Okay everybody , we'll go ahead and get
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of people that will join us as we get
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tomorrow . Um It'll be on the
environmental tab as with all the other
previously recorded videos . So with
that being said mr Gorky , I'm going to
hand it over to you to begin . Good
evening everyone . And again my name is
Christopher Gorky . I'm the remedial
project manager here at Cannon Air
Force Base with the Air Force Civil
Engineer Center . So I'm gonna turn off
my webcam and we'll get into the
presentation today .
So with always on these meetings
they're meant to enable communication
with the community and provide a status
update and to inform you of the data
that has become available as we go
through this remedial investigation and
also our engineering evaluation cost
analysis project that also has the
pilot study . This is our opportunity
to partner with the community and to
share information and also listen to
your concerns as misty said when
uh we are done with these meetings ,
these are recorded and are listed up on
our Canon P . A . Website and then also
as we finalize documents throughout
this process , we also post them to our
tech administrative record which I'll
have the link available in a later
slide and also document numbers and
explain how you can access those easily
by doing this . This ensures
transparency and availability of all
information to everyone here in the
community .
Now I'd like to start out talking a
little bit about our new engineering
evaluation , cost analysis and pilot
study where we're at now with that . So
initially when I brought this up to the
community , this was the original draft
design of where we had anticipated the
pilot study to go and that location is
still where we're going to do it on the
left side . You see some a picture that
shows where our paleo channel is and
also the general idea of where the
groundwater flow is . That shows why we
kind of chose that area and also tying
into those orange dots down there where
those were the higher concentrations of
impact that were discovered during our
site investigation now where we're at
now in this process for our pilot study
is that dark circle with the X . In it ,
in the middle southeast corner there .
We have installed a well there and that
is where we have performed the aquifer
test portion of this pilot study . So
we installed that well And then we did
some different variable rate tests of
50 100 and 150 gallons per minute for
one hour each . And then also we did a
constant rate test of 100 gallons per
minute for 48 hours and then a recovery
test which included no pumping for 24
hours . This testing was completed in
december of last year between the
fourth and the eighth and this is to
help determine the hydraulic
conductivity . So how much water that
we can potentially pull out of there .
And this data will go into our three D
groundwater modeling and help us design
and layout , how we would do this pilot
study . And again that pilot study is a
pump and treat system that will pull
water out of the aquifer , treat it and
then re inject it back into the aquifer .
So after we've collected that data from
that aquifer test We take it and then
we go into a 3D groundwater modeling
And so some of that we have the I'm
going to discuss is our model scope and
it's a simplified model of the aquifer
located in the southeastern corner of
Cannon Air Force Base . This model has
been calibrated using the aquifer test
data that we have and it's used to
simulate that design layout to help us
develop and come up with
recommendations for those extraction
wells and injection well layouts and
also the potential pumping rates that
we may be able to use
now with that the overview of the
construction of the model , so mod flow
is the actual software that three D .
Software for the groundwater modeling .
That model consists of the saturated
zone of the lower lower Ogallala . So
that's where the water in the aquifer
is located and then utilizing data from
the USGS , the top layer which is that
vato zone that does not contain any
water . And then the confining layer
which is the chin lee formation order
sometimes known as the red beds . It's
that confining layer at the bottom ,
makes up the model of the aquifer for
this .
So a few of the limitations that we
have is this is just intended for the
pilot system and is based on current
available data that we have . So
conductivity and storage are assumed to
be homogeneous with this and off based
irrigation . Well pumping rates are
also assumed with this and then the
scenarios that have been ran through
this model , our steady state
simulations , so it doesn't take into
account seasonal changes . So with this
then we'll go over to the domain and
extent and the properties of it . So
this is kind of just a general layout
of that model in the area . So the
yellow is the model domain area ,
the blue . So the plie alike some of
those are historic and some of them are
current are thought to be the potential
pathways for some of this transmitting
the triple F . The preface befo down
through the ground into the groundwater .
The red circles are some of our
potential locations for that fast
impact . And then the monitoring wells
that you see , we're the ones that were
used throughout this process of the
aquifer test to determine the impacts
as they're pulling water out , how does
it affect the areas around it ?
Now , taking that data from the aquifer
test in this chart shows the drawdowns
which on the left side of that that is
in feet and then the time is in days .
So as they've drawn this out through
the steady state , 100 gallons per
minute for that two day period . They
draw that out and we have monitoring
equipment and those monitoring wells
there that will tell us how much it
draws down on those wells as we're
pulling out water from that monitor
earth from the extraction well . So we
take that data and plug it into this
chart and it shows us how over a period
of time that constant draw affects
that area outside there . So we take
that data and then it goes into
calibrating our three D . Modeling . So
the red line on this graph here is
actually showing real data And then the
blue line shows are calibrated . So the
computed lines . So as we go into this
modeling to show drawdown based on our
different scenarios , you can see that
it's calibrated to show very similar
reaction to what it shows in real life
from now . With this right here , this
simulation , this is one of our
simulation results , but this is with
no extraction wells and no injection
wells . This is just current status
with the uh well off base the
irrigation well pumping . And so I want
to be very clear that these green lines
that you see do not represent P fast or
P pfoa in anyway , this is so this is
again in this three D modeling . So all
the data that goes into it , then they
put in these particles and it simulates
how based on the ground water flow and
how these wells and irrigation wells .
And eventually when we go into the
different simulations how those
extraction wells and injection wells
will affect the flow of these particles .
So again , this is not representative
of the plume flow . This is , we're
looking at how we can address and set
up our actual pilot study for this .
Now with our scenarios , I'm not gonna
show all of them , I'm gonna show the
best scenario that we had and this is
the one right here , we ran 10
different scenarios through it at
different rates with different um
gallons per minute , different
locations extraction wells being
located at different places but of all
of them , this one right here shows the
best results and the best capture
results of all of them and which is
having the three extraction wells being
on that eastern boundary , with the six
injection wells being on the southern
boundary . And as you can see based on
the simulation , it shows that it
causes the particles to go over and be
captured through those extraction wells .
And again this is a simulation and this
is data that will have to be verified
in the actual pilot study and that's
some of our , when I go to our
recommendations here , The
recommendations are again those three
extraction wells looking at 200 gallons
per minute total for 600 gallons per
minute , 200 gallons each , well for
600 gallons per minute and then six
injection wells , 100 gallons per
minute each with 600 gallons toll . Now
again , those limitations are hydraulic
capture is going to be validated while
we actually do the pilot system . So
once we finalized designing it ,
install it and start running it , we'll
have to pull samples for monitoring
wells around the area and determine is
it in fact capturing all of that plume
that's going through that area . And
then once we do that , we also are
looking at the pumping rates and well
configuration . Can we get 200 gallons
per minute . Can we do the injection
rate of 100 gallons per minute in each
one of those . Do they need to be
adjusted in location ? So this is again
this is the pilot study to determine
what do we need to do to get that full
hydraulic capture in that area . Now as
we design this the building and
everything is meant to be expandable so
when we get to the end of the Ika and
we gather all of this data and as we
gather data through the remedial
investigation that will all go in there
and it will give us an output . And if
it says that we do need a larger pump
and treat system to get that full
hydraulic capture , this has been
planned into the building and how we
will lay out the equipment so that way
it can be expanded we can put in
additional extraction and injection
wells and upgrade this system fully .
So that way we can get that full
capture of those particles coming
through there so that the emphasis
impact can capture that .
So right now on our timeline as I said
we've completed the aquifer test , we
have also completed the treat ability
study both of those things are going
into our design and work plan for that .
We are currently started the process
for doing the design and once we get
what I'll call a design a draft final
design and it's done internally . We
will send that out to enemy D and E . P .
A For a 30 day comment period so that
way we can get their inputs and
comments and leverage their expertise
to ensure that we have a really good
design on this pilot study and utilize
it to the best of its ability . Once we
get their comments back and incorporate
it we will finalize it and then look to
start construction as soon as possible .
So as I mentioned before we have a
remedial investigation going and
currently we have started the fieldwork
and we've completed 38 on base and 32
off based soil samples 19 on base and
32 off based groundwater samples . And
we're currently starting the process Of
installation of 13 new monitoring wells
on base . And once we get some of that
data back from the groundwater samples
off base we'll start looking at
potential locations for off based
additional groundwater monitoring wells
so we can install and collect
additional data that way because again
the whole point of the remedial
investigation is to determine that
nature and extent . What does that
plume look like , where is it going ?
How big and what do we need to do so we
can address that in the long term .
Again this information right here as we
collect this this is filtered back into
our engineering evaluation , cost
analysis and we'll go into looking at
those interim responses that we can put
in place . Now that will eventually
feed into our long term response to
fully clean up the area that has been
impacted . So going
forward again with the eca pilot study ,
we've started that design phase , we're
going to continue to go through it ,
get that design completed . And once we
do that send it out for E . P . A . And
an M . E . D . 30 day comment period ,
get those comments back , finalize it
and start the actual construction of it
remedial investigation . We're going to
continue that fieldwork both on and off
based collecting samples . And our next
public quarterly update is tentatively
planned for 15 of June mhm . And
as I said earlier are additional
information so that administrative
record linked to Cannon Air Force Base
Reports is located here . And there's
also going to be a spot on our p a
website where this information will
also be located with some additional uh
information on how you actually go
through there . So when you click this
site you click continue to cite , then
you select Cannon Air Force Base and
then there's a location where you can
enter the R . Number and then select
search and it will bring up each of
these documents and then you can
download them and look at them at your
leisure . And in one of our first
public meetings which was actually one
year ago today . So this is our fifth
public meeting that we've had . It was
requested that we have a list of common
acronyms . So the next two slides are
common acronyms that we just keep in
here . So that way people can easily
reference this . So if you get lost in
some of the jargon , it's easy to
understand what those words are . Um I
try to always make sure that I I say
them out fully and don't use that that
lingo . So at this point
I will transition over to , we're gonna
hand it back over to Miss Mikado and
we'll open it up for questions . I
believe that we have representation
from both EPA and the agency for toxic
substances and disease registry . And
then we also have our contractors from
bryce who is our our
pilot study contractor and then bristol
who is our remedial investigation on
the calls also . Um I'll try to field
all your questions and then as needed
we can bring in others to answer .
Alright ? Yeah . Thank you . So um a
couple , just a couple of reminders
just please maintain your mic and on
mute and your cameras off until you're
ready to ask the question . Um and then
once you've asked your question and we
move on to the next person , please put
your mic back on mute . Um you're
welcome to raise your hand using the
hand raising feature in zoom or you can
ask your question in the chat and I
will read it aloud for us to get some
answers to it . So Mr Bradley , you've
got your hand up . So why don't I turn
the floor over to you ? Thank you very
much , I have a few questions and may
probably get a few more uh for the
record , I represent dairy farmers of
America and we're very obviously very
concerned about this whole process and
project . I noticed in your maps that
you started with Mr Gorky that it's
good . Nice to see you again , sir . Uh
But I noticed in your maps it was a
little unclear exactly where the plume
was and I'm not sure that that that
particular map did that , what we're
looking for is a map that might be
similar . And as I understand it ,
you've finished your testing back in
december . So my question
on that is that do you have a map that
it kind of shows the where the bases
versus uh outside of the base . How
far out that plume did go and and the
direction that it did go . Thank you
for that question . It's good to see
you too . Mr Bradley . Uh Right now ,
no , that's actually part of the
remedial investigation is determining
and developing that picture of what
that plume looks like . We have gone
out and taken samples off base for the
groundwater . We're waiting to get that
data back from the laboratories . And
so that will eventually go into giving
us that picture . When a map will be
developed on that , I'm not exactly
sure . But as soon as we get that ,
that will help start to put together a
map and then again as I said , when we
get that data back from those samples
off base , that's also gonna help us
determine where we're gonna put new
monitoring wells off base Um to start
with , we're gonna do 15 new additional
monitoring wells off base with the
ability to expand if needed . Initially
we didn't About 70% of the work is
going to be done up front . So we left
some in the back . So that way , if we
need to step it out to make sure we
fully delineate and determine where
that plume is we'll be able to do that .
So the the direct answer to your
question is no map does not exist
currently to be able to show you what
that plume looks like . But as we start
getting that data back um I will be
working to share that in these meetings .
So as soon as we have something that is
shareable that I can show where the
outer limits are that we know or any
results that we have , I'll be sharing
it here in this forum for y'all . Okay
as a follow up on , on the map on the
model map that you had with your
extraction wells , what kind of
distance did you use on that or um for
work outside of where you're gonna do
your extractions . Um
can can you elaborate on that question
a little bit when I was looking at your
extraction and and injection . Well ,
models , you had your your your
extraction wells look like east of
cannon . Oh , I , I think I
understand where you're going with this
now . So all of this is located on base .
All of it is located on the southeast
corner right now because of um , so
again , this is an interim response .
So it's something we can do now . And
the reason we can do it now is based on
the data that we have so far . And
that's where as we collect more data
through the remedial investigation and
those feed into that eca so the
engineering evaluation , cost analysis
and as we continue through our remedial
investigation , if we get more data
that shows that we could potentially
implement another interim response down
the road before the end of the remedial
investigation , then we could do that
too . But right now , based on where we
know the highest concentration is where
the groundwater flow is and where those
paleo channels are . This is this gave
us the information to know that this is
a prime location to put this pilot
study and potentially a full scale
pumping treat system because this is
showing we we already know that this is
where the biggest portion of that
preface impact is coming off of the
base . And so we can attack that
now . And and so that's why we're
targeting that area right there . And
and then 1 , 1 final question ,
uh did you , did you're a
timeline say that you hope to start
construction in july of this year . Is
that correct ? As long as we get the uh
design done and we get that 30 day
comment period done . Yes sir . Now ,
given with everything on supply and
demand and getting things here that may
shift . Uh Because I mean
everybody has everybody's aware
sometimes getting the supplies now has
been an issue and has caused some
delays in different areas . But that is
our hope is to get that executed as
soon as possible . So as soon as we
have a final design , then we're going
to start figuring out when can we get
people in the field which is sooner the
better . And then my final question Mr
jerky . And I know you're you're doing
you're heading up the engineering side
of it . But R r congressional
delegation has gotten approval for
acquisition of some properties . Have
you heard anything about acquisition of
contaminated property ? So the last
guidance that we have been given was
from the last N . D . A . And again
that is to to not sound like a broken
record . But uh we're our
guidance is to use that circle a
process to go through there and
establish that unacceptable risk
because as of right now there's not
those promulgated standards . So from
FDA USDA and E . P . A . To establish
that unacceptable risk . So we have to
go through this process to do the
investigation and that is what we can
do there now it is a future tool that
can be utilized after unacceptable risk
is determined . But this is the
guidance that D . O . D . And the Air
force has given us and this is what we
are operating on . I got you . Thank
you . Mr appreciate appreciate it . Not
a problem . Thank you sir .
Mr Martin . You've got your hand up .
Would you like to ask your question ?
Yes thank you . I'd like to continue to
express my concerns with the
possibility of re injection that's
really introducing contaminants into
our our aquifers while we're all here
anyway . And I'd hate to see another
chance of that happening . So if
there's any way to maybe find an
alternate use for the filtered water I
would highly recommend that my other
concern there again as a county
commissioner is uh what's being done
for those off off base I can
understand what Mr Kirk is doing with
his uh filter and data driven
um process .
But what is happening now is it
continues to devastate agriculture in
that area through the
filters is important but we also need
to look at what we can do that is
harming those that their livelihood is
based off this contaminated water and
that's all I have .
Thank you sir . And it's good to hear
from you Mr martin . So with that on
the re injection part of that is
there's a lot of sampling that goes
into that before it gets reinjected .
And so there's we we understand that
concern of that potential introduction
of any other contaminants because it
would defeat the whole purpose of this
pilot study . Uh So in that the system
is definitely being looked at and made
sure that there's a rigorous sampling
that we will do to make sure that the
system is operating at its peak
performance and not having any
breakthrough or allowing any
contaminants to go through there and
we'll be cleaning out it and then re
injecting it back down there . If any
we will have the system is set up to
have automatic shutdowns . So that way
there isn't any degradation of the
system that could potentially cause
introduction of anything in there . And
then with that to your question about
the off base so what we are able to do
right now with the lifetime health
advisories as those locations that were
above the lifetime health advisories we
were able to provide them water and we
were able to install three point of use
filtration systems at the one location .
And so based on the guidance that we
have currently we can only address that
human water consumption and that's back
to where um needing those promulgated
standards from USDA and FDA getting
them to set those standards to allow us
to spend taxpayer's dollars for the
other side of things . Thank
you .
Um We have Mr mr scott has asked a few
questions in our chat room Um Art would
you like me to read these aloud or
would you like to um take take yourself
off of mute and ask the questions ?
Well I just want to ask mr Gorky I see
where he's having the injection was
located . But the the question I
have is just north of that . There was
a big run off like that's also
contaminated with the foss and that
is running more east south and east of
where those uh what you're going to re
inject the water . So basically you're
going to re inject water back into the
contaminated aquifer . And I'm I'm kind
of confused why you'd want to do that .
And you know where you are locating
your your your source pumps , you're
gonna you say you're going to get 200
gallons a minute and you're gonna be uh
you know you're you're kinda in your
kind of encroaching on other people's
water rights in that area . And the
other side is uh I just got a real
issue with how you're going to do that .
And you know you've got this model ,
you've got this simulation and you have
this study and you know and I
appreciate you guys want to study this
and then simulate it . But at the end
of the day reality is this water has
gone through the Air Force Base and
it's coming through property and you
keep talking about an interim , you
know guidance but the E . P . A . Is
gonna pass This in 2023 it's
gonna happen , it wasn't . And so
I'm not sure why you guys are playing
games with doing studies when you just
need to go out and put filters on the
existing wells that are contaminated
and start cleaning it up . I mean I
mean you you can study it all day long
but the reality is it's already passed
the Air Force Gates , it's downstream .
And you know , another thing I would
like to mention is this new rippy
project that you have that this county
or the state has allowed you guys to uh
conserve water north and west of the
Air Force Base when those guys quit
pumping that water is gonna come
through the Air Force base faster . And
that's great . But the problem is the
contamination south and east of the Air
Force base is going to continue to run .
And if you think 600 gallons a minute
is going to capture the plume coming
through the Air Force Base , there's
hundreds of thousands of gallons that
are coming underneath the Air Force
Base and going right through to the
south and east to other farmers . So to
me this is a pie in the sky plan . And
I know you're trying your hardest and I
know you're trying to do all these laws
and inca regulations and all you're
saying here sir . But to me you're
you're you're wasting a lot of federal
government money And so yes , I do have
those questions . If you'd like to read
those , I would well thank you art and
I appreciate your questions and I
understand your concerns . Again , I'm
I'm part of this community and I live
here and that's why I worked so hard to
try to push this investigation through
because I understand how this does
impact the local community now ,
bringing it back . When we talk about
these aquifer tests and stuff , it's
going into the design of this system .
So it's not necessarily studying it to
death . But before we just go slap a
system in there , we've got to look at
how that aquifer works and that's what
that aquifer test has done and it goes
into there and based on the modeling ,
it's showing us that this system will
work in this way . Now we do have our
constraints and our limitations because
some of this is simulated . And that's
why again , we're going to install
additional monitoring wells with this
project to confirm , does this work ?
Is it capturing it all ? And then if
that's not the case and it's not
capturing that entire area there , we
will be looking at expanding it because
again , this is the small portion .
This is what I can legally spend
taxpayer's dollars on , based on the
requirements that are out there . Now ,
what the epa is doing is great because
that will help us be able to do more
down the road . But that's down the
road . This is what I can do now to be
aggressive on this and start trying to
affect an interim clean up now . And so
that's why we're going this way to do
this pilot study here and yes it's
called a study but it is actually
affecting cleanup of that aquifer .
It's gonna give us data that we need to
know . So that way we can determine Can
we pull 600 gallons a minute or can we
do more or is that not the case ? Do we
need those wells closer together or
farther apart ? Where can we do that re
injection And are we cleaning
everything up ? Is it efficient enough ?
All that data is going to come out of
there and help us continue to clean
that up because at that point we cut
off that once we get that system right
there and it is working and we get that
plume captured right there , we're
stopping that off based migration and
now you've got clean water coming off
of the base as that works .
Then we're still doing our remedial
investigation determining what that off
based plume is . So the E . P . A . Is
going to set those standards and by
that time when they have those
standards done we can then turn around
and do actions off base but where I'm
at now with the legal drivers and
spending of taxpayer's dollars . This
is what the Air Force can legally do
right now and to affect some clean up
now so that that is where we're at with
this process . So it's not trying to
study it to death , but it's trying to
move forward through this process and
get us to where we can do that long
term cleanup . But we want to do clean
up now and this is what we can do
within our constraints . We're we're
trying to , you know , keep moving
forward with this process . Can I
respond to you sir ? You say you want
to , you say you want to clean up now ?
That's not clean up now , that's just
studying now . You're just studying and
and with all due respect sir , you say
that the USDA doesn't recognize this as
a , you know , the the interim guidance ,
the , the USDA does recognize it as a
hazardous waste because they do not
allow that milk to get on the market ,
They do not allow the beef to be in the
market . They landfill will not even
take the dead carcasses that are coming
off properties there that the animals
have died . So in the NRCS is
also using the interim guidance
at hazardous waste . So I
think that what's weird and what's
crazy is you guys are not wanting to
recognize this is a hazardous waste ,
but the rest of the the the government
is . And so I think that there needs to
be more communication between the two
because I'm on both sides of the fence .
I have you guys not recognizing it as a
hazardous waste but I have the USDA
recognizing it . And so I think there's
there's some there's some in depth uh
explanation that needs to be done .
Third what it boils down to is right
now the E . P . A . Has not listed it
as hazardous waste . Therefore the Air
Force must continue down this path on
that . If there's not promulgated
standards , we cannot spend taxpayer's
dollars on something that is not listed
as a hazardous waste . It has nothing
to do with want or desire . It is we
are bound by federal law and regulation
and that is how we must do it . Now .
Back to again where you say it's a
study ? I disagree because again this
is it's a pilot . Yes called pilot
study . But it is actually cleaning the
aquifer and again it's going to go into
once the proportion is done . We can
expand that to a full scale system that
will if if if these models are
not completely accurate and we don't
get full capture . We can then expand
it to ensure that we do get full
capture . So it will be affecting
cleanup in the near future .
Right .
Mhm . So I guess uh I'd like to have
those questions read for me please .
Yes sir mm hmm . The first question is ,
are you currently filtering water at
Cannon Air Force Base ? No .
Do you have results of water samples
off base completed for the public ?
We are those are currently at the
laboratory and waiting on the results
from that . And again with these being
off base samples at private areas and
we have P . Ii . Concern that will be
handled cautiously because all members
have told me that they do not want them
released to the public . So we'll have
to be cautious on how we handle that
personally identifiable information .
Um , what have you spent on the pilot
project and what do you expect to spend
after it's completed The contract award
for ? It is $16.6 million . And after
it , it's unknown because we have to go
through this process . And that is also
including the Echo which is the
engineering evaluation . Cost analysis
is a requirement to be completed before
you can do any cleanup process as an
interim action throughout the circle
process . So we must complete the IKA
and we're doing the pilot study that
will start cleanup now and provide
additional information to that ECA and
lead into a full interim response in
the near future . So with that , it
depends on what the ECA outputs are and
tells us what will need to be done at
that point . Then we'll go back and do
estimates and determine what that cost
will be . And then we can go back out
and request funds also on that . That
will depend on what the regulatory um ,
climate looks like and what changes
have been made . And have they been
listed as a hazardous waste or has E .
P . A . Not listed it yet . So there's
a lot of factors that go into answering
that question that can't be answered
now , mm hmm .
Let's see .
Um , you state you have plans
on monitor wells off base . Why not use
the existing wells that are positive
and just start pumping and cleaning
more holes , create more potential
pollution . Again . That goes back to
there's no promulgated standards . And
we have to go based on the data that we
have . We're trying to get the remedial
investigation data so we can determine
what that plume is and determine what
an effective cleanup method would be in
the future . Once we've completed that
remedial investigation ,
Mr Bradley , you've raised your hand .
Would you like to amuse yourself and
ask your question ? Yes , thank you .
This is kind of a follow up on the A .
P . A . And I understand . I think I
don't know if he pays on this call
represent or not . But uh , surely MR
could could give me some kind of a
response . It's my understanding that
EPA has has through their process
declared FIFA's and and something like
that . I can't remember eight or 9 , 10 .
11 of the forever chemicals .
Yeah , but I have yet to hear anything
about the status of the ah
cap . The parts poor trillion .
Can you give us any update at all ? Or
can someone give us an update of where
the heck is E . P . A . They had a big
publicity about making declarations but
I haven't don't ever seen any follow up .
I won't speak directly for E . P . A .
By any means and it's Mr Greg lucy's on
he can elaborate if I don't hit all the
marks . But they did put out the road
map towards um creating and developing
the rules and regulations and listing
potentially those certain chemicals as
hazardous waste . And so they put out
that roadmap and I believe it was P . F .
B . X . And the gen x um item
of constituents of the breakfast family
is the exact details on the road map .
I don't have that again . That's that
was on the E . P . A . And they had to
put that out but nothing was
immediately done . Like they didn't set
any regulations right then . They had
put a roadmap out saying this is what
our plans are and we will be doing this
going forward . So so you haven't heard
any conclusions since that day that
basically . No sir I have not . Hey
chris this is Greg lissy , can you hear
me ? Yes sir I can . Thank you . I'm
I'm with the P . A . And . And just to
clarify that we did put out the
strategic roadmap last year and we've
set out the process for a couple of
different things . One is to be on the
track to determine whether or not we
need to have an M . C . L . For the
five fast compounds chris mentioned and
everyone here is predominantly
concerned about Pfoa and PFOs and those
are those are on the list and it's a
process to do that through our office
of Water and we are going through that
right now we're trying to collect more
information across the country on how
much emphasis out their water the
levels . And then once we get that
information we will come up with an
actual M . C . L . Number right now we
have the number out there of 70 parts
per trillion . When we set an M . C . L .
It will possibly be lower than that .
We don't know until we get there . So
and I know it takes a while . Uh but
unfortunately that's just how it is
when you're talking about looking at
different compounds and adding them to
the M . C . L . S . Thank you for that
information . Do you have a timeline at
all that you're trying to target date
Somewhere you're trying to get to ? The
target date is 2023 . To have that
number at the end of 2023 . So that is
our target date At the end of 2023 .
Yes Sir December time frame and that
seems like a long way out . But we have
a system that just came into place uh
in december of this year where we're
going to go out and look at All the
different water systems and they're
going to be monitoring for 29 different
preface compounds 2022 . They started
going meeting with the various water
purveyors . They will start collecting
that data in Early 2023 Fy
2023 . So then we have to get that
information see what's out there and
then use that to come up with what
number is reasonable for an M . C . L .
All right , thank you sir . Yes sir .
Thank you . Mr alessi and thank you
walter Bradley . I appreciate your
questions . Well , thank you .
Mr martin . You have another question .
Just a reminder , yep . There you go .
I am . Thank you for that . As we're
talking about this pumping of the plume ,
you know , for the filter . I know
that's in the future . But what kind of
water rights does Canon or the D . O .
D . Currently have that can be used to
do that . Um you know , the state
engineer requires you to have water
rights for us as farmers in the ag
industry , we have to have so many
water rights to do this just can't and
have sufficient water rights or will
they have to look outside the base to
purchase water rights in order to
finish out this process . Well with
that we're working close with our legal
counsel and ensuring that we meet all
the the requirements . But with this we
are , you know , legal is managing that
aspect but that's also another reason
for the injection wells is to have a
net zero effect on the aquifer .
Well I guess that somewhat answers it ,
but if it gets to a point that it's not
a net zero will Canon go out
like Clovis has in the past and bought
water rights like they gave to the
cheese plant . I mean to be honest , I
I can't speak to that part until we get
to there again . That's that's more of
the legal side of things that we'll
have to address it if and when we come
to it , we don't anticipate that issue
based on the data that we've collected
so far . But if it is something that
will be something that we address down
the road ,
mr martin , did you have any other
questions ? Mhm .
No , I do not . Thank you . So just
as a reminder the chat room , the or
the chat box is open . If you'd like to
put your questions in there , otherwise
you can use the raise hand feature if
you have a question that you would like
to ask .
Okay , well um in the absence of any
further questions , we will go ahead
and wrap up tonight's call um for if
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And otherwise , we look forward to
seeing you at our next quarterly call ,
which is tentatively scheduled for june
15th . Thank you everyone , everyone
for joining , and we look forward to
seeing you next time . Thank you .
Appreciate it . Thank you .