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Other than that thing for uh providing

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your time and , you know , just uh

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coming down here and joining us for

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some discussions about environmental

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topics that will be uh important to

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your uh construction project . So ,

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thank you . OK . Our effort today , uh

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we , we , you know , providing welcome

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introductions . Um We're also gonna go

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through our camp laws or charts , but

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I'm also gonna invite um uh lady who's

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the compliance supervisor for Air Force

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Base to introduce herself and talk

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about her shop so that you can identify

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your Tr Anderson Air Force . Uh

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We also have an update for O IC C . We

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may not cover that if uh O IC C doesn't

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show up . Uh We also have a stormwater

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bulletin that we like to discuss that

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might be uh of particular interest in

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the post uh underground in objection

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coal wells , oil water separators and

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uh land order signatories for permits

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uh for long A uh and then finally ,

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we'll have uh kg , right ? Uh uh trade

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slides of storm water and then we'll

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close it out with Q and A . Um I mean ,

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everybody , but I encourage this to be

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a discussion versus this topic . So ,

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thank you . Thanks . So , this is the

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uh Kloss Organization . Um We have

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Natural Resources uh mitigation branch

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led by uh M Law . So if they're working ,

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I don't think anybody is working on

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deputy projects here . But we have ,

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you know , uh uh I would say special uh

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mitigations pertaining to the Marine

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Corps relocation . So , yeah , and

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folks that uh oversee that uh oversee

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those requirements . We also have Miss

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Cherry HOA who's uh our lead for uh

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client and find uh she oversees um

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uh our compliance folks as well as our

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cultural resource folks . Uh for law ,

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I work for uh commander law , who's our

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public woods Officer works for . Uh We

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have some ties to joint region O IC

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CG PM O for our next like

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uh this slide will probably skip . Uh

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This is a program management office .

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Um Our , our contact there says Richard

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Gray . Um actually , uh if you have

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some housing projects at Anderson ,

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some of them are generally funded . Um

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We work primarily with this outfit led

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by M LA ch uh at the , she's a G on

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record . Uh We'll be working pretty

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soon with our um our uh block defenses

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and counterparts , the joint post

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management office . Uh but very similar

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outfit . We'll be working with these

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folks on uh future films that like

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Lamar Europe . All right . So , uh my

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name is Aaron , I'm uh environmental

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engineer uh supporting a record of uh

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cap uh for 200 clients . Um So

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we put together this pretty store water

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limit to uh basically pass up to our O

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IC O IC C counterparts . Um It's still

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uh being finalized , but I just wanted

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to go through it today and advise , you

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know , across the board to any pretty

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much uh construction project . Um So

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basically any , any project uh that ,

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that he has uh have uh going on in uh

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in construction . Um We have a

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compliance , uh compliance requirements

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that need to be met . Um If you don't

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meet those requirements , um you can

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violate , you know , the law and

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control regulations . Um the federal li

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a construction permit , uh and specific

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permits like a very gra permit which

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I'm not exactly sure if that applies to

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non components . Um Quick question .

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So , uh who amongst the Anderson Air

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Force Base folks are familiar with the

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local storm water and that the

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Washington a storm water anyway . Ok .

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So from our perspective , um under the

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waiver of sovereign immunity , I don't

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know if you've heard of that term , the

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federal government has subjected itself

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to the local status for market . So ,

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what that means is that for any

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construction project on Guam , these

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have to be in our design specifications .

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So if your , if your project , if your

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project is uh being reviewed for

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compliance with local requirements ,

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local design references to the 2006 to

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my one or more .

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Ok . Thank you . Um So basically , uh

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now , ev , right , you don't ev is kind

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of like the last thing on everybody's

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mind . Um Safety first , obviously ,

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right ? And the construction is you

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don't even want to meet all your

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deadlines . But when you do get a

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notice of violation , obviously , there

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are issues , uh you can get a notice of

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violation from W MP A from P CPA and

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then a stop order , which obviously ,

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um it impacts your project schedule and

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uh it's just bad in general , right ?

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So , uh the purpose of this , well ,

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and again is just to raise more

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awareness uh for stormwater compliance .

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And um so hopefully , you know , avoid

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any type of uh notified nature or any

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type of negative in the project next

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time . Um The stormwater , the

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Samite uh 2006 cam I uh Guam Stormwater

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Man , manager manual . I'm not gonna go

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through all of this . Uh Captain

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Bearden uh from Guam EPA . Uh The , the

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chief engineer will have a very , very

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specific um uh not only uh what's

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called so water related presentation ,

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but also design uh design . Uh it's

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called a presentation also that will go

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uh in depth into this . So uh just keep

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that in mind . Uh But in , in general ,

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you know , you wanna always have uh E

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MP S on your product and make sure that

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you're following your swim next and

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next . Uh the EPA 2020 22

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construction General Permit uh , that's

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a federal requirement for any , um ,

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any , uh , what's called project that

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you had seen an acre in , in , uh , in

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the , um , you would have to apply for

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an , no , I , uh , normally the

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contractor would do that . Uh , I've ,

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it involved in an NBG in the past where

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it was required as , as a dual . No , I ,

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so I , um , the ad would apply for one

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and then the contractor would apply for

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one . That's actually a good question .

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Do we do that now ? No , no . So we

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just ask our contractors if we part

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permits and responsibilities , suppose

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to apply for the analog themselves will

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sign off as a representative of the

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land . Ok . So basically , yes . What's

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the tangling for that look like , have

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to submit or is it the ,

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so I , uh , question , uh , how long

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does he , what's the timeline for that ?

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So , I don't know , how long does it

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usually take ? I know that it's in my

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experience . I understand how you can

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try it , um , that it's an electronic ,

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uh , notification . Uh , you do it

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online . Um , and it's , uh , basically

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submit the , no , I , and it's , if you

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don't necessarily get a quote unquote

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approval , you just get , uh , what's

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called a record of your , of your

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submittal , uh , as , uh , on record

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that you're following and combined with ,

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you're basically like self certifying

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that you're required the federal court .

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Is that correct ? Yeah . So there's a

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four , so that's correct . So there's a

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14 day uh timeline for U SEPA to object

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to your no I approach and pass , pass

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that date . If there's no objections

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for us CPA , you can proceed . But

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that's assuming you already have a

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completed swift that you will be

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uploading into that eno IC TP system .

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Uh The contractor will be doing that .

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Uh But again , if you , all of your

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information is completely submitted to

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U SEPA . EPA has 14 days to object past

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that 14 day time period , they can

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either old or basically you're approved

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so well . Uh If you do get a hold ,

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make sure to contact your environmental

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office to figure out why , why your

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contractor got . Does that answer your

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question ? Yes . Any other questions on

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that ? Thank you . Yeah . So for marine

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core projects , projects , um

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regardless of the size of the theory ,

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uh we require that the contracts in the

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uh again , just kind of talk through

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that um visiting the services . Uh CG

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BC GP . No I requirements . We wanna

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limit uh the disturbance , the uh

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what's called a , a cumulative or the

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service uh to invest the five acres uh

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at one time , you know , uh again ,

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that's , there's a kind of asterisk

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without temporary stabilization of

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proper communities . So you can exceed

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that as long as you are managing your

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site appropriately and have appropriate

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communities in place to manage specific

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portions . Um The C DB also requires

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that uh Noy inspector training , um

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that has to be done and completed . Uh

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There's a link here um for that

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training and um there's also a link at

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the very bottom that gives you uh some

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more information for more requirements

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there . We'll provide a , uh what do

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you call that thing ? The uh that hyper

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report , the QR code , you can take a

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picture of the QR code at the end of

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the presentation and then you guys can

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have access to all the slides and also

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we're having a video . And also so in

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case somebody wasn't there , they get

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uh that's all . Yeah , all

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when I said uh local requirements again ,

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um I kind of spoke about this , that

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what we pay 30 grading permits . Uh

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Again , if you have any uh what's it

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called ? Any more questions about that ?

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There are links and then also uh for

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the certification , there's also a

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contact at GCC uh trades path to uh

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to get that trade design requirements

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for se traps . Um This is something

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that we've been having issues with that .

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I would say that since you have , but

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uh what is it called ? Uh again , you

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know , make sure that you guys are ,

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are uh are containing and , and uh and

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uh treating your salt water and making

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sure that , you know , it's being held

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on site . So sure that you guys have

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basins that are , that are

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appropriately sized and uh properly

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maintained . That helps with that uh

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Yeah , you have to , we have a bunch of

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uh what is called , we put on that ,

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that it is very like quick deal . It's

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my arm . It's 5500 cubic feet per

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acre serve . So that's , that's

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important . And uh you have any

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questions on storm water again . Uh Cap

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we have uh a lot , a lot more to offer

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in terms of uh details . And uh there

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are a lot of uh there's a lot of

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information also . Uh uh that's what we

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have to be . Things . That's true . All

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right , then I'll , you once again uh

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next night , so that the underground

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injection well , um is not covered

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under 2015 SEIS for dod construction

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projects . So , uh if you have this uh

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U IC will pass a significant long term

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environmental per meeting , operating

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something uh and regulatory report cost .

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So , uh March in order for M CBC P uh

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will not to accept any of these

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construction designs to include class

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vu IC . So , um yeah ,

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um we have some uh cases where um

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disagreement issued . Um So uh it's

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on the bottom and excite .

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All right , we have a few uh example

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like this one . So any time you have a

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UYC that uh is covered in concrete ,

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that is considered as a U IC performing

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the um next , like this is another

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example , you can go back like Oman ,

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I , I just wanna make sure that it's

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clear to our folks why this , why this

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is considered , this is considered a U

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IC . OK . So the general

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definition of U IC is if you have a ,

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well , that is uh that is a no , the

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vertical dimension is deeper than the

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words . So for example , if this

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was 2 2 ft deep and 2 ft

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wide , then it wouldn't be a , it

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wouldn't be an underground injection

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control , right ? So we have a lot of

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condensate hits in our construction

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projects that Guam Pier has been

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looking at saying why , why is this an

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injection ? Well , and uh because

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they're , they're actually , you know ,

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they're , they're not as deep as they

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are white . Um So that's , but that's

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just one criteria , right ? OK . So

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we're moving on to the next , the next

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uh the next criteria why EPA consider

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considers these underground .

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So another one is uh

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this is why that is so what we

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should this design I

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and so it has a concrete cover . One

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EPA calls in an underground invention

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control . Yes . OK . So what is , what

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is the solution also ? Uh There are

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some recommendations . So uh it should

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be constructed , design and constructed

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the horizontal dimension we , which is

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greater than the vertical dimension ,

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which is correct . So another one , so

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anytime you have a chamber that we

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qualify , must not have a solid cover

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and must provide visibility to the

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region of infiltration feature . So you

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have , you have to be able to see the

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inside of the . Well , with the ,

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also the design must not contain any

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drill engineer artists into rock . So

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for other additional information ,

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there's a link below next one

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perfectly . Maybe have you run our , go

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ahead . Say we run into this .

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We agree that any

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differences , I think , well , this

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conversation bit

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sections on changing with the

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requirements that design

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for we're trying to change the

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requirement . So what we've done is

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we've um we've crafted a bulletin for

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the designers and that a patent to

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implement , to implement what we just

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discussed so that there is no issue

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post the war , arguing with Guam Epa

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about what this compensate , you know ,

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whether it falls within the U IC

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program or not because what happens is

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we have uh we have monitoring

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compliance burdens associated with

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these U I CS . We don't want them .

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It's basically we have an unfunded

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family every time we accept this as a U

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IC . So lately I I think they've been

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trying to pursue the same strategies ,

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right . So we , the environmental team

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is trying to push for eliminating

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underground injection control wells

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from all our construction projects uh

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because we actually have sufficient

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space to , to not have the license . Um

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Maybe they , maybe based law may be

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different but , you know , but they ,

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you know , they can speak for

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themselves . Uh As far as the site

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specific issues , feelings , what do

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you have to prevent the problem ?

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We , we are not trying to prevent

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anything . So we're trying to avoid the

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permits associated with discharging ,

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you know , whatever it is on the same ,

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um , you know , processed water , storm

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water , water . No ,

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there's nothing wrong with it . We just

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don't want the compliance costs

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associated with those permits because

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we have satellite . We have monitoring .

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We , we don't want to pay for them ,

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but they got so many questions and

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they have to say it is dangerous .

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We , we made the argument and they ,

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they basically pushed back on it and

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it's such an easy change from a design

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standpoint , you know , let's just work .

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Ok . Right . Right . Yeah ,

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next speaker , um , re

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ok . So I ses separates

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uh oil washer , oil water separators

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are pre treatment to waste water . Um

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We typically find them in the wash

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tracks , new straps , um , those types

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of facilities and set of fixtures

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and one up a governs the oil water

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separator . You can find those

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regulations of the NGC A chapter 76 01 .

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you oows a require a perm to one

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uh design bid bills . Those designs

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typically get sent to bomb for review .

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All the water separators should be

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indicated that most of what some of

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water such as this

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um contractors need to apply for

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installation in the COVID US and it

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doesn't limit government's operation .

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Why it just requires the , the

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installation back there and you can

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find it in the , it's typically

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like that .

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Right . Now ? Yeah .

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Are we encouraging ? Yes ,

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it , it uh actually it comes down to

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UFC Earth lines . So there's , there's

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a UFC for waste water and in

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those uh in the UFC , depending on the

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nature of characteristic of wastewater

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prior to discharge uh sewers or storm

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water that are joined to the

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educated uh creature advice from other

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waters and depending on the activity .

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Yeah , that's a big , that's a big

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public works department issue with oil

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and water separators , particularly if

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the boss is not in the PM is

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basically like you said , we have

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nonfunctional dis pass . So we , we see

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that happening , obviously you got to

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do a better job than that . But uh you

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know , as far as uh hard construction

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goes , they can see their contractors .

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So

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any other questions ? Ok . Um I'm

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talking about uh my own check .

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Um It's one of the opportunity to

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improve the accuracy of this uh current

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applications . Uh

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uh First and really the only point to

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check if the current application

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requires the landowners electronic . Uh

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You can do this by reviewing the Apple

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for relations , the fire or the

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application itself um to the li uh

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exam . Uh Not all permits

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required by another . Uh

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Wow . Some examples of permits that do

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require it are uh solid waste permits .

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US T or I was talking about water

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separators to permit for that is a US T

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permit um test war

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permits . Um I wanted to focus on an

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example of , of well drilling permits .

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So the applicable regulation here is

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the water board for the water resource

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development and operating regulations

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and it says no road may be drilled

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unless the owner of the land came to

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drilling . Um If the

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landowner further further says that if

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the landowner and the well owner are

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not the same a statement from the owner

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granted permission must be submitted

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along with the application . Um

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That was the book that I read said a

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notarized statement was the company of

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permit application . Our purpose is to

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go on that uh that email . Yeah .

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Uh This is just a sample from the wr

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board . The

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next slide , this is a sample from the

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actual well driven permit application .

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Um At the top we have the owner of the

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Well , I see it is um Kloss but um

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for are um the owner during

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construction should actually be the

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contract . Um The landowner

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here is uh really discrete . Um

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And here's the , the fine print in the

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application itself saying that the ,

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that the landowner not , is different

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from the well or that the R permission

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is required through the application .

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And here's where the landowner would

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sign or uh the the applicant

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would sign like

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I just want to make a fine point . Um

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So the general is not gonna sign the bi

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So um this Barbara Torres who is the

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environmental director and Air Force

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Base , she has Bidi direction authority

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to sign on these particular um

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particular refer . And so I , I signed

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for stuff that's on campus opera has

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and I sign for things I perform . So

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you don't have to run these credit .

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That's not a good example .

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OK . And uh this is just a spread of

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the license in both . So this is just a

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sample from the current uh from the

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contract bank uh blanket statement

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saying that um you

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must comply with federal state and

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local laws . That's usually in a

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regulation in the contract bank when

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they permit itself , you know , to say ,

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well , some people are not aware of

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that , of these , you know , these

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requirements , but the lack of the

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permit , this is the terms of the

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permit . So it's pretty general . But

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um it really puts you on the line for

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being responsible for your information

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that you , this is under division one .

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All right . Uh This , this is a quick

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intro , Captain Bean is here today .

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He's the chief engineer for Guam Epa .

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Uh My thanks to him for uh providing

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his valuable time and sharing his

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knowledge and uh things that pertain to

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military construction activity . So ,

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uh again , thank you , Captain , be for

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joining us today and uh inform George .

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Thank you . Thanks all . Um Good

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afternoon , everybody . Um I understand

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that everyone wants to get out of here

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early and on time . So we will um I'll

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make sure that I don't repeat too much .

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Of what we did last year and we'll

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focus on some of the newer stuff . But

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before I do , I got two presentations

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and I wanna get some interest and gauge

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the interest of the room on what they

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are . So , the first presentation is

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more or less what I covered last year ,

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which is what does long EPA review ?

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How does the permitting system work ?

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We've already done that . You were all

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here last year . And the second

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presentation is a sort of an

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introduction to the storm water design

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criteria that long E A has very manual

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and especially with a focus on

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infiltration practices , which is what ,

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99% of what you guys install is anyway .

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So which of those two would you rather

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see me focus on ? Raise your hand if

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you want to hear about the permitting

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process more than the storm water ? Ok .

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Who wants to hear more about the

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stormwater design stuff in the

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permitting process ? One guy . All

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right . All right . Well , I guess

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we'll focus on the permitting stuff

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that let me just click the next slide .

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So I wanted to introduce myself . I

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heard there's some question , is this

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guy in the Coast Guard or , or what ?

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So I'm a US Public Health Service

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officer . Um If you've never heard of

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the Public Health Service , it is one

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of the uniformed services in the United

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States . Uh There's the US Public

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Health Service and there's also the

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National Oceanographic and Atmospheric

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Administration Commission Corps . We

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are the two real small uniform services

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that no one cares about . And because

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we're so small , we don't have budget

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to do our own uniform items . We can't

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hire a consultant to come up with their

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own camouflage pattern and such . So we

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have to go with what other services use .

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Normally we go with everything the navy

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wears . Uh we have , we wear the

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surface khaki or the C judge moves .

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But when the navy went to those digital

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uh blue camo uniforms a few years ago ,

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they had embedded the navy uh logo in

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the pattern here and there . And so we

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couldn't use it . So we had to go

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negotiate with the Coast Guard to get

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this uniform , but without the coast

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guard symbol . So anyway , uh us Public

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Health Service is under the Department

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of Health and Human Services . Uh

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Surgeon General is our supreme

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commander , I guess you'd say , but

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it's not really with the surgeon

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general's political point to used to

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not be , but nowadays it is um I am

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detail of the United States uh

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Departmental Protection Agency . Uh The

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Public Health Service has a long

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history of the EPA . When the EPA was

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formed . Back in the early 19 seventies ,

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it was formed out of components of the

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public health service . The Public

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health Service at that time was a very

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large agency . It had uniform

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components and a lot of civilian

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workers as well . Uh but something like

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10% of the original EPA staff were uh

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uniformed public health service

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officers . Uh I'm further detailed down

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to one EPA if you go on slide , uh

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standard disclaimer , next slide .

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So I'll start jumping into this stuff

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and uh at any time you guys interrupt

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me , ask questions . Uh I found this a

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million times already . I have updated

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this slightly . Uh But what I'm gonna

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focus on here right now is what it is

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that Guam BP looks at when we do these

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reviews and I'm just gonna start

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stepping through it . So the very first

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one that I listed up there is a long

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soil erosion set of control regulations .

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Uh This forms our kind of wrap around

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regulation for how we permit military

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construction . Um The word permit is a

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little bit uh I'm not sure it really

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fits or not . What we're doing is we're

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really reviewing uh to satisfy the

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federal requirement that military

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projects go under environments and

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review . I know you cooperated with the

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state . So we call it a permit that is

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more of a design review . We issue an

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approval letter that has conditions .

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So it's effectively a permit . Um The

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specific components that are underneath

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that regulation that we're looking at

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is the Erosion Seven Control plan . And

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that's one of the most important CEPT

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plans . And a lot of times we don't

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even get that from the contractor

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without that plan the clock . Doesn't

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even start ticking in the regulations .

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If you look at the radiations , it

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gives us 30 days to review the Erosion

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Seven Control plan . It's not the

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application , not the other documents

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is the Erosion Seven control plan . So

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when a contractor doesn't even turn

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that in which we see a lot , um that

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clock doesn't even start taking the

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next piece of that that we review is

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what's called the stormwater Runoff

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Drainage System plant . And that is the ,

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the post construction stormwater plant .

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And that's where this manual that we

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could talk about later if we have time

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comes into play . Uh The regulations ,

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talk about the best manual practices

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manual . That's the manual that's

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adopted uh by long and it's the same

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manual that's in use in CM I . So if

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you guys are doing any work with CM I

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or even in Palau , it's a different man ,

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different manual in Palau , but it's

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the same mangle . I , I actually

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adopted it myself for Beau like 15

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years ago . It was the same angle but

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just different rainfall . Uh numbers ,

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that's the Guam soil or semi control

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regulations that takes up the bulk of

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our review . Usually . Um the next big

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piece of it for us is the Wellhead

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protection regulations . And these are

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built into the regulations that cover

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well drilling and uh well operations .

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But there's a separate section called

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the well head section regulations . And

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uh if you ever wanna read the worst

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regulations you'll ever read in your

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life . You can take a look at those . A

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lot of it doesn't make any sense at all .

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Whoever wrote them , uh , wasn't using

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grammar , they weren't even finishing

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sentences . So some of those sections

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you can't even technically enforce

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because I think there's one section

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that says something like no toxic or

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hazardous chemical level . A long

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period can be used can be stored . It

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doesn't even say what you're supposed

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to do , but there are some pieces of it

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that do make sense and we deregulate

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those pieces and those really mostly

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apply within 1000 ft radius of any

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groundwater . Well , our production ,

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well , I just groundwater , I see a

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drinking water production . Well , as

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you guys know , there's a lot of those

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scattered around camp loss . Um Andy

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South , a few up here at Anderson , but

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not so many that are in the way of

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things typically . Uh And our review

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for this really is looking kind of a

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more big picture review and just seeing

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what types of activities are happening

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on the site , what types of chemicals

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are in use , what types of storage

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areas or chemicals you're looking at

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fuel tanks , you're looking at things

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like vehicle wash stations , that kind

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of thing . Um And then we do our review

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based on that and a lot of that kind of

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goes back and forth with the storm

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water control regulations there as well

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because whatever is happening has to be

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treated if it's within these well

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protection areas . Uh And that's the

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treatment requirements are inside that

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vein . Uh We also look for injection

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wells and we'll talk a little bit more

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about that later . Uh Guam is a little

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bit different than other places I

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worked where they have very strict

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injection well regulations . And so if

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you have a shallow stormwater injection

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well , in your project , it requires a

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permit and it requires testing and

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sampling of that well . And the run off

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and come and do it for the rest of the

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life of the facility . They're very

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expensive . They often tell you guys

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just how expensive that is if we try to

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discourage those unless you really need

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them . Um As you know , you also have

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what I call real injection wells ,

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right ? The little deep ones that you

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have scattered around Anderson ,

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especially the handle drainage for

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large aprons and , and runway areas as

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such . But what we're normally talking

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about here are these little shallow

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injection wells . Uh And what we

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typically see on a project where they

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slide through and this is they'll be

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just uh like a 6 ft diameter perforated

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concrete pit , maybe 4 ft deep , buried

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outside of the building and connected

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to a floor drain in a mechanical room .

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Usually for uh air conditioner ,

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condensing or air conditioner cond ,

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sometimes also good for uh other

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mechanical rooms . And technically

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those are injection wells . Thanks ,

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likely you can stop me if you have any

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questions . Yes , sir . You will call

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me , please . Ponty basins are not

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injection . Well , but that is part of

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the storm water system , right ? So

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that's what we'll be looking at .

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You're talking like existing pond

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basins and what we're doing with those .

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That , so about what about that ?

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Well , it does , let's , uh , if you go

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back to the , the previous slide , it

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falls under the , uh , the storm water

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runoff drainage system plan and also

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the uh well and protection regulation .

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So if there's a planning basin , it has

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to be located as far as possible on the

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parcel away from the Well , if you're

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building a new ponding basin , it has

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to meet the standards in the storm

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water manual , which are different than

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the old . It's not like the old army

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Corps engineer manual . They belong

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used to you big , big a hole it around ,

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you got water in there . There's some

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pretreat requirements that now apply

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that makes it a little bit different .

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Uh And if there's existing Pawning

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basins , maybe once you have your

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project dump into those , uh you have

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to prove that that pawing basin has the

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capacity to handle whatever new project

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you're doing . Uh Camp Los has some

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very large ponding basins that were

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designed for the whole facility so that

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one's already taken care of on Anderson .

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Sometimes it's hard to figure that out

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whether or not you've got data that can

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show that an existing mining basin can

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handle or if you have to come up with a

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new data . Does that answer your

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question ? Ok , thanks a lot . Um We

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also look at the safe drinking water

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regulations uh under federal law , any

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change to a drinking water distribution

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system or treatment system required

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reviewed by the privacy agency . H EPA

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is a private agency uh prior to making

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that change , they talk about a

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significant change and that's been

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defined in the contractor language that

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you guys all have . I mean , it's like

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getting greater than 200 million ft of

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a new uh pipe . Uh , anything , it

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would be uh a change of treatment is uh ,

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you ever , you know , working on a well

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designed and you're gonna be putting in

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chlorination system that has to be

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reviewed , the well has to be reviewed ,

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water tanks , wastewater disposal . Uh

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This is under the Clean Water Act so we

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can do some review under that as well .

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Most if not , all facilities up here

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are gonna be connected to sewer . So

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what we're gonna be looking for in

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those cases is that number one that is

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connected to sewer , number two , that

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if anything unusual is happening inside

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of that building , any kind of

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potential pollutant causing activity

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like uh maintenance facility or some

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sort of a vehicle washing facility that

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those are connected through some sort

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of pretreat system that goes into that

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sewer , uh to provide that treatment

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ahead of that . That's typically

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something like a boil water separator

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or a segmentation basement of some sort

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ahead of the sewer . Uh And you also

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have to coordinate that with the GW A

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if you're just trying the GW A suit

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septic change um

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outside the groundwater protection zone ,

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I don't think I have a map of the

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groundwater protection zone zone to

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show you , but it cuts right across the

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mountain right across uh the main field

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here at Anderson . So where we are

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right now is maybe within the

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groundwater protection zone . I know

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the basic changes inside the GP Z but

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north ground is outside the GP Z . Uh

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within the G PC . There's no septic

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tanks allowed or anything other than

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residential use , single family

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residence outside the GP Z . You can

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have septic systems for any number of

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things that just has to go through

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design . And we , I know we have a few

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projects up on our graft that are

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running septic systems that we're

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looking at right now . Uh holding tanks .

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This is from last year who said it's

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not allowable under current Guam law .

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It's still not allowable under current

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Guam law , but we're working out uh an

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mou uh al of his crew to allow holding

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tanks for dod use uh under a different

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provision of Guam law that was never

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adopted . It's called the International

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Private School , but holding tanks are

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something you don't know what that is .

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That's where , instead of a sewer

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connection or a septic system , you've

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just got a tank , it fills up the

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sewage . You've got an alarm on there

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based on the whole and you have to pump

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it out of the truck . Fairly limited

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usage . You can't obviously have that

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for a really large facility because

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there's no way you can keep up with the

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pumping . But for something like a

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small office or something like that or

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something that only gets used during a

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special event , it's something that's v

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I know we have someone that uh and the

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rival range , right ? And then

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temporary toilet facilities that's just

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intended for construction only . But we

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have regulations to next the question

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on that stuff . Wastewater .

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Our hazardous waste program also

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reviews plants . Uh These are a

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separate group of people from the folks

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that I supervise . Uh they're mostly

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looking at things like fuel storage ,

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uh any kind of chemical storage ,

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underground storage tanks as teams .

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That's a special permitting process for

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those above ground storage , permitting

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or aboveground storage tanks also has a

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different , ok . They call the

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registration process , not a permit ,

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you have to register those tanks . Um

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If you have those types of systems ,

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they're also looking at the , the

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pipelines and the fuel , uh piping and

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such that are associated with those

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tanks . And there are some requirements

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depending on how large things . So this

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is and any other types of hazardous

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ways to choose our air pollution

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control program also reviews for dust

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control plants or during construction .

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It's just a basic form that the

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contractor fills out . It's nothing

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special . Um , and any kind of standby

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generators or any other types of air

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emissions or a separate permitting

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process for all that , that your

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contractors have to go through . Um ,

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standby generators is all about the

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location of the property and the height

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of the stack . Thanks .

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Our solid waste guys . Also look for uh

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what they call the solid waste

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management plan and the disposal plan .

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This is your contractor . This holds up

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a lot of things and we're trying right

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now to get our solid waste guys to be a

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little bit more flexible . The thing

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that's been holding on these permits of

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most is that a contractor will come in

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and they'll say I'm going to dispose of

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my heart filled waste at

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XYZ or on back Road , right ? But then

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we find out that they're using Carville

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ABC somewhere else in the island and

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then it just holds the whole process up .

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So we're trying to get Guam K and I

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think Guam K is in agreement now to

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just say it has to be disposed of at a

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permanent facility and that leaves it

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up to the contractor to say who they're

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gonna use and they can change that as

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time goes by . Um , I don't know if any

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of you guys have been involved in any

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permit renewals this year with us .

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Permits are only good for 12 months .

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We've had some permit renewals now that

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have been held up since March or April .

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Um only because of this , uh when we

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renew a permit , all we , all we do is

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make sure that the check is written to

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us the right amount and we give them a

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new permit . Our solid waste guys are

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looking at this information . They're

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getting hung up on the fact that the

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contractor is using a different

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facility than they said in the original

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application . So it seems simple to fix .

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It is simple to fix and we're getting

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not fixed . So , um the other piece of

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that is that all the site designs or

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any new designs , our our solid was I

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just want to see that there's a

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location set aside for the waste and I

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got a photo there . Thanks any

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questions on those

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uh for tank . What's the for that ?

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The all the way only things ,

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there's no concern . It's just that uh

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Guam's law is so strangely specific .

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If you look at Guam's law called the

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Toilet Facilities Disposal Act or

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something like that , it's toilet

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facilities and sewage disposal Act . It

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allows three types of toilet facilities

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they're called . So for any building to

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be connected to a wall , one is

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connected to a public sewer . The other

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one is connected to a septic tank and a

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beaching field that actually uses that

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language . It's so specific . And the

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third is a pretty , you know , a pit

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for that , that's not really allowed

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for anything other than a farm . So

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it's so specific that it doesn't allow

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something like a holding tank . It

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doesn't allow a more advanced on site

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treatment system . We've been working

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since I've been here . I've been trying

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to get the legislature to change that

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law and I think they might be headed

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that way right now , but they're not

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there yet . Uh But there is this other

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law , the Guam building law back in

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2010 . Um The legislature adopted

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what's called the International Private

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Disposal system code . And it's a

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private sewage disposal system code .

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And it's basically a completely

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different set of septic system on site

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disposal regulations and it allows

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holding tanks , allows imbalance

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systems and allows all kinds of

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advanced treatment systems . So , what

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we've decided to do is that , that law

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cannot be used right now because the

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way they wrote the law says that if it

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conflicts with any other gu law , the

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existing law law takes precedence . So

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that kind of takes out of play , but

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what we can do with the federal side ,

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so the federal government is not

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obligated to follow every single detail

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of the local law . Um So we've been

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able to say basically that we are

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meeting our due diligence by following

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this other piece of law law that allows

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holding things . So that's something

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we're working on is mov right now , but

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it may be solved . Uh Sometime in the

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next few months , there's a bill in the

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legislation . Now . I said Chris ,

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Chris Point is through a bunch of

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things that takes up about 90% of what

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we were asking for at the EPA , throw a

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few extra things in there , but it'll

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solve that as well . So there's no

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problem with holding things . It's just

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that they're not in the law right now .

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This whole thing runs by law as you

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guys know . Yes , sir . Hey , you

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brought up the solar based um create

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device on it goes this . Uh

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So yeah , so we're doing that

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internally right now . We , we've been

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talking with our solid waste guys and

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got them to agree that it's not going

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to be something they're gonna hold up

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that much anymore . Um I think one of

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the reasons you got called up to some

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extent was that after the typhoon ,

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they got just slammed trying to deal

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with all the typhoon wasters . Our

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solid waste guys were physically out on

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the field for two months straight ,

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running these debris sites . So that

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kind of took their attention away . But

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now that we've gotten them back , we've

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got them to agree that they're going to

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change the way they handle this . So

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the way we're gonna stick it , like I

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said , we did not no longer tie the

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permit to a specific facility , but

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just have on there , the blanket

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terminology , the long up a permitted

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facility . So that should speed it up

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quite a bit . I think there'll still be

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some request to have the contractor

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show them where they're disposing and

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give them their receipts , that kind of

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thing . But at least there won't be

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this back and forth . Like , oh , you

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need to revise your plan . Your , your

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plan is wrong . Seems like silly stuff ,

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but that's what was happening the other

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question . But it's always or it's

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not um the remix at last

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flight . Oh Yeah . So

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back to what this permit , right ? It's

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not really a permit . It's an approval

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letter that may change though , before

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I leave , you're trying to amending

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regulations to adjust that to where we

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can issue a permit . We're allowed to

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issue a permit underneath the the law

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but not under the regulations . But

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regardless , uh we issue three

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different types of letters when any

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type of permit application comes to us .

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One of course is a whole letter . If

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there's any problem during the review ,

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we'll issue a letter to a contractor ,

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tell them what they need to give us the

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revisions . They need to make some

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plans before we can continue processing .

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But then the other two permit types

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that we have here , which gets

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confusing sometimes is we have what we

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call a full permit and the conditional

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permit . Uh This is something that we

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just really started to help up Doz uh

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we had a lot of projects that have very

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large plans and there are a lot of

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issues with the plans and we didn't

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want to hold up construction . So we

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allowed the contractor to start grading

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and doing the earth , earth moving ,

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holding uh under a conditional permit

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with the condition that they don't

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start any construction or any final uh

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concrete asphalt pavement until they

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come in and get their final design

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approval from us . And that would be

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where the full permit is . The problem

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that we've had with that is that a lot

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of contractors get that temporary

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permit , that conditional permit and

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they never look back , they never come

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back , they never get their final

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approval . Then we find out that they

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built this whole thing , which we've

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never even reviewed . This is the , uh ,

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the situation behind the J 755 projects

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at Andy Cell . Um , that permit was

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issued only for the fence . That was it .

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The contractor came and said just , you

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know , we're in a hurry . I'm this guy ,

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this guy , a big guy in the office just

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pounding on the table and you gotta let

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us start , you gotta let us start . We

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just wanna do the fence . We gave him a

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permit for the fence only , you know ,

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a year and a half later , we're still

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working on design review and we go out

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and look at the site and the thing is

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almost finished , right ? And there's a

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lot of stuff in there that we had

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actually had objections to . Right

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there is a regulatory problem with that .

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So that's the extreme case . But we see

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it happen a lot on smaller projects too .

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I think the contractors are trying to

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get a better idea of how this works .

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Now , our letter is now more clear ,

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they spell out their full partial and

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all the contractors and I think it's

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due to you guys working , All the

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contractors now are coming into us to

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get their renewals , um , several

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months in advance every year . So we're

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not seeing that kind of two year delay

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where we don't know what's happening .

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We're at least checking in on them once

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a year and I , I think that's all new

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to you guys being on the ball . Um ,

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they are 12 month permits . So if

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you're doing projects , make sure your

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contractor at least four months ahead

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of that is coming in to get their uh ,

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renewal . So if they do submit a

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renewal , like these guys , I mentioned

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that are waiting for renewal since

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March . As long as they turn in the

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application on time , no one's gonna go

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out . No one's gonna try to stop the

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project . If it's something that's

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being held up by us , not , they can

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review it next . Yes , sir . Um , I

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got a question on back clear . Was that

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on back clearances ?

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Yes . Ok . Ok . I

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guess the question is , is that covered

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under the conditional permit . Yes .

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Yeah , they got a conditional permit

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there . We only get that out . They

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have a , a good erosion control plan .

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So once you have that erosion control

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plan and , and your best man , the

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product are in place , you can dig up

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whatever you want . We don't care .

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Right . That's between you guys and a

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contractor at that point . As long as

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those , the road control B MP S are in

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place , they can be met , they can dig

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a hole of China , they can do whatever

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they want as long as they come back in

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to get that full approval before they

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start building the buildings . Ok ? Yes ,

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sir . Um Regarding all

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uh all the issues by uh

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that first receive A BB A , um

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they have to and I think that

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uh 10 months and we can

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still . Ok .

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No , I'm not sure , I'm not sure I call ,

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can you uh uh we have a , we have a ,

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we have a project so she ,

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she called the old uh the

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old uh from UK and then uh

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uh uh the one that uh

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and before that ,

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and they have something that they need

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traditionally for work on the

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documentation that you need for uh the

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BP A and that's still uh

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the conductor can still work or they

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will hold everything on the day , but

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they don't . So if they don't have a

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permit from us , a conditional permit ,

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they're not supposed to be doing

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anything Right . Um Because that's the ,

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that's the final thing , right ? We

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issue a permit when we either get

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everything that we've asked for from

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them . We've settled all those design

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problems or we've given them permission

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to at least do the partial construction .

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And a lot of these guys , when we see

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them struggling , we will offer them

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this partial construction permit , this

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conditional permit . Uh but even within

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like a P 3000 who's on P 3000 here ,

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three jobs . So those guys still to

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this day have not given us an erosion

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of subject control plan that , that

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addresses the comments that I gave them

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like 10 months ago . So at some point ,

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my sympathy dries up completely . And

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with those guys , it's gone . I have

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zero sympathy because we've offered

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that to them . They can just get the

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erosion , erosion , sediment control

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plan is the simplest thing in the world .

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It's Silk Fence and it's a sediment

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basin . That's it . I'm gonna tell you

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what the calculation is . 5500 square

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feet or cubic feet per acre , right ?

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Um So if they start construction

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already , they're technically in

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violation . We had the meeting with on

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my office . Well , you guys are in

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violation . Uh So that's , that's the

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deal with the P 3000 . But yes , to

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answer your question , if they give us

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some things , if they at least give us

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the erosion control plan , they can get

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started . But if they don't resolve all

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the other technical issues , we , we

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can't give them permission and I , the ,

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the prices that these heads are

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charging them out of money , that they

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pay federal taxpayer money and the

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contract conditions that require to do

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this work . I don't see why they can't

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give us this information . You know ,

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there's sometimes that we're slow

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reviewing , that's for sure . Um But in

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this case , we've gone back and forth

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with the same contract . I don't know

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how many times , but that's ok . I'm

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not holding against any of you guys can

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do what I wanna talk to . Ok . There we

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go . Yeah , III I

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think a lot of these guys , I think

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they understand it very quickly . I

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think that they are short on people . I

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think I , these guys especially , I

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think they've got , there's like a lot

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of contractors who they've hired some

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environmental specialists that are

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supposed to be doing this work for them

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who've never done this stuff before at

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all . They don't know if they're doing

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this . Just a staffing and uh skills

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issue . Thanks . Any other questions on

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those topics . We'll be getting into

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some of this a little bit more as we

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move on as we start talking about the

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GU EPA challenges . And so now when we

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talk about those , we can talk about

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now why there are so many delays and

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hopefully we can talk about what we're

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doing to try to improve the delays

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moving forward . Um as I mentioned last

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year HP is understaffed . Uh Many

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people are doing multiple jobs , you

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know , I , I'm like everyone else in

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Guam . I'm actually , I've been for

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five years , I've been running the safe

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drinking water program also . In

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addition to doing this stuff , you just

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can't keep up . Um , possible . Guam UK

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is never gonna hire any engineers . If ,

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if you guys have engineering positions

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open and NAFA has engineering positions

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open , that's where the engineers are

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going . They're not going to Guam UK A .

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Um I think it's 42,000 now for the

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starting salary . It's just no engineer

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can come work for Guam Eta . Um We're

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not funded to do this work , we're

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funded to do other things . Uh EPA

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gives us grant money but it says , you

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know , we have work plans to go with

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that grant money that we're supposed to

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be doing things like helping GW A come

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up their list of projects for new sewer

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lines and stuff . Uh A lot of other

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issues . Uh I will go into the rest of

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those new line . Um This is just a uh

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estimate I put together uh last

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year about our staffing . So this

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column up here shows how many people

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are supposed to be in the water Vision

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program . One EPA . And I think it's

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supposed to be up to 14 engineers . Um

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This is how many we had in 2021 . This

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is how many we had last year . It's the

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same this year . So we're down to about

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six engineers total . Those engineers ,

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like I said , are also doing things

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like drinking water programs . They're

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permitting all the wells , they're

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doing all this other stuff . Uh I'm

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trying to corral them to new design

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reviews at the same time . Um but

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they're all uh within 2 to 4 years of

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retirement , every single one of them

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that was two years ago . So they were

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all in 1 to 3 years of retirement right

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now and I'm moving on myself . Uh , as

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I have mentioned to you guys , I'm

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moving on to my next assignment in just

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a couple of months . So it's not

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getting any better long epa , in fact ,

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it's getting worse as we move along in

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terms of staffing nexus , our current

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load uh has been getting steadily uh

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higher . Uh But I've been keeping this

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from these records since the middle of

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2019 and you can see the , the dash

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line is Excel's attempt at showing

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trend . So we've got , you know , we ,

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we see a steady increase in permit lo

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uh Thanks . And then here's the big one

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that's been really difficult . These

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are uh military permit actions . Um

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This is the total number of permits we

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do per month . And then over there it

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is as a percent of all the other uh

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design reviews and stuff that we do .

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Um Last year , about this time , last

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year , we saw a sudden jump and work

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and it stayed up pretty high . Uh So

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the military permit that has gone up

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enormously . And even though this is a

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small percentage of what we do on a

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daily basis , a military permit is a ,

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is worth about 30 or 40 civilian

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permits just in terms of the amount of

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paper that you have to , the amount of

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drawing sheets , you have to look

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through the amount of the vod you have

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to read and all that . So this has been

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a , a big change for the Guam up a

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staff to try to keep up with this and

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it's uh it's not gonna get any better .

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I think we , I'm surprised it had

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tipped down there this year . I I know

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you guys have a whole bunch of things

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in the pipeline that are coming soon .

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Uh I know we have a stuff , a bunch of

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stuff in our uh key plans and it's ,

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it's mostly because of our experience

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finding all these injection wells

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scattered all over these facilities and

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also trying to make sure that we're

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doing our uh wastewater pretreatments

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because we don't know what's happening

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in a building and we don't know that

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there is a uh a maintenance room or

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something like that or some sort of a

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repair shop . Uh And we're not doing

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our job so how to prevent delays again .

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Uh Give us all the documents , just

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give it to us all . It's , it's a lot .

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I understand . We don't need to see all

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the specifications , but we need to see

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all the drawings based in design . Um

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There's something we don't look at

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necessarily though . We don't need to

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see the communication design . We need

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to see that stuff . We don't need to

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see anything that we're not authorized

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to see . Um I just don't assume that we

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don't need to see it a lot of times the

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contractor will come in . Not only just

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with the civil plans , only , they'll

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only take out maybe 10 sheets of the

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civil plan to give us that . Like what

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we thought this is all you need to see .

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You know , you need to see a lot more

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than that . They gave us the plans that

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we want to see uh the full uh site

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civil plans and basis of design . Uh

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just all the civil plans , the

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architectural plans , uh the plumbing

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plans and mechanical plans and you see

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there , I know there that a four drain

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type into a drywall is an injection .

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Well , one

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thing that we're still seeing a lot and

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I think we saw this , especially on P

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3000 , right ? Is uh the erosion

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settlement control plan that's , that's

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supposed to be an engineer drawing ,

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that's not supposed to just be the

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previous engineer site plan with the

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contractor working inside Adobe PDF and

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drawing red squares on top of things

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and typing things on it . And that's

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what we're seeing right . We've still

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got the engineer stamp on there who was

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drawing the original plan , but that

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engineer had nothing at all to do with

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that erosion control plan . Uh Qupas

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regulations require that and it's just

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professional practice . No contractor

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should be turning in any kind of a

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design does not stand by an engineer .

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I'm sure the contractor laid down the

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stockpiling area to serve in that plan .

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Again . That's a lot better . Now ,

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talk about segment basic sizing . Um ,

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last year we implemented the erosion

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set and control training , uh ,

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certification requirements . The

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contractors have all done a great job .

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They're all coming into it now with

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their site certificates . And I'm kind

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of curious if you guys have seen an

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improvement in compliance on site . Now

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that you guys totally have the training .

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Have you noticed any better

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installation of SV , any better

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maintenance of basic ? It's better .

56:42.389 --> 56:44.611
Yeah , I would hope so because that's a

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good class . When you attend that class ,

56:46.945 --> 56:46.790
everyone I've talked to has attended

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the class like , oh , now I understand

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this . I'm gonna do a good job of this .

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Hope that solid waste planners from

56:55.270 --> 56:57.530
here . Um , make sure that those things

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are alternative of the application ,

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make sure that they match the facility ,

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you say when you disposal to make sure

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that's the same one . I'm hoping that

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this gets easier to deal with them

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stormwater , uh design players . Uh

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It's an in depth engineering thing . Uh

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I made this long presentation you guys

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don't even wanna see . But , uh , we

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could go into that . Uh , but we do

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have the designer new checklist there .

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Our manuals are all available on our

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website . At the very least we can put

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these slides together and put them on

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our website as well . Um , and some of

57:27.620 --> 57:29.787
the best application I've seen , which

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I don't know if I've got a picture of

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that I saw . I know if you don't have

57:34.009 --> 57:36.176
it , but some of these contractors are

57:36.176 --> 57:37.953
getting , the , the engineering

57:37.953 --> 57:39.953
contractors are getting really good

57:39.953 --> 57:41.898
with these uh basis of designs are

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turning into us and they're showing the

57:41.669 --> 57:44.179
site , they're showing color coded all

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the different drainage areas . They're

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showing us on that same plan exactly

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what the water quality volume is and

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how it's met and what volume provide us .

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So it's about a five minute review when

57:56.000 --> 57:58.167
they do that kind of thing for me . As

57:58.167 --> 58:00.167
opposed to sometimes two or 35 hour

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review if I have to dig through and

58:02.167 --> 58:06.020
find all that . Ok . Um All our

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manuals are all on our website WM epa

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uh or on the , the regulation or the

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pilot and loss website . I think our

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website was down last week built

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again , uh full versus partial

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construction member . So we went

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through that in some retail question or

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A R . All right , thanks .

58:31.989 --> 58:34.169
Uh , renewal permit . So we're trying

58:34.179 --> 58:36.346
to make this a lot easier now , like I

58:36.346 --> 58:38.346
mentioned we , it's just ridiculous

58:38.346 --> 58:40.568
that we have renewal permits sitting in

58:40.568 --> 58:39.979
the queue for months and months at a

58:39.989 --> 58:43.020
time . Uh , we're trying to get that to

58:43.030 --> 58:45.197
the point where all they have to do is

58:45.197 --> 58:47.252
submit a new application . Um , it's

58:47.252 --> 58:49.308
very , it's a one page application .

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Very simple . Pay the fee and we just

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give them a one page renewal letter .

58:53.530 --> 58:53.270
Basically , that's what we're trying to

58:53.280 --> 58:55.530
get it down to . We've got that uh

58:55.540 --> 58:57.959
about 99% of the way there just getting

58:57.969 --> 59:00.136
the . So guys to agree to this , which

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they , I think they have uh for a

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partial permit though . As long as a uh

59:05.411 --> 59:07.629
a conditional permit doesn't be only ,

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we don't issue renewals of that because

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we expect them within 12 months to come

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in and get that whole design approval .

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Thanks . All right .

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Any questions on that um at

59:21.969 --> 59:24.500
all . But otherwise I'm gonna jump into

59:24.510 --> 59:28.219
this uh ST design presentation , but it

59:28.229 --> 59:30.451
didn't sound like very many of you were

59:30.451 --> 59:34.280
interested in . I take a quick

59:34.459 --> 59:36.181
break or you guys have got any

59:36.181 --> 59:38.570
questions and I'll , I'll do some of

59:38.580 --> 59:40.691
the star design . So just so you guys

59:40.691 --> 59:43.379
can see uh you got some good designers

59:43.389 --> 59:45.360
out there and some that are , they

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could be doing more uh interesting

59:47.314 --> 59:49.481
designs or designs that will serve you

59:49.481 --> 59:51.648
guys longer term . See stuff that will

59:51.648 --> 59:53.870
probably fall up very quickly . I think

59:53.870 --> 59:56.092
we thought about that 10 minute break .

59:58.330 --> 01:00:00.850
Epa for I don't know at least four or

01:00:00.860 --> 01:00:03.120
five years , establishing a memorandum

01:00:03.129 --> 01:00:06.020
of agreement for cooper operation uh to

01:00:06.030 --> 01:00:08.530
help streamline and expedite some of

01:00:08.540 --> 01:00:11.290
our construction permitting processes .

01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:13.929
Uh And particularly with designer use .

01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.169
We've uh we've made some uh

01:00:16.179 --> 01:00:19.310
advancements in uh resources . We got

01:00:19.330 --> 01:00:21.725
in paycom funds to hire project

01:00:21.735 --> 01:00:24.175
engineers to actually do quality

01:00:24.185 --> 01:00:26.296
assurance and quality control of some

01:00:26.296 --> 01:00:29.175
of our um permits and design reviews

01:00:29.185 --> 01:00:32.044
are going into one EPA we've identified

01:00:32.054 --> 01:00:34.435
one candidate um that is not going

01:00:34.445 --> 01:00:36.389
through the hiring process . We're

01:00:36.389 --> 01:00:38.554
looking for another ee uh to help to

01:00:38.564 --> 01:00:40.764
help uh you know , with the staff that

01:00:40.774 --> 01:00:42.996
supplement some of what we're trying to

01:00:42.996 --> 01:00:44.996
do in terms of improvements that we

01:00:44.996 --> 01:00:47.625
want to be a . Um But on top of that ,

01:00:47.635 --> 01:00:49.754
we've also been trying to prioritize

01:00:50.080 --> 01:00:52.302
those uh projects that are , you know ,

01:00:52.302 --> 01:00:54.524
high in the national security ladder in

01:00:54.524 --> 01:00:56.840
terms of being able to uh complete

01:00:56.850 --> 01:00:59.800
their work . So uh each individual Roy

01:00:59.879 --> 01:01:03.129
or fiat has the ability to change the

01:01:03.139 --> 01:01:05.100
prioritization of , you know , the

01:01:05.110 --> 01:01:07.449
overall list . Uh However , they have

01:01:07.459 --> 01:01:10.239
to go through NAFA our ops . So uh

01:01:10.250 --> 01:01:13.284
Command Ekman is the arbitrator of

01:01:13.614 --> 01:01:16.764
which projects go above which um and

01:01:16.774 --> 01:01:19.885
he'll typically ask the , the Roys to

01:01:19.895 --> 01:01:22.117
basically say , what is your number one

01:01:22.117 --> 01:01:24.574
priority ? And then maybe the rack

01:01:24.614 --> 01:01:27.014
projects communicate that to Claire

01:01:27.304 --> 01:01:29.415
Barati who's actually uh a cap laws ,

01:01:29.415 --> 01:01:31.419
environmental person working at uh

01:01:31.429 --> 01:01:33.879
working with Q EPA on this priority

01:01:33.889 --> 01:01:36.399
list . And then you know , I review it ,

01:01:36.409 --> 01:01:38.465
just make sure that , you know , the

01:01:38.465 --> 01:01:40.631
the placement and priority is accurate

01:01:40.631 --> 01:01:42.800
based on uh direction that we received

01:01:42.810 --> 01:01:46.080
from J four J four staff . So that's

01:01:46.090 --> 01:01:48.201
one of the few ways that we can , you

01:01:48.201 --> 01:01:50.034
know , basically . So if you got

01:01:50.034 --> 01:01:52.090
something that's really , you know ,

01:01:52.090 --> 01:01:54.146
hot and it's at headquarters level ,

01:01:54.146 --> 01:01:56.368
people are very concerned , please push

01:01:56.368 --> 01:01:57.923
the button on the change in

01:01:57.923 --> 01:01:59.923
prioritization . We'll help you out

01:01:59.923 --> 01:02:02.090
with that process . But that is , that

01:02:02.090 --> 01:02:04.774
is a process that goes through uh NAS

01:02:04.834 --> 01:02:07.370
comme , do you have any of these to a

01:02:07.419 --> 01:02:11.270
that no other than you and you're not

01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.120
on microphone , please . The knocking

01:02:14.129 --> 01:02:17.620
out on the shower . Uh We , I think the

01:02:17.629 --> 01:02:19.573
biggest thing that can help on EPA

01:02:19.573 --> 01:02:21.740
right now is getting those pe s that I

01:02:21.740 --> 01:02:23.685
mentioned . So we got one which is

01:02:23.685 --> 01:02:25.685
great and hopefully get that person

01:02:25.685 --> 01:02:27.851
started soon . We can train them , get

01:02:27.851 --> 01:02:27.469
them up and going . You call that

01:02:27.479 --> 01:02:29.257
quality assurance . Basically ,

01:02:29.257 --> 01:02:31.423
basically , they're gonna be doing the

01:02:31.423 --> 01:02:33.535
design and you and the current review

01:02:33.535 --> 01:02:35.646
for the one EPA and then providing uh

01:02:35.646 --> 01:02:37.868
that checklist we talked about as their

01:02:37.868 --> 01:02:37.659
final product and then they have to

01:02:37.669 --> 01:02:39.836
build up some trust with people on EPA

01:02:39.836 --> 01:02:41.836
folks to see that they , they trust

01:02:41.836 --> 01:02:44.002
that they did a good review , but that

01:02:44.002 --> 01:02:46.169
should speed things up a lot . I think

01:02:46.169 --> 01:02:46.040
with two Pe s on board , we can keep up

01:02:46.050 --> 01:02:48.161
with all the work that's coming I , I

01:02:48.161 --> 01:02:50.161
really do think that it's just if I

01:02:50.161 --> 01:02:52.272
could do it all myself 24 hours a day

01:02:52.272 --> 01:02:54.217
or even just eight hours a day , I

01:02:54.217 --> 01:02:56.383
could have kept up with this as well .

01:02:56.383 --> 01:02:58.328
So that's gonna be a big benefit .

01:02:58.328 --> 01:02:58.229
We've also got somebody starting as

01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.517
soon as just , uh , like clear . Right .

01:03:00.517 --> 01:03:02.683
It's gonna be like a admin person that

01:03:02.683 --> 01:03:04.739
helps us organize this and also keep

01:03:04.739 --> 01:03:07.080
track of this , uh , And I guess keeps

01:03:07.090 --> 01:03:09.810
track of this prior to this . So help

01:03:09.820 --> 01:03:12.969
help is coming . Um Unfortunately , it

01:03:12.979 --> 01:03:14.868
took some time and also took some

01:03:14.868 --> 01:03:17.090
convincing at the very high levels that

01:03:17.090 --> 01:03:19.201
this is something worthwhile . But as

01:03:19.201 --> 01:03:21.423
you can see from the statistics that uh

01:03:21.423 --> 01:03:23.701
you know , that were uh presented here ,

01:03:23.701 --> 01:03:26.035
this is something that will really help .

01:03:26.035 --> 01:03:27.923
Um you know , if , if the overall

01:03:27.923 --> 01:03:30.090
trajectory of the EPA staffing remains

01:03:30.090 --> 01:03:32.312
the same , this is gonna be critical to

01:03:32.312 --> 01:03:34.423
getting some of our stuff done . So ,

01:03:34.423 --> 01:03:36.535
but yeah , my , my thanks to Guam Epa

01:03:36.535 --> 01:03:38.368
Captain Burden , particularly in

01:03:38.368 --> 01:03:40.535
leadership at the EPA for , you know ,

01:03:40.535 --> 01:03:42.669
um entering into an mo a with us on

01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:44.735
this particular topic and you know ,

01:03:44.735 --> 01:03:46.901
seeing the results of all , all of our

01:03:46.901 --> 01:03:48.957
hard work . So , yeah , and we'll be

01:03:48.957 --> 01:03:51.068
trying to replace me with potentially

01:03:51.068 --> 01:03:53.179
another public health service officer

01:03:53.179 --> 01:03:55.346
if we can get one , as you guys know ,

01:03:55.346 --> 01:03:54.750
probably the engineers are short

01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:56.816
everywhere even in the public health

01:03:56.816 --> 01:03:58.927
service . So it might be tough to get

01:03:58.927 --> 01:04:01.149
somebody willing to come out here . Any

01:04:01.149 --> 01:04:04.560
questions , any

01:04:04.570 --> 01:04:07.110
questions on the uh collaborative uh

01:04:07.120 --> 01:04:09.449
agreement with one EPA and point of

01:04:09.459 --> 01:04:12.280
contact for either prioritization or

01:04:12.290 --> 01:04:14.600
trying to get your project . Uh you

01:04:14.610 --> 01:04:16.554
know , unstuck , you know , in the

01:04:16.554 --> 01:04:18.554
process , wait , check what you are

01:04:18.554 --> 01:04:20.909
referring to . Is that available ? Yes ,

01:04:20.989 --> 01:04:23.156
it's , yes , it's online . It's on the

01:04:23.156 --> 01:04:26.239
camp lo website . Uh Look up uh K Laws

01:04:26.250 --> 01:04:28.600
Environmental Program , just Google it .

01:04:28.610 --> 01:04:30.780
Uh We'll also distribute the lakes

01:04:30.810 --> 01:04:33.489
after the training um To , to all the

01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:35.556
resources that have been presented .

01:04:37.050 --> 01:04:40.350
Should we uh should we talk about the

01:04:40.889 --> 01:04:43.070
uh the upcoming potential changes to

01:04:43.080 --> 01:04:46.010
the , the timelines ? Oh , I still ,

01:04:47.580 --> 01:04:50.209
I'm sorry . All right , thanks . Sorry

01:04:50.219 --> 01:04:53.760
about that . Ok , so I'm gonna just

01:04:53.770 --> 01:04:56.090
kind of get into this , but I will cut

01:04:56.100 --> 01:04:58.267
it off a little early maybe before you

01:04:58.267 --> 01:05:00.378
get into too many details . Um What's

01:05:00.378 --> 01:05:03.489
our deadline here ? Now ? 3230 I would

01:05:03.500 --> 01:05:06.149
say earlier than that 30 or somewhere .

01:05:06.979 --> 01:05:09.146
Let us , we'll stop before we get into

01:05:09.146 --> 01:05:11.368
any of the details . I'll just give you

01:05:11.368 --> 01:05:10.649
kind of an overview of the stormwater

01:05:10.659 --> 01:05:12.881
design and maybe try to explain some of

01:05:12.881 --> 01:05:15.060
the things . I think it would be

01:05:15.070 --> 01:05:16.959
beneficial for you all to know as

01:05:16.959 --> 01:05:18.903
you're designing . These , I think

01:05:18.903 --> 01:05:21.126
there was some , some nice choices have

01:05:21.126 --> 01:05:23.014
been made . It is from , from the

01:05:23.014 --> 01:05:25.237
designer but not very practical choices

01:05:25.237 --> 01:05:27.570
for some of your projects . Uh Go ahead .

01:05:27.570 --> 01:05:29.514
Same stuff , same intro . OK . The

01:05:29.514 --> 01:05:31.737
overview on this presentation , which I

01:05:31.737 --> 01:05:31.409
won't go through the whole thing . It's

01:05:31.419 --> 01:05:33.469
just an overview of that CM I gu

01:05:33.620 --> 01:05:35.820
Stormwater manual with a focus on

01:05:35.830 --> 01:05:37.997
infiltration because that's what we do

01:05:37.997 --> 01:05:40.108
in northern Guam . Uh talk about some

01:05:40.108 --> 01:05:42.219
of the general requirements , some of

01:05:42.219 --> 01:05:44.386
the simplified criteria , calculations

01:05:44.386 --> 01:05:46.608
that may be developed and so many steps

01:05:46.608 --> 01:05:49.320
and observations from the um and I had

01:05:49.330 --> 01:05:51.441
to talk out U I CS and hotspots later

01:05:51.441 --> 01:05:54.969
we can . So next , so the way these

01:05:54.979 --> 01:05:56.979
manuals are structured and I'm just

01:05:56.979 --> 01:05:59.035
gonna kind of talk about the general

01:05:59.035 --> 01:06:01.035
structure . Uh Volume one is really

01:06:01.035 --> 01:06:03.201
just three chapters , but they're very

01:06:03.201 --> 01:06:05.035
big . Chapter one , introduction

01:06:05.035 --> 01:06:06.979
material . Chapter two has all the

01:06:06.979 --> 01:06:09.146
criteria and standards that have to be

01:06:09.146 --> 01:06:11.368
met including the way they are supposed

01:06:11.368 --> 01:06:13.590
to be calculated . And in chapter three

01:06:13.590 --> 01:06:13.260
is a listing of all the sub level

01:06:13.439 --> 01:06:16.040
stormwater B MP S um including a final

01:06:16.050 --> 01:06:17.939
section of what they call limited

01:06:17.939 --> 01:06:20.272
applicability B MP S , things like well ,

01:06:20.272 --> 01:06:22.439
water separators and things that could

01:06:22.439 --> 01:06:24.161
be combined with these to meet

01:06:24.161 --> 01:06:26.479
different criteria . The volume two of

01:06:26.489 --> 01:06:28.656
the manual has a whole bunch of design

01:06:28.656 --> 01:06:30.878
tools . It's got selection matrices for

01:06:30.878 --> 01:06:32.989
how you select B MP for a site . It's

01:06:32.989 --> 01:06:35.439
got um a chapter on better site designs .

01:06:35.449 --> 01:06:37.449
Essentially the same thing that you

01:06:37.449 --> 01:06:39.560
guys have with your L ID low and high

01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:41.782
development standards , you guys have L

01:06:41.782 --> 01:06:43.838
ID standards , right ? Um It's got a

01:06:43.838 --> 01:06:45.838
bunch of design examples and we run

01:06:45.838 --> 01:06:47.893
into a lot of engineers and do these

01:06:47.893 --> 01:06:47.699
big projects that don't , that aren't

01:06:47.709 --> 01:06:49.820
aware of this . They're like , well ,

01:06:49.820 --> 01:06:51.987
how do I design this thing ? They have

01:06:51.987 --> 01:06:51.560
a whole design example that steps you

01:06:51.570 --> 01:06:53.792
through every point , every step of the

01:06:53.792 --> 01:06:55.959
way . Uh It's got landscaping guidance

01:06:55.959 --> 01:06:58.679
and specifications , maintenance plans ,

01:06:58.689 --> 01:07:01.060
uh chapter on soils and then a bunch of

01:07:01.070 --> 01:07:03.181
uh stuff on the engine that are rusty

01:07:03.181 --> 01:07:05.292
on some of those materials . It's got

01:07:05.292 --> 01:07:07.348
equations and how you do some of the

01:07:07.348 --> 01:07:10.199
calculations of the fact . Thanks . So ,

01:07:10.209 --> 01:07:13.360
getting into uh the actual criteria ,

01:07:13.370 --> 01:07:15.703
what we're looking for on these designs .

01:07:15.703 --> 01:07:17.759
Uh If you go into the chapter two of

01:07:17.759 --> 01:07:20.169
the volume one , which is the criteria ,

01:07:21.050 --> 01:07:23.106
it's set up in a couple of different

01:07:23.106 --> 01:07:25.161
sections . One is erosion , sediment

01:07:25.161 --> 01:07:27.161
control requirements . And then the

01:07:27.161 --> 01:07:29.161
second one is the post construction

01:07:29.161 --> 01:07:31.272
stormwater management plans and under

01:07:31.272 --> 01:07:33.217
the erosion se control plans of 11

01:07:33.217 --> 01:07:35.439
general performance standards and under

01:07:35.439 --> 01:07:37.661
post construction , there's 13 plus the

01:07:37.661 --> 01:07:39.772
unified si sizing criteria which I'll

01:07:39.772 --> 01:07:42.310
talk about in a minute . Next on the

01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:44.487
erosion control side of things kind of

01:07:44.487 --> 01:07:46.598
the , there's a whole bunch of things

01:07:46.598 --> 01:07:46.290
in there . Um But the ones I wanted to

01:07:46.300 --> 01:07:48.467
highlight for you today were the , and

01:07:48.467 --> 01:07:50.578
this is one where I don't see much uh

01:07:50.578 --> 01:07:52.739
traction uh is the standard and this

01:07:52.750 --> 01:07:54.639
comes straight out of the federal

01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.806
guidelines for your NPDES construction

01:07:56.806 --> 01:07:58.583
general permit . As soon as the

01:07:58.583 --> 01:08:00.861
contractor finishes , work in any area ,

01:08:00.861 --> 01:08:02.972
any earthwork within 14 days , you're

01:08:02.972 --> 01:08:05.899
supposed to stabilize that soil . Um

01:08:05.909 --> 01:08:07.965
That could mean putting down mulch ,

01:08:07.965 --> 01:08:09.465
that's kind of an incident

01:08:09.465 --> 01:08:11.631
stabilization . It could be meaning it

01:08:11.631 --> 01:08:11.530
could be putting down t covering

01:08:11.540 --> 01:08:13.860
something , it could mean establishing

01:08:13.870 --> 01:08:16.148
an initial growth of grass and seeding .

01:08:16.148 --> 01:08:18.481
But we don't see people doing that much .

01:08:18.509 --> 01:08:22.310
Um I saw huge portions of camps remain

01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:25.600
just bare dirt for years at a time and

01:08:25.609 --> 01:08:27.665
walked into the nice po he basically

01:08:27.665 --> 01:08:30.450
talking about seven of the traps of

01:08:30.459 --> 01:08:32.792
basins . I don't spend any time on them .

01:08:32.792 --> 01:08:35.015
We talk about that . The sizing is very

01:08:35.015 --> 01:08:37.015
easy . Um , but we do require those

01:08:37.015 --> 01:08:39.181
where a silk fence is not enough . And

01:08:39.181 --> 01:08:41.181
speaking of silk fence , how do you

01:08:41.181 --> 01:08:41.020
know that ? That's not enough ? Right .

01:08:41.029 --> 01:08:42.959
The typical guidelines for a real

01:08:42.970 --> 01:08:46.390
gentle slope , like a 2% or 5% max

01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:48.799
slope , there's no more than 100 ft

01:08:48.810 --> 01:08:51.032
contributing to that silk fence . So if

01:08:51.032 --> 01:08:53.143
your site is bigger than 100 ft , you

01:08:53.143 --> 01:08:56.990
need cyber traps . Cer certification of

01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.000
the rose control training . I don't

01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.111
talk about that . The contractors had

01:09:01.111 --> 01:09:03.278
to give us that . Now , that's for the

01:09:03.278 --> 01:09:05.278
site superintendent . It's not just

01:09:05.278 --> 01:09:05.040
supposed to be for their environmental

01:09:05.049 --> 01:09:07.105
specialist that's on the site . It's

01:09:07.105 --> 01:09:09.271
supposed to be the guy that's managing

01:09:09.271 --> 01:09:11.438
that construction site . He's supposed

01:09:11.438 --> 01:09:11.279
to be the guy that knows what he's

01:09:11.290 --> 01:09:13.179
doing at the road so that you can

01:09:13.179 --> 01:09:15.457
direct his staff to do the right thing .

01:09:15.457 --> 01:09:17.123
Because we all know how these

01:09:17.123 --> 01:09:19.234
construction sites are . The e person

01:09:19.234 --> 01:09:21.234
usually doesn't have much problem .

01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.849
Thanks . Oh , sorry . The last time I ,

01:09:24.858 --> 01:09:27.025
I skipped over one of the best kind of

01:09:27.025 --> 01:09:28.914
practices have to be aggressively

01:09:28.914 --> 01:09:30.636
maintained . Right . So , um ,

01:09:30.636 --> 01:09:32.747
sometimes we don't see that sometimes

01:09:32.747 --> 01:09:34.858
we see Suan being knocked down or sit

01:09:34.858 --> 01:09:37.136
there . Um , some other pieces of that .

01:09:37.136 --> 01:09:39.660
Uh , we can go back . I have it ,

01:09:40.949 --> 01:09:43.116
namely , I'm sorry , I didn't know you

01:09:43.116 --> 01:09:45.171
were back post construction . I just

01:09:45.171 --> 01:09:47.338
hit a few highlights here as well . Uh

01:09:47.338 --> 01:09:50.128
There is a uh infer area maximum in the

01:09:50.139 --> 01:09:53.349
regulations or the uh standards for 70%

01:09:53.358 --> 01:09:55.798
maximum sites will be infer . I think

01:09:55.809 --> 01:09:57.698
all of clogs are designed to that

01:09:57.698 --> 01:09:59.476
standard . I think most of your

01:09:59.476 --> 01:10:01.642
projects on Anderson are also designed

01:10:01.642 --> 01:10:03.365
that and uh but there are some

01:10:03.365 --> 01:10:05.587
exceptions to that . Um mostly apply in

01:10:05.587 --> 01:10:07.753
urban areas , maybe not necessarily on

01:10:07.753 --> 01:10:10.970
a military base . Our B MP S are

01:10:10.979 --> 01:10:13.399
supposed to be removing 80% of total

01:10:13.410 --> 01:10:15.632
suspended solids , but the , that's not

01:10:15.632 --> 01:10:17.743
what we're looking at . We're looking

01:10:17.743 --> 01:10:19.966
at a design basically if it follows all

01:10:19.966 --> 01:10:21.966
the criteria in the manual and it's

01:10:21.966 --> 01:10:24.243
built properly and maintained properly ,

01:10:24.243 --> 01:10:26.466
assume the vex manager , um we can also

01:10:26.466 --> 01:10:28.466
require additional requirements for

01:10:28.466 --> 01:10:30.577
sensitive resources which exclusively

01:10:30.577 --> 01:10:33.660
uh calls out well protection areas and

01:10:33.669 --> 01:10:35.620
then hotspots have specific design

01:10:35.629 --> 01:10:37.629
requirements . I wanted to show you

01:10:37.629 --> 01:10:39.851
this picture up here and I don't have a

01:10:39.851 --> 01:10:41.851
lot of time to get into the details

01:10:41.851 --> 01:10:44.018
later . But I hear a lot of times from

01:10:44.018 --> 01:10:45.796
the designers and sometimes the

01:10:45.796 --> 01:10:48.018
instruction managers on a project where

01:10:48.018 --> 01:10:47.580
we say that's a hotspot that needs

01:10:47.589 --> 01:10:49.533
hotspot treatment like , well , we

01:10:49.533 --> 01:10:51.700
can't fit that in the site . This is a

01:10:51.700 --> 01:10:53.811
hotspot treatment system . This is an

01:10:53.811 --> 01:10:55.867
under pavement sand filter . You can

01:10:55.867 --> 01:10:57.922
fit it in your parking lot , you can

01:10:57.922 --> 01:11:00.145
fit it in a driveway . You've got these

01:11:00.145 --> 01:11:02.367
at a number of gas stations around long

01:11:02.367 --> 01:11:04.311
right now . These are great little

01:11:04.311 --> 01:11:04.310
systems . They , they serve as a oil

01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:06.652
water . Very simple oil water separator ,

01:11:06.652 --> 01:11:08.875
basically like a spill containment unit

01:11:08.875 --> 01:11:11.049
and a very easily and t sand filter

01:11:11.060 --> 01:11:13.338
inside it that just grating can remove .

01:11:13.338 --> 01:11:15.560
And the guys are getting that great the

01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:17.727
oil or whatever else is accumulated on

01:11:17.727 --> 01:11:19.560
that sand surface and you get an

01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:19.339
excellent treatment with those things .

01:11:20.089 --> 01:11:22.629
So you don't have to have another acre

01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.640
of land to do a hotspot treatment .

01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:26.696
These things can fit in a very tight

01:11:26.696 --> 01:11:28.751
area . They can fit along the uh the

01:11:28.751 --> 01:11:30.640
edge of a , of a dock , a wharf .

01:11:31.740 --> 01:11:35.259
Thanks . So in a , there's these

01:11:35.270 --> 01:11:37.430
four sizing criteria and we see a lot

01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.550
of engineers that all worked up about

01:11:39.550 --> 01:11:41.606
these . Um We have the water quality

01:11:41.606 --> 01:11:43.772
volume , we have the recharge volume .

01:11:43.772 --> 01:11:45.883
We have this thing called the channel

01:11:45.883 --> 01:11:47.995
protection volume . That's a one year

01:11:47.995 --> 01:11:50.106
storm . And we have this thing called

01:11:50.106 --> 01:11:52.106
the extended detention of over bank

01:11:52.106 --> 01:11:54.689
flood control volume . The QP 25 when

01:11:54.700 --> 01:11:56.811
you're in northern Gu and you're just

01:11:56.811 --> 01:11:58.867
gonna be infiltrating all your storm

01:11:58.867 --> 01:11:58.759
water . There's only two you have to

01:11:58.770 --> 01:12:01.048
worry about . And that's that last one .

01:12:01.048 --> 01:12:03.169
The GP 25 that's a 25 year storm

01:12:03.259 --> 01:12:05.399
because once you've got that 25 year

01:12:05.410 --> 01:12:07.521
storm , you cover all the other storm

01:12:07.521 --> 01:12:09.632
sizes . And then the other one is the

01:12:09.632 --> 01:12:11.743
water quality one because you do have

01:12:11.743 --> 01:12:13.688
to provide treatment ahead of that

01:12:13.688 --> 01:12:15.688
final Pawning Basement . That's the

01:12:15.688 --> 01:12:17.743
difference between the new manual uh

01:12:17.743 --> 01:12:19.743
and the old Army Corps of Engineers

01:12:19.743 --> 01:12:21.966
manual , which again was just a hole in

01:12:21.966 --> 01:12:21.720
the ground . You get rid of all your

01:12:21.729 --> 01:12:23.896
water in that hole in the ground . The

01:12:23.896 --> 01:12:25.618
difference here is that we are

01:12:25.618 --> 01:12:27.673
providing at least some treatment in

01:12:27.673 --> 01:12:29.729
many cases . The treatment is mostly

01:12:29.729 --> 01:12:31.840
just to prevent that honey Basin from

01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:33.896
clogging just by removing sediment .

01:12:33.896 --> 01:12:36.118
But in some cases on hot spots , you're

01:12:36.118 --> 01:12:38.173
also getting more quality , real hot

01:12:38.173 --> 01:12:40.118
water quality treatment . Thanks .

01:12:40.790 --> 01:12:42.734
That's a lot of quality volume for

01:12:42.734 --> 01:12:44.901
going . And you know , I thought I was

01:12:44.901 --> 01:12:46.846
doing like an engineer uh training

01:12:46.846 --> 01:12:49.068
session here today . So we'll skip that

01:12:49.068 --> 01:12:51.890
uh same thing with the QP 25 . Um I did

01:12:51.899 --> 01:12:53.955
want to talk about this a little bit

01:12:53.955 --> 01:12:55.732
because we , we get a lot of uh

01:12:55.732 --> 01:12:57.843
complaints from engineers and we even

01:12:57.843 --> 01:12:57.310
get complaints from like uh the

01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.541
University of Guam professors , most of

01:12:59.541 --> 01:13:01.486
the GIS professors and they're not

01:13:01.486 --> 01:13:03.541
engineers , right ? Like why are you

01:13:03.541 --> 01:13:05.819
using this number ? This 20 inch storm ?

01:13:05.819 --> 01:13:07.763
That's not the number . Here's the

01:13:07.763 --> 01:13:09.875
correct number . It says Noah Isis 14

01:13:09.875 --> 01:13:11.986
is 13.1 inches . That's the 25 year ,

01:13:11.986 --> 01:13:15.290
24 hour storm . And so we , that number ,

01:13:15.299 --> 01:13:17.521
our 20 inches were usually did not just

01:13:17.521 --> 01:13:19.521
come out of thin air . Um When this

01:13:19.521 --> 01:13:21.688
manual was put together 20 years ago .

01:13:21.688 --> 01:13:23.910
Now we work with the University of Guam

01:13:23.910 --> 01:13:26.077
Mark Lander . You go to the next slide

01:13:26.077 --> 01:13:27.799
and he put together a rainfall

01:13:27.799 --> 01:13:30.020
announcement for us and he went back

01:13:30.029 --> 01:13:32.085
and looked at all the actual data in

01:13:32.085 --> 01:13:34.560
Guam and basically found out that the

01:13:34.569 --> 01:13:36.791
way the Army Corps of Engineers does it

01:13:36.791 --> 01:13:39.339
the way noa does it , the way the Nr CS

01:13:39.350 --> 01:13:42.060
USDA does it , they're completely

01:13:42.069 --> 01:13:44.540
missing these typhoons that we get in

01:13:44.549 --> 01:13:47.250
the Pacific that are really our 10 year

01:13:47.259 --> 01:13:50.740
plus storm , right ? This dash line

01:13:50.750 --> 01:13:54.000
here basically is the calculation that

01:13:54.009 --> 01:13:56.359
Nova and Nr CS Army Corps of Engineers

01:13:56.370 --> 01:13:58.037
use to calculate their return

01:13:58.037 --> 01:14:01.620
frequencies or storms . The black

01:14:01.629 --> 01:14:05.390
dots are actual data from walk , right ?

01:14:06.140 --> 01:14:08.140
So you can see as you go out on one

01:14:08.140 --> 01:14:10.362
block here is your larger storms coming

01:14:10.362 --> 01:14:12.473
out this side and your return periods

01:14:12.473 --> 01:14:14.640
up here , you can see that your longer

01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.696
return period storms up these really

01:14:16.696 --> 01:14:18.862
high rainfall amounts and the way this

01:14:19.259 --> 01:14:21.203
works is they used to come up with

01:14:21.203 --> 01:14:23.426
these numbers with the no chart because

01:14:23.426 --> 01:14:25.537
basically it's a lot of R big scale ,

01:14:25.537 --> 01:14:25.189
right ? But it draws a straight line of

01:14:25.240 --> 01:14:27.073
a lot of them and you with these

01:14:27.073 --> 01:14:29.296
numbers and all up there on those green

01:14:29.296 --> 01:14:31.629
stars and they're completely inaccurate .

01:14:31.629 --> 01:14:33.740
So if you're really trying to protect

01:14:33.740 --> 01:14:35.962
the site , especially a critical site ,

01:14:35.962 --> 01:14:37.518
like a runway or a military

01:14:37.518 --> 01:14:39.573
installation from storms , you don't

01:14:39.573 --> 01:14:41.740
wanna be using them know numbers . You

01:14:41.740 --> 01:14:41.290
wanna be using numbers that are based

01:14:41.299 --> 01:14:44.399
on actual Pacific Island conditions and

01:14:44.410 --> 01:14:46.466
that's where those numbers come from

01:14:46.466 --> 01:14:48.577
out there . So Mark Liner , you go to

01:14:48.577 --> 01:14:50.632
the next slide , Mark Lander came up

01:14:50.632 --> 01:14:52.688
with this 20 inch storm based on his

01:14:52.688 --> 01:14:54.799
charting of that , especially looking

01:14:54.799 --> 01:14:56.854
at specific storms that it take long

01:14:56.854 --> 01:15:00.600
and CMM . I just this year we got uh I

01:15:00.609 --> 01:15:02.553
was following the National weather

01:15:02.553 --> 01:15:04.720
service teaching site and they came up

01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:07.520
with some more recent data that updates

01:15:07.529 --> 01:15:09.751
because this , this manual put together

01:15:09.751 --> 01:15:11.918
in like 2003 . There's two storms that

01:15:11.918 --> 01:15:13.973
have happened since 2003 that I have

01:15:13.973 --> 01:15:16.620
hit that 20 inch mark on Guam . One was

01:15:16.629 --> 01:15:19.919
uh typhoon te team in 2004 and one was

01:15:19.930 --> 01:15:22.152
uh Mayar . And this year it was over 20

01:15:22.160 --> 01:15:24.327
inches , we got out of that storm . So

01:15:24.370 --> 01:15:26.426
this is not just some extreme number

01:15:26.430 --> 01:15:28.486
that uh Professor Eog came up with .

01:15:28.486 --> 01:15:30.541
These are the actual numbers that we

01:15:30.541 --> 01:15:32.597
see . And so when you're designing a

01:15:32.597 --> 01:15:34.763
site on northern walk and you guys all

01:15:34.763 --> 01:15:37.041
know northern walk , there's no rivers ,

01:15:37.041 --> 01:15:39.263
there's no streams , whatever floods on

01:15:39.263 --> 01:15:39.140
your site is gonna go to that little

01:15:39.149 --> 01:15:41.205
spot and it might be your neighbor's

01:15:41.205 --> 01:15:42.982
house or it might be a critical

01:15:42.982 --> 01:15:45.093
military facility and it's gonna stay

01:15:45.093 --> 01:15:47.316
there . So you have to know what you're

01:15:47.316 --> 01:15:46.390
designing for to make sure you don't

01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:48.621
flood it . I want to spend some time on

01:15:48.621 --> 01:15:52.229
that . Um , again , I think that that

01:15:52.240 --> 01:15:54.351
number probably really mostly matters

01:15:54.351 --> 01:15:56.296
for sizing that base and if you're

01:15:56.296 --> 01:15:58.462
doing things like sizing it , like you

01:15:58.462 --> 01:16:00.629
can probably use the knowing number so

01:16:00.629 --> 01:16:02.962
that a different type of issue . Thanks .

01:16:02.962 --> 01:16:06.959
Uh The manual really focuses on , I

01:16:06.970 --> 01:16:09.220
don't wanna , if I see people falling

01:16:09.229 --> 01:16:12.229
asleep , I'll stop . But the way the

01:16:12.240 --> 01:16:14.462
manual is written , we had a contractor

01:16:14.462 --> 01:16:16.796
that came from the east coast of the US .

01:16:16.796 --> 01:16:18.796
And he wrote this manual based on a

01:16:18.796 --> 01:16:20.907
different type of geography , right ?

01:16:20.907 --> 01:16:22.740
He wrote it based on places that

01:16:22.740 --> 01:16:24.740
discharge the river like the Toland

01:16:24.740 --> 01:16:26.684
River . I think this guy came from

01:16:26.684 --> 01:16:28.796
Maryland . Um And so there's a method

01:16:28.796 --> 01:16:30.962
in there that shows you how you design

01:16:30.962 --> 01:16:33.129
a basin . And a lot of the engineers I

01:16:33.129 --> 01:16:35.129
want are using that method and it's

01:16:35.129 --> 01:16:37.129
totally wrong . It is based on this

01:16:37.129 --> 01:16:39.296
scenario where you are trying to match

01:16:39.296 --> 01:16:42.160
preve flow out of a pipe into a river

01:16:43.299 --> 01:16:45.299
in northern Guam . As I mentioned ,

01:16:45.299 --> 01:16:47.466
that's how things work , right ? Uh If

01:16:47.466 --> 01:16:49.743
you had a site before you developed it ,

01:16:49.743 --> 01:16:51.966
like look at this golf course , right ?

01:16:51.966 --> 01:16:54.021
There's really no clear if you had a

01:16:54.021 --> 01:16:53.810
big storm , where is the water gonna

01:16:53.819 --> 01:16:56.041
flow off ? You don't really know what's

01:16:56.041 --> 01:16:57.930
gonna , probably a sheep flow off

01:16:57.930 --> 01:16:57.839
everywhere you , everywhere you go .

01:16:59.089 --> 01:17:01.200
But after you build it , it will fall

01:17:01.200 --> 01:17:03.367
off somewhere , right ? Because you're

01:17:03.367 --> 01:17:03.310
gonna put in your grazes and you're put

01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.430
a pavement and there's gonna probably

01:17:05.430 --> 01:17:07.541
be a Ponting base and that Ponty Base

01:17:07.541 --> 01:17:09.597
is gonna spill over in a big storm .

01:17:09.597 --> 01:17:09.509
And where is that gonna go ? It's

01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:11.687
probably not gonna go where it used to

01:17:11.687 --> 01:17:13.853
go before the storm . It might go into

01:17:13.853 --> 01:17:15.909
somebody's backyard . So you have to

01:17:15.909 --> 01:17:18.076
think about these things differently .

01:17:18.076 --> 01:17:17.979
Um So what we've done is we've come up

01:17:17.990 --> 01:17:20.101
and go to the next slide , we come up

01:17:20.101 --> 01:17:22.157
with a different way to do this . Um

01:17:24.169 --> 01:17:27.279
Like go back to that last , we call it

01:17:27.290 --> 01:17:29.234
a different way to do this . Uh In

01:17:29.234 --> 01:17:31.401
Northern Guam has been working with uh

01:17:31.401 --> 01:17:33.568
a few of the engine here on the island

01:17:33.568 --> 01:17:35.679
and professor at Uog uh where it is a

01:17:35.679 --> 01:17:37.568
very , very simple method of just

01:17:37.568 --> 01:17:39.512
basically disposing of that entire

01:17:39.512 --> 01:17:41.679
volume through your colony basin . But

01:17:41.679 --> 01:17:43.790
now you go to the next slide . So the

01:17:43.790 --> 01:17:43.589
question now is if you're designing

01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:45.656
these things , do you dispose of the

01:17:45.656 --> 01:17:47.711
entire volume or do you go ahead and

01:17:47.711 --> 01:17:49.933
calculate what you used to have on site

01:17:49.933 --> 01:17:51.933
to take that delta , the difference

01:17:51.933 --> 01:17:51.910
between preve and post development ?

01:17:53.180 --> 01:17:55.458
And so we come on the basic rule Right .

01:17:55.458 --> 01:17:57.680
So if you are discharging to some sort

01:17:57.689 --> 01:17:59.911
of a drainage system that goes to a big

01:17:59.911 --> 01:18:02.022
Pawnee base somewhere like the Pawnee

01:18:02.022 --> 01:18:04.133
base at Camp Lo you can design to the

01:18:04.133 --> 01:18:06.078
delta because then the overflow is

01:18:06.078 --> 01:18:08.078
controlled , you're not gonna flood

01:18:08.078 --> 01:18:10.189
anyone's critical facilities . If you

01:18:10.189 --> 01:18:13.299
are not , if your site's just a stand

01:18:13.310 --> 01:18:15.310
alone site and you're just going to

01:18:15.310 --> 01:18:17.532
build a basin and you don't really know

01:18:17.532 --> 01:18:19.643
where it's gonna go out of that . You

01:18:19.643 --> 01:18:19.439
should try to design it to dispose of

01:18:19.450 --> 01:18:21.617
that entire 20 inch storm and it's not

01:18:21.617 --> 01:18:23.672
as big as you might think . Thanks .

01:18:24.120 --> 01:18:26.287
And so this is the calculation we came

01:18:26.287 --> 01:18:28.342
up with . It is way simpler than the

01:18:28.342 --> 01:18:30.398
method of the manual . You just take

01:18:30.398 --> 01:18:32.176
the volume of your runoff , you

01:18:32.176 --> 01:18:34.176
subtract the volume of infiltration

01:18:34.176 --> 01:18:36.287
through that basin and that gives you

01:18:36.287 --> 01:18:38.509
the size of your case because extremely

01:18:38.509 --> 01:18:38.350
simple . We have this on spreadsheets

01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:40.359
that we can share with people . You

01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:42.137
guys wanna review the work your

01:18:42.137 --> 01:18:42.040
designers are doing , do their

01:18:42.049 --> 01:18:44.160
spreadsheet to check their work right

01:18:45.759 --> 01:18:47.815
next . I , I don't want to spend too

01:18:47.815 --> 01:18:50.419
much time . You skip this . This is a

01:18:50.430 --> 01:18:52.652
simplified method . This is a , you can

01:18:52.652 --> 01:18:54.763
put in a spreadsheet very easy to put

01:18:54.763 --> 01:18:56.859
in a spreadsheet . Next . Next .

01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.600
So um selection the best amount of

01:19:00.609 --> 01:19:02.776
practices I did want to spend a little

01:19:02.776 --> 01:19:04.831
bit of time on this because I do see

01:19:04.831 --> 01:19:04.600
things once in a while that don't make

01:19:04.609 --> 01:19:06.442
sense to me . Um But they're not

01:19:06.442 --> 01:19:08.609
illegal . So we just let them go ahead

01:19:08.609 --> 01:19:10.776
and then you guys get stuck with the ,

01:19:10.776 --> 01:19:12.942
the long term performance . Uh There's

01:19:12.942 --> 01:19:15.165
in volume two of the mandal , there's a

01:19:15.165 --> 01:19:17.970
whole bunch of these tables that by

01:19:17.979 --> 01:19:20.035
different types of uses , right ? It

01:19:20.035 --> 01:19:22.257
tells you what type of best practice to

01:19:22.257 --> 01:19:24.423
select . This one here is probably the

01:19:24.423 --> 01:19:26.646
most useful it's by land use and I like

01:19:26.646 --> 01:19:28.812
this one because it's got a column for

01:19:28.812 --> 01:19:31.299
hot spots here . You see here along the

01:19:31.310 --> 01:19:34.330
side , you see BMV types . So if you're

01:19:34.339 --> 01:19:36.339
looking at a hotspot use here , for

01:19:36.339 --> 01:19:38.506
example , there are a lot of , there's

01:19:38.506 --> 01:19:40.783
a lot of hotspots on military projects .

01:19:40.783 --> 01:19:43.006
So I want to spend some time on this uh

01:19:43.006 --> 01:19:45.589
black dot reads no or C . Uh So you

01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:47.656
look here , this is the infiltration

01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:49.887
practices up here . Is there a pointer

01:19:50.009 --> 01:19:53.500
grow standard of standard that's fine

01:19:53.910 --> 01:19:56.870
um In practices are considered to not

01:19:56.879 --> 01:19:58.935
be a good hot spot treatment because

01:19:58.935 --> 01:20:01.046
the whole idea is that all your water

01:20:01.046 --> 01:20:03.268
is going down with the groundwater . So

01:20:03.268 --> 01:20:05.490
you want to treat it . So you move down

01:20:05.490 --> 01:20:07.657
here and you look at other things that

01:20:07.657 --> 01:20:09.823
are useful for a blood treatment . And

01:20:09.823 --> 01:20:11.935
you start seeing these circles in the

01:20:11.935 --> 01:20:14.046
numbers of circle of the one up there

01:20:14.046 --> 01:20:16.212
at the top of ponds and weapons . When

01:20:16.212 --> 01:20:18.435
they say a ponder , they need an actual

01:20:18.435 --> 01:20:20.657
web pond . Um A circle of the one is an

01:20:20.657 --> 01:20:22.712
acceptable option that may require a

01:20:22.712 --> 01:20:24.546
pond liner to reduce the risk of

01:20:24.546 --> 01:20:26.770
groundwater contamination . But we're

01:20:26.779 --> 01:20:28.723
not gonna be building any ponds or

01:20:28.723 --> 01:20:30.835
wetlands in northern Guam . It's just

01:20:30.835 --> 01:20:33.001
not the right place . So down here you

01:20:33.001 --> 01:20:35.001
got the circle with the two in it .

01:20:35.001 --> 01:20:37.223
What they say , those are an acceptable

01:20:37.223 --> 01:20:39.557
option , if not designed as an X filter .

01:20:39.557 --> 01:20:41.557
An X filter is a conventional storm

01:20:41.557 --> 01:20:43.890
water filter out and under drain system .

01:20:43.890 --> 01:20:46.112
So basically like a sand filter for you

01:20:46.112 --> 01:20:48.112
to let it drain out the bottom . So

01:20:48.120 --> 01:20:50.231
what you have here is you got all the

01:20:50.231 --> 01:20:52.564
filters , right ? You have sand filters ,

01:20:52.564 --> 01:20:54.787
organic filters , bio retention and the

01:20:54.787 --> 01:20:56.898
dry soil . So these end up being your

01:20:56.898 --> 01:20:59.120
main hotspot B MP S here . If you got a

01:20:59.120 --> 01:21:01.287
hotspot site and we'll try to get into

01:21:01.287 --> 01:21:03.509
what those look like here in the next .

01:21:05.799 --> 01:21:07.521
The mango has a whole bunch of

01:21:07.521 --> 01:21:09.632
different practices . We'll just skim

01:21:09.632 --> 01:21:09.370
through these real quick just so you

01:21:09.379 --> 01:21:11.435
can see that there's a lot more than

01:21:11.435 --> 01:21:13.490
just the con being ba that we talked

01:21:13.490 --> 01:21:15.712
about , which is really an infiltration

01:21:15.712 --> 01:21:17.768
basin . Next . So stormwater ponds ,

01:21:17.768 --> 01:21:19.935
there's a whole chapter in ponds about

01:21:19.935 --> 01:21:21.768
ponds . They get excellent water

01:21:21.768 --> 01:21:23.935
quality treatment , but they require a

01:21:23.935 --> 01:21:26.157
standing pool of water . And it's tough

01:21:26.157 --> 01:21:25.419
to get to northern Guam unless you put

01:21:25.459 --> 01:21:27.459
a liner , that's actually the rotor

01:21:27.459 --> 01:21:29.570
resort . It's not really a stormwater

01:21:29.570 --> 01:21:31.626
pond , but that's a golf course pond

01:21:31.626 --> 01:21:33.681
just 40 miles north from here . Next

01:21:35.290 --> 01:21:37.234
shallow marsh , stormwater weapons

01:21:37.234 --> 01:21:39.457
weapons also give excellent treatment .

01:21:39.457 --> 01:21:41.568
But again , it's not something you're

01:21:41.568 --> 01:21:41.250
gonna be able to design much of the

01:21:41.259 --> 01:21:43.203
northern long because water has to

01:21:43.203 --> 01:21:45.426
stand . Um , that's also from the Rotor

01:21:45.426 --> 01:21:47.481
Resort , but that's their wastewater

01:21:47.481 --> 01:21:47.060
treatment weapon . They had a really

01:21:47.069 --> 01:21:49.291
cool system there when they were open .

01:21:49.291 --> 01:21:51.649
Nice . Here's what we're gonna do now ,

01:21:51.660 --> 01:21:53.549
we see . All right , infiltration

01:21:53.549 --> 01:21:55.771
practices . That's just an infiltration

01:21:55.771 --> 01:21:57.993
basin . Um , the manual has a much more

01:21:57.993 --> 01:22:00.160
complicated design , but they can just

01:22:00.160 --> 01:21:59.990
be a hole in the ground basically ,

01:22:00.169 --> 01:22:03.669
right ? Uh filtration practices . I

01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:05.680
wanna show you guys a little bit of

01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:07.919
these uh bio retention is shown there .

01:22:07.930 --> 01:22:10.450
Uh Some people call these rain gardens .

01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:13.504
Well , I'll filtration it with the

01:22:13.504 --> 01:22:15.116
manual users because it's an

01:22:15.116 --> 01:22:17.227
engineering process , not just a last

01:22:17.227 --> 01:22:19.080
thing next and in open channel

01:22:19.089 --> 01:22:21.256
practices , things like swells . Um So

01:22:21.256 --> 01:22:23.311
these are not just ditches , right ?

01:22:23.311 --> 01:22:25.533
These are engineered swells of the soil

01:22:25.533 --> 01:22:28.620
component in the bottom of this . Um

01:22:28.629 --> 01:22:30.770
Each section of the chapter , each

01:22:30.779 --> 01:22:32.890
section of the mangle has a , a great

01:22:32.890 --> 01:22:35.001
amount of detail and it tells you how

01:22:35.001 --> 01:22:37.223
to apply these things next . Uh I'll go

01:22:37.223 --> 01:22:40.459
into that stuff . Uh But we'll talk

01:22:40.470 --> 01:22:42.637
about infiltration B MP S and why it's

01:22:42.637 --> 01:22:44.637
so important to know how this stuff

01:22:44.637 --> 01:22:44.140
works , right ? So this is what

01:22:44.149 --> 01:22:46.439
everybody uses . Uh And this all comes

01:22:46.450 --> 01:22:48.672
from our original manual developer back

01:22:48.672 --> 01:22:51.939
20 years ago . Uh infiltration , got a

01:22:51.950 --> 01:22:53.950
really bad reputation . Back in the

01:22:53.950 --> 01:22:56.061
seventies and eighties , maybe not so

01:22:56.061 --> 01:22:58.228
much out in Guam , but in other places

01:22:58.228 --> 01:23:00.450
it did , uh , mostly because they would

01:23:00.450 --> 01:23:00.410
clog up and fail real rapidly . And

01:23:00.419 --> 01:23:02.475
that does happen in Guam . We'll see

01:23:02.475 --> 01:23:05.140
that occasionally . Um , if you design

01:23:05.149 --> 01:23:07.316
it properly though , uh , the failures

01:23:07.316 --> 01:23:09.316
are reduced and that's part of what

01:23:09.316 --> 01:23:11.316
this manual is designed to do is to

01:23:11.316 --> 01:23:11.020
make sure these things are gonna last a

01:23:11.029 --> 01:23:14.790
long time . Uh It's a true post

01:23:14.830 --> 01:23:16.941
construction practice . But what they

01:23:16.941 --> 01:23:19.052
mean by that is that if you put it in

01:23:19.052 --> 01:23:21.274
during construction , you're gonna clog

01:23:21.274 --> 01:23:20.979
it up and it's gonna fail . And that's

01:23:20.990 --> 01:23:23.101
where I get worried with a lot of the

01:23:23.101 --> 01:23:25.212
project sites . I see around here and

01:23:25.212 --> 01:23:27.268
the contractors always wanna use the

01:23:27.268 --> 01:23:27.200
infiltration basin as the settlement

01:23:27.209 --> 01:23:30.430
basin and we've given them some leeway .

01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.606
And I said , well , you can do that if

01:23:32.606 --> 01:23:34.790
you , if your sedimentation ba can be

01:23:34.799 --> 01:23:36.966
under excavated to the point where you

01:23:36.966 --> 01:23:39.132
can come back and dig up maybe another

01:23:39.132 --> 01:23:41.299
foot or two now below it to get rid of

01:23:41.299 --> 01:23:43.466
all that clogged soil . Um But I'm not

01:23:43.466 --> 01:23:45.577
sure if that really uh protects it or

01:23:45.577 --> 01:23:47.743
not , but some of the sites are pretty

01:23:47.743 --> 01:23:47.640
small . So we love them to get away

01:23:47.649 --> 01:23:49.850
with it . Yes .

01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:54.222
Um Some of the things that are

01:23:54.222 --> 01:23:56.444
important in filtration systems is that

01:23:56.444 --> 01:23:59.080
pretreat is required and the pretreat

01:23:59.089 --> 01:24:01.311
uh uh hotpot is for water quality , but

01:24:01.311 --> 01:24:03.256
in most cases , it just to prevent

01:24:03.256 --> 01:24:05.620
clogging . Um and Guam BP A , if you

01:24:05.629 --> 01:24:07.740
look at the manual , it will tell you

01:24:07.740 --> 01:24:09.740
to go all the way up to 100% of the

01:24:09.740 --> 01:24:11.740
water quality vol for pretreatments

01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:14.660
based on our standard and infiltration

01:24:14.669 --> 01:24:17.169
range . We see here , right ? But we've

01:24:17.180 --> 01:24:19.291
determined , we talked to the guy who

01:24:19.291 --> 01:24:21.347
wrote the manual , we said , hey , I

01:24:21.347 --> 01:24:21.169
don't really see what the point of this

01:24:21.180 --> 01:24:23.291
is other than removing sediment . And

01:24:23.291 --> 01:24:25.013
if you design a segmentation ,

01:24:25.013 --> 01:24:24.970
basically , you come up with a much

01:24:24.979 --> 01:24:27.129
smaller volume . So we reduce that to

01:24:27.140 --> 01:24:29.419
just 25% of large quality volume . So

01:24:29.430 --> 01:24:31.770
if you don't have a hotspot site , you

01:24:31.779 --> 01:24:34.001
can get away with the 25% water quality

01:24:34.001 --> 01:24:36.223
volume of pretreat . But hot spots have

01:24:36.223 --> 01:24:37.870
to provide 100% . Thanks .

01:24:40.569 --> 01:24:42.910
Um Yeah , that's a , a slight um

01:24:42.919 --> 01:24:46.350
dimension of uh Wang's new rules that

01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:49.640
we've not let . And the manual also has

01:24:49.649 --> 01:24:52.290
a whole list of things you can do . In

01:24:52.299 --> 01:24:54.355
addition to a separate chamber , you

01:24:54.355 --> 01:24:56.466
can pick three of these other methods

01:24:56.466 --> 01:24:58.466
that are in there such as different

01:24:58.466 --> 01:25:00.521
layers of sand and you can go to the

01:25:00.521 --> 01:25:02.688
next slide . OK . This shows up here .

01:25:02.688 --> 01:25:04.799
This is something the angle . This is

01:25:04.799 --> 01:25:06.910
an infiltration train where the whole

01:25:06.910 --> 01:25:09.077
thing filled with gravel at the bottom

01:25:09.077 --> 01:25:11.243
has what they're calling a sand filter

01:25:11.243 --> 01:25:13.466
or the fabric equivalent . So basically

01:25:13.466 --> 01:25:15.632
just a filter fabric at the bottom and

01:25:15.632 --> 01:25:17.799
then the same thing up the top there ,

01:25:17.799 --> 01:25:19.966
it's got another layer of gravel . And

01:25:19.966 --> 01:25:21.966
the idea of those things , there is

01:25:21.966 --> 01:25:24.132
just to catch sediment before it clogs

01:25:24.132 --> 01:25:26.188
up so that you can be able to get in

01:25:26.188 --> 01:25:28.299
there , dig that up and replace it if

01:25:28.299 --> 01:25:30.410
you have a problem on site . And I've

01:25:30.410 --> 01:25:32.299
seen this in action . I've seen a

01:25:32.299 --> 01:25:34.410
couple of sites here where contractor

01:25:34.410 --> 01:25:36.521
didn't do erosion control when coming

01:25:36.521 --> 01:25:38.521
out . Uh One especially was a soaky

01:25:38.521 --> 01:25:40.688
hotel . You guys know where that is in

01:25:40.688 --> 01:25:42.910
two months . So when they were building

01:25:42.910 --> 01:25:42.649
that , right , when I got here , they

01:25:42.660 --> 01:25:44.604
didn't do any erosion controls and

01:25:44.604 --> 01:25:46.438
disaster , they were , they were

01:25:46.438 --> 01:25:48.660
discharging to the ocean . We find them

01:25:48.660 --> 01:25:50.771
like 100,000 bucks or something , but

01:25:50.771 --> 01:25:52.327
they had a , an underground

01:25:52.327 --> 01:25:54.549
infiltration chamber there and it had a

01:25:54.549 --> 01:25:56.882
12 inch layer , just real coarse gravel ,

01:25:56.882 --> 01:25:59.770
like one inch gravel . And uh all that

01:25:59.779 --> 01:26:01.390
sudden that washed into that

01:26:01.390 --> 01:26:03.501
infiltration chamber was all stuck in

01:26:03.501 --> 01:26:05.557
the top three or four inches of that

01:26:05.557 --> 01:26:07.612
graph . So it was really amazing how

01:26:07.612 --> 01:26:09.779
much I could remove and they were able

01:26:09.779 --> 01:26:11.946
to because of that . And they also had

01:26:11.946 --> 01:26:11.549
the , the filter fabric underneath it .

01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:14.160
They were able to pull that travel out ,

01:26:14.169 --> 01:26:16.336
wash it , reuse it and get rid of that

01:26:16.336 --> 01:26:18.336
filter fabric and replace it . They

01:26:18.336 --> 01:26:20.558
didn't use their infiltration chamber .

01:26:20.558 --> 01:26:22.502
So it's like an insurance policy ,

01:26:22.502 --> 01:26:26.459
right ? Thanks . Um table in

01:26:26.470 --> 01:26:28.692
the angle and it gives you infiltration

01:26:28.692 --> 01:26:30.692
rates that you can assume you don't

01:26:30.692 --> 01:26:32.914
have to do a measurement but , but it's

01:26:32.914 --> 01:26:35.081
based on soil texture and we're all in

01:26:35.081 --> 01:26:37.137
limestone up here . We're not in the

01:26:37.137 --> 01:26:36.950
soil . So , what do you use for

01:26:36.959 --> 01:26:39.169
limestone ? You use half of the

01:26:39.180 --> 01:26:41.458
measured infiltration rates here ? Gey ,

01:26:41.458 --> 01:26:43.680
do the infiltration rate . You just use

01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:47.339
half that . Next . There's not , I skip

01:26:47.350 --> 01:26:49.628
all that . I don't think you guys ever .

01:26:50.339 --> 01:26:54.319
Oh , you

01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.370
going ? That's fine . Let's just keep

01:26:57.419 --> 01:26:59.530
going . But one thing I don't want to

01:26:59.530 --> 01:27:01.697
talk about here , leave it on this one

01:27:01.697 --> 01:27:01.620
here . There , there's the , the ,

01:27:02.569 --> 01:27:04.625
there's a concept in the manual that

01:27:04.625 --> 01:27:06.569
they don't see . Many engineers go

01:27:06.569 --> 01:27:08.902
graphic . It's called offline treatment .

01:27:08.902 --> 01:27:08.549
So if you're doing water quality

01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:11.069
treatment , yeah , it's supposed to be

01:27:11.080 --> 01:27:13.930
doing an offline and here's offline

01:27:13.939 --> 01:27:16.106
versus offline , right ? So here's a ,

01:27:16.106 --> 01:27:18.217
this is an online chri . So what that

01:27:18.217 --> 01:27:20.328
means is that every inch of rain that

01:27:20.328 --> 01:27:22.161
falls on that site is gonna flow

01:27:22.161 --> 01:27:24.209
through that B MP . So whatever you

01:27:24.220 --> 01:27:26.109
might have accumulated in there ,

01:27:26.109 --> 01:27:28.164
sediments , oils , any other kind of

01:27:28.164 --> 01:27:30.109
contaminants , it's just gonna get

01:27:30.109 --> 01:27:32.331
flushed away every time it rains and go

01:27:32.331 --> 01:27:34.442
right into your infiltration base and

01:27:34.442 --> 01:27:36.664
all lines . On the other hand , so this

01:27:36.664 --> 01:27:38.776
has got something like a little weird

01:27:38.776 --> 01:27:40.887
blocking the channel . It will divert

01:27:40.887 --> 01:27:43.109
that first water quality volume , maybe

01:27:43.109 --> 01:27:45.220
the 1st 0.8 inches of brain into your

01:27:45.220 --> 01:27:47.331
water quality practice and any bigger

01:27:47.331 --> 01:27:47.129
storm will flow over the top of that

01:27:47.140 --> 01:27:49.084
weird and bypass it . So you don't

01:27:49.084 --> 01:27:51.307
flush out all those Intamin and I don't

01:27:51.307 --> 01:27:53.529
see that used by many of your engineers

01:27:53.529 --> 01:27:55.640
and we don't really hold them to it .

01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:57.751
We probably should and we're fighting

01:27:57.751 --> 01:27:56.790
so many battles . That's one that

01:27:56.799 --> 01:27:59.021
you've just given up , I guess . Um But

01:27:59.021 --> 01:28:01.132
that's something I'd like to see them

01:28:01.132 --> 01:28:03.355
using more often because it will help ,

01:28:03.355 --> 01:28:05.521
uh it will help keep your finding base

01:28:05.521 --> 01:28:08.779
working on your , uh We'll just skip

01:28:08.790 --> 01:28:11.012
this . We're gonna get into some of the

01:28:11.012 --> 01:28:14.970
PPO stuff . Um Thanks . So ,

01:28:14.979 --> 01:28:16.979
Stormwater hotspot . So this is one

01:28:16.979 --> 01:28:19.090
that comes up a lot . We get a lot of

01:28:19.090 --> 01:28:21.257
arguments from you guys as well as the

01:28:21.257 --> 01:28:23.750
engineers and what they say hotspot got

01:28:23.759 --> 01:28:26.049
two definitions of the manual . One's

01:28:26.060 --> 01:28:28.004
in the actual sectional hotspots ,

01:28:28.004 --> 01:28:30.171
one's from the glossary , they're both

01:28:30.171 --> 01:28:32.338
slightly different . Uh But what I try

01:28:32.338 --> 01:28:32.129
to tell people I talked to him is like ,

01:28:32.140 --> 01:28:34.196
yeah , just because it's not in that

01:28:34.196 --> 01:28:36.418
list of potential hotspots doesn't mean

01:28:36.418 --> 01:28:38.362
it's not a hotspot . It's , it's a

01:28:38.362 --> 01:28:40.649
concept , right ? So if your site has

01:28:40.660 --> 01:28:42.549
an activity that would generate a

01:28:42.549 --> 01:28:44.104
higher concentration of the

01:28:44.220 --> 01:28:46.750
hydrocarbons , metals , whatever . Um

01:28:46.759 --> 01:28:48.981
Then that's a hotspot , right ? Uh Just

01:28:48.981 --> 01:28:51.037
because it doesn't fall in that very

01:28:51.037 --> 01:28:52.815
short list of potential hotspot

01:28:52.815 --> 01:28:54.815
locations . I think that was on the

01:28:54.815 --> 01:28:57.037
next page where it like we try , here's

01:28:57.037 --> 01:28:59.259
the list that's in the manual . Uh Just

01:28:59.259 --> 01:29:01.370
because it's not on that list doesn't

01:29:01.370 --> 01:29:03.426
mean it's not a hot spot . Uh We had

01:29:03.426 --> 01:29:06.089
that with P 609 . Right . Who's P 609 ?

01:29:06.100 --> 01:29:08.211
We're just talking about that . We're

01:29:08.211 --> 01:29:10.211
talking about that . So there's a ,

01:29:10.211 --> 01:29:12.322
there's a spot there where it's going

01:29:12.322 --> 01:29:14.489
to be a , a fuel top off pad . Right .

01:29:14.489 --> 01:29:16.600
Very small pad . Which is good for us

01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:18.656
because you don't have to treat that

01:29:18.656 --> 01:29:18.629
area . And they like , well , it's not

01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:20.696
a permanent fueling pattern but it's

01:29:20.696 --> 01:29:22.807
just a temporary pattern . Well , the

01:29:22.807 --> 01:29:24.918
way I look at it , right is that it's

01:29:24.918 --> 01:29:27.084
fueling , this guy's gonna be spilling

01:29:27.084 --> 01:29:29.251
that fuel off and on , especially when

01:29:29.251 --> 01:29:28.259
they're topping things off , they're

01:29:28.270 --> 01:29:30.270
gonna be overflowing . Uh It's just

01:29:30.270 --> 01:29:32.437
gonna happen no matter how careful you

01:29:32.437 --> 01:29:34.220
are . And over time , all that

01:29:34.229 --> 01:29:36.118
petroleum is gonna soak into that

01:29:36.118 --> 01:29:37.896
concrete surface . It is not an

01:29:37.896 --> 01:29:40.229
permeable surface , I mean , supposedly ,

01:29:40.229 --> 01:29:42.229
but it will absorb , it will absorb

01:29:42.229 --> 01:29:44.396
oils and over time that will run off .

01:29:44.396 --> 01:29:46.396
And I think that anyone that's ever

01:29:46.396 --> 01:29:48.507
done stormwater inspections , right .

01:29:48.507 --> 01:29:50.618
And P DS inspections , you get around

01:29:50.618 --> 01:29:50.490
those types of sites and you see that

01:29:50.500 --> 01:29:52.667
sheen in the water nearby and then the

01:29:52.669 --> 01:29:54.947
EPA is like your energy for it , right ?

01:29:54.947 --> 01:29:57.002
So those are hot spots , right ? And

01:29:57.002 --> 01:29:57.000
that's what these are meant to handle

01:29:57.009 --> 01:29:59.009
like that . But that's a hot spot .

01:29:59.339 --> 01:30:01.228
Well , I'd like to hear any , any

01:30:01.228 --> 01:30:03.450
feedback you guys have . That's just my

01:30:03.450 --> 01:30:04.839
guidance more hospital .

01:30:07.870 --> 01:30:10.149
Ok . You provide a safe time . Ok .

01:30:10.299 --> 01:30:13.959
Nice . I was convinced that the me I

01:30:13.970 --> 01:30:15.859
was , I design hot spots and then

01:30:15.859 --> 01:30:18.081
there's that uh sand filter to the nice

01:30:18.081 --> 01:30:21.439
slide . Uh oh This , I was just gonna

01:30:21.450 --> 01:30:23.672
say that a hot sand filter . I combined

01:30:23.672 --> 01:30:25.894
with the oil water separator is kind of

01:30:25.894 --> 01:30:28.006
a common hotspot treatment . Next , I

01:30:28.006 --> 01:30:30.228
wanna get into some of the details . Go

01:30:30.228 --> 01:30:32.450
ahead and I'll show you some pictures .

01:30:32.450 --> 01:30:34.672
Now , that was just how well they treat

01:30:34.672 --> 01:30:37.270
stuff , things . So these are the

01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:39.279
adultery practices . So this is the

01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:41.446
basic uh let me go to the next slide .

01:30:41.870 --> 01:30:44.092
I can go back to this one . I'm sorry ,

01:30:44.250 --> 01:30:46.583
I didn't have a chance to practice this .

01:30:46.919 --> 01:30:49.252
So this is your standard uh sand filter ,

01:30:49.252 --> 01:30:51.475
right ? You got a sedimentation chamber

01:30:51.475 --> 01:30:53.641
and an open top sand filter bed at the

01:30:53.641 --> 01:30:55.808
end there . Uh Well , it's not showing

01:30:55.808 --> 01:30:57.641
that diagram is something like a

01:30:57.641 --> 01:30:59.808
perforated under drain that would then

01:30:59.808 --> 01:31:01.752
drain that water out to your storm

01:31:01.752 --> 01:31:03.919
drain . This might be one that's under

01:31:03.919 --> 01:31:06.140
right next . Here's a photograph of

01:31:06.149 --> 01:31:08.038
that type of system in place . It

01:31:08.038 --> 01:31:10.640
pretty ugly type of system , right ? Uh

01:31:10.770 --> 01:31:12.659
You guys been up the North ramp ,

01:31:12.659 --> 01:31:14.548
you've seen that huge sand filter

01:31:14.548 --> 01:31:16.714
that's built up there on the side near

01:31:16.714 --> 01:31:19.899
that um That single coming off the P

01:31:19.910 --> 01:31:23.569
603 or whatever that hang out there .

01:31:24.180 --> 01:31:26.069
Anyway , you got a bunch of these

01:31:26.069 --> 01:31:27.958
things to filter out all . Next .

01:31:28.029 --> 01:31:30.251
Here's the , the basic schematic of the

01:31:30.251 --> 01:31:32.307
underground sand filter , right ? So

01:31:32.307 --> 01:31:34.418
you've got this sediment chamber here

01:31:34.418 --> 01:31:36.307
which also serves as an oil water

01:31:36.307 --> 01:31:38.418
separation chamber . You got a bypass

01:31:38.418 --> 01:31:40.362
pipe there that will allow the big

01:31:40.362 --> 01:31:42.473
storms to flow past it . And then you

01:31:42.473 --> 01:31:44.473
got your sand bed in the end with a

01:31:44.473 --> 01:31:46.696
perforated under drain that goes out to

01:31:46.696 --> 01:31:48.862
your practice and provides the treated

01:31:48.862 --> 01:31:51.085
water very , very effective at removing

01:31:51.085 --> 01:31:53.140
trace amounts of high carbon , trace

01:31:53.140 --> 01:31:55.362
amounts of metals gets rid of the sheen

01:31:55.362 --> 01:31:57.585
that you see on these sites . It's very

01:31:57.585 --> 01:32:00.890
effective uh system . Next , same

01:32:00.899 --> 01:32:03.121
diagram I heard same photo I showed you

01:32:03.121 --> 01:32:05.066
earlier . There's a diagram in the

01:32:05.066 --> 01:32:07.121
manual . I'll set an example which I

01:32:07.121 --> 01:32:09.066
called out on the slide . There it

01:32:09.066 --> 01:32:11.177
steps you through how to design it uh

01:32:11.177 --> 01:32:13.288
really cool , really compact system .

01:32:13.288 --> 01:32:15.399
Again , I've seen several of these go

01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:17.399
went along now uh at a mobile and a

01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:19.288
shell station , a couple of those

01:32:19.288 --> 01:32:22.339
mobile stations . Thanks organic filter ,

01:32:22.350 --> 01:32:25.220
same thing , but it uses uh compost or

01:32:25.229 --> 01:32:28.479
it uses peat moss as the uh as the main

01:32:28.490 --> 01:32:31.870
uh filtration uh median . But SAN is a

01:32:31.879 --> 01:32:33.768
lot easier to get a lot easier to

01:32:33.768 --> 01:32:37.709
replace by our retention . So this is

01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:39.776
the one that we , I wanna talk about

01:32:39.776 --> 01:32:41.776
because we see this . The designers

01:32:41.776 --> 01:32:43.887
love to use this . They're using this

01:32:43.887 --> 01:32:46.109
in all of yours . They're using this in

01:32:46.109 --> 01:32:45.990
the bottom of your pony bases

01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:48.629
everywhere . They're really cool ,

01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:52.279
right ? So the idea is that you catch

01:32:52.290 --> 01:32:55.459
your , your run filter filter down

01:32:55.470 --> 01:32:57.581
through this engineered soil and then

01:32:57.581 --> 01:32:59.803
it either goes down under drain or just

01:32:59.803 --> 01:33:01.803
p down in there , you get excellent

01:33:01.803 --> 01:33:03.930
treatment . Uh May I on the details ?

01:33:05.310 --> 01:33:09.169
Here's some cross sections next , some

01:33:09.180 --> 01:33:11.347
photographs of what they look like . I

01:33:11.347 --> 01:33:13.513
showed you this one earlier next . But

01:33:13.513 --> 01:33:15.680
here's the problem , right ? So they ,

01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:17.736
because it's basically just soil and

01:33:17.736 --> 01:33:20.069
you're planting a bunch of stuff and it ,

01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:22.208
it doesn't really infiltrate very

01:33:22.208 --> 01:33:24.263
quickly . These are really meant for

01:33:24.263 --> 01:33:26.375
small areas , right ? This is a great

01:33:26.375 --> 01:33:28.375
location to do it . It's a , just a

01:33:28.375 --> 01:33:30.597
simple little island in a parking lot .

01:33:30.597 --> 01:33:32.819
But what's happening there is that they

01:33:32.819 --> 01:33:34.986
didn't finish construction , they both

01:33:34.986 --> 01:33:34.819
the same , they turn it on before they

01:33:34.830 --> 01:33:37.060
finish construction and a lot of se got

01:33:37.109 --> 01:33:39.220
washed into that . You go to the next

01:33:39.220 --> 01:33:41.220
slide and it just traps the thing ,

01:33:41.220 --> 01:33:44.069
right ? So these are extremely fragile

01:33:44.080 --> 01:33:48.009
practices . Um If any of

01:33:48.020 --> 01:33:50.076
your B MP S are using this , whether

01:33:50.076 --> 01:33:52.187
they are dry soils , they are putting

01:33:52.187 --> 01:33:54.409
it around the perimeter of camp laws or

01:33:54.409 --> 01:33:56.520
the big po basins that camp laws that

01:33:56.520 --> 01:33:58.853
have this material specified the bottom .

01:33:58.853 --> 01:34:01.020
I don't know if it's actually in place

01:34:01.020 --> 01:34:03.187
yet . I guarantee you might have those

01:34:03.187 --> 01:34:05.298
same gras condition . I don't have to

01:34:05.298 --> 01:34:04.979
be replaced , but that's gonna cost a

01:34:04.990 --> 01:34:07.759
lot of money . Thanks . Just some

01:34:07.770 --> 01:34:09.714
photographs of one of these things

01:34:09.714 --> 01:34:12.359
being put in place at a , at a median

01:34:12.370 --> 01:34:14.537
or island at a parking lot and you can

01:34:14.537 --> 01:34:17.069
see the engineered soil there next

01:34:17.270 --> 01:34:19.381
theer soil , by the way , is like 50%

01:34:19.381 --> 01:34:21.950
sand water . It's a very granular soil

01:34:21.959 --> 01:34:24.070
so that it allows the water to filter

01:34:24.070 --> 01:34:26.126
through . That's the same , the same

01:34:26.126 --> 01:34:28.126
parking lot with the , the finished

01:34:28.126 --> 01:34:32.029
product there . Next , similar

01:34:32.040 --> 01:34:35.089
thing uh because these things will only

01:34:35.100 --> 01:34:36.933
take a certain amount of water .

01:34:36.933 --> 01:34:39.100
They're always designed with the , the

01:34:39.100 --> 01:34:41.100
cache basin just a couple of inches

01:34:41.100 --> 01:34:43.322
higher than the rest of it . The manual

01:34:43.322 --> 01:34:43.220
shows you how to do that and that's

01:34:43.229 --> 01:34:45.396
where the larger storms they go down .

01:34:45.396 --> 01:34:47.396
That Cache basin go out to the main

01:34:47.396 --> 01:34:51.350
base . Next , next , there's some

01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:53.359
references to the design samples if

01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:56.569
anyone wants to see it . Thanks . Um

01:34:56.620 --> 01:34:58.564
Dry soil is very similar . They're

01:34:58.564 --> 01:35:00.564
basically just a swell that has its

01:35:00.564 --> 01:35:02.787
soil on the bottom . I won't spend much

01:35:02.787 --> 01:35:05.120
time on these if you can go to the nest ,

01:35:05.120 --> 01:35:04.319
but they have very , very high

01:35:04.330 --> 01:35:06.274
efficiencies for treatment and you

01:35:06.274 --> 01:35:08.441
design them right . The key with these

01:35:08.441 --> 01:35:10.552
is that you have to hold the water in

01:35:10.552 --> 01:35:12.774
the soil . It's not just a ditch . That

01:35:12.774 --> 01:35:12.770
is why these are different than a ditch .

01:35:13.069 --> 01:35:15.069
You can see that one has check dams

01:35:15.430 --> 01:35:17.541
when you talk about a check dam and ,

01:35:17.541 --> 01:35:19.486
and the manual is different than a

01:35:19.486 --> 01:35:19.259
check dam and the contractor uses

01:35:19.270 --> 01:35:21.381
during construction . It's not just a

01:35:21.381 --> 01:35:23.326
pile of rocks . It's an actual and

01:35:23.326 --> 01:35:25.390
Hermia dam and will hold that water

01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:28.419
back to a certain level . Next , some

01:35:28.430 --> 01:35:30.486
photos of some of these things taken

01:35:30.486 --> 01:35:34.299
from other places . Um

01:35:35.160 --> 01:35:37.216
I think that's what I want , but you

01:35:37.216 --> 01:35:39.479
can go on , just pass by this , you can

01:35:39.490 --> 01:35:42.089
go on . You talked about injection

01:35:42.100 --> 01:35:44.211
wells earlier . There's a link to the

01:35:44.211 --> 01:35:46.520
EPA . Hey , you do question whether

01:35:46.700 --> 01:35:49.060
Guang EPA is correct , which I did when

01:35:49.069 --> 01:35:51.291
they first brought to me . I was like ,

01:35:51.291 --> 01:35:53.513
this is ridiculous . These can't all be

01:35:53.513 --> 01:35:55.569
injection wells . Unfortunately , uh

01:35:55.569 --> 01:35:57.291
EPA , the U SEPA changed their

01:35:57.291 --> 01:35:59.347
definition of what a shall injection

01:35:59.347 --> 01:36:01.560
well is and they have this kind of

01:36:01.569 --> 01:36:03.569
decision makers you can follow down

01:36:03.569 --> 01:36:05.791
there , have these questions to ask you

01:36:05.791 --> 01:36:07.958
if you , if you answered yes to any of

01:36:07.958 --> 01:36:07.799
them , you have an injection . Well ,

01:36:07.810 --> 01:36:09.810
and we mostly get to the yes . With

01:36:09.810 --> 01:36:12.143
both of these designs , we see , thanks .

01:36:13.459 --> 01:36:15.515
Anything that uses those underground

01:36:15.515 --> 01:36:17.737
injection uh chambers . I can see there

01:36:17.737 --> 01:36:19.792
those plastic infiltrator chambers .

01:36:19.792 --> 01:36:21.848
Those are all injection like they're

01:36:21.848 --> 01:36:24.620
not a sea line . C I tell a different

01:36:24.950 --> 01:36:27.870
thanks . And there's our , our friend ,

01:36:27.879 --> 01:36:30.689
the concrete drywall , which this

01:36:30.700 --> 01:36:32.922
diagram is straight out of the manual .

01:36:32.922 --> 01:36:34.978
So this is a practice recommended by

01:36:34.978 --> 01:36:37.311
the manual , but a long is an injection .

01:36:39.350 --> 01:36:40.740
What am I call snitch ?

01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:45.862
I don't have an answer for this one . I

01:36:45.862 --> 01:36:47.862
was gonna , if anyone wanted to ask

01:36:47.862 --> 01:36:47.830
this . Um I know there's been a

01:36:47.839 --> 01:36:49.895
question coming out a lot is whether

01:36:49.895 --> 01:36:51.950
oil water separators are underground

01:36:51.950 --> 01:36:53.950
storage tanks and require permits ,

01:36:53.950 --> 01:36:55.728
even if you make a concrete one

01:36:55.728 --> 01:36:57.728
yourself . And it's just for strong

01:36:57.728 --> 01:36:59.950
water treatment . To me , it should not

01:36:59.950 --> 01:37:02.061
be A US T but that's another piece of

01:37:02.061 --> 01:37:04.228
long EPA that I don't have the control

01:37:04.228 --> 01:37:03.970
of . And I tried to get some input from

01:37:03.979 --> 01:37:05.979
those guys before I came here and I

01:37:05.979 --> 01:37:08.201
could get them there . I think you guys

01:37:08.201 --> 01:37:10.520
are having the same problem . So , um ,

01:37:10.529 --> 01:37:12.879
basically our guidance for contractors

01:37:12.890 --> 01:37:14.990
is to get installation permits , but

01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:17.111
that doesn't mean that the government

01:37:17.111 --> 01:37:20.120
agrees that oil water separators are .

01:37:21.240 --> 01:37:23.073
So we just wanna get through the

01:37:23.073 --> 01:37:25.200
process of para and just , uh ,

01:37:25.209 --> 01:37:27.430
construction curve , but we're not

01:37:27.439 --> 01:37:30.189
agreeing to anything pertaining to the

01:37:30.200 --> 01:37:32.256
system of speaking . Yeah . Well , I

01:37:32.259 --> 01:37:34.426
certainly don't think a strong water ,

01:37:34.426 --> 01:37:36.648
uh , oil water separator in the US team

01:37:36.648 --> 01:37:38.759
that we're talking about catching the

01:37:38.759 --> 01:37:41.069
sheet on service or maybe the pain will

01:37:41.080 --> 01:37:44.049
still , I don't have an answer to this

01:37:44.060 --> 01:37:46.116
one , but I , I , you know , I , I ,

01:37:46.116 --> 01:37:48.227
the same question I raised the long I

01:37:48.227 --> 01:37:50.282
like . Ok , so the rest trap outside

01:37:50.282 --> 01:37:52.750
the kitchen , the US t also same thing

01:37:54.609 --> 01:37:57.160
right next . That's it . So , I have

01:37:57.450 --> 01:37:59.506
employees do that . Yes , sir . Uh ,

01:37:59.506 --> 01:38:02.060
question about the hot . Um , is there

01:38:02.129 --> 01:38:04.640
any great gray area ? Listen to the hot

01:38:04.759 --> 01:38:06.870
spot ? Any gray area ? Yeah , there's

01:38:06.870 --> 01:38:08.870
always gray area that , that is the

01:38:08.870 --> 01:38:11.540
problem . Right . I was wondering if

01:38:11.879 --> 01:38:13.935
the designer who had known what they

01:38:13.935 --> 01:38:15.935
designed at last specifically on my

01:38:15.935 --> 01:38:18.790
project . Yeah , I mean , I , they ,

01:38:18.939 --> 01:38:20.883
they should consult with us . Um ,

01:38:20.883 --> 01:38:22.939
that's the first thing to do in that

01:38:22.939 --> 01:38:25.161
case they have . Um , but they just are

01:38:25.161 --> 01:38:27.383
disagreeing with us . So that's why I'm

01:38:27.383 --> 01:38:27.120
not sure what to do .

01:38:33.919 --> 01:38:36.086
All right . Well , that's all we got .

01:38:36.086 --> 01:38:38.252
Any other questions , any other topics

01:38:38.252 --> 01:38:40.586
you want to ask me about while I'm here .

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Uh , I just , uh , one final call for

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questions , concerns . Um , otherwise

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this is it for this training and I just

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want to extend my uh heartfelt thanks

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for , you know , the camp laws , uh

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compliance team for preparing this

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venue and also preparing uh some light

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refreshments for everybody here . Let's

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give them a round of , of all .

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Is it a better bar ? Do you have any

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parting words or we're good to go just

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like , uh , thank you for your time and

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thank you and your staff or set this up .

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Um , I think this is something that we

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can all get better on . We gotta try

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our contractors to be better so that we

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can build the best . Appreciate it .

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Thank you . All right . Thanks

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everybody . Yeah ,

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I