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We're not focused on individual

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programs for , for airmen who then come

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to us and we figure out how to give

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them a degree . Ours are service

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oriented . What are skill sets or

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educational requirements that the three

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services needed . We're producing

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programs that meet those needs and get

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sailors , marines and coast guardsmen

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into those programs . OK . Most of what

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we do is in partnership with a

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consortium of other universities and

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community colleges around the country

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that have the specific expertise in the

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skill set that we're looking for . They

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provide what , what you think of as the

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major courses uh And they help us with

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the general education courses . Um The

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other thing that I think is important

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for us is that all of our degrees are

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designed for maximum transfer into a

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four year program so that when our

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students graduate , they can continue

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with their education seamlessly . So

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that the idea is to , we're also

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setting them up on the pathway for life ,

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uh lifelong learning . These are our uh

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organization or program learning

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outcomes . Uh There's a test on this ,

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so get these quick . No . Um this is

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everything that we do is focused on

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making sure that we're , we're

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improving our capacity for our students

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to hit these learning outcomes

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successfully . This is our program

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designed it's stackable certificates .

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Uh Russ runs for us , the naval studies

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certificate . Uh It's five courses that

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meet uh a couple of the general

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education requirements , but we have

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tailored them , we've naval them . So

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that , that what we're learning in the

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classroom is contextualized and

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relevant to me as a sailor of Marina

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Coast Guardsmen that I can think about

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this and apply it to my job the next

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day . Uh The rest of the , the

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intellectual skills or , or general ed

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is provided by uh uh one of one of our

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partners and then each of the , the

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professional focus certificates is

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offered by a different partner that

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we're working with . Eventually we

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expect to have in the neighborhood of

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15 programs and probably more partners

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than that uh providing the education

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with us . And all of this is as we

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launch each of these , this is the team

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that helps design the program so that

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our courses transfer into their general

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led requirements at the partner . And

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that what the partner is doing is

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exactly relevant uh and specific to ,

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to the tasks that we , we want uh for

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our , our uh students . These are the

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the five naval studies classes , uh

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naval ethics and leadership , modern

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naval history , forced design , civil

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military relations is really is , is

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American government 101 . But from the

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perspective of I'm a uniformed member

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of the armed services . What's my role

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in , in the government of the United

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States ? And then finally , uh with

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geopolitics , we rise up to the level

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of how does my service perform its

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mission for the nation on the global

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stage ? What's our role , how does all

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that fit together ? And this is

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designed . So not only to give you the

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some of the basic skills , basic

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education you would , you would get at

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any school , but to do it in a context

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that helps you develop your sense of

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professionalism and , and a deeper

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understanding of your role as a rising

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leader in the service . So I'm

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gonna turn it over to Russ now . Uh

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That's everything you have to listen to

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for me . And now I'm gonna let the

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experts do their thing

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as entertaining as it might be to see

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me try to get out from behind this

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table . And San I'm self aware enough

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to know not to attempt that . So , uh

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for us , uh we had uh several

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challenges when uh we , we piloted , we

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didn't have any data uh as far as how

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our courses were going to work in

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conjunction with each other . Uh We

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definitely had a uh a journey that we

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wanted our students to go through to

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meet our program outcomes . But uh

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working in conjunction with a partner

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where students had the opportunity to

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go to the partner institution and back

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to us . What we did is we piloted our

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first set of courses , uh having the

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students take our uh 101 through 105

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in sequence and then join the partner

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institution to allow us to have the

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data to uh to be able to proceed . Um

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And so that was sort of the , the , the

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start and then seeing the utility of

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the , the stand alone certificate

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outside of uh a component of the

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associate's degree , uh We opened the

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certificate direct to direct enrollment

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since we're generally as a associates

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program designed to support uh students

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that did not have a bachelor's or uh

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degrees above a associates . Uh We

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wanted to be able to have that skill

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set available as far as what we offer

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in the Naval certificate uh to students

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outside of uh an associate's program .

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So , uh we began that pilot uh about uh

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three terms ago , it sort of

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highlighted some issues for us . Uh We

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require students to have some sort of

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uh English composition uh before they

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uh take our courses uh having stand

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alone uh certificates sort of isolated

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those students from the enrollment with

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a partner institution where that was

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being provided for us . Uh And so that

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was something that we definitely uh

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looked at is maybe this is something to

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take on ourselves and Scott will talk

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about that later . Uh As far as at

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least having the first pilot , uh It

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allowed us to have some , some data and

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to be able to look at uh here's how the

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students are able to progress and then

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uh have that information that we could

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use later .

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So as Chuck and Russ alluded to , we

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are asynchronous , so it's all online .

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And um as we found in some of our early

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pilots and the uh courses delivered

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through Sunni Empire , um we saw the

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um link between those who came to us

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that were English ready and the those

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who had success in the , in the course ,

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um It's the way that they're gonna

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express their , their ideas . It's the

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way we're gonna assess uh their

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competence and how well they understand

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the concepts that we prevented or

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presented . Uh And it's primarily

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through discussion forums and through

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writing assignments uh with 102 , the

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modern naval history course that I

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teach , they come to me after

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completing a course in which they uh

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they're assigned three relatively short

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reflective essays . They come to my

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course and it's an 8 to 10 page

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research paper where they've got to

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research and use evidence , they find

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in a way that supports a thesis that

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they develop . And so we found that

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those skills that they're not , they're

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already in the student . Um It could be

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quite daunting . So in addition to the

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link we saw between success and having

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those writing skills already , um we

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also saw or we , we believe we see a

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link between higher attrition in my

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course . Um And the , the lack of

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writing skills that some of the

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students bring to us and that those two

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factors combined have led the

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leadership of us NCC to go ahead and

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consider moving forward quicker uh to

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naval an English class . It's gonna

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present them and , and arm them with

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the skills they need to be successful

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throughout our five courses

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as an online school . One of the things

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that we had to look at was what type of

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assessments did we want to uh focus on

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and knowing ? I think all of us here

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have critical thinking as an important

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aspect of uh the outcomes that we're

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looking at . And the writing process we

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believe provided us the best

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opportunity to see the students thought

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process as far as collecting evidence ,

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doing the analysis of evidence and then

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supporting a thesis . So one thing that

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we needed to be able to do is have

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those writing skills . But we also at

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the start of that to be able to

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understand the problem we needed to

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look at uh informational literacy . So

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for us , uh having the history course

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is our second course allowed us on the

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research paper to build in this an

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annotated bibliography with the

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students through milestones and have

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that interaction as far as what is the

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scholarly source , what is the author's

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intent and provide some feedback as far

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as how the student is , is using

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evidence to support an argument and ,

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and allow them to make corrections in

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that journey early . So a lot of the uh

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discussion that we've had is what

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course comes , where , where did the

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skills build from ? So that's important

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as a second course . Uh What Dan does

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in 101 is uh uh introduce logical

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fallacies , discuss how an argument is

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constructed . So we have uh that

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introduced in , in 101 before we go

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into the , the research . Uh and

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another important thing is uh a benefit

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to us is we serve students in the

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Marine Corps Coast Guard and Navy . Uh

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And so that provides us the perspective

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of three different services . I am

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often amazed , especially in the ethics

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course at how well the students

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interact with , with some very

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complicated issues and the deference

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that they give to different opinions

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because they are all active duty and uh

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in the interaction that hey , there may

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be a different view other than my own

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and I may learn something , having a

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reasonable conversation with somebody

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whose thoughts and ideas are different

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to mine uh has worked much better than

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I would have ever anticipated . So that

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and logical fallacies building in 101 .

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And then the uh the research uh that is

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happening in 102 to , to build on the

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information of literacy are key on the

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critical thinking aspect and then

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focusing on written and oral

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presentations as opposed to what might

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be uh I don't wanna say standard but

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multiple choice or fill in the blank

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type of testing . It allows us to then

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see the , the use of that evidence and

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analysis . And then the move to

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critical thinking ,

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one of the experiments we've been

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working with is simulation war gaming .

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And if you are familiar with naval

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history , you know , war gaming goes

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back well over 100 years . Uh it's also

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practice at other uh naval University

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system schools . So we thought it

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appropriate that we could uh integrate

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that into our naval studies program .

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And when we looked at specifically N A

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101 , ethics and leadership and

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geopolitics , it , it seemed to make

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sense and , and we actually drafted

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part lessons uh to go through and see

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what that would look like in accordance

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with uh the course uh learning outcomes

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and objectives uh but also the flow of

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the course . Um So it seems to fit well ,

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it also fits well with our own

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institutional outcomes and also our

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strategic goals uh for the naval

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education strategy of 2023 . It fits

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nicely under the continuum of learning

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uh line of effort . And that's focused

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naval education on war fighting

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specifically going back to I think the

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US NC C's roots as a by product of the

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E four A study in 2017 , we're trying

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to promote enlisted education and we

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see that war gaming , which is

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typically officer Heavy would be a

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place that we could expand that

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knowledge and uh and , and produce

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thinkers uh from that population . Uh

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Currently , we're engaging with

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education and uh industry leaders uh

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with war gaming . Uh The crew , a

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center has been very gracious . They've

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allowed our students to participate in

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their war gaming efforts . But right

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now where we're at , I it's , it's uh

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something we would like to do . It's

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aspiration . But right now given where

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we are in the life cycle of the college ,

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but also the technological requirements

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because we're completely online that

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throws another wrench uh into it . So

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right now we have it uh for action but

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no concrete plans and implement uh

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implementation steps currently .

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Oh , you gotta listen to me again .

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Sorry . So one of the things that ,

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that we have been focused on in our

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student surveys is that , you know ,

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are we giving you material , are we

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putting uh applications in front of you

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that are relevant to you in the service ?

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And one of the things we learned early

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on uh with a very Navy and Marine Corps ,

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heavy faculty at the start , um is that

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we sort of short changed uh our Coast

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Guard students and , and let's be

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honest , our Navy and Marine Corps

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students because they weren't hearing

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about the specific missions , uh the

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specific capabilities and the legal

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authorities that the Coast Guard has

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that the other services don't have .

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And so we are fortunate that the rest

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of our faculty , uh one other person ,

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uh Professor Jennifer Ketchum , who is

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a retired coast guard captain , uh

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joined us , uh We were able to stand

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with her and say , hey , look , we're ,

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we're getting a lot of pushback that we

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don't address relevant coast Guard

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examples , capabilities and , and

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authorities well enough . So she's been

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a , a huge asset for the team to help

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us think through where in each of our

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classes , we add vignettes or uh or

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little uh readings so that we , we make

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sure that our , our Navy and Marine

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Corps personnel understand what their

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Coast Guard partners can do that they

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cannot do and start to see how the

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three services really support each

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other as a total maritime force . And I

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think that's , that's something that ,

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that we do across the board if we see

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survey results uh or , or comments uh

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in evaluations that we've missed

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something , we go back immediately and

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figure out how do we fix this because

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we , you know , we want uh we want our

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classes to be as good as possible . So

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this , this is one example of , of

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something we were able to turn around

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very quickly because we had an , we had

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an on faculty expert who could guide uh

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our work to get better at this .

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So like the slide says , uh not

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everything has been successful . I I

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would not say failure but not

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successful . And I'll produce uh two

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test cases for your consideration . And

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one was with uh a partnership between

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CD A O and udacity . For those of you

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who are not familiar uh CD A O is the

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Chief digital and Artificial um office .

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And that has a dod um appreciation and

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understanding of artificial

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intelligence . So it's not service

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specific . So we wanted to link with

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them because in theory , they should

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have all the purview and be able to see

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the bigger picture . Uh not just Navy

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Marine Corps Coast Guard picture . And

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we partnered them with udacity , which

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is an online learning company and they

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help uh mostly tech focused uh

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companies upskill their workforce . So

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they'll work Amazon Google . Uh but

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also they work with uh the Air Force

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and Special operations come in . So we

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had admittedly not uh an introductory

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course , it was machine learning with

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tensorflow , but we thought we did a

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good job . We picked 60 students all

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interested in this type of uh uh course ,

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all volunteered , all had the right uh

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background in mathematics and they were

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currently not taking courses at us NCC .

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So had the time had the interest ,

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had uh the ability uh one past

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so and so we looked at that ,

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scratched our heads a little bit and I

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think the takeaways here uh that

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student happened to be in my nav 101

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class . So a lot of these takeaways are

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directly from that student , but also

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from us as an institution . Some things

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became clear , uh no clear pathway .

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Great course . But what does it mean ?

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What does it mean to my future degree

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program ? What does it mean to my

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future rate in this case ? But also M

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OS applied for the Marine Corps . Uh

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What about transfer credit ? One of the

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questions we asked CD A O is uh do we

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get these kind of courses uploaded in

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JSTU or some other type of uh uh credit

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uh recognition ? And , and then the

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last bullet , I , I think this is maybe

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a stretch but some massive online

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courses may not applicable to one our

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school but our students uh having them

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be in a community that's learning from

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each other that has instructor

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interaction may have some valuable um

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additions that we just didn't

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anticipate uh in this course .

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So the other one was with the uh DDG 60

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experiment . And for those of you who

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are familiar with naval education ,

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there used to be this thing called NC

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Pace . Basically , instructors would go

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on ships . Uh Scott and I were old

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instructors uh with NC Pace . I taught

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Western Civ in Afghanistan . I'm part

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of the 24 U I taught the death of

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Patroclus uh in a bunker during a

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rocket attack . And the source of our

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light was the burning fuel pit behind

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us . So that makes for a very

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interesting visual , not a great

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learning environment . Uh I would say

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the uh watch

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requirements . It , it was a very

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difficult program to get the right

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instructor who could teach the right

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classes with students who were ready

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and able to take uh courses . Val uh is

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the next step in the evolution .

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However , there were challenges uh that

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again operationally , right ? We are

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the naval services first and foremost .

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Uh we are out and about all over the

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world and there's also technological uh

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issues . So with DDG 60 we revamped

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nav 101 , we cut it into three specific

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parts . They were self contained , all

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the videos were transcribed . Uh They

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had a template of due dates and their

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job was to finish contact the

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instructor when they were able to come

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up for air and send uh an email with

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their assignment . And it would be this

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interplay where it was kind of fluid

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dates . You give me an assignment , I

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give you my feedback , you keep going .

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Uh One assignment was done and this is

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considering the education officer , all

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the students were ready on board again ,

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willing uh able and only one assignment .

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And I think two emails over , I think

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over six months even after the ship had

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returned to port . So again , I think

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that sometimes these , this kind of

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goes back to the first point regarding

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the CD A O UDACITY is a , a

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community of learners that has some

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direction , has some timetables

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attached to . It may be beneficial to

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uh our student population .

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So we're looking at also other delivery

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um mechanism but also other

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goals for our students . And uh that is

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included in a pre and non degree

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credentialing . Uh how will that feed

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uh the fighting force of the maritime

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services ? And I , I will say by

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introduction of myself , I'm the newest

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member of the staff here . I've been on

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board less than two months and so much

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of what I talk about . My , my part is

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brief here , but it's still

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aspirational as we're still uh moving

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forward . Uh But as we uh partner with

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our academic uh coordinate with our

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academic partners , um we're

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trying to find what is embedded in

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these programs uh that is useful

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to the uh S service members and to the

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units themselves . We want to uh

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incentivize and you see there can be

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some problems incentivizing the

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students under their operational

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environments to complete the course

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work . We also want to incentivize the

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commands and uh colloquially uh

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what's in it for me ? Why would the

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commands incentivize their sailors ,

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marines and coast guardsmen to

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participate in these programs , if we

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can give them credentials that help

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make the unit better ? Uh Then we're

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winning that battle , I believe . So

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that , that's where we're starting to

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focus here . Uh That could be

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certifications licenses . Uh What helps

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qualify me to be better at my job . But

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also , then we still need that flow

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through to get academic credit and put

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them on a pathway towards an academic

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degree . Next line . Uh

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As others have mentioned , we started

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to look at uh delivery uh platforms ,

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delivery methods . Uh Part of that uh

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11 platform that is online now is a

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digital university . Uh We're looking

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at how the Air Force is using that . Uh

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We're in a meeting today with uh

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Coursera , which is one of the partners

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that work with uh Digital University .

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And so how are , how is the Air Force

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using it ? And how is that going to

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apply to what we want to do ? What we

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want to avoid is uh we're not trying to

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build a platform for training . We're

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trying to build a platform for

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education and uh we're just starting to

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explore what are the differences in

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that uh our primary concerns as we

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start looking into uh building this

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learning uh management system . This

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platform is uh access . Uh We need our

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students to be able to access the

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content . Uh If you think of some uh

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examples out there , uh maybe uh

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linkedin learning uh you can download

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modules for uh working with later . But

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based on some of our prior experiences

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with uh the other experiments are the

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students then going to engage if it's

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just them with a downloaded course uh

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to do on their own time , what are the

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motivations to uh keep them moving

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forward ? Uh Others that uh we're ,

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we're starting to explore our , if this

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is gonna be for academic credit , uh we

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then need uh student verification uh

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from deployed locations around the

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world . How do we know that the person

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who says they're taking the course is

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the one taking the course ? And then uh

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how do we assess that test , assess uh

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again in these uh sometimes austere

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environments that our students are

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gonna be working in . And then , uh

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finally , as , as always a question

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cost .

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So uh we're , we're going to discuss

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some of the metrics that we may

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actually be able to put some uh data

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with whether it's indirect or direct

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measures . Uh The first thing that

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we're going to discuss is some indirect

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measures with our survey and uh from NF

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101 and I'll turn it over to Dan for

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that . I think the genesis outside of

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probably wanting to know if you're

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teaching the course material . Well ,

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is uh two fundamental questions . Uh

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What do you know ? And how do you know

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it ? And then two what do you want to

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know and why ? And for me as an

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instructor who was in uniform , I wanna

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know , am I providing value back to the

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service ? And uh uh I'll show you how

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we kind of done it in NAV 101 . So

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this is from our assessment team . And

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I think when you're looking at this and

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I'll forego the top part , but we're

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looking at , you know , 800 or

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so students , 866 I think to be exact

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over eight terms uh from your left to

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right . It's uh using the leer scale of

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relevant to not relevant at one uh

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perceived course material relevancy uh

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is the furthest left uh 4.3 . So a

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pretty high uh mark , perceive learner

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skill relevancy uh as an enlisted

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service member , 4.24 and then perceive

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learner skill relevancy to future

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college queer uh 3.95 . So with that

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first , you know , as we're going

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through the assessment phase , uh do we

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find that our material is relevant to

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the sailors because it does us no good

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and it does the services no good if we

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are teaching material that is not

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relevant . Next slide please . And from

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A N A 101 perspective , um we've done

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this three terms , I think uh and this

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data is from the fall two term and we

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use what is called a moral deliberation

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road map . It's a an ethical model to

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make decisions and we want the service

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members to go back and help them make

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ethical decisions . Uh using that

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particular model . I'll take anything

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to be honest with you , but uh an

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ethical decision model I think would be

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more helpful . And these questions

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weren't initially in the end of course ,

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survey . So we added them to try to get

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at um Are we providing value back to

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the services and , and so what we found

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was uh one could they understand the

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road map ? Uh was the MD R explained in

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enough detail uh to implement in my

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duties and personal life . So , pretty

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strong score of 88% either strongly

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agree or agree . I'm better prepared to

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address ethical issues successfully .

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Uh 90% agreed or strongly agreed . And

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then these skills you're learning in

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your current course , apply to your

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role as an enlisted service member and

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that was 93% . So from

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that , we appear to be on the right

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track . And I think if I was a

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commanding officer or a senior enlisted

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advisor and any squadron battalion ,

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you name it . And my service member

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took a course and they say that they're

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thinking ethically uh because of it , I

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think that's a win from the perspective

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of the student going back to a command

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and from an instructor uh providing

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value to the services . Uh However ,

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there's , there's some nuance here that

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I think it isn't uh wholly positive if

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you look at this , this time stamp for

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directly after NAV 101 course . So what

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does that look like when they get done

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with N A 105 ? Do they even remember it ?

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So these are some of the things we're

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trying to figure out in the assessment

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phase of how do we go back to the

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commands and say , hey , you've done

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this NAV studies uh certificate what do

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you think about your so uh sailor

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Marine and Coast Guard ? Uh Some of the

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other things that I reflect on when I

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look at this is uh the open ended

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comments which are really help to put

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an understanding and bracketing of what

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you see in the quantitative data . A

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and one of the large issues that I see

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is many junior enlisted members don't

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even think about leading . They're ,

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they're focused completely on their job .

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My job is to be you name , whatever

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that rate or M Os is our job . Uh in

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this class is to get them thinking

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about leading and they may have not

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made that transition yet to the senior .

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We have all the one all the way from

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very junior enlisted members to people

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2030 years . Um and

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they have different takes on the course .

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So those that are more senior if they

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enjoy it , they say , hey , uh this is

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giving me another tool to use in my

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duties or this was too simple . So

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finding that balance uh in the material

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that applies to that wide swath of

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experience , specifically ethical

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decision making and in uh leadership ,

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it is difficult .

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So uh one of the things that I'd I'd

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like to discuss as far as how we tried

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to set things up to collect data . Um

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This is primarily in our program

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outcome number three , which is our uh

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21st century skills . These are the

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things that we wanted to assess across

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all the courses . So this is something

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we could develop longitudinal data on .

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One of the first things that we did is

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make sure that we have a common set of

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rubrics across all courses . So our

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rubric for written work is the same in

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each one of the courses . Same thing

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for whether it's annotated bibliography

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or presentations or our forums . So

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create a common expectation for what

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we're assessing across all the courses

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for both the faculty and the students .

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The second thing is we work in

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Blackboard Ultra . Uh Actually , we uh

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there's no government agency that has

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more courses in Blackboard Ultra than

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we do right now . At least that's what

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Blackboard tells us . Uh One of the

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things that we are uh able to do with

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our partners is uh uh uh Deloitte is uh

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uh supporting us is to mine the data

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lake within ultra to look at the

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scores that we have for all our

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assessments and then look at those

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assessments by actual rubric category .

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So is we align all the rubric uh uh

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rows with course learning outcomes ?

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Whoever did that for uh commanded staff

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was , was a smart person anyways uh the

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what , what whoever uh with on that

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thinking , uh We wanted to make sure

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that the assessments that we had not

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only provided us information we could

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use longitudinally , but we wanted to

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make sure that we did not have to go

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back and reassess anything to be able

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to have that data . We want to make

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sure it was captured in a way that was

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usable , not only in the assessment uh

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communication between faculty and

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student , but something we could use

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programmatically .

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So uh one theory that we had is uh that

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we would be able to seize uh certain

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skills increase as we went uh

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across the uh across uh

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the courses . So the students basically

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take the courses in order 101 through

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105 . We basically had about 950

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individual students . We had uh data on

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that's about 95 sections . Uh 48

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students completed all five courses .

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So not all of this data is based on

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students that have completed all

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courses , but this is the data that ,

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that we had um for everything uh R

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right now as , as far as all the

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students that have taken all the

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courses , it's about in total , maybe

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70,000 lines of data . Once we get down

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to the actual categories within the

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rubrics , uh as you can see , if not

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every uh progression is linear . These

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are , this is just um written work and

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this is the categories that we have uh

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with uh within a those uh

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those general rubrics . As far as um

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we would anticipate as the students

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progress through each one of those

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courses , we would see those skill sets

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uh improve uh certain things that that

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we were sort of interested in is for

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instance , uh for , for sources , uh

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which is uh if I remember correctly ,

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the , the last category there , uh the

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work that we did within the milestones

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of 102 , We saw the students work

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better with that . When we backed off

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in 103 , we saw a drop off and then the

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students were able to correct and , and

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finish strong in 104 , 105 . But the

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one thing that we wanted to make sure

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is if we are going to track these

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certain skills across all the courses ,

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where might we see the the progression ,

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where uh might there be issues ? Uh So

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for instance , for higher order

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thinking skills , we saw say a jump in

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uh 101 and 103 . So the students have

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backgrounds and ethics . All of their

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uh uh services have spent time on that .

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So the , the students have more

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background on that subject matter than

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they might have say in naval history .

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10 threes are , are uh what we call our

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force design . So they have experience

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with how their services approach ,

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meeting uh national objectives and say

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like the , the national security goals

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of the United States , how does your

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service cover down on it ? So we could

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see some of the uh background or

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resident knowledge , the students had

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uh bleed over into some of these

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courses and that was to be expected at

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least partly . But , you know , until

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you have the data , you don't know what

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you're going to get . So , if I take uh

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what we would anticipate with every uh

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rubric category that I have that

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supported program uh outcome number

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three . Uh and , and take a look at

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that one . The , the most linear uh uh

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progression there is within just the

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writing products . When I add the

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weekly forums , it's not uh nearly

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quite as neat . It's interesting for us

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why the forums uh don't have

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maybe the same progression . Uh I think

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a lot of this is going to come down to

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the students . Uh I , I don't wanna say

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lack of experience but challenge in uh

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writing . And so we saw more

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improvement within the writing itself

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and therefore that probably provided a

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more uh linear progression . The other

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is , uh I'd like to say the students

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provide their best effort every single

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week . And that is , you know , people

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have good weeks , people have bad weeks ,

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they do focus more on the written and

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oral work because they're smart and

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they know that it's worth more . And so

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I think you see a truer representation

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of their skill set in those products as

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opposed to the weekly Forums ,

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as far as uh one of uh some of the

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things that we're trying to uh to take

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a look at as far as our uh our , our

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bigger models and in going forward . Uh

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Definitely the community of learning is

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something that has , has uh has helped

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us maintain success . And whenever

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we've backed off from that , uh we've

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seen uh what to say , negative impacts .

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So , from that perspective , uh one of

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the things we're trying to do is

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maximize those engagements in forums uh

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and make sure that uh our structure

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supports that uh moving forward uh and

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maximize that as much as possible .

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So there are other experts in the room .

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Uh the aspire program uh managers up in

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the uh top rows there uh that can speak

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to this even better than us . But we

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are trying to join the uh group within

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the uh dod and larger academic

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community that is using uh A I

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Artificial Intelligence machine

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learning uh to not only help us design

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our course work but to design our

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programs as well . Um What does that

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look like ? Uh One of our concerns is

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also how will artificial intelligence

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help us on the remedial side of this uh

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bringing baseline skills into our

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programs that we can carry forward ? Uh

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Is how about uh coaching uh by A

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I uh platform to help someone through

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their math progression to enter into

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our programs ? Slide , please . Uh

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Also other things we're trying to do is

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maintain relevance to our , our , our

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force . Uh We do that by speaking with

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the force . Uh And , and I guess here

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the best uh point would be what are the

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right questions to ask , what programs

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do we need to bring online uh to best

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serve the Navy Marine Corps and , and

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the Coast Guard . Uh We , we do site

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visits . Uh we're available for that ,

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but we're continually aligning our

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programs with uh force requirements and

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slide . And then uh one of our , one of

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our aspirational future plans and uh

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you can see what we're working right

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now . Uh We believe that these are

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gonna be a high impact programs uh as

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we work with uh emerging technology .

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Uh My feel what I did prior to this was

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work in emerging warfare and a regular

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warfare and help run Capstone research

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projects for uh US socom . And uh how

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are we using that technology ? How is ,

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how is our changing nature of uh uh

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strategy uh gonna best be served by our

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educational program ? So you can see uh

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where we're headed and if there's any

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questions on that in the question and

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answer period , we're , we're happy to

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field that . All right . Thank you

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all , gentlemen , very much . So , do

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we have any questions from the

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in-person audience here ?

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I'm , I'm actually , since we have an

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online audience , I'm actually gonna

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bring you the mic . So , hi . Uh Thanks

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for your , your talk . Um I'm

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interested in , in knowing you have

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these external partners that deliver um

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education . Are they using the same L

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MS or how do you try to kind of ease

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the transition from kind of internally

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developed courses to these external

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partners . Yeah , that's , that's a

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great question and the answer is no ,

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every , every single school has their

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own uh L MS some do use blackboard ,

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but we get lots of them on canvas . Um

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So one of the things that we do for the

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students uh in each program is a two

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phase orientation . Uh Every student

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goes through the Naval Community

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college orientation to learn our

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systems and understand how we do things .

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And we have uh on board , uh student

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success coaches who help them through

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the process of working with , with our

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faculty in our courses . But then they

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also go through a second phase

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orientation at the partner university

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where you get the same training uh with

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the student success team from that uh

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college or university . So they learn

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the L MS and the methods and processes

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they use for , for dealing with issues .

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But it is , it is a challenge if I'm a

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student . Uh if I'm taking a Naval

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studies course this semester . And the

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next term I'm , I'm at a su taking my

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uh military studies class . I have to

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remember , oh , I'm on a different L MS

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because they of course on a different

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one . So that's something that , that

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we know is a problem . Uh down the road ,

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we might , we might uh try and work

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with partners to , to make their

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courses similar to us . But it's really

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hard because uh they're also all under

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different accreditation regimes . And

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so we , we don't want to mess with that

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because that , that makes everyone

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insane . So what we try to do is focus

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really hard in orientation to help the

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student know I'm ok . I'm gonna have to

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shift and play a slightly different

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game when I go to my partner school .

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Uh One of the things we've actually had

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from the students is is they go from

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department to department in some of

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their partner institutions , they see

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more change than necessarily uh the

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progression through our courses .

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Knowing that the students have that

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difficulty . We've tried to align the

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structure of our courses as much as

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possible to make sure that when they do

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come back to us , they have a common

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experience in uh common expectation .

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So we , we try to mitigate that by

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uh luckily , we've built everything

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sort of at once and we're able to , to

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do that in conjunction where we have

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our stuff is aligned as much as

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possible and even going uh you know ,

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from partner like one department to

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another department , they're seeing

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more , more flux than necessarily

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coming through us and going through

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strength . Thank you . Other questions ,

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sir .

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Sorry . Um I was just um going back to

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your last slide with kind of the future

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things that you were looking at . Are

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you looking at changing any of the

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modalities of the teaching ? Because

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with playing ethics and with history ,

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with more of the semantic knowledge ,

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the assessments of the writing seems

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yeah , really straightforward and , and

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great . But with some of the more

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practical like software engineering and

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electrical engineering and those

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procedural skills that may be tougher

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through just the writing assessments as ,

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as opposed to hands on .

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So 11 thing that , that we focus on is

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um we are not necessarily within

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the uh the concentration areas . So

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if you are working on cyber , as

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opposed to say , organizational

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leadership or logistics or even

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military studies , uh those skill sets

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are contained within partner

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institutions , we're not gonna grow a

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nuclear engineering department . But ,

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but as , but as far as the our courses ,

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regardless of the skill set , we

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want the students to be able to apply

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that . And so that's why we believe

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that the emphasis on writing is

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important because it's the the for us

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to get into the application . What how

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is my skill relevant ? Um

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when I actually apply it ? And I think

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the one thing that we , we can safely

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say is uh coms are going to be less

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stable units are going to be further

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apart and weapons are going to have

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further reach . And that means we need

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to prepare enlisted service members to

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be able to think about things in ways

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that they had not prior . So that's

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what we try to do , at least from the

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naval studies uh certificate

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perspective and to add to that uh our

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institutional research team uh works

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assessments jointly with our partners

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for the concentration courses . And as ,

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as we bring a new course on or a new

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program online , I work with the , the

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academic leadership at the partner to

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they take our draft uh program outcomes

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for that specific uh ma uh uh degree .

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Uh and we work them together and edit

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them to so that they align and then

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they assess using , they assess their

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courses that they do for us as part of

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their general assessment . And then

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they share their data with our IR team

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so that we can track and make sure that

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our program outcomes are happening in

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the concentration courses as well . So

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it's messy . So we're , we're very

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fortunate that we have a great ir team

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who can keep track of , you know , the

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eight other assessment regimes that our

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partners use and maybe to follow up on

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the finish up on that question is uh

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when we're looking at our

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certifications and possibly our non

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agreed non program uh licensing

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certifications uh using our platforms

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like that digital university we spoke

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of , I can do , I can run a virtual lab

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um and then build teach to competency

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and then we can assess that competency .

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So I think that's one area where we're

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gonna use that in these types of skills .

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We have one more question up here . Uh

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Yes , she said you're three years old .

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So I'm assuming whether the directive

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was you're gonna be created because of

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the pandemic and distance learning or

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is sort of coincidental ? Either way

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the question really is , um , you're

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now getting the junior sailors corpsman ,

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all the , or the Corps and Marines and

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all that stuff , um , the

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educational gap that they received from

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high school or , and , and then , you

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know , you're as , as the future goes

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along from middle school . Um , do you

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perceive that as one of the really

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large hurdles and this writing gap ,

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this all the , all the other gaps ? And

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are you sort of forecasting that it

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could get worse before it gets better ?

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Yeah . Ok . So first off , it was

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coincidental because the , the Navy ,

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the Department of the Navy was already

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working on building something like the

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US NCC and the , and the just the

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timing of , of getting the , the

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charter correct . And all of that , we ,

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we launched about simultaneous with

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COVID hitting . Um We were fortunate

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that we were , we were envisioned from

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the start as an all online exercise .

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So the fact that COVID required

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everyone to go online was no big deal

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for us because we were already thinking

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that way . But I think that is one of

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the things that , that , that we , uh

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as , as we talked about a little early

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that we saw is that especially with

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writing , there's a , there's a big

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difference between student who starts

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with us having had some kind of college

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level composition class and student who ,

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who hasn't , or maybe a senior NCO who

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hasn't gone to school who comes back .

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And the last time I took any class ,

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like this was eight or 10 or 15 years

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ago . And I've , I've of course

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forgotten everything , um , that

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familiarity with what the expectations

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are for college level writing makes you

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better at all the other courses that ,

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that we teach because , you know ,

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we're not doing technical stuff . Um

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And I expect to see the exact same

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thing with math readiness if and when

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we start teaching more technical

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courses , that same kind of gap is

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gonna happen . So for us , we think ,

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take the composition course , then take

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our courses . Why ? Because that primes

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you to be able to think and express

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yourself in the way that we need , we

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need you to , to be successful in the

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class . Um But one of the things that

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our partners do , especially the ones

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that do the more technical degrees uh

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for us is that they have uh placement

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testing that , that they offer as a

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voluntary uh opportunity for students

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coming in . So maybe , you know , we ,

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we do nuclear engineering technology

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and maybe you just finished new school

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and you're , you remember all this

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stuff so you can jump right into

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calculus because you remember all that

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stuff . Oh , maybe you went through

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that program two years ago and you're

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maybe a little bit rusty on what , what

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the hex a quadratic equation . Again ,

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you may wanna take the precalculus or

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the , the calculus one instead of

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jumping into Calc two . and so that's

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something that we're , we're noticing .

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And I think that's something that we'll

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watch over the next several years , is ,

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is , are the students that are coming

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out of high school now more prepared to

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do this stuff than they were a few

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years ago ? Or are they worse ? And

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we'll , you know , because we track

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this stuff every single term we'll

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adjust as necessary to , to be able to ,

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you know , to make sure that , that the

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students are primed to be successful in

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our courses and everywhere we can help

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that they jump into their partner

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program the same way that we're doing

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what we can do to make sure they're

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ready to , to take courses at the level

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they're gonna be taking them at .

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So my question revolves around kind of

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what CCAF does when someone completes

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their M OS school or a FSD school , um ,

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coming from the Marine Corps and then

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getting out and having AJ ST that was

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full of classes that had no relevance

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or basically credit worth when I got

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out . Is there any future thought of

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kind of going to all these courses that

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the services have that already have

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curriculum and evaluating them for

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credit that a service member could then

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use when they get out .

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So there's , there's two challenges .

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We have one is until we reach candidate

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status , we have to depend on the uh

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valuation systems of the partner

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institutions . So we don't necessarily

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own that aspect of credit evaluation

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because it's not our name on the

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diploma yet . When it is our name on

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the diploma and we're transferring

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partner credit into us instead of vice

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versa , then we have the opportunity to

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look at uh that credit maybe uh

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more closely uh than our partner

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institutions . One because we

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understand it a little bit better . And

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two because we don't make any extra

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money if the student has to take more

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courses . But uh the other challenge to

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that is , is the credit on the

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JST applicable to the degree program .

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So if you have lots of credit in one

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area and you want to study something

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else , it's a challenge regardless of

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how I don't wanna say generous . But

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how much the , the uh institution

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evaluating the credit has what I would

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like to do and what we're , what we're

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at least attempting to do is work

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within say , uh , you know , Marine

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Corps PM E and say , look if , if you

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change this outcome on these three

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words , we hit 60% of ac lo match and

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then that credit transfers in , that's

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something we're trying to do is to see

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if there's an area where we can find

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alignment and prevent a student from

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having to take uh a course because ,

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you know , we were off a couple of

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words on a , on a course learning

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outcome . That's something I think we

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can work to do as much as possible . So

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it's , it's not always gonna be perfect ,

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but to your point , it's something that

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we should work at . Yeah . And just to

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emphasize that one of the things , an

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ongoing project that Russ is leading

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for us with our registrar team is to

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look at all of the , the , the , the

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trainings that you know , the sequence

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I go through and through the enlisted

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academy and , and that progression as ,

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as you , you rise and rank , where are

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there places where we're close , we're

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talking about similar things so that we

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can look and see . Uh maybe if you've

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gone through this course , you don't

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have to take N A 101 , we'll give you

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credit for it because you've already

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accomplished those , those learning

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objectives . And one of the things that ,

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that our senior enlisted advisor is

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doing is talking directly to the

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schools in the Navy and the Marine

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Corps to see what they're doing and

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where the gaps are so that we , we

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don't accidentally recreate educational

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opportunities that are already in the

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system . And so that we , we want over

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time and we figured this is a couple

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years worth of project because this is

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a big , this is a very big lift

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intellectually over time . We want to

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align the , the programs that we offer

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with the training that sailors ,

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marines and coast guardsmen already go

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through so that we hit gaps that they

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cannot get in , in their training cycle .

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So that we , what we're doing is

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completely enhancing the , the regular

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training cycle , education cycle they

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go through . And so that , so that not

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only so we , we give credit for things

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you've already done , but that we , we ,

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our , our programs are structured so

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that you would never have to redo

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something that , that we know , we know

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exactly what you went through . So

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we're teaching stuff that doesn't

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happen there and that the academy , the

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enlisted academy and et cetera , et

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cetera know what we're up to . So they

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don't replicate something that we're

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gonna give their , give our students

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anyway . And if they say , hey ,

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everyone has to have this , well , you

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should probably do it because we're

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probably not gonna teach everybody .

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But if this is , hey , this is

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something we're not very good at NCC

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will take off , take that on for you

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and we're , we're tom and the , the

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senior enlisted advisor are in constant

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contact with all of the , the

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communities in the Navy and the Marine

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Corps starting to figure that stuff out .

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So so that we can do maximum credit for

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you as you come in . And so that , that

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we are minimizing the overlap so that

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everything is new , whether you took it

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in the enlisted academy or in , in your

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a school or with us . So , that you're

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not rep , you know , you're not having

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to repeat the steps . I wanted to

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invite some of the online questions

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here . I have two questions ,

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both from Commander Paul Nichol . The

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first one says , what about NPSS Sakai ?

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It would seem con content could be

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accessed . And I think D A US model is

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good too .

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Yeah . One of , one of the uh one of

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the other things that we do is work

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very closely with the other schools and

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Naval University system to understand

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what they offer , uh , what they have

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done in the past because that's exactly

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the thing we want to do . If someone

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else has already built this , we're not

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going to re invent the wheel . We will

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figure out how to incorporate it into ,

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into what we're doing uh , or use it as

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a model to , to expand into something .

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Hey , that's a good way to do it , but

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it's not quite what we want . We'll

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take your model and build on it . So

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we've been , uh , we've been in long

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conversations already with both MP S

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and the Naval War College about

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programs that they run that we see as ,

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uh as really good models or as sources

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for , for material so that we don't

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have to replicate those things and ,

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and we'll take that other one da I ,

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yeah , we , we , we will gladly steal

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great ideas from anyone who's willing

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to show them to us . Uh The second one ,

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same person says E four S report was

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2018 . The idea for NCC to have

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concentration areas based on what I've

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heard . The idea is now to get folks

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under folks those undergrad entry

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courses develop relationships with

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academic institutions that will accept

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the credits received . Yeah , one of

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the , one of the uh absolute

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requirements in every partner agreement

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that we build with these other schools

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is that number one , you have to accept

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our naval courses in transfer . So they ,

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they go through their general ed

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requirements and align our courses to

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specific things in there . Uh Four of

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them always very easy . The Naval Force

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design , one gives everyone a headache

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because they don't quite know what to

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do with it . So we , we always find

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something . Sometimes it's just you

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lose an elective uh and , and force

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design will cover in , but you're gonna

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take those 15 credits . So coming in ,

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you're gonna take those 15 credits and

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then going out , you have to provide us

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as part of your academic plan , at

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least one fully transferable

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pathway into a four year program . So

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the idea behind all of this is we're

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setting up no matter what you major in

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to get your associate's degree through

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NCC . You are set up for instant

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success , transferring into a

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Bachelor's program , the Navy uh pays

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for this . So you're not using any of

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your val or T A or G I Bill or any

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other thing out there . Which means you

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can use that to proceed into your

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bachelor's degree . If you're in one of

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those things where a master's degree is

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a thing you really want , you're still

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gonna have some money left over to jump

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into a master's program . And that's 11

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of our , one of our missions is setting

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you as our student up for success as a

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lifelong learner . And so that transfer

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pathway is an absolutely nonnegotiable

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part of every one of our partner

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agreements . All right . Unfortunately ,

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we are at the end of our hour . So I

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wanted to do two things in conclusion .

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Uh First , I wanted to give a round of

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applause for our panel members here for

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an excellent conversation again . Thank

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you all again . Secondly , I wanted to

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pass the mic to the conference director

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here . Doctor Laura mckenzie has a very

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important announcement for everybody .

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Thanks doctor , thanks everyone . Um

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Just for those of you who are here .

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Could I please um request your

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attendance at our evening reception ?

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Uh We have some wonderful homemade

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appetizers , desserts and drinks from a

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local caterer in Spotsylvania . It's

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just downstairs below us in the Warner

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balcony lounge . So uh below us on the

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second floor , you can take the stairs

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here or the elevator . Uh We would love

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to have you very informal , no

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announcements , no speakers , just

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collaboration , community , all the

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things that we're here to do . Um

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Secondly , just a heads up . Uh We

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worked pretty hard to get Command and

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Staff college a study day today . So

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you saw about 200 fewer carss um , in

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our parking garage . So there's still

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plenty of parking for you tomorrow .

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Just be away that parking . You may

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have to go up to the third or top deck

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just because we'll have um , all of our

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students back tomorrow , which is great .

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You'll really get to see MC U and all

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of its glory with all of its great

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students in the hallways in the um you

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know , around the campus . But thanks

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so much for being with us today . I

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can't wait to see you downstairs if

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you're not able to make it downstairs

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tomorrow at nine . Right back here for

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our next keynote on uh creative

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thinking and creative problem solving .

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Thanks so much , everyone .