:51:44.306 --> 01:51:46.528
and it said it was open to the public .

01:51:46.528 --> 01:51:48.583
There were signs there . Um , it was

01:51:48.583 --> 01:51:50.917
like a waterway . I think it's the next ,

01:51:50.917 --> 01:51:52.750
uh , the next clothing itself of

01:51:52.750 --> 01:51:54.509
mcintyre can .

01:51:57.830 --> 01:52:00.140
Do we have anybody public on ? Yeah , I

01:52:00.250 --> 01:52:03.509
think , yeah , I mean , yeah , so , I

01:52:03.529 --> 01:52:05.696
think , was that where we are ? We are

01:52:05.696 --> 01:52:07.862
beyond the time . Um , is there anyone

01:52:07.862 --> 01:52:09.918
from the public who is interested in

01:52:09.918 --> 01:52:12.419
making a comment that ?

01:52:15.790 --> 01:52:19.180
Ok , so , so seeing no one we have , um ,

01:52:20.589 --> 01:52:22.811
made it through to the agenda , um , it

01:52:22.819 --> 01:52:25.209
past eight o'clock . Um , and so I

01:52:25.220 --> 01:52:27.810
think we had Chance for the Q and A ,

01:52:27.819 --> 01:52:29.708
unless there's any other pressing

01:52:29.708 --> 01:52:31.859
matters that , um , around like three

01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:36.455
right now . And I , I think somebody

01:52:36.455 --> 01:52:38.890
else to acknowledge the work that the F

01:52:39.020 --> 01:52:42.410
46 on uh that I eight recently

01:52:42.910 --> 01:52:45.660
and we started the meeting with that .

01:52:45.669 --> 01:52:48.689
Uh But that's , that's not reported

01:52:48.700 --> 01:52:51.410
really in the record . And um I think

01:52:51.419 --> 01:52:54.410
we , uh it's something we

01:52:55.350 --> 01:52:59.330
then perhaps festering about but

01:52:59.370 --> 01:53:01.609
it , you know , it's , it's a , it's a

01:53:01.620 --> 01:53:05.600
interim remediation facility that uh

01:53:05.609 --> 01:53:08.910
has far lag behind the re

01:53:08.939 --> 01:53:11.609
the terrific results from the aim

01:53:11.620 --> 01:53:14.310
system at , at the other end of the

01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:17.930
base . And uh we , it's just

01:53:17.939 --> 01:53:21.910
very uh pleasing to see that

01:53:21.919 --> 01:53:25.810
the Air Force has uh turned

01:53:25.819 --> 01:53:28.779
its attention to this and is doing so

01:53:28.790 --> 01:53:31.729
in a very meaningful way . Still a

01:53:31.740 --> 01:53:34.569
pilot study . So , and no one should

01:53:34.580 --> 01:53:38.109
jump up and down yet . But uh uh

01:53:38.120 --> 01:53:41.379
it , it needs to be acknowledged and I

01:53:41.390 --> 01:53:43.930
appreciate the chance to say that

01:53:43.939 --> 01:53:46.259
because I've been one of the biggest

01:53:46.270 --> 01:53:49.629
critics of the system . Yeah , I saw

01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:51.807
Val was on the , on the line earlier .

01:53:51.807 --> 01:53:53.918
So again , Val has been a big part of

01:53:53.918 --> 01:53:53.709
that in the past . He's , he's done a

01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:55.776
lot to help us move forward with our

01:53:55.776 --> 01:53:57.664
contract . So y'all who have been

01:53:57.664 --> 01:53:59.887
around for a while ? No , val , he's my

01:53:59.887 --> 01:53:59.819
boss and uh without him , we wouldn't

01:53:59.830 --> 01:54:01.997
be where we are right now . So again ,

01:54:01.997 --> 01:54:04.108
thank you to be val . I don't know if

01:54:04.108 --> 01:54:03.919
you can speak here , but uh things are

01:54:03.930 --> 01:54:06.041
moving along great and appreciate all

01:54:06.041 --> 01:54:09.879
your input . Um Thank you

01:54:10.200 --> 01:54:12.410
any other pressing matters , but just

01:54:12.419 --> 01:54:15.180
quickly , uh , we welcome the new

01:54:15.189 --> 01:54:17.580
members . Um , and I'm hoping that

01:54:17.589 --> 01:54:19.811
you've gotten some guidance as to where

01:54:19.811 --> 01:54:21.756
to start to try to drag your heads

01:54:21.756 --> 01:54:23.811
around . Everything that's been done

01:54:23.811 --> 01:54:26.033
here . I don't know if you've been told

01:54:26.033 --> 01:54:28.033
to leave the , the RR I plan or the

01:54:28.033 --> 01:54:30.145
inspector , whether there's a company

01:54:30.145 --> 01:54:32.145
of key documents that are out there

01:54:32.145 --> 01:54:34.200
that they , that you're not aware of

01:54:34.200 --> 01:54:36.422
them . I think that's a great place for

01:54:36.422 --> 01:54:38.422
if they haven't read them . So they

01:54:38.422 --> 01:54:40.645
really see the summary of the work that

01:54:40.645 --> 01:54:42.811
we've done and , uh , and help you try

01:54:42.811 --> 01:54:44.922
to get up to speed with the game that

01:54:44.922 --> 01:54:47.145
we're talking about here and , um , for

01:54:47.145 --> 01:54:49.256
a producer or , uh , well , I can see

01:54:49.256 --> 01:54:51.478
it has been so involved in it as well .

01:54:51.478 --> 01:54:53.756
They might even have a summary for out .

01:54:53.756 --> 01:54:55.478
Yeah , you posted all the past

01:54:55.478 --> 01:54:57.422
presentations right from the R but

01:54:57.422 --> 01:54:59.367
those are actually very good . You

01:54:59.367 --> 01:55:01.589
really want a 3000 ft view of , I think

01:55:01.589 --> 01:55:03.700
progress that's been made since , you

01:55:03.700 --> 01:55:05.478
know , since the RB is gonna be

01:55:05.478 --> 01:55:07.422
constituted and I got a lot of the

01:55:07.422 --> 01:55:09.589
films that pass , not so much on stuff

01:55:09.589 --> 01:55:12.040
that PC TV has done , but definitely so

01:55:12.049 --> 01:55:15.259
the fee pass , um , to the discovery of

01:55:15.310 --> 01:55:17.569
some investigations and other actions

01:55:17.580 --> 01:55:19.524
been taken to sort of address they

01:55:19.524 --> 01:55:22.240
drink the water issues . I mean , we're

01:55:22.390 --> 01:55:26.020
on General station that I would

01:55:26.270 --> 01:55:30.000
do it . We may do till I retire .

01:55:30.319 --> 01:55:33.850
Uh , we need to talk my .

01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:39.120
Oh , no .

01:55:40.129 --> 01:55:44.129
Ok . All right . Well , I think let's ,

01:55:44.140 --> 01:55:46.251
um , let's call it an evening just in

01:55:46.259 --> 01:55:48.569
terms of next steps , we'll , we'll be

01:55:48.580 --> 01:55:50.636
drafting a meeting summary . So stay

01:55:50.636 --> 01:55:53.479
tuned to that slides will be posted and

01:55:53.490 --> 01:55:55.323
we'll be in touch about the next

01:55:55.323 --> 01:55:57.546
meeting date . There's also a number of

01:55:57.546 --> 01:55:59.768
things we expect to happen between this

01:55:59.768 --> 01:56:01.990
meeting and the next . So the it should

01:56:01.990 --> 01:56:04.212
be released soon pro hoping and he will

01:56:04.212 --> 01:56:06.703
review that and there's a plan to have

01:56:06.993 --> 01:56:09.215
the tackling around that . I mean , the

01:56:09.215 --> 01:56:11.583
request about shell and B fetch data

01:56:11.592 --> 01:56:14.683
gaps being part of that . Um Chris ,

01:56:14.692 --> 01:56:16.803
we've heard a request for you to kind

01:56:16.803 --> 01:56:19.025
of check in if you can share who you're

01:56:19.025 --> 01:56:21.081
gonna might be recontacting about um

01:56:21.081 --> 01:56:23.212
the um the data , right ? And if you

01:56:23.223 --> 01:56:26.272
can include that information . Um And

01:56:26.513 --> 01:56:29.166
we also heard this request around P pop

01:56:29.235 --> 01:56:32.346
it for reviewing a PLO releases . So

01:56:32.355 --> 01:56:34.522
we'll talk about those planning team .

01:56:34.522 --> 01:56:36.688
I think those are all the kind of next

01:56:36.688 --> 01:56:38.855
steps that I heard in the meeting . Um

01:56:38.855 --> 01:56:40.855
I wanna thank everyone . Um Again ,

01:56:40.855 --> 01:56:42.966
it's a pleasure to be part of this um

01:56:42.966 --> 01:56:44.966
really interesting presentation for

01:56:44.966 --> 01:56:47.188
discussing today . Um We'll be in touch

01:56:47.188 --> 01:56:49.299
about the next meeting . Thank you so

01:56:49.299 --> 01:56:51.577
much . All of you for going a bit late ,

01:56:51.577 --> 01:56:52.405
great night , evening as a journey .