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Celebrations as we uh celebrate launch

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schools excellence in health care . Um

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This is our third uh LP D of the day

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and it's a sergeant major uh Mark or

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clerk Sharpen tear . Um This uh this

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is uh I'm sorry , sorry , Major .

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Sharpe Tea is a native of Louisianian .

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Um He entered the army from New Orleans

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in 1993 basic training at Fort Still .

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Oklahoma came in as a combat medic . He

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did , he worked at launch twice . So he

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was a sergeant major from troop command

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and then again the sergeant major for

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the launch regional Medical Center .

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His sergeant major assignments included

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serving as the US Congress legislative

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advisor for the office of the Surgeon

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General National capital region and the

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first Armored Division chief , medical

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noncommissioned officer in , in Germany .

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Earlier in his career , he led a first

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sergeant , senior oper operations

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sergeant , senior small group leader ,

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platoon sergeant , instructor , medevac

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team N C O in charge of flight medics

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and squad leader . Command sergeant

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major has also held assignments in Fort

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Wray , Alaska , Fort Rucker , Alabama ,

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Fort Riley , Kansas and Fort Chua

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Arizona allowing combat deployments to

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Anbar and Baghdad provinces in Iraq ,

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today , he'll be talking about why does

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it matter discussion in , in a uh

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commit to launch regional medical

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center um in the back part exits and to

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my right , your left are an exit . If

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anyone needs to use the restroom that

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is outside of the uh defect and down

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the hall to the right . Um Without

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further ado , let's welcome Sergeant

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major sharpen here . So I love

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the fact that the last thing that he

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talks about are the exits . So that

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means that everybody's just gonna wanna

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get out of here quickly . So , you know ,

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a as , as I'm very privileged and , and

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happy to be able to be here and speak

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with , with you today , you know , I ,

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I just wanna share a few thoughts .

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Don't worry , you need to lower your

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expectations . I'm not gonna tell you

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everything , but uh and I'm not going

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to say that this is going to be a

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discussion because much like that , you

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know , ceremony will begin in two

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minutes . That's awkward and I despise

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when people get up and say I want this

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to be a discussion and then there's

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absolutely no discussion whatsoever .

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So I'm not going to go that path . But

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if you have gone to A L C or S L C

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recently , uh you may hear a little bit

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of this , you may have heard a little

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bit of this already . So if you know

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the answers to the questions , then I

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would just ask you to , to allow the

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rest of the audience to sit there and

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squirm and try to figure out what the

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right answers are . So , you know , I ,

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I'm gonna start off by asking , uh you

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know , for , for those of you who have

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been here at , for a while and you've

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been a leader in the army , you know ,

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that there are expectations of people

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and whenever there's guest speakers ,

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you know , they , they let you know the ,

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the , the read ahead and all that stuff .

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So very simple question because as I

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look around the audience here , so who

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am I ? Who am I , who can

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answer that question ? Come

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on somebody , somebody's got it . Who ,

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who , who do you think I am ? So you

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were the major command here when I went

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to the promotion board . But I also

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said that that's who I was . That's who

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I was three years ago . He's still

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traumatized . That's who I was . But

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I've also seen you vote around uh on

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other pages , uh providing , it's

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providing good uh feedback to the , to

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the NGO core and just anybody who , who

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take that mentorship or anything . So

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you're , you're skirting around . Maybe

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ma'am . Uh you were the best sounding

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ward for uh Lieutenant Colonel Susan to

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who is my best friend ? All right ,

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well , maybe you are us .

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OK . You getting closer . Uh I heard

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you mentioned earlier that you , uh

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were in command of something between

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Hollywood and Bollywood and polar bears

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and penguins . Ok . All right . So all

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of those things are , yeah . So

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Regional Health Command Pacific for

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those of you who don't know that that

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was our saying because we went all the

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way from North Pole , South Pole and

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from California out to India . That was

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our area of coverage . Now , all of

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those are things that either I've done

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places I've served or positions I've

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held , but none of them are who I

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am . What would it take for

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you to know who I am ? What , what

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would have to happen ? Because all that

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information is either something you've

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run across something you've read on the

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interweb , something that's out there ,

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something that you can research . But

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what would it take for you to know who

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I am a

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personal conversation to where we sit

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down , we talk about hopes , dreams ,

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goals , things that are going on with

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me and all of those things . So now

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if I went back to the soldiers that you

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lead and ask them ,

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does your supervisor , does your leader

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know who you are without a show of

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hands ? How many of them would say my

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leader knows who I am ? Just something

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to think about . Just something to

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think about . You don't have to show

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your hands because if you have

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not had that conversation with them ,

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then you truly don't know who they are .

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And , and that's kind of a scary

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thought for some of us . Because it's

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much easier to communicate via

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electronic texts and all of those other

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things you do than to sit down and have

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a face to face conversation with anyone .

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But when do you get the best feedback

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from someone ? And a lot of it is non

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verbal communications because studies

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show that somewhere in the , depending

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on which study you look at 60 plus

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percent of a conversation , memorable

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communication . So if you are spending

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all of your time on Insta Cha and Snap

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Gram , then do you really know who

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someone is ? Yes . And I'm not that old

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that I don't know what it is . I just

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wanna make sure you're still awake and

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paying attention and I do know that

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that but if that's how you're

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communicating with your folks or if

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you're out in Korea and using or

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whatever , whatever the other platforms

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are and not sitting there talking with

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someone and you truly don't know who

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they are . So how can you effectively

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lead them ? How can you inspire them ?

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How can you get them to do ? What in

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some cases is unnatural

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putting themselves in harm's way to

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actually accomplish some kind of

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mission inspiration . And remember

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those that you are inspiring are not

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just those that you are leading , those

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of you are inspiring are some that are

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senior to you in rank . How many of you

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are here are leaders ? Everybody's hand

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should go up . It doesn't matter what

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your rank is . Everyone is a leader in

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a given situation . But the question is

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you say you're a leader , but what is a

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leader define what a leader is ? Who

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wants to take a shot at that one ? Who

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wants to take a shot at what a leader

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is or what is leadership ? And it's not

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providing purpose , motivation ,

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direction by no answer .

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The two of you are always raising your

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hands . The three of you are always

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raising your hands because you feel

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comfortable , you feel confident . I'm

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going to start calling on people to

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make it a little more uncomfortable .

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Oh Yeah , you , you , you would know

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that I was looking at you . That ,

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that's right . So , so what , what do

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you think a leader is ? So I know we're

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not going for the book answer . But one

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of the things I've learned a leader is

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somebody who takes the time to check

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down and check up on his troops and his

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fellow leadership to make sure that

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they're able to accomplish the mission

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and everything they need in their

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personal professional lives . You kind

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of work on a total soldier concept so

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that they're able to succeed in . Ok .

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OK . Someone who is uh trustworthy ,

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someone that you can talk to uh on a

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personal level and also professional

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level and then have them give you a

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honest feedback . Uh but also someone

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that influences you not only by their

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words but by their actions . So that

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way you can make who you wanna be . Ok .

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All right . Would most of you agree

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with those assessments ? It kind of so

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taking stock of your own leadership

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techniques , how many of you fit that

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bill ? Not a raise of hands ? And this

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is one of those times where you

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actually have to do those honest self

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assessments . And sometimes those self

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assessments should feel like a punch in

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the gut because remember , we all have

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shortcomings . None of us are perfect

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as leaders . We all struggle with it

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and we all work through , you know ,

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those challenges and try to figure out

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what do we need to do better . And if

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any , anyone asks you what your

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weakness is , whether it's on a board

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or somewhere else , you should know

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that pretty quickly . And if you talk

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to someone , you should , they should

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know it pretty quickly too . And if

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they are honest with themselves ,

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because if they're not honest with

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themselves and chances are , they don't

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know what that weakness is . And so

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therefore they're not working on

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anything . So how many of you in an

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organization at some point in the past

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have had a commander that has written a

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leadership philosophy , a commander or

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a senior enlisted leader . All right

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now , thinking back to those leadership

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philosophies , you know , I , I can

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remember leadership philosophies from

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commanders in the past . No one who is

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in this room right now . Um A seven

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page leadership philosophy that was

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single spaced front and back of the

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page and was told during an initial

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counseling , read this and sign

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it , you understand it . And uh it's

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part of your initial counseling and

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given like 15 seconds to go through

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this seven page leadership philosophy .

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So how effective is that for a

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leadership philosophy ? If it's that

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long and that's specified , probably

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not too , too uh effective for you .

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So , after many , many years of

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doing this , so I've been a

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noncommissioned officer for about 28

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years at this point and about 15 of

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those as a sergeant major , I really

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kind of narrowed down leadership

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philosophies to something very

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simplistic . You know , when we look at

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leadership and what's the philosophy ,

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you know , leadership

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is basically inspiring

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someone to do what needs to be done .

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And that's someone that leader is

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someone who is , has the privilege

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of inspiring someone to do what should

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be done . So leadership philosophy is

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most basically taking care

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of those that you are privileged to

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lead , taking care of those that you

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are privileged to lead all of those

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other things that are encompassed in

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that should fall somewhere in that

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parameter because taking care of

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those maybe includes some tough

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love . It may include some tough

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training . It may include a look in the

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eye

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park , taking care of them , maybe

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because you had that long conversation

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with them and you know who they are and

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you understand the dynamic that's going

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on in their , this moment in time .

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There is some perfect

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soldier or for that airman or for that

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civilian or whoever it is that you're

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supervising and if you do not afford

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them the opportunity to witness that

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moment , then you might crush their

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soul . Now , does that mean that people

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have once in a lifetime opportunities

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that are happening four times a week ?

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No , but that means that you know who

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you're dealing with and remember it's a

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privilege to lead because at any given

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time , if you lose the trust of those

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that you lead , then you are now

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ineffective because now you are only

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leading by what you wear on your

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uniform instead of leading with your

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head and your heart . All right ,

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enough of the really heavy stuff ,

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we'll go into the much easier stuff for

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some of you and we got a whole broad

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spectrum of people that are here .

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Everything from . Uh , I think I might

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have seen a junior soldier in here .

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Maybe not , maybe they use the exits

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that were brief but see some , some

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soldiers , some non commissioned

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officers , some officers , possibly

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some civilians can't read from this far .

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I know we've had some retirees but

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ultimately thinking about what is the

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secret to success in the army . How did

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you become a whatever it is that you

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want to become in the army , whether

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it's a general officer , whether it is

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a major , whether it is a command

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sergeant major , whether it is an

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RT , whatever it is . What is the

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secret to that ? Success ? And ladies

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and gentlemen , you're all the leaders .

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So I'm sure that each one of you have

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done different things and , and advised

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people different ways . But do you

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wanna know the secret to success ?

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Anybody wanna know it ? So ,

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OK , so I'll boil it

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down so I , I'll back it off a little

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bit . So the secret to being successful

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as a soldier and it doesn't matter what

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parameter you fall into and , and uh

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for anyone who is an airman or sailor

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or whatever , it all flies , the same

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secret to success in any branch of the

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military is being able to listen . That

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is it , it is that simple . If you can

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listen and follow directions , you can

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be successful as a soldier and probably

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as a sailor and a marine and so on

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because someone's gonna tell you where

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to be what you're gonna be doing , how

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you're gonna do it . And if they don't

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tell you how to do it , there's a book

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that tells you how to do it , that has

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all these warnings in it for things

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that people didn't do it that way and

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it caused problems . So being

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successful is as simple as that

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listening in following directions .

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Very simple . Now who is providing

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that guidance to those individuals ,

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those soldiers that are being

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successful , us everyone else that's

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here . So what do you need to do to be

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successful . Number one , you gotta be

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successful in everything that your

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soldiers or your subordinates are

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supposed to do . Second , you gotta be

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able to communicate , you gotta be able

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to communicate and you gotta be able to

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communicate effectively . The third

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thing and this applies for the junior

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soldiers for mid grades , for officers ,

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for all of you . And this is gonna

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sound a little bit , uh ,

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egocentric for each of you ,

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but you gotta be the best . Doesn't

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matter what you're doing every

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single mission set . Now , it doesn't

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mean that you need to be better than

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you say you need to be the best against

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the established standard . AC T

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does it really matter if you score

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more than the person to your left or to

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your right ? What matters doing

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your best ? But scoring against being

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the best against the established scale ,

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scoring 600 you got to be the

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best at it for those of you who might

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be supervising police calls , be the

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best at it . Make sure that nothing is

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left on the ground for those of you who

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are going to a course , be the best at

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it . It doesn't mean that you're

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cutting out someone else's legs so you

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can be the distinguished honor graduate .

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I would love to see everybody be

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perfect in every single course . And

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then we have 42 distinguished honor

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graduates because everybody did the

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best against an established standard

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would be the best strive to be the best

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at every single thing you do . And it's

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that simple , ladies and gentlemen ,

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that is the secret to success in the

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military . Very simple to be the best

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leader . Right ? Not at all . Not at

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all because you gotta be on your a game

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24 7 . You know , and , and I've , I've

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heard a lot of different people , a lot

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of different times say different things

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about , well as a leader , you can't

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have a bad day . Well , I think as a

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leader , you can have a bad day to show

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your subordinates to show others that

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you also have bad days . Because for

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some reason , people think that general

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officers and sergeants major and

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brigade commanders don't ever have a

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bad day . Some people think that they

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don't have problems . Some people don't

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think that they don't have , you know ,

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an issue with a child getting sick .

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And then another one that missed the

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school bus , all that stuff happens to

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all of us , but it's

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about showing that and showing how you

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can overcome that . How do you deal

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with that ? How do you problem solve ?

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And all of those things set the stage

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for your subordinates , for your peers

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and for others to see how well you can

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overcome those small adversities in

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life . Because for many of you in this

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audience , I would say that uh

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many of you who did deploy during

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kinetic operations , many of you were

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not in leadership positions during

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those deployments just over time . Some

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of you may be because maybe you

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deployed recently , but many of our

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deployment experiences are , you know ,

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going up on a decade or so . And so

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many of you were not in leadership

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positions . So if you can't deal with

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the small things that are happening in

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garrison and trust me for you , it may

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be small but for that individual that

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it's occurring to that soldier , that

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sailor , that airman , that marine ,

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that whoever it is , that , you know ,

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it may be important to you their

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problem . But it's the most important

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thing to them at that given moment .

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The fact that their child is sick and

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they are working against a schedule to

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come into uh sterilized

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equipment in uh it was S P D .

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The most important thing that's

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happening to them at that moment is

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their child is sick and they have to

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report time to get to work for you as

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the supervisor . It may just be one of

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100 things that's going on , but having

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the empathy , not sympathy , but the

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empathy to be able to understand what

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that person is going through and

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address it appropriately . Very simple ,

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right ? All that super simple stuff . I

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didn't tell you anything new . I

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haven't told you anything

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groundbreaking . This is all just a

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reinforcement of what we all know ,

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but we should all be trying to practice .

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All right now , I don't remember

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exactly how much time I have , but I

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wanna open it up for questions because

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I got some other things that I can talk

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about , but they may come up in

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questions because generally they do .

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And I'm curious , what's on your mind ?

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What , what can I share with you at

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this point ? From your foxhole ? Yes .

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DC P CS , uh Deputy C IC . So I got a

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question for you . Is you continued to

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grow throughout your career . What did

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you find that that worked for you ?

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Because I believe we as human beings ,

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we all have our own blind spots . So

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how did you , especially as you grew to

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become a star major and a command start

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major to make sure you had that true

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honest vector check with yourself to

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make sure that you weren't getting

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caught . Some of those cognitive traps

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of doing the same way you've always

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done things or making sure that you

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were staying with more momentum or , or

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making sure that , that you were , you

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were getting after what you needed to

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get after and , and having those

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resources to be able to check yourself

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when you . Yeah , great question . And

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you know , the one of the , one of the

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things is to stay with status quo and

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because you feel comfortable with it .

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So employing good honest people

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that you trust and listening and

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incorporating what they tell you

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because even though you have someone

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who is an honest broker for you . If

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you don't listen to them , then it's

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does you no good . And it , and it's a

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variety of people . Second thing

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is always , for me personally , always

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trying to stay humble . You know , I

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served as a command sergeant major .

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I'm not a command sergeant major , I'm

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a soldier . And there's a difference

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between those two and focusing on

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what are those differences , truly

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listening to what the formation is

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saying and not dismissing things as ,

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oh , they're just disgruntled with this .

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I just came out of a talk with uh with

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General Rubenstein talking about Mh S

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Genesis . And I got to see that at the

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first platform at Madigan uh to several

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platforms and then uh kind of seeing

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the struggles with that and listening

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to that , employing your

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ideas when COVID hit at the uh

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Medical Center of Excellence and we had

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to still complete the mission of

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training . I didn't come up with the

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solutions on how we were gonna do

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distributed learning , how we were

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gonna have virtual pla platforms and

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classrooms , how we were gonna figure

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out we still had to do 68 whiskey

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training and how we're gonna figure out

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how to do it around the clock . That

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was actually a couple of staff

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sergeants and a sergeant who figure out

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just about all of that stuff . So what

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I did was I stayed open to those

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possibilities . I know that I'm not the

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expert on new technologies and

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being honest with that . Now , it

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doesn't mean that all of us have that

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same level of ability or comfort with

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where we are . But staying open to that

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is incredibly , incredibly important .

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Um listening , listen

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to what others are telling you and

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having the ability to have those two

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way conversations . Um ,

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throughout my career , I've done

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multiple different things during my

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second time here at law school ,

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actually , during my first time here at

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law Tool , uh we spent a lot of time

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standing outside of the dining facility

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because that's where all the soldiers

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came . That's where all of the airmen ,

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all the civilians . And as I see him

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come in and just stop and talk to them ,

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figure out what was going on , what's

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happening in your foxhole and really

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listening , taking every opportunity to

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talk to people and accept the fact that ,

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hey , this is a problem and then not

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overreacting when someone did say

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something that was either directly

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about me , my leadership style or about

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my organization . Because as soon as

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you give someone negative feedback

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from feedback that they provided to you ,

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if you change something because they

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said that you're not an effective

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public speaker . And all of a sudden ,

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you know , you start having all these

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classes on how to public speak for

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everyone , then that's counterintuitive

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to that . It's more about taking care

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of yourself because someone said that

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you have a weakness that someone give

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you some ideas and thoughts and that's

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kind of how I did it . Um But I truly

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believe in humility as a leader is

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incredibly , incredibly important .

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Makes sense . Did I answer your

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question ? All right .

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So our first time he made his

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administration as we move up through

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the ranks , you know , we develop more

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responsibilities uh which probably will ,

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will require us to work longer hours

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and take more time away from our

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families . Fortunately , for me , I

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have a very good support system for

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those who may not have that great

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support system . What advice would you

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offer them ? Yeah , and that , that's a

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rough one . And we , we talk about life

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balance . I've heard that for , you

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know , 25 30 years . I don't know ,

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it's probably not that long . I was

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probably in the army for about 15 years

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before we started hearing about life

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balance . So I , I don't like to use

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the term balance because in my mind , I ,

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I always see a seesaw on the playground

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and I know kids may not be on seesaws

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anymore because they're probably not

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safe . But anyway , you know , I , I

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see an equity but in what we

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do , there is no balance . It's more of

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a management . There's gonna be some

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times where you are going to have to

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give those long hours to the army , the

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air force your service . But there's

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also gonna be those times where you

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have to give focus to your family

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because that is requirement . It's

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necessary . So I , I will say that , uh

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I'll get to , uh , for those that don't

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have it . I will say I was extremely

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privileged and I considered the most

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successful thing I did in my career is

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that I am leaving the army with the

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same spouse that I joined the army with

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30 years earlier . And it has

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absolutely nothing to do with me . It

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has to do with , she's an amazing lady

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and put up with a lot of stuff and did

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a great job of raising our kids . But

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for those that don't have that support

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system in the family , that's where it

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becomes even more of a requirement for

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that individual to develop a web or a

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network of others that can assist with

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that part of it is also with the

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leadership establishing , hey , this is

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what's going on . I I know that people

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want to be private in their lives ,

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some of them , some of them and , and

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it's very generalized but , you know ,

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some of generation alpha , you know ,

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they're not old enough yet to have

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families , but whatever generation

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likes to share all of their problems ,

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but some don't . And so having a good

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conversation and a good understanding

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of what's happening with that to where

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it helps them to uh to use that

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extended network . The other thing that

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has kind of gone by the wayside over

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the years . Ladies and gentlemen , from

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my perspective , is some of the fine

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arts of garrison leadership and the

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programs and the services that are in

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place in the Department of Defense with

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families . Somewhere along the way , we ,

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we kind of lost touch with some of the

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things that A CS can do for us .

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Somewhere along the way , we lost touch

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with things that Red Cross can do for

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us . Somewhere along the way , we lost

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touch with what our commanders ,

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company commanders , first sergeants

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can do to assist with some of that

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life management without having that

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effective support system in place . So

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I think that in some aspects there are

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a lot of programs out there that are

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available , but for some of us , we

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just don't know about them and , and I

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would say that that's my fault because

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as a command sergeant major , I

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probably didn't teach coach , mentor ,

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train somewhere along the way . But my

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ask is that each one of you that are a

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leader and that means that you're a

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noncommissioned officer or a commission

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officer that you burden shoulder some

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of that burden too and some of that

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responsibility , we all have a part in

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that . Um I know I didn't directly

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answer your question exactly how to do

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it . And , and , and I've never been

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one to actually give direct

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answers since I've been a squad leader ,

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found that that kind of stifled

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initiative a little bit because as soon

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as I tell you one way to do something

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as we talked about this morning , the

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listen panel , that's what every single

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person could do . They're gonna do that

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exact thing and discipline initiative

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is gonna go out the window . So what I

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would encourage you to do is think

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about all of the aspects that you have

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understanding that here in a ocon

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assignment . It's a little bit

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different because it's not quite around

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the corner from having , you know ,

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extended family , but leaning on the

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army family , other service members or

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whoever else to be able to work through

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those challenges . I know it didn't

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answer fully your question . But

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hopefully , I gave you some things to

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think about , which is ultimately ,

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that's what we as leaders should be

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doing . We should be challenging others

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to think through problem sets . Trust

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me , I don't want all of your monkeys

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on my back . My back is not strong

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enough for that , but together we can

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all figure that stuff out . Does that

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make sense ? But I somewhat not answer

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your question . I ask , you know , I

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asked you to offer your suggestions and

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your advice and that's what you did .

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So , yeah , just like I said earlier ,

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I , I can answer any question correctly

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because I can say , I don't know . Uh

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I wanted to ask this question when

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you're having the panel , but so I

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wrote it down . Uh basically , one of

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my primary duties is to train soldiers .

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What we do is not commission officers .

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And here lately , the conversation has

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led to two camps , people that say we

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need to go back to the basics and

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others say we need to enforce the

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standard that's already in place . So

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the question I have is does enforcing

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the standard , help teach the basics or

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does teaching the basics help reinforce

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the standard because of competing

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priority . Great question , chicken and

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the egg question . And you're trying to

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put me on the spot here with the hard

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questions and that's OK . I I got

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something for all of the hard questions .

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Our major rose will handle all of those

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answers . Uh

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So I , I , I don't know that you can

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separate those two and , and , and

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ultimately , as you're getting back to

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the basics , well , where are the

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basics ? The basics is enforcing

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standards and enforcing the standard of

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training because whether you realize it

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or not , you have T E OS for a task ,

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right ? Task evaluation outline , you

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know , task conditions and standards

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and all those things . So whether it's

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a clinical task , whether it's a

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survivability task , whether it's any

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kind of task , there is something that

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you we leaders , non commissioned

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officers , officers , commanders should

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all be doing , we should be holding

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people to the appropriate standard to

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create the discipline to where they can

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handle . What are those basic functions .

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Ultimately , there's probably uh in ,

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in some aspects , a tagline , a tied ,

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tied to that and it's probably whatever

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is the uh the phrase phrase of the week ,

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phrase of the month , whether it's back

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to basic because I heard back to basics

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probably three separate entities in my

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career . Each one separated by probably

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a decade . It , it kind of comes and

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goes as a , as a cool term . You know ,

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they say we gotta get back to the

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basics , we gotta get back to the basic .

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Well , what are the basics ? All the

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basics are training to task conditions

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and standards ? So I don't know that

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you can separate the two and I think

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that they are mutually inclusive . If

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you do one , then you are the other one .

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One , then you're not only going to

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ignore the other one , but you're

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probably also going to lose some

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credibility as a leader and ultimately ,

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you might lose a life . And so that ,

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that's where the challenge comes in and ,

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and the severity of what we do when we

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say back to the basics or enforcing

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standards . Um I , I don't

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recall whether you start off by saying ,

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I , I think you said in , in my opinion ,

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did you say in my opinion or not in the

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beginning of that question ? Ok . OK .

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Because if you're gonna say , well , if

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you start off with , in my opinion ,

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you're asking my opinion , I can give

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my opinion and it may not be right or

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it may not be , or it may not be wrong .

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But ultimately , it comes down to you

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gotta focus on both of those and , and ,

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and that's where kind of goes back to

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that comment about discipline

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initiative . If the command's mission

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priority is getting back to the basics

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and if that's what's being messaged ,

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then as a leader , you gotta realize

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that part of getting back to the basics

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is training and is training to standard

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or if it's the message is , I'm gonna

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train the standard then yes , that is a

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basic soldier skill because each one of

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us , when we join the military , we

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learned how to follow orders , right ?

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So I guess going back to my secret of

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success in the army listening and being

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able to follow directions , that's a

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basic thing , right ? But it's also a

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training to standard thing . So did a

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good , do a good enough job , tap

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dancing around that one for you .

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Answer the question somewhat . Yeah .

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OK . All right . What else ? All right .

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Got another question . Awesome one . Uh

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What's something you wish you could go

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back and tell direct level you like ,

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what do you wish ? You could tell

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yourself what piece of advice or what

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you wish you could tell yourself to do

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to be ? Wow , that , that , that's a

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long list of what not to do . And , and ,

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and I don't know that we have this much

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time and , and I don't wanna share some

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of the choice words that I probably

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would use in that , but what to do . Um

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I I , I probably , uh , would think

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about , um , something I , during the

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panel this morning I was kind of

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thinking about that a little bit . You

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know , what , what advice would I give

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a younger , a younger me and really

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the advice that I'd give a younger me

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would be slow down

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in everything because , you know , good

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special operations doctrine , you know ,

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slow , smooth , smooth is fast , slow

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down in everything and

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spend more time learning the

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job at hand and less time

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worrying about the out years .

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You gotta live in the now . You gotta

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focus on what your job is now . You

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will never ever ,

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you will never . And as the adjutant or

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s one . Yeah . So you will never

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be an awesome command sergeant major

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unless you are an awesome first

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sergeant and you will never ever be an

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awesome first sergeant . If you're not

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an awesome platoon sergeant and you'll

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never ever be an awesome platoon

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sergeant . If you're not an awesome

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squad leader and you will never ever be

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an awesome any of those if you don't

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understand staff functions and how the

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staff and the leadership work together .

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So kind of getting back . What , what

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would I tell myself ? I'm gonna slow

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down and number two , focus on the here

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and now and be the best at my job now .

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Instead of trying to figure out what's

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next . Fair enough . Answer your

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question . All right . Who else wants

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to ask a question ? Come on . I , I got

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some more tap dancing . I can do . Yes ,

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ma'am . Um , in , uh , I wish I had my

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sergeant major back . That's ok . I ,

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I'm of a spouse service of a

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spouse that's going through retirement .

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What do you think from the perspective

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of your wife ? What do you think she's

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most worried about as you transition to

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retirement ? My sanity .

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So , uh , number one , I want to say

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thank you so much for being a dual

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military couple . And I don't know how

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show of hands how many of you are dual

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military in here . I have no idea how

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you do it . That's an amazing feat .

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And I've been in all my entire career

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of you getting through the army

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navigating it as dual military because

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that kind of goes back to that support

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structure because you both have

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missions going on at the same time and

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how you're dealing with the little

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crumb , snatch your ankle biters , you

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know those , those kids . So uh number

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one , I wanna say thank you to you ,

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ma'am and to all of you for doing that .

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So things to think about with

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retirement . So I I can't speak for all

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retirees but things that I did . So

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because of where we are in life , we

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had a little bit different dynamic and

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so everybody has a different dynamic

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when it's approaching retirement . It's

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gonna happen . If you have kids at home

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school age kids is much different than

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being , uh , empty nesters . It's much

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different than being a single

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individual . But , uh , for spouse

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wise , my wife had the foresight a

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couple of years ago to see that

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retirement was on the horizon and she

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knew what kind of person I was . And

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she said you need a hobby and no

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running marathons does not count and

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no woodworking does not count . She

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said you need something that is quickly

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accessible and , and it's easy

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to , uh , get into on a daily basis .

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So , what she did for me was she knew

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they were the military . I played , uh ,

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guitar and she said I know you sold all

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your stuff , but you need to get back

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in guitar . She gave me a guitar for

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one of my birthdays and it has led to a

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lot of goodness and why I say no

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marathon running and woodworking don't

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count because those require a lot of

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set up time or they require a lot of

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investment . You need something that's

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quick . So , for your spouse trying to

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help your spouse , uh , find a quick

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hobby . And my thing is I can walk by

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the guitar on a stand . I can pick it

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up and my goal five minutes . And if I

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play five minutes I'm good . If I play

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two hours , I'm good . It doesn't

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matter . But it's something that's

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quick and accessible and doesn't

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require other stuff . Yes , I do have

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other hobbies . Yes , I do like to

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cycle Yes , I do like to kayak . But

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those are things that I can't do

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quickly or in the evening , but it's

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something just kind of released . So ,

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knowing who your spouse is , knowing

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what their preferences are trying to

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help guide them . And like I said ,

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that was about two years out . The

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other thing that , uh , that I learned

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through the whole retirement process

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is everything that everyone has ever

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told you about retirement is true .

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Listen to them , they tell you to start

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early , to prepare to think about all

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this stuff . Um , I will say that , uh ,

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probably I , I , one of my , my peers

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and he was actually pretty smart about

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this . He actually calculated what his

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retirement income was going to be . And

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he , while still on active duty and

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he's not , doesn't have a retirement

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yet . He actually lived off of that

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income for one year or tried to , to

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see if it could be done . So that way

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it was not a financial , got you

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whenever he did exit out of the

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military . So , and that was something

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that was not told to me in any

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transition course , just something to

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kind of think about , you know ,

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especially if you're going to retire at

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20 years or blended retirement system

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stuff , you know , if , if that's gonna

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be your sole source of income . Um And

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the other thing that , uh , that they

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talk about during uh retirement

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seminars is have a cushion of at least

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90 days of pay . No , not enough . I

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would say 100 and 80 days . So look at

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what you make in a half a year and

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start preparing now to have a half a

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year of your income for that transition

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time . That way it makes it one less

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thing that you're gonna be stressed

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about when you retire because believe

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me , you got enough other stuff to

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stress about . Does that someone answer

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your question , ma'am ? Awesome . All

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right . Had another question back . Yes ,

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sir . Good to see you

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as a senior leader in your career . At

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almost every level of command and

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different part of the , you share with

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us insights uh experiences or how you

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approach your partnership with those

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with whom you been asked to , to , to

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leave with us as commander . In many

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cases , maybe some of the difficulties

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of the leadership philosophy or their

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approaches were and styles of

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great question . Thanks , sir . I do

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appreciate it . And that leads into , I

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mean , we're hitting all like all the

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topics that I wanted to hit . That's

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good . That's why I'd like to have this

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question answered . So , ladies and

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gentlemen , unless you are the

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commander , you never have more than

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49% of the vote as part of a ,

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you never do . And remember talked

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about um leadership philosophy and I

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kind of boil it down to a sentence and

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a half as long run on sentence , but

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talked about uh inspiring others .

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Those are your privileged to lead . So

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that's where the inspiration part comes

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in . And I'm not a big tricky or Star

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Wars person . But yeah , we use a lot

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of the Jedi mind tricks and inspiring a

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commander at multiple levels to see and

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understand what it was that I was

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seeing to get them to do what I

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needed them to do for the organization .

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Sometimes successful , sometimes not

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successful . But once again , I only

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had 49% of the vote . So when I walked

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out of that office , then I knew that I

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had done everything I needed to do to

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explain the challenge , the

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solutions , the possible probable

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impacts of decisions . And never

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once did I go back and say I told you

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so after , because I wanted to keep the

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relationship strong . And so , uh and ,

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and I'm not saying I had adversarial

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relationships with , with commanders ,

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but ultimately realizing what our roles

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are . The other thing is never ever ,

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ever undercutting my

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commander . And it doesn't matter

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whether uh you're serving as a senior

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enlisted leader or a deputy to the

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commander as an officer , never ever

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undercutting your commander ,

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especially in front of the organization .

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You can have those discussions behind

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closed doors but never out in the open .

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Uh And , and that builds a lot of a lot

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of faith and trust . Now , will I say

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that I agreed with every single

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decision that every single commander

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that I worked with from the time that I

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was a platoon sergeant all the way

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through command sergeant major . No ,

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not at all . Did I at

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sometimes have to go back

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after the fact to , I don't know ,

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damage control seems like a , a extreme

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term , but sometimes it did have to go

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do that to kind of soften the edges and

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the delivery of the message . Um , but

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it was always about what was that

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commander's intent to get to that point .

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I had one adversarial relationship with

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an a uh officer in my entire career .

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One individual that I could not work

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with that individual was a lieutenant

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colonel at the time that I worked with

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them and that lieutenant colonel was

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forced to retire as a major . So you

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can kind of figure that one out on why

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I could not work with this individual

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did not adhere to the army values

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whatsoever . Other than that , I know

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my role as a senior enlisted . I know

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my role , my role is to set up my

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commander for success . My role is to

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be the voice in the sounding board of

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the command , not the enlisted

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personnel , but the command

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and to make sure that my

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commander has all of the information

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that I can possibly give them . Now

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over time , those two

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individuals , my commander and I , we

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would get to a point where we were

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synchronized uh in thought , in word

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and action uh to the point where geo

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geography didn't matter as they start

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off talking about one of the commands ,

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North Pole , South Pole , all that

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stuff out in the Pacific . There are

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many , many times where uh I was not on

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the same continent as my commander for

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weeks at a time . Um but still had a

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good working relationship and had the

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trust and had the communication piece

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to be able to effectively lead

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ladies and gentlemen , keep your ego in

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check for those of you who are

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sergeants major . Command , sergeant

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major , first sergeants , aspiring

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command sergeant major command is an

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adjective in your title . It describes

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what type of sergeant major you are .

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You are the command's sergeant major .

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You don't command anything . And I

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always stayed by that . I never was in

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command of a thing and that made it so

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much easier . Does someone answer your

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question , sir ?

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Thank you very much for that question .

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I love it . I , I , I love talking the ,

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the relationship between officers and

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non commissioned officers . The other

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thing is there's no such thing as N C O

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business and officer business . There's

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leader , business and leaders take care

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of those . They are privileged to lead .

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Makes sense . All right . Any more

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questions ? Any more hard questions ?

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Sorry , Major Rose really wants a hard

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question . I have a question along the

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same lines . Colonel Chief for radio ,

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a lot of what you mentioned was how you

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would support the command and the

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officers . What would you wish the

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officers could do or from experience

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that would support you ? Awesome ,

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great question . So number one ,

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I would appreciate the fact if officers

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do not think that enlisted soldiers

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are somewhat less of

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importance in the organization or in

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the mission , that should never ever

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happen . I challenge any soldier ,

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whether they're an officer or non

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commissioned officer to be able to fire

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their weapon without that specialist

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who is serving as the armor and taking

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care of the weapon or that NBC N

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CEO , who is the P F C because you only

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have one sea Bernie specialist in your

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battalion . So that's number one ,

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don't ever look down on or think that

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they're a lesser . They made a

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different career choice , they made it ,

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they took a different career path and

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I'd like to see anybody do that job

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without soldiers . And ultimately ,

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that's why leaders exist because

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leaders exist for one reason . And one

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reason only take care of those that

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they are privileged to lead . So uh for

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officers empower your non commissioned

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officers . Commanders power

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rely or relies and and lies in a R

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600-20 noncommissioned officer power

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and authority lies in being

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empowered by a commander . Commanders

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don't empower non commissioned officers .

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We can't help you , we cannot help you

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nor do we want you to do our job . If

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you wanna be the non commissioned

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officer , then resign your commission

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and become a noncommissioned officer

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otherwise allow your noncommissioned

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officers to do what they do because

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they will help you . Or you might just

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have some smart alec first sergeant ,

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like the sharp and tear guy a long time

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ago who walked into his company

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commander's office and put his office

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keys on the desk and said , let me know

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whenever you want me to be the first

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sergeant again of the company and

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walked out and got a phone call about

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two hours later saying please come back

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but point made and , and learning from

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those lessons , I don't know . And I'm

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not advocating for any of you to do

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that nowadays because that was an army ,

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you know , 20 years ago . So I don't

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know how that would work in today's

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army . But uh truly uh

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appreciating the empowerment of the non

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commissioned officer corps . And does

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that someone answer your question , sir ?

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So with that , I , I will uh draw a

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little bit of attention to someone

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sitting in the back of the audience

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back there that's looking over his

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shoulder and hoping that I don't do

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this . But one of the individuals who

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definitely did a lot to empower me and

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you may have already heard him speak .

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But major general T Jeff Clark , sir ,

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do you have anything that you'd like to

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inject into this conversation ?

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Exactly .

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The major . He is a great , so major

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because he's a good person . Rattled it

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around for a moment . He is a great

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start major because he is a good person .

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You understand what I saying ? Yeah ,

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a minute we were talking about strategy

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and that was a headquarters and I got ,

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I got great beard . They call back

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great beers occasionally . And somebody

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that was there around the table said ,

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you know , we , we keep referring to

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the folks that we get to serve as

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patients . Maybe we only refer to them

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as persons because when we call them a

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patient , we're defining them from our

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perspective . Does that make sense ?

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We're defining them from the

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relationship that we have with them ?

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And they're a person 24 7 . Does that

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make sense ? And they're only a patient

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when they happen to come in to the

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clinic ? Does that make sense ? And I ,

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as I thought about that new world ,

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uh each of us is a person .

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Does that make sense ? And everyone you

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get to lead is a person . So taking a

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holistic view of them as a fellow human

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being , I think it's the essence of

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what sort of trying to say the same

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thing you were saying ? Does that make

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sense ? So understand those that you

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privileged to lead as fellow human

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beings as persons and realize that they

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also put on the uniform and do what we

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ask them to do as soldiers , money ,

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gentlemen . But there's a good portion

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of the time that they have a

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relationship and then you have a spouse

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or they have a partner or you have a

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kid and all that other stuff . Does

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that make sense ? They're a child ,

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their sibling , their grandchild ,

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maybe grandparents .

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Um I don't think I appreciated that

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when I was younger , I had to work with

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great songs like that in my theater in

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order to , to give my ,

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does that make sense ? Other thing I

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just say very quickly , I , I never

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liked it when the commanders would say

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my commands are made

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because they , they weren't my command

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sergeant . They were our command

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sergeant . Does that make sense ? And

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this distinction with a difference ,

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the station where the and the mind

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seemed like a good mind , but it's

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really outward . Does that make sense ?

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So I'm , I , I'm very careful of using

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the uh using my

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because it's not the first argument

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DC , a whatever going on is

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out . And I think it sets a tone that

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is consistently , we are all in this .

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Some were in trouble .

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So major . He's a great man and

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wife .

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Thanks , sir . I do appreciate it . And

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you know , as a command sergeant

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major , I never have the last word . I

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always defer to my commander . And uh

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at that time , Clark and I worked

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together here at launch duel in 2012 as

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a command team . So uh still deferring

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to , to my commander . But uh thank you

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very much , sir for your words . But

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this time and this only one time I will

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have the last word . Uh , so I , I

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started off this presentation with a

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question about who am I ? And , and you

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had a great lead in . I appreciate that

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because at one of the A L C or S L C

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classes , after I went through the

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presentation and opened up a question ,

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somebody , one of the students stood up

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and said , well , sergeant major , who

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are you and asked me that question and ,

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yeah , I went down the list of , you

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know , I'm , I'm a son , I'm a brother ,

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I'm a father , I'm a husband now a

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grandfather . I'm a soldier ,

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also a non commissioned officer and I'm

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a leader . And yes , I do have goals

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and I do have things that drive me to

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do things . But number

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one , for me at that time was I

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was privileged to be in that audience

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and have the attention of those folks .

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So who am I ? I'm an individual that's

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privileged to have had an

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amazing opportunity to be a

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soldier and a leader in the United

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States army . And I'm a privileged

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opportunity that you would invest your

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time in listening to what I have to

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share with you . So thank you very much

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for your attention . And the question

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that was posed for the topic of this

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conversation was why does it matter

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because of you , it matters because

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of every single soldier , marine

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sailor , airman , partner nation ,

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any other individual that life is

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impacted by what you do , how you train ,

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how you lead , how you take care of

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those that you are privileged to lead

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their lives are changed by you . So

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whether you realize it or not , it

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matters because so many of those people

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can't , don't or won't ever say thank

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you . So thank you for what you've done

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every single day to make sure that

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lives are better . That's why it

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matters because what you do today will

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positively and hopefully not negatively

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impact somebody tomorrow . Thanks very

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much for your attention . I do

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appreciate it .

