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Good morning and welcome to Marine

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Corps University . Uh My name is Lauren

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Mackenzie and on behalf of my fellow uh

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faculty , staff and leadership here at

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Quantico . Uh We wanna extend the

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warmest welcome . Thank you so much for

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joining us for this fourth annual

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Military Scholarship of teaching and

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learning forum . Uh So if you'll permit

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me , um just five minutes or less . Yes ,

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just to kind of set the stage for this

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event . I wanna just say a couple

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things about the history , about the

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folks who have um contributed so

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greatly to this event . Um And then I

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wanna just make a couple of

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administrative and logistical remarks

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before I turn it over to our , our

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Provost Doctor Becky Johnson and then

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to our MC U President , Brigadier

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General Maura Hennigan . Um So back in

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2019 , um a small group of PM E

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educators from around the country in

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Canada , gathered at the um inter

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university seminar on armed forces and

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society . Many of you know , it as I US

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in Reston , Virginia , this again was

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in 2019 . And our goal was to come

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together to think about how we can

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better collaborate as military

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educators um to form what was then

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called the PM E Faculty Consortium . Uh

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This was the brainchild of our very

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forward thinking director of

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Institutional Research and Assessment .

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Doctor Susan Johnston . I know I saw

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her . Is she here ? Uh Susan ? Hey ,

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thank you so much , Susan . Yeah , this

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is , yeah , you're , you're wonderful ,

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welcome back . Um She had this idea to

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write into our MC U strategic plan to

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create a community of educators

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dedicated to collaborate . Um not just

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in our areas of academic background ,

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right ? We all have military historian

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backgrounds here , political science

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backgrounds . We all gather regularly

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for those kind of events , but this was

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designed to be an event devoted to um

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the science of teaching and which is

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just uh really exciting and relatively

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new field . Um And so Doctor Megan

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Hennessy , who at the time was at the

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Army War College in Carlisle . She

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didn't just uh like me think about this

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idea . She put it into action and she

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organized the very first scholarship of

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teaching and learning forum at the Army

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War College . You guessed it it was to

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be in a spring of 2020 . So , you know

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what happened then ? Uh we of course

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went virtual um had great attendance .

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However , she then took this amazing

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event with her when she went down to

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the Air University Teaching and

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Learning Center and offered two MOO

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forums virtually um down in Montgomery ,

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Alabama . And we're so grateful to you

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me for all your energy and leadership

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on this . So today we come together for

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the first time as a hybrid event . We

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have um about 100 and 50 folks uh

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registered for in person , several 100

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more virtually . Uh We're thrilled with

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the numbers . Um And we just wanted to

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give you a sense of the history of this

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event , which again , we're just uh so

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thrilled to welcome folks from all over

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the place uh to our , our small

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university here in Quantico . Um So ,

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just to give you a sense of the theme

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of this event , we've had different

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themes over the years . Uh We really

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wanted to focus again , post COVID on

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this idea of creating and creative

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learning communities . And so , what

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you'll hear um in a few short minutes

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from our keynote , Doctor Liz Cavallaro

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is this idea of unboxing our roles as

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educators . Again , to focus on this

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idea of community . And tomorrow , our

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keynote speaker , Doctor Gerard Puccio

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from Buffalo State will talk about his

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area of expertise , which is uh

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creative thinking and how diverse teams

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can work together uh to create some

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awesome innovative ideas in teaching

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strategies . So we're thrilled to have

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them . And again , you know , this idea

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of collaboration , creativity in

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community uh works so well and we can

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all be here together . Um I don't know

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if you've heard this definition uh

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before , but I've heard uh the word

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passion defined as the intersection of

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overlapping , um , curiosities . And so

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I hope as you took a second to look at

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our program today , uh You saw some

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areas that you may have some great

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curiosity . I know I did . We have

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panels devoted to A I uh to war gaming ,

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to women , peace and security to the

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learning sciences . Uh And we hope that

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we can intersect and overlap those

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areas to bring back to our classrooms .

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Um And , and really just inform our

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teaching competencies . That's what

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we're all about . So again , we're just

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thrilled to have you here today . Let

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me just say a couple of administrative

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remarks before I turn it over to Doctor

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Johnson , our provost . Uh so first and

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foremost , just the spaces , uh we will

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have three concurrent panels . The in

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person panels will be here in lecture

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hall , one and right behind you in

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lecture hall three across the hall , we

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will have our virtual panels . Of

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course , you're welcome to sit in .

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There's plenty of space , but those

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presenters will be streamed in online .

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We have bathrooms and water at the

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corners of this third floor . And for

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those of you who ordered lunch from our

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great local bakery bread . Me , we have

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them deliver those lunches just below

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us on the second floor , our Warner

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balcony lounge , and that's where we'll

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have lunch from 1230 to 130 . Um And

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our evening reception so generously

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provided by the MC UF Foundation and

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it's a wonderful , um , menu of , of

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hot hors d'oeuvres drinks and desserts .

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So we really hope you'll stay to join

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us from 1600 to 1700 on the floor just

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below . Uh , so that is just a little

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bit of our administrative remarks . I'm

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just wanting to make sure I have , um ,

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captured everything . Um , I think

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that's about all I had to say . Um , so

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if you'll permit me now to introduce ,

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it's , it's a great time to be an

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educator at MC U . We have an awesome

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leadership team like I said , we have

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the newly hired Doctor Megan Hennessy

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is our director of academic support .

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We have our wonderful provost , Doctor

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Rebecca Johnson and of course , our ,

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our fearless leader at the helm , uh

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Brigadier General Mara Hennigan who

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will uh say a few words here in just a

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second . But if you'll uh now we help

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me welcome Doctor Johnson to the floor

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just to give another warm welcome .

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Thanks , Doctor Johnson . Thank you

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Lauren . As Doctor mckenzie mentioned ,

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I'm Becky Johnson , a provost here at

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Marine Corps University . Uh And it is

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my delight to welcome all of you to the

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military scholarship of teaching and

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learning forum . We take teaching

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pretty seriously here at MC U . It is

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our bread and butter . We like to think

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that we are good scholars and

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practitioners of military arts and

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sciences , but we have 70,000 students

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at MC U coming through our programs in

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any given year and without excellence

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in teaching and learning , we're doing

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a disservice to those individuals .

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Certainly , here we are . It's Pearl

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Harbor Day . I think uh we are entering

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a period where we recognize the

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importance of exceptional war fighting

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training plays a key role in that . But

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so does education . And so we are

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beyond delighted to be partnering with

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Air University today to bring I Sole in

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this hybrid forum . With that delight

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comes a good bit of gratitude . So I

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would like to say first , my hearty and

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sincere thank you to these ladies here

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to Doctor mckenzie uh and Doctor

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Hennessy Lauren did a great job of

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telling the history of Im Sole and

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Doctor Johnson . It's so good to see

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you uh back uh out on the MC U campus .

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We wouldn't be here all of the

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educators , the US , educators as well

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as our international partners who are

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here today to talk about honing the

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craft of teaching if it weren't for the

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hard work that you two have done . So

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thank you so much for that . Pulling

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off a conference of this size uh and

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magnitude and complexity takes a lot of

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other work . So to all of you who were

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serving as panel chairs for all of you

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who served as proposal reviewers uh to

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all the education officers who were

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here uh doing the do to like actually

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pull off the logistics of the

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conference . Thank you so much . To Air

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University . Thank you for hosting the

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online portion of the events of the

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next two days and certainly to the

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Marine Corps University Foundation .

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Thank you for the snacks . Thank you

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for the caffeine to get us through the

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afternoon , morning and afternoon

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sessions . Uh And thank you for the

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reception that they're hosting later

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this afternoon in the balcony lounge .

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I also got to say I'm pretty grateful

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that I get to introduce my boss because

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she's pretty cool . I'm not gonna tell

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you everything that she has done in the

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Marine Corps because she'll start

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walking on here to shut me down and I

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don't want that . But what I will say

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that the few key points commissioned

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into the Marine Corps in June of 2024

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star major do the math . Her 30th

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anniversary in service comes up in

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about six months time . Not that we

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might want to recognize that in some

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way . I don't know . Yeah , mental note .

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She is a logistic by trade and she has

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served and commanded in both the

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operating forces and the supporting

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establishment . General Hennigan comes

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to us from the Office of Legislative

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Affairs Marine Corps , um cares just a

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tiny , little bit about maintaining

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positive relationships with Congress .

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And so when you see ol a on someone's

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resume that tells you the Marine Corps

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thinks they're pretty solid or they

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wouldn't trust them to interact with

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members of Congress General Hennigan

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has served at OL a not once but twice

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and there is always the possibility of

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her going back at some point in the

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future . So that , that should tell you

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really all you need to know about the

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caliber of the individual we have

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leading MC U . We are so incredibly

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fortunate to have her passion for

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education . Her love of learning , her

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commitment to educating both the

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officer and enlisted force , not just

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in resident but in blended and distance

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formats . She has brought a real

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prioritization to the nuts and bolts of

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teaching in her 18 months here at the

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university . Uh that we are , we are

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definitely in a better position uh

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because of her leadership . So with

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that , I'm gonna turn it over to her .

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I tried to embarrass you a little bit .

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Um But general Hennigan , the floor is

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yours . Thank you so much for staying

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with us today .

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I'm actually gonna start and frame

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these because these are my notes and

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things that I'm gonna say . And pretty

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much I , if I had a checkmark , you'd

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see a check mark next to everything

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that I wanted to say because they've

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already said it . So with that , um

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never such a daunting position to be fo

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or to follow two incredible , amazing

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um really faculty individuals across

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the board . And I say that because

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obviously , um what you don't know is

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Doctor Johnson also was a faculty

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member here as well . Um So I get to

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follow the faculty , I get to speak to

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the faculty , but better yet , I'm in

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front of professional speakers . So

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little bit , you know , on , on , on

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edge right now . So , but I will try my

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best . I think the biggest thing I can

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say and , and you've heard it already ,

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um it talks to community and I think if

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you look around this room right now ,

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um you see a very different community

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and I'm a big fan of , you know ,

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whether you call it a village or a

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community , it takes a village to raise

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a family , it takes a community to

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build professionals . And so truly , I

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have to , you know , admire and really

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give such an acknowledgment to the

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individuals that are here today that

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are listening online that are gonna

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check in later because they weren't

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able to make it suddenly because really ,

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you're what makes a difference in

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education . Um I had a great

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opportunity this past weekend sitting

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down with someone um and realized that

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we went to the same college , we were

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separated by two years and we started

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going through our faculty members and

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we called off every single person who

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worked in Political Science at Mary

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Washington in 1993 .

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That's the kind of impression that you

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make . That's the kind of community

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that you build . You take individuals

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that look like me who don't have a

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background in education , who have not

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gone through the , the education that

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you have gone through and bring us

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along and teach us how to get there

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and teach us how to be part of your

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community , how to be professional .

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Most importantly , how to share that

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knowledge with all of that ,

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that , you know , large neighborhood of

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individuals who are gonna make a

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difference in the future . Um Our world

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is a very , very , you know , clear cut

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world . Sometimes we know what we're

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supposed to do . We go out , we do it ,

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we get orders that tell us how to do it .

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But once we get there , that's where

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the gray starts . And so you fill

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in that gray for us , you teach us

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how to be critical thinkers , you teach

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us how to think , better , think

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faster and think to win . But what we

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recognize and really , it's through the

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guidance of my faculty is , hey ,

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there's got to be a growing side on our ,

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our , our behalf as well . The

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professional development is absolutely

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critical to where we're going and what

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we're going to do . And so we are ever

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aware of making sure that we are

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developing new methods , new

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technologies or at least providing you

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a venue like this forum to consider

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where we're going in the future . And

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so I think it's ever important and ,

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and I know there's a list of topics and

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the one I think that immediately

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bounced out to me because I spent an

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entire weekend talking about technology .

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Um and where we're going with that and

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how that's going to impact the future

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students , but more importantly , the

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future faculty . I mean , that was an

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absolutely incredible door that I saw

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opened over the weekend . And so I

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think it's gonna be an , an impressive

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way forward . I'm joined today and

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actually I , I get to listen to uh two

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individuals that are gonna come and

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talk to you um leadership coach coming

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out of the Naval War College , sister

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uh Sister Academy for us . Um Dr Liz

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Cavallero who will come in and talk to

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us about where we can go as leaders and

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you are ever a leader as much as we are .

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And so again , I thank you for your

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leadership in the classroom , but more

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importantly for many of our students ,

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your leadership in life because like I

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said , whether it goes back to the 1993

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and where my faculty and ironically , I

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had two different professors , one that

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said , oh , I can easily see you in the

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Marine Corps . And the other one looked

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at me and said Marine Corps , really ?

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So that's been pretty much my way

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throughout the entire time . And so I

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have , I have truly benefited not just

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by those individuals , but by pretty

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much every teacher who I've ever had

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the honor of knowing . So again , I

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thank you . We've got presenters here

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today that are coming from across the

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world . We have presenters uh from

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France and Sweden . Sorry . I was

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putting , putting Belgian in there ,

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maybe I have coffee or chocolate on the

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mind . Um But both from France and

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Sweden . So I thank you very much . We

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have presenters that have come from

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across the country and individuals who

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are logging in and being a part of the

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this organization today , this forum

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today to provide a better path forward .

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So once again , I will stop there as

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well and say thank you . Thank you for

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your participation . Thank you for the

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honest and hard work . My staff .

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Absolutely amazing . I I add my

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accolades to that and really appreciate

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everything that really goes on in this

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world and thank you so much for your

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dedication . So , with that , I believe

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Lauren , I go right back to you . Thank

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you so much . Thanks General Hennigan .

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OK . So now I have the distinct

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pleasure of welcoming our first keynote

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speaker , Doctor Liz Cavallero . Come

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on up . Um I know you all um had a

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moment to review the program . You saw

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her bio . She is an extremely

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impressive um associate professor of

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leader development at the Naval War

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College in Newport Rhode Island . She

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is an executive coach , has all kinds

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of background in teaching , coaching ,

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um and cognitive development . Um One

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lesser known fact that you may not know

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about her that you can't find in the

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program is that she is an avid pitbull

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lover and owner and she has volunteered

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at uh the most , well , known pit bull

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rescue organization um in the country

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in New Orleans . Uh So she is a not

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only a wonderful educator and coach but

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also wonderful human . So , Liz ,

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thanks so much for being with us . Uh

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The floor is yours . Thank you so

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much , Lauren . And thank you to all of

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the warm welcomes this morning . Good

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morning . This

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morning , I ask you to join me in

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creating a meaningful learning

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community . First here at this forum

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and second , when you go back to your

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own team to do that , let's start with

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a shared belief that aligns us across

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our many disparate organizations ,

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roles and disciplines . The belief that

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there is in fact a military scholarship

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of teaching and learning . The title of

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this event is the idea that connects us

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and your participation is your

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alignment with that idea . If there is

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in fact a discipline called military

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scholarship of teaching and learning ,

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what then is the identity of a military

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educator ? How do we define that role ?

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How do we collaborate and what

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limitations do we face ? I'd like to

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offer a framework to help answer those

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questions and to do that . I'm going to

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share what I've learned about

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collaboration in my journey as a

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military educator . And I'll ask you to

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reflect on what you've learned . I

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came into military education eight

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years ago from civilian academia with

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no military background . Understanding

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how to bring my area of expertise to

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light was important to ensure I could

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contribute . Perhaps even more

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important was finding my role on my

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team and building expertise through

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collaboration . The people who hired me

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explained that my role was to leverage

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my outsider status . One colleague

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referred to me as unexpected and

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unassuming . I could ask those stupid

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questions that it turns out aren't all

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that stupid and maybe need to be asked

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questions like but why have you always

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done it that way ? I see some head nods .

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We like this question . We know it's

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useful , but you ever notice how we

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like it a lot better when it's asked of

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someone else , we tend to be less

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thrilled when it's asked of us . So how

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you ask it and the relationship between ,

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ask her and ask e matters , asking

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someone to challenge their own

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assumptions , requires trust and

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rapport . Perhaps more importantly , it

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requires positive intention . The Asi

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must believe I have their best interest

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at heart asking those questions

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required me to think about my

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relationship with my teammates . This

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felt particularly daunting with my

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military colleagues , people . I felt

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so different from yet our work together

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gave me a transformative experience .

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They taught me how to be a military

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educator . This story is about them

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at the Naval War College . We often

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pair civilian academics with military

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practitioners as our collaboration

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model , my team began at that point but

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eventually evolved to deeper levels of

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collaboration . We went beyond a basic

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pairing to a partnership and

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eventually to a practicing community .

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I'll share how we learned this and ask

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you to think about how it might apply

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to your work . The nature of your

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collaborations might occur at any level .

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You might conduct research , write

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curriculum , build lesson plans or do

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classroom teaching in teams . Your

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pairings might be military , civilian

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scholar practitioner or two distinct

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disciplines like military history and

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social science . You might be working

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across services or with one of our

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international partners here today . But

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in any of these collaborations , you

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bring expertise , professional

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background , past experience and other

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factors that frame your identity and

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role . We each bring our own

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assumptions and maybe even biases both

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about ourselves and what we're here to

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do and about others . As I walk through

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this framework , I'll ask you to

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reflect on that . How do you define

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your role , others roles ,

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collaboration . Over the

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past six years , my team has created a

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new leader development course . It's a

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comprehensive course with lofty

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development goals for our students . So

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it required substantial diversity of

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expertise to create effective

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collaboration was absolutely essential

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to get it right . My team began with

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our standard assumption that the

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military civilian team makes sense in

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teaching leadership in military

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education . We accomplished this

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through the first level of

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collaboration pairing . One of my first

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pairings was working with a military

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colleague who was working with me to

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build a lesson plan on a theory that is

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within my area of expertise . So this

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is a theory of adult development that

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identifies different stages we can

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evolve through in our thinking . It

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shows how we can become increasingly

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more sophisticated in how we make sense

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of the world . For leaders . Ideally ,

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as their thinking becomes more complex ,

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it better aligns with the complexity of

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the context they're leading in allowing

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them to be more effective in a VCA

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environment . Fittingly , this theory

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is known as mental complexity as we

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built a lesson on mental complexity .

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For our course , my military colleague

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identified real world examples of each

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stage as an instructor pilot , he had

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closely observed not only his own

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bosses but many other leaders of

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various ranks . He created parallels

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between each stage of complexity and

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types of leaders and the specific

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behaviors they use with their teams .

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His examples were immensely useful in

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helping students apply the theory . He

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even wrote an article on the topic

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which we still use as required reading

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for that course ,

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in our pairings , our roles are

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established based on background or

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expertise , we each bring our

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own area into the work . So in the

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example of the civilian academic and

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the military practitioner , the

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academic does theory , the practitioner

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does practical application . The

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academic brings deep scholarly

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expertise on the theory . They help the

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students understand the research and

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literature . The practitioner brings

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related experience and the ability to

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translate . They identify real world

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examples that provide applicability and

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relevance to the students in a

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classroom . This might look like a hand

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off or a tag team approach in

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curriculum development . This might

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mean that the academic selects the

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theories to be taught and the

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practitioner selects the concrete

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examples to be used in education . It's

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often taken for granted that our

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pairings are based on the distinctions

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in our roles . We each bring our own

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expertise to create more comprehensive

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material for the students . There's a

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conventional wisdom of why we're paired ,

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there will be a certain dynamic between

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us and when you put our pieces together ,

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we create a better product . So we ask ,

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what pieces of this work are my

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responsibility ? What am I best suited

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for ? What are the other people

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supposed to do ? And while that

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conventional wisdom makes sense , those

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questions might also put us in a box ,

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it might limit our scope of

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possibilities , limit the things we're

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willing to track . It could stifle

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creativity . I experienced a successful

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outcome of pairing because I had such

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an awesome teammate . But that work

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also opened the door to deeper

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collaborations at level two partnership .

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Once mental complexity had become a

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core part of our curriculum , we

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started building not just lessons but

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whole courses around the concept . I

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was fortunate to be partnered with a

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colleague who was deeply thoughtful

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about his past experiences . He had

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flown in combat , commanded a

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leadership school and been a base CEO .

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He was able to tell stories from each

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of those jobs that illustrated his own

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thinking at each stage of complexity .

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He also recounted the environmental

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catalysts in each job that prompted him

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to move from one stage to the next .

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This ensured not only that students

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could recognize the distinctions

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amongst stages , but also to understand

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the why through real lived experience

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hearing actual leadership outcomes for

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the person sitting right in front of

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them , they could understand why this

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theory matters . As we deepen our

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collaborations , we can evolve to

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partnership in the example of the

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academic and practitioner , we might

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build the curriculum together as

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opposed to presenting a theory and

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following it up with an example , a

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real world illustration of a theory

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might be presented as a case study .

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The story illuminates the essence of

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the theory in a classroom . The

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partners might present the content and

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facilitate the discussion together or

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either partner could be presenting it

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on their own without a loss of fidelity

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on the other person's content in

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preparation for today . I chatted with

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several of my military colleagues . One

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of them shared with me how his view of

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his own role shifted from that of

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providing examples based in his

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experiences to that of a warrior

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scholar . It was not enough just to

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provide examples , but rather to weave

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a narrative of military experience that

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brings the theory to life . The key

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ideas arise as the lessons of his

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stories versus the story simply being

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offered as an example of the theory ,

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this work allows us to deepen these

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partnerships at the level that creates

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these kinds of dynamics . We weave

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these stories and evolve through

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together . What are some of the

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messages you've received about what

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your role is supposed to be through my

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collaborations ? I got to redefine my

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role . I learned new questions to ask

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that elicit the right examples that

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bring the theories to life . I began to

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understand my content through military

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perspectives and my colleagues began to

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really embrace the scholarship . This

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allowed us to glimpse a third level

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practicing community . The

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inspiration for this keynote was a day

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last year when I first became aware of

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this practicing community and

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recognized it in action . I was

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participating in a workshop to prepare

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all of the instructors who teach mental

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complexity . In our course . I was

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going to give a lecture to the students

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and we were trying to identify the best

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concrete example for me to provide a

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few folks shared examples . They had

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used , I was furiously taking notes

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trying to make sure I captured each

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example and wondering which one to

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choose . That's when one of our

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colleagues asked the question that got

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us to examine our own assumptions . He

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asked , why are we trying to come up

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with the one perfect shining example

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for Liz to use when we can each use our

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own . His question got everyone to

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think about what the theory meant to

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them . I saw a shift in our energy

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where each person started taking

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ownership of the theory . They started

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rebuilding it . It wasn't my thing

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anymore . It was ours . We became a

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practicing community . At the end of

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that workshop , our course director

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asked the group how they would make the

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connection between the mental

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complexity lesson and all of the other

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lessons . One of the military faculty

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members said it connects to everything .

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There's nothing it doesn't touch . I

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asked him about this recently and he

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shared his why he said

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in the profession of arms , we must

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have a desire to better understand our

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own experiences . We have to ask

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ourselves , why am I here ? The

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profession gets better because it

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evolves . This means a willingness to

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acknowledge and explore our own

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assumptions and a recognition that

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thinking is our job .

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What we had accomplished was making the

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theory not just a topic in our

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leadership curriculum , but rather the

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essence of the curriculum itself ,

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helping all of us and our students

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better understand the very development

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we're seeking . That's what working as

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a community allowed us to do . For me

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personally , I had finally found my

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contribution , but it wasn't mine at

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all . It was ours . My

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military teammates have absolutely

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transformed . Not only the way I think

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about my role and their role , but also

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my own area of expertise . The thing I

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presumably was hired to deliver my

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understanding and therefore my ability

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to make it applicable to our students

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has been substantially transformed by

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our practicing community . This

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has allowed me to enter into a new

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conception of how we approach our work

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together . As a community

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through shared practice , we alter our

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understanding and create new ways to

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teach . In the example of the academic

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and practitioner . We might deeply

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explore the theories together and as a

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community rebuild and relearn the ideas

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together the practitioner through the

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theory unpacks their own past

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experience and rebuilds it with a new

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perspective and deeper understanding

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the academic through a deeper

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understanding of the military lived

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experience comes to re conceptualize

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the theory itself together . We take

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the theory apart and reshape it into

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our own , relevant to our work and our

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students . So what might this look like

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in your work unboxing our roles

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provides us an opportunity not to turn

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away from the things we're already good

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at . But we rather to create a broader

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space to find new possibilities for the

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many different things we might have to

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offer both those within our expertise

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as well as those that might yet still

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be discovered . So with that idea , how

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can you expand your perception of your

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own role and others roles ?

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You know , I do feel a bit silly

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standing up here and admitting that

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this came as a surprise to me , I

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became aware of these levels of

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collaboration by having an awesome team

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and you all may be sitting there

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thinking to yourselves . Yes , this is

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all completely obvious , but I'm not

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sure that's the case because I can tell

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you when I was new to military

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education , that's not how it was

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framed , what was presented , made a

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lot of sense , but it was a taken for

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granted assumption of why we

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collaborate the way we do working in a

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pair , gave me a place to start from .

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It gave me a way to understand my role ,

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especially when I was brand new and

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slightly terrified . But over time , my

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team was able to use that as a

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foundation to evolve from rather than a

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permanent structure . So we were able

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to get into this evolution and move

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forward and create something brand new .

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So I hope that this is quite obvious to

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everyone else , but I will admit it

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wasn't , to me , I may have stumbled

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across this understanding by accident ,

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but I think together we can make it

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more intentional . Can we hack this

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framework ? How do we get to community ?

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I knew that would be the question and I

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didn't really have an answer . But this

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time I knew how to get it . I asked my

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military colleagues and again , they

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delivered , they told me the conditions

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necessary to get this right ? What one

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of them referred to as the

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collaborative environment and the

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collaborative will . Here's what they

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said . We need a high degree of trust ,

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rapport , respect the psychological

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safety to admit we don't know , ask

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questions , listen and try to

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understand an ego free

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dynamic , not competitive , no need to

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prove ourselves to each other . We're

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all proud of the work but no one has

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pride of ownership , empathy

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and humility . We all come in with a

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wealth of knowledge and we own that

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knowledge . But we also recognize the

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other person as an expert in their own

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way . Our experiences are valuable but

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not so important that it minimizes the

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value we get by working with someone

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different . These first three could be

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called lack of hubris , which let's be

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honest , both military and academia

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because of our deep expertise can be a

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bit prone to one colleague . Put it

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this way . Yeah , I know a lot but I

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could know differently . I could know

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better . We have to commit ,

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we need to care and be sincere . Our

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work cannot be transactional .

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We practice what we preach we flex and

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evolve , however necessary to help our

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students develop . We're not complacent

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in our work . We follow a process that

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ensures our own development . We talk

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frequently share lessons learned ,

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compare ongoing experiments , we give

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and receive feedback and take our own

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development seriously . These three are

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what one of my colleagues called being

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all in and for each of us to do that ,

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we need certain conditions in our

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organizations . Our leaders allow

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intellectual freedom . They champion

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the concept of a community , encourage

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collaboration and reinforce that for

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all members of the team . As new

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members come in , we make clear early

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on the objectives , the expectations

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and the necessity not to put self

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imposed barriers on ourselves . Because

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of our assigned roles , we operate

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like a learning organization , a living

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organism that continues to refine and

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get better . As military educators ,

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we encourage learning in an environment

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that requires extraordinarily adaptive

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people . We ask this of our students

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and of ourselves . So what are the

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necessary collaborative conditions in

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your work ? How do you get to

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practicing community ? Might our

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roll boxes hold some assumptions or

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biases that are creating a smaller

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space for our community to operate from

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as we release those ideas and create a

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bigger space , we can create learning

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communities and become more creative

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learning communities . As I was

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getting ready to come here , one of my

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military colleagues said to me , I view

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my role as preparing students to

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operate autonomously in a complex and

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ambiguous environment by creating the

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best possible learning environment . We

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give them the tools they need to

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perform in the future operating

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environment . We do this based on the

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future we think they'll face even

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though we can't know exactly what it

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will be . He then pointed out to

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me the date of this event that on this

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day in 1941 everything changed . We

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face something unexpected and

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unprecedented and our students will too .

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So to prepare them as best we can , we

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owe it to them to be a practicing

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community , bringing the same curiosity ,

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creativity and agility to our work as

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we will ask them to bring to the future

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Fight unboxing our roles will

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help us do just that . Thank you .

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So I intentionally kept that rather

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short so that we would have some time

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to discuss . So this was designed for

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dialogue . This was designed for your

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feedback . I can't stand up here and

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say that we give and receive feedback

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without practicing what I preach . Um

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So happy of course to take any

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questions , but also just happy to hear

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your comments , reactions , feedback ,

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constructive criticism , whatever you

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would like to share . But let's get the

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community started . Good

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morning .

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Yeah , that , that is such a great

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question , right ? Especially in this

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dynamic , right ? As we heard earlier ,

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there's some rigidity , there's

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structure , there is often times a very

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straightforward no nonsense dynamic to

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how people think about who they are and

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what they're here to do . A lot of the

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training we've received about our roles

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and how we're supposed to show up in a

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work environment and own our position

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and do the thing we're here to do . And

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that that's the expectation that makes

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it really challenging , right ? To

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break out of that . And so I would say

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the number one thing is creating a

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vulnerable environment that allows

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people to be honest about the fact that

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as great as we all are and as well

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trained and impressive and successful

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in our respective fields . As we all

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are , we also still have gaps , we're

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human beings , there are things that we

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don't know . And even if we know an

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unbelievable amount , we are still

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facing unprecedented times and

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scenarios , the world keeps evolving

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and changing . One of the things I

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point out to my students frequently is ,

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do you deal with human beings at all at

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any point in your day ? Yes , then

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you're facing emergence ,

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unpredictability , unprecedented

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situations , complexity and so on and

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so on , right ? And so being honest

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about that and then honestly going

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first , right ? Just putting it out

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there . Like here's what I'm strugg

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with , right ? I I mentioned , you know ,

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I was very much a fish out of water

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when I started . So one thing that I

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personally did was just be honest about

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the imposter syndrome , bring some

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intellectual humility , bring some

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vulnerability to dialogue and admit the

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things that I don't know and ask for

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help people really like it . When you

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ask them for help , it's I think built

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into our DNA . And so modeling that in

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that way , both with colleagues in

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those curriculum development or

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whatever other kinds of sessions and

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then also in front of the students

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because the entire thing is a

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partnership , right ? I was focused

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today on talking about our coworkers ,

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but that same dynamic comes into the

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classroom as well . So just the the

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vulnerability of the going first and

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then I can say what my colleagues were

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sharing with me is how lucky we are to

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have a team dynamic that brings that to

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the fore and leaders , even our most

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senior folks who would stand up in the

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room in the , in the front of the room

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and do that very same thing . And so

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that , that modeling is absolutely

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essential or otherwise you're , you're

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not gonna get to it . And that

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hesitancy , I mean , you used a gentle

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word , right ? Hesitancy . Really ?

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It's more like the Heisman , right ?

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It's like , no , thank you . Um So it

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absolutely takes a lot of work to , to

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get to that . Thank you for that

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question .

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Yes .

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Exactly . Yeah , that , that was

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something I was really curious about as

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I started recognizing this and what I

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found is that the condition setting

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from day one is so incredibly essential .

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Um And so it's being deliberate and

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messaging this , right ? We , I don't

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think we can just pull this off with

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like a warm smile and a friendly tone ,

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right ? I don't think we can just pull

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this off by showing up and having the

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best of intentions to work in this way

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and be a community . I think it has to

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be deli deliberately stated from the

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leaders of the organization . I think

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it has to be part of the um the

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coming in period , even though for many

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of us that's like an hour before we're

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thrown into something and having to

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actually produce work . Um But I think

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it has to be discussed and I think you

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have to find the terminology that makes

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sense in your work , right ? So what

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was useful for me is that this thing

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I'm talking about mental complexity ,

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that's my area of expertise . I do

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adult cognitive development . And

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probably the most fundamental principle

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to that particular line of work is that

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you have to get people to examine their

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own assumptions and potentially alter

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or , or give up certain ideas or , or

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change and create more sophisticated

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ways of thinking and doing that

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requires first an acknowledgment that

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there could possibly be any flaws or

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gaps in your existing thinking . And so

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bringing that conversation out and

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helping people see that having some

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kind of gap or having an assumption

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that maybe needs to be altered is not a

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defect , it's not some kind of human

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error . It's literally the act of being

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human itself , right ? If you have a

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human brain that functions and does the

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things that brains do , then you have

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assumptions , you have um rules and

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scripts that help you navigate your

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world and they are just manufactured as

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right as they seem as real as they seem

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as true as they seem , they are just

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manufactured . So having the

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conversation and the dialogue with

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people to acknowledge that it's

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actually a good thing that we are not

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permanent , no matter how far we've

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gone in our career , no matter how

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successful we've been , we , we just up

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front , say hi here I am and I'm flawed .

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Here I am . And I don't know . And you

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start asking those questions right up

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front , showing that vulnerability ,

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providing that exemplar . And to me

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that's how we accelerate it . Because

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what I did find was even though the

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story I just told was a six year story

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which most , most of us don't have that

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time . What happened was that once we

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reached a critical mass of enough

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people on the team embracing that idea ,

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you almost couldn't stop it . Most

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folks , if they walked into one of my

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team meetings would probably be a

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little taken aback by the level of

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honesty , transparency , psychological

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safety , vulnerability that we are

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exhibiting with each other every day ,

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right ? And it's funny because you say

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like , oh , we're like a family . Our

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team is like a family . Not really ,

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not really . I cannot go home for

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Christmas and ask my brother the kinds

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of questions that I can ask a colleague

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that I've been working with for two

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months because we've set the conditions

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in the organization . And for us ,

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we're lucky because we do , we do

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leader development and it happens to be

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the very nature of the things we teach .

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I think it probably takes even more

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deliberate work if you're teaching in

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another , in another discipline . Yeah .

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Thanks for that .

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Mm Yeah . I think that's something that

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we also benefit from because we teach

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those things . And so the practice ,

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what you preach thing , it's a lot more

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than just , oh , we wanna be authentic

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and we wanna make sure we're , we're

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doing as we say . Um , but rather it's

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that when you help other people unpack

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their own assumptions and recognize not

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only that there are these cognitive

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biases and heuristics that exist , but

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also you wouldn't have a human brain if

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you didn't have them . Right . I think

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we have to a little bit d stigma ties

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the idea that everyone holds

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assumptions and biases that may be

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flawed and in some cases may be

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downright wrong , right ? It is a part

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of how our brains make sense of the

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world . It's a part of how we simplify

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the massive amount of information that

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comes at us every , you know , waking

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second and sleeping second . Um And so

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to , to just sort of take the layer of

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shame honestly off of that and say like

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this is this is what human brains do

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but guess what we have the research and

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the practices that show us there's

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something we can actually do about that .

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Yeah , it takes work . Yeah , it takes

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a certain kind of intention and energy

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and effort , but it can be done and

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there's research that shows it can be

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done . Um So setting the stage for the

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fact that the this is something we talk

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about , this is not taboo , this is not

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something we're sweeping under the rug .

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We're honest about the fact that we

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hold certain biases and assumptions .

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And the first time you have someone on

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your team that admits to that and tells

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a story from some experience they've

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had where they recognize their own

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assumption , specially if it's one ,

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they're not particularly proud of the

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first person who's willing to do that

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and tell that story and admit they're

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not proud of it at all , but they're at

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least grateful that they've had that

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experience and that transformation .

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The first person who does that , what

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I've seen is that it just opens up and

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I've seen this happen on my team and

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then I've seen it even more so happen

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in a classroom environment . Right .

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Yeah . Great question . Yeah , I think

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especially , right , as you're , as

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you're bringing a new group of people

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together , you have an opportunity and

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a liability . And that is that our sort

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of standard procedure when we get a new

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group of people together is to do the

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introductions , right ? To kind of

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whatever our forming , storming and

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norm looks like . Um everyone coming in

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and getting to know the other people

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explaining , you know , my background ,

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my area of expertise . Um One thing

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that we do in our classes is that we

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provide very explicit instructions

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about how introductions are gonna role

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and they're not gonna sound like our

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traditional reciting of the bio , right ?

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And here's another thing that both

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military and academia very guilty of ,

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right , we are so accustomed to really

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having to approve ourselves . Um and

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really having that standard way of

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communicating who we are and what our

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background and expertise is um that it

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requires some putting some deliberate

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layers in place to say we're not going

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to do it that way . But here's some

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specific instructions on how you are

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going to do it , right ? You can't just

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say be super creative , go , right .

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You have to actually create something .

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So we create um specific prompts ,

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specific questions that people are

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supposed to answer different dynamics

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of how people um introduce themselves

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or maybe they pair up and introduce

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each other , right ? You've probably

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all seen these different things , but

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the key idea is that you get people to

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share just enough of kind of the good

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stuff , the impressive stuff . So they

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can at least feel comfortable walking

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into the room that they have a place

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there . Um But then you quickly shift

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them into acknowledging the gaps ,

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right ? What is the thing that has

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surprised you most ? What is the thing

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that you learned ? What was unexpected ?

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Um What was it that you came ? What was

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a skill that you came to develop in

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your work that you really should have

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developed earlier and you wish you had ,

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right ? So just whatever those kinds of

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questions are that you can ask people

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to bring that into the normal part of

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the conversation from the very

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beginning that this is how we talk to

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each other . We are genuinely curious

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for me personally , I benefit from

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being a professional executive coach

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and the little secret they won't tell

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you about coaching is it's super easy .

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You just have to come in with the right

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mindset . You need a curiosity and a

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genuine interest in the human being

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you're talking to . Because then when

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you ask them questions , even really

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tough questions , even questions that

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may sound like constructive criticism

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or hard feedback . If you ask those

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questions with a genuine hu human

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curiosity with the best of intentions ,

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it doesn't put people on the defensive .

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It's a genuine , like people actually

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wanna talk about themselves . We all

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actually have that desire to want to be

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truly seen and in coaching , right ? I

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tell folks here's the great thing , the

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person's telling you something you

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repeat back to them to clarify . I

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think what I'm hearing is this , I

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think that's what you're saying and

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there's good news either way because

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either you get it right . And it's like

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awesome , you got it right . I feel

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understood . Let's keep going with this

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conversation . You built trust and

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rapport or you get it wrong and that's

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even better because the person

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genuinely wants to be understood . So

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then they clarify , they crystallize

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their own thinking about whatever it is

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they're trying to say . So they

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actually get better at communicating it

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and more articulate . They come to

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deeper understanding in their own mind

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of the thing that they wanted to say

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because they're working so hard to get

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you to understand . And so if we bring

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that kind of open ended questions and

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genuine curiosity and interest into our

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dialogues with our colleagues , um

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again , it's a practice what you preach

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thing , right ? It makes it a lot

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easier for people to suddenly just

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start talking , not just about all of

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the great stuff that they've done and

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accomplished and how wonderful they are ,

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but also the gaps and scenes that might

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exist that together we can , we can

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deliberately work on and of course ,

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admitting and acknowledging your own

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right up front . Super important . Yeah .

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Thanks for that question .

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Right . Even to that first level .

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Yeah . Absolutely . Yeah . I mean , I

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think what's important here about that

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sort of acknowledgment that we're all

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human beings and we have flaws is that

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it often times is easier to first get

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at that on a personal level before we

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bring that into the professional realm .

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Right ? So , um and I'm not talking

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about like trite team building

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exercises and I'm not talking about

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like the command picnic , the picnic is

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great . Um Team building exercises are

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great , but I'm talking about actual

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deliberate thoughtful dialogue where

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you're putting people in a room and

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giving them constructive prompts um

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that allow them to better prepare

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themselves to work together and get to

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know each other in a way that allows us

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to kind of take off that um that heroic

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leader thing , right ? That sort of ,

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I'm here and here's all this great

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stuff that I bring but actually

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designing prompts that allow people to

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acknowledge . Here's what I'd like to

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learn , right ? You can set the

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conditions that people responding to

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certain prompts and sharing ideas with

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each other about stuff they don't know

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stuff they're not good at . Here's what

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I hope to learn . Here's what I hope to

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get out of this experience . Here's

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something that I'd really like to get

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better at and maybe you can help me do

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that , you can set those conditions

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where that's what living up to

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expectations looks like . Right ? So

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the person who's coming in with

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counterfeit behaviors where they like ,

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you know , they humble brag and they

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try to pretend that they're admitting

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to something that's like a gap but it's ,

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they're not really , um gosh , I'm just

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so I'm just such a hard worker , you

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know , that's really my biggest flaw .

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Um Right , if we can set the conditions

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where that is gonna get called out

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because that's not useful or

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constructive and where enough people

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are actually sharing genuine , honest

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kind of vulnerabilities , um where that

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starts to become the norm and the

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people who aren't doing that are gonna

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be the ones that are like , you're not ,

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you're not doing the real thing here ,

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you're not bringing your authentic self .

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And so setting those conditions and

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again , it it really , absolutely has

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to be modeled by the leaders . But I

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will say that it doesn't necessarily

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always have to be the leader that goes

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first . It can sometimes be the

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youngest or most junior person on the

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team or the , the biggest outsider ,

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right ? I benefited from that . And

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there were some people that on that

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were on my team that were really ,

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really wise about that . Like , I

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didn't understand it at all . I was

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like , why did they hire me ? What do

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they want was my resume stuck to the

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back of someone else's resume ? I don't ,

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but they knew exactly what they were

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doing . And it was basically getting

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that from an unexpected and unassuming

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place . And so you can really leverage

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whoever is willing to go first , right ?

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Whoever's gonna have that bravery um to

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set those conditions and then start

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making that the norms of how we

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communicate with each other rather than

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what we typically do . Yeah ,

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the train .

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Yeah , I think the mentor protege

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question is really interesting in light

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of this idea of these levels of

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collaboration because what these levels

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of collaboration do is allow each of us

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to be providing something to the other

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person , regardless of which one we are ,

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right ? So whether I'm mentor or

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protege , whether I'm more junior or

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more senior , whether I'm military or

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academic , whatever it is , the nature

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of the collaboration is designed to

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build something together and try

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something together Right . And so yes ,

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we're gonna establish , here's the

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stuff I'm good at and here's the stuff

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you're good at and we're gonna bring

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those pieces , but we're also gonna set

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early on a stretch goal , an area for

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development , right ? Some kind of gap

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that we wanna fill in and then the

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other person is gonna be partnering

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with us to help us do that . And so

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even in a mentor protege dynamic , you

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know , it may be more clear cut the

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things that the mentor is helping the

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mentee develop . But mentors themselves ,

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especially bringing that vulnerability

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and that willingness to acknowledge and

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set the tone like I have gaps too .

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There's nothing that says the protege J

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can't support that development . And

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that's something really cool that I've

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seen on my team is that because we have

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that dynamic in place already , it's

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easy to get into those conversations .

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And so we on my team because we do

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coaching , we call it peer coaching .

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We usually don't use , I have a mentor .

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She is my mentor . I refer to her as my

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mentor . However , in the conversations

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we have with each other , we'll get

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into a conversation and say , ok , I

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need a coaching moment , let me run

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something by you . And it's exactly the

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same regardless of which one of us is

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coming with the problem that day . And

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it's like , thank you for coaching me .

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And so for us , it just happened to be

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that altering the language , um ,

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almost made it more , um

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easier to digest the idea that we're

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coming in as equals and that we're all

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supporting each other's development .

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And even the people that are supposed

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to be like the big important mentors ,

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they have their gaps too and the

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support to fill in those gaps can come

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from anywhere . Right . So ,

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40 seconds , hey , everyone again , uh ,

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if I could just take 30 seconds , Liz .

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um a quick quote from Picasso , I

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believe . Who said , uh what is the

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meaning of life to find your gift ? Uh

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What is your purpose in life to give it

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away ? Uh So thank you so much for

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giving us the gift of your , of your

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professionalism , of your scholarship ,

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of your experience and in such a

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polished way . Uh This is our gift to

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you from Marine Corps University . Just

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a small pint glass with our logo on it

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uh in a token of our appreciation . So

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thanks to Doctor Cavallero . Thank you

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so much . That was wonderful .