WEBVTT 00:06.940 --> 00:09.162 Okay everybody , we'll go ahead and get 00:09.162 --> 00:11.329 started . I'm sure we'll have a couple 00:11.329 --> 00:13.440 of people that will join us as we get 00:13.440 --> 00:16.400 going . Um Thank you for joining the 00:16.410 --> 00:19.270 Cannon Air Force Base . Um fast public 00:19.280 --> 00:22.750 update , Quarterly update . Um We my 00:22.750 --> 00:24.806 name is Miss Teen Ricardo . I'm with 00:24.806 --> 00:26.930 the 27 Special Operations wing Public 00:26.930 --> 00:29.310 Affairs we want to say a special thank 00:29.310 --> 00:32.160 you tonight to our wing leadership 00:32.170 --> 00:35.300 that's in attendance as well as our 00:35.300 --> 00:38.580 curry and Roosevelt county local and 00:38.580 --> 00:41.550 Clovis representatives . Um so a couple 00:41.550 --> 00:43.550 of ground rules before we jump into 00:43.550 --> 00:45.820 tonight , please be mindful of your 00:45.820 --> 00:49.210 mute button . 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We will be putting it 02:20.924 --> 02:23.147 up on the Cannon Air Force Base website 02:23.147 --> 02:25.280 tomorrow . Um It'll be on the 02:25.280 --> 02:27.820 environmental tab as with all the other 02:27.820 --> 02:30.370 previously recorded videos . So with 02:30.370 --> 02:33.530 that being said mr Gorky , I'm going to 02:33.530 --> 02:37.420 hand it over to you to begin . Good 02:37.420 --> 02:39.642 evening everyone . And again my name is 02:39.642 --> 02:41.698 Christopher Gorky . I'm the remedial 02:41.698 --> 02:43.642 project manager here at Cannon Air 02:43.642 --> 02:45.642 Force Base with the Air Force Civil 02:45.642 --> 02:48.020 Engineer Center . So I'm gonna turn off 02:48.030 --> 02:49.950 my webcam and we'll get into the 02:49.950 --> 02:51.117 presentation today . 02:57.040 --> 02:58.873 So with always on these meetings 02:58.873 --> 03:00.984 they're meant to enable communication 03:00.984 --> 03:03.207 with the community and provide a status 03:03.207 --> 03:05.262 update and to inform you of the data 03:05.262 --> 03:07.207 that has become available as we go 03:07.207 --> 03:09.530 through this remedial investigation and 03:09.530 --> 03:12.970 also our engineering evaluation cost 03:12.970 --> 03:15.150 analysis project that also has the 03:15.150 --> 03:17.560 pilot study . This is our opportunity 03:17.560 --> 03:19.616 to partner with the community and to 03:19.616 --> 03:21.680 share information and also listen to 03:21.680 --> 03:24.660 your concerns as misty said when 03:24.670 --> 03:27.280 uh we are done with these meetings , 03:27.280 --> 03:29.502 these are recorded and are listed up on 03:29.502 --> 03:32.510 our Canon P . A . Website and then also 03:32.510 --> 03:34.770 as we finalize documents throughout 03:34.770 --> 03:38.060 this process , we also post them to our 03:38.290 --> 03:40.450 tech administrative record which I'll 03:40.450 --> 03:42.394 have the link available in a later 03:42.394 --> 03:44.990 slide and also document numbers and 03:44.990 --> 03:47.212 explain how you can access those easily 03:47.740 --> 03:49.351 by doing this . This ensures 03:49.360 --> 03:51.960 transparency and availability of all 03:51.970 --> 03:54.310 information to everyone here in the 03:54.310 --> 03:55.360 community . 03:58.140 --> 04:00.500 Now I'd like to start out talking a 04:00.500 --> 04:02.556 little bit about our new engineering 04:02.556 --> 04:04.611 evaluation , cost analysis and pilot 04:04.611 --> 04:06.970 study where we're at now with that . So 04:06.970 --> 04:09.192 initially when I brought this up to the 04:09.192 --> 04:11.414 community , this was the original draft 04:11.414 --> 04:13.670 design of where we had anticipated the 04:13.670 --> 04:16.160 pilot study to go and that location is 04:16.160 --> 04:18.382 still where we're going to do it on the 04:18.382 --> 04:21.960 left side . You see some a picture that 04:21.960 --> 04:24.670 shows where our paleo channel is and 04:24.670 --> 04:26.614 also the general idea of where the 04:26.614 --> 04:28.837 groundwater flow is . That shows why we 04:28.837 --> 04:31.620 kind of chose that area and also tying 04:31.620 --> 04:34.140 into those orange dots down there where 04:34.140 --> 04:36.670 those were the higher concentrations of 04:37.180 --> 04:39.740 impact that were discovered during our 04:39.740 --> 04:42.950 site investigation now where we're at 04:42.950 --> 04:45.900 now in this process for our pilot study 04:45.910 --> 04:49.210 is that dark circle with the X . In it , 04:49.220 --> 04:51.700 in the middle southeast corner there . 04:51.710 --> 04:53.932 We have installed a well there and that 04:53.932 --> 04:56.099 is where we have performed the aquifer 04:56.099 --> 04:58.500 test portion of this pilot study . So 04:58.500 --> 05:00.910 we installed that well And then we did 05:00.910 --> 05:03.070 some different variable rate tests of 05:03.070 --> 05:07.000 50 100 and 150 gallons per minute for 05:07.000 --> 05:09.800 one hour each . And then also we did a 05:09.800 --> 05:12.570 constant rate test of 100 gallons per 05:12.570 --> 05:15.440 minute for 48 hours and then a recovery 05:15.440 --> 05:18.550 test which included no pumping for 24 05:18.550 --> 05:21.490 hours . This testing was completed in 05:21.490 --> 05:23.900 december of last year between the 05:23.900 --> 05:26.060 fourth and the eighth and this is to 05:26.060 --> 05:27.690 help determine the hydraulic 05:27.690 --> 05:29.870 conductivity . So how much water that 05:29.870 --> 05:32.037 we can potentially pull out of there . 05:32.037 --> 05:34.240 And this data will go into our three D 05:34.240 --> 05:37.760 groundwater modeling and help us design 05:37.770 --> 05:40.950 and layout , how we would do this pilot 05:40.950 --> 05:43.172 study . And again that pilot study is a 05:43.172 --> 05:45.228 pump and treat system that will pull 05:45.228 --> 05:47.890 water out of the aquifer , treat it and 05:47.890 --> 05:50.750 then re inject it back into the aquifer . 05:52.940 --> 05:56.670 So after we've collected that data from 05:56.680 --> 05:59.700 that aquifer test We take it and then 05:59.700 --> 06:02.960 we go into a 3D groundwater modeling 06:03.540 --> 06:05.900 And so some of that we have the I'm 06:05.900 --> 06:08.830 going to discuss is our model scope and 06:08.840 --> 06:11.080 it's a simplified model of the aquifer 06:11.080 --> 06:13.390 located in the southeastern corner of 06:13.390 --> 06:16.190 Cannon Air Force Base . This model has 06:16.190 --> 06:18.810 been calibrated using the aquifer test 06:18.810 --> 06:20.920 data that we have and it's used to 06:20.920 --> 06:24.290 simulate that design layout to help us 06:24.290 --> 06:26.470 develop and come up with 06:26.470 --> 06:28.560 recommendations for those extraction 06:28.560 --> 06:30.860 wells and injection well layouts and 06:30.860 --> 06:32.971 also the potential pumping rates that 06:32.971 --> 06:34.460 we may be able to use 06:37.140 --> 06:39.430 now with that the overview of the 06:39.440 --> 06:42.910 construction of the model , so mod flow 06:42.910 --> 06:45.580 is the actual software that three D . 06:45.690 --> 06:47.912 Software for the groundwater modeling . 06:48.340 --> 06:51.080 That model consists of the saturated 06:51.080 --> 06:54.110 zone of the lower lower Ogallala . So 06:54.110 --> 06:56.221 that's where the water in the aquifer 06:56.221 --> 06:59.280 is located and then utilizing data from 06:59.280 --> 07:02.020 the USGS , the top layer which is that 07:02.020 --> 07:04.520 vato zone that does not contain any 07:04.520 --> 07:06.980 water . And then the confining layer 07:06.980 --> 07:09.091 which is the chin lee formation order 07:09.091 --> 07:11.258 sometimes known as the red beds . It's 07:11.258 --> 07:13.313 that confining layer at the bottom , 07:13.440 --> 07:16.600 makes up the model of the aquifer for 07:16.600 --> 07:17.060 this . 07:20.740 --> 07:22.920 So a few of the limitations that we 07:22.920 --> 07:26.530 have is this is just intended for the 07:26.530 --> 07:29.080 pilot system and is based on current 07:29.080 --> 07:31.980 available data that we have . So 07:31.990 --> 07:34.250 conductivity and storage are assumed to 07:34.250 --> 07:37.420 be homogeneous with this and off based 07:37.420 --> 07:39.420 irrigation . Well pumping rates are 07:39.420 --> 07:41.420 also assumed with this and then the 07:41.420 --> 07:43.476 scenarios that have been ran through 07:43.476 --> 07:45.142 this model , our steady state 07:45.142 --> 07:47.253 simulations , so it doesn't take into 07:47.253 --> 07:49.800 account seasonal changes . So with this 07:49.800 --> 07:52.870 then we'll go over to the domain and 07:52.870 --> 07:56.100 extent and the properties of it . So 07:56.100 --> 07:58.320 this is kind of just a general layout 07:58.330 --> 08:00.540 of that model in the area . So the 08:00.540 --> 08:04.360 yellow is the model domain area , 08:04.990 --> 08:07.140 the blue . So the plie alike some of 08:07.140 --> 08:09.362 those are historic and some of them are 08:09.362 --> 08:11.584 current are thought to be the potential 08:11.584 --> 08:14.180 pathways for some of this transmitting 08:14.210 --> 08:17.330 the triple F . The preface befo down 08:17.330 --> 08:19.663 through the ground into the groundwater . 08:20.240 --> 08:22.018 The red circles are some of our 08:22.018 --> 08:24.190 potential locations for that fast 08:24.200 --> 08:26.740 impact . And then the monitoring wells 08:26.740 --> 08:28.962 that you see , we're the ones that were 08:28.962 --> 08:31.820 used throughout this process of the 08:31.830 --> 08:34.930 aquifer test to determine the impacts 08:34.930 --> 08:37.350 as they're pulling water out , how does 08:37.350 --> 08:39.660 it affect the areas around it ? 08:43.740 --> 08:46.780 Now , taking that data from the aquifer 08:46.780 --> 08:50.580 test in this chart shows the drawdowns 08:50.580 --> 08:52.747 which on the left side of that that is 08:52.747 --> 08:55.660 in feet and then the time is in days . 08:56.140 --> 08:58.370 So as they've drawn this out through 08:58.370 --> 09:00.360 the steady state , 100 gallons per 09:00.360 --> 09:02.630 minute for that two day period . They 09:02.630 --> 09:05.570 draw that out and we have monitoring 09:05.570 --> 09:07.840 equipment and those monitoring wells 09:07.840 --> 09:11.030 there that will tell us how much it 09:11.030 --> 09:13.450 draws down on those wells as we're 09:13.450 --> 09:15.540 pulling out water from that monitor 09:15.550 --> 09:17.990 earth from the extraction well . So we 09:17.990 --> 09:20.140 take that data and plug it into this 09:20.140 --> 09:22.510 chart and it shows us how over a period 09:22.510 --> 09:26.270 of time that constant draw affects 09:26.270 --> 09:29.370 that area outside there . So we take 09:29.370 --> 09:31.940 that data and then it goes into 09:31.950 --> 09:34.420 calibrating our three D . Modeling . So 09:34.420 --> 09:37.170 the red line on this graph here is 09:37.170 --> 09:40.310 actually showing real data And then the 09:40.310 --> 09:42.910 blue line shows are calibrated . So the 09:42.910 --> 09:45.430 computed lines . So as we go into this 09:45.430 --> 09:48.110 modeling to show drawdown based on our 09:48.110 --> 09:50.280 different scenarios , you can see that 09:50.280 --> 09:53.250 it's calibrated to show very similar 09:53.740 --> 09:56.860 reaction to what it shows in real life 09:59.640 --> 10:02.030 from now . With this right here , this 10:02.030 --> 10:03.808 simulation , this is one of our 10:03.808 --> 10:05.919 simulation results , but this is with 10:05.919 --> 10:08.230 no extraction wells and no injection 10:08.230 --> 10:11.690 wells . This is just current status 10:11.700 --> 10:15.120 with the uh well off base the 10:15.120 --> 10:18.800 irrigation well pumping . And so I want 10:18.800 --> 10:21.022 to be very clear that these green lines 10:21.022 --> 10:24.340 that you see do not represent P fast or 10:24.340 --> 10:27.520 P pfoa in anyway , this is so this is 10:27.520 --> 10:30.580 again in this three D modeling . So all 10:30.580 --> 10:33.460 the data that goes into it , then they 10:33.470 --> 10:36.260 put in these particles and it simulates 10:36.260 --> 10:39.240 how based on the ground water flow and 10:39.240 --> 10:42.300 how these wells and irrigation wells . 10:42.300 --> 10:44.244 And eventually when we go into the 10:44.244 --> 10:46.022 different simulations how those 10:46.022 --> 10:48.370 extraction wells and injection wells 10:48.370 --> 10:51.160 will affect the flow of these particles . 10:52.040 --> 10:54.760 So again , this is not representative 10:54.770 --> 10:57.290 of the plume flow . This is , we're 10:57.290 --> 11:00.820 looking at how we can address and set 11:00.830 --> 11:04.060 up our actual pilot study for this . 11:07.140 --> 11:09.310 Now with our scenarios , I'm not gonna 11:09.310 --> 11:11.421 show all of them , I'm gonna show the 11:11.421 --> 11:13.532 best scenario that we had and this is 11:13.532 --> 11:15.254 the one right here , we ran 10 11:15.254 --> 11:17.143 different scenarios through it at 11:17.143 --> 11:19.032 different rates with different um 11:19.032 --> 11:20.754 gallons per minute , different 11:20.754 --> 11:22.588 locations extraction wells being 11:22.588 --> 11:24.754 located at different places but of all 11:24.754 --> 11:26.977 of them , this one right here shows the 11:26.977 --> 11:28.866 best results and the best capture 11:29.340 --> 11:31.770 results of all of them and which is 11:31.780 --> 11:34.100 having the three extraction wells being 11:34.100 --> 11:37.420 on that eastern boundary , with the six 11:37.430 --> 11:39.600 injection wells being on the southern 11:39.600 --> 11:43.420 boundary . And as you can see based on 11:43.420 --> 11:46.230 the simulation , it shows that it 11:46.230 --> 11:48.450 causes the particles to go over and be 11:48.450 --> 11:51.070 captured through those extraction wells . 11:51.070 --> 11:54.530 And again this is a simulation and this 11:54.530 --> 11:56.950 is data that will have to be verified 11:57.020 --> 12:00.140 in the actual pilot study and that's 12:00.140 --> 12:01.862 some of our , when I go to our 12:01.862 --> 12:03.420 recommendations here , The 12:03.420 --> 12:05.531 recommendations are again those three 12:05.531 --> 12:07.770 extraction wells looking at 200 gallons 12:07.770 --> 12:10.610 per minute total for 600 gallons per 12:10.610 --> 12:13.900 minute , 200 gallons each , well for 12:13.900 --> 12:16.490 600 gallons per minute and then six 12:16.490 --> 12:18.680 injection wells , 100 gallons per 12:18.680 --> 12:21.430 minute each with 600 gallons toll . Now 12:21.430 --> 12:23.652 again , those limitations are hydraulic 12:23.652 --> 12:25.819 capture is going to be validated while 12:25.819 --> 12:27.874 we actually do the pilot system . So 12:27.874 --> 12:30.110 once we finalized designing it , 12:30.380 --> 12:33.380 install it and start running it , we'll 12:33.380 --> 12:35.580 have to pull samples for monitoring 12:35.580 --> 12:38.210 wells around the area and determine is 12:38.210 --> 12:41.810 it in fact capturing all of that plume 12:41.810 --> 12:43.920 that's going through that area . And 12:43.920 --> 12:45.950 then once we do that , we also are 12:45.950 --> 12:48.061 looking at the pumping rates and well 12:48.061 --> 12:50.228 configuration . Can we get 200 gallons 12:50.228 --> 12:52.350 per minute . Can we do the injection 12:52.350 --> 12:54.517 rate of 100 gallons per minute in each 12:54.517 --> 12:56.406 one of those . Do they need to be 12:56.406 --> 12:58.700 adjusted in location ? So this is again 12:58.700 --> 13:00.756 this is the pilot study to determine 13:00.756 --> 13:02.922 what do we need to do to get that full 13:02.922 --> 13:05.640 hydraulic capture in that area . Now as 13:05.640 --> 13:08.180 we design this the building and 13:08.180 --> 13:10.460 everything is meant to be expandable so 13:10.460 --> 13:12.571 when we get to the end of the Ika and 13:12.571 --> 13:14.627 we gather all of this data and as we 13:14.627 --> 13:16.460 gather data through the remedial 13:16.460 --> 13:18.682 investigation that will all go in there 13:18.682 --> 13:20.849 and it will give us an output . And if 13:20.849 --> 13:24.000 it says that we do need a larger pump 13:24.000 --> 13:25.889 and treat system to get that full 13:25.889 --> 13:27.850 hydraulic capture , this has been 13:27.850 --> 13:29.950 planned into the building and how we 13:29.950 --> 13:32.117 will lay out the equipment so that way 13:32.117 --> 13:33.970 it can be expanded we can put in 13:33.980 --> 13:36.440 additional extraction and injection 13:36.440 --> 13:39.210 wells and upgrade this system fully . 13:39.210 --> 13:41.240 So that way we can get that full 13:41.250 --> 13:43.450 capture of those particles coming 13:43.450 --> 13:45.394 through there so that the emphasis 13:45.394 --> 13:47.160 impact can capture that . 13:50.940 --> 13:53.200 So right now on our timeline as I said 13:53.200 --> 13:55.311 we've completed the aquifer test , we 13:55.311 --> 13:57.422 have also completed the treat ability 13:57.422 --> 13:59.478 study both of those things are going 13:59.478 --> 14:01.756 into our design and work plan for that . 14:01.756 --> 14:04.230 We are currently started the process 14:04.230 --> 14:07.860 for doing the design and once we get 14:07.870 --> 14:10.770 what I'll call a design a draft final 14:10.770 --> 14:13.460 design and it's done internally . We 14:13.460 --> 14:16.060 will send that out to enemy D and E . P . 14:16.060 --> 14:18.650 A For a 30 day comment period so that 14:18.650 --> 14:20.860 way we can get their inputs and 14:20.860 --> 14:23.390 comments and leverage their expertise 14:23.400 --> 14:25.456 to ensure that we have a really good 14:25.456 --> 14:27.880 design on this pilot study and utilize 14:27.880 --> 14:30.600 it to the best of its ability . Once we 14:30.600 --> 14:32.822 get their comments back and incorporate 14:32.822 --> 14:35.170 it we will finalize it and then look to 14:35.170 --> 14:37.960 start construction as soon as possible . 14:42.240 --> 14:44.184 So as I mentioned before we have a 14:44.184 --> 14:46.140 remedial investigation going and 14:46.140 --> 14:49.350 currently we have started the fieldwork 14:49.360 --> 14:52.250 and we've completed 38 on base and 32 14:52.250 --> 14:55.870 off based soil samples 19 on base and 14:55.870 --> 14:58.190 32 off based groundwater samples . And 14:58.190 --> 15:01.420 we're currently starting the process Of 15:01.430 --> 15:04.310 installation of 13 new monitoring wells 15:04.320 --> 15:07.540 on base . And once we get some of that 15:07.540 --> 15:09.707 data back from the groundwater samples 15:09.707 --> 15:11.484 off base we'll start looking at 15:11.484 --> 15:13.670 potential locations for off based 15:13.680 --> 15:15.902 additional groundwater monitoring wells 15:15.902 --> 15:18.380 so we can install and collect 15:18.380 --> 15:20.547 additional data that way because again 15:20.547 --> 15:22.324 the whole point of the remedial 15:22.324 --> 15:24.360 investigation is to determine that 15:24.640 --> 15:26.584 nature and extent . What does that 15:26.584 --> 15:28.696 plume look like , where is it going ? 15:28.696 --> 15:30.918 How big and what do we need to do so we 15:30.918 --> 15:32.918 can address that in the long term . 15:33.240 --> 15:35.800 Again this information right here as we 15:35.800 --> 15:38.022 collect this this is filtered back into 15:38.022 --> 15:39.911 our engineering evaluation , cost 15:39.911 --> 15:42.360 analysis and we'll go into looking at 15:42.360 --> 15:44.582 those interim responses that we can put 15:44.582 --> 15:46.970 in place . Now that will eventually 15:46.970 --> 15:49.800 feed into our long term response to 15:49.800 --> 15:52.170 fully clean up the area that has been 15:52.170 --> 15:55.960 impacted . So going 15:55.960 --> 15:58.580 forward again with the eca pilot study , 15:58.590 --> 16:00.812 we've started that design phase , we're 16:00.812 --> 16:02.868 going to continue to go through it , 16:02.868 --> 16:05.090 get that design completed . And once we 16:05.090 --> 16:07.470 do that send it out for E . P . A . And 16:07.470 --> 16:09.637 an M . E . D . 30 day comment period , 16:09.940 --> 16:12.790 get those comments back , finalize it 16:12.800 --> 16:15.160 and start the actual construction of it 16:15.170 --> 16:17.392 remedial investigation . We're going to 16:17.392 --> 16:19.810 continue that fieldwork both on and off 16:19.820 --> 16:22.910 based collecting samples . And our next 16:22.920 --> 16:25.430 public quarterly update is tentatively 16:25.430 --> 16:29.270 planned for 15 of June mhm . And 16:29.280 --> 16:31.770 as I said earlier are additional 16:31.770 --> 16:33.730 information so that administrative 16:33.740 --> 16:36.180 record linked to Cannon Air Force Base 16:36.180 --> 16:39.980 Reports is located here . And there's 16:39.980 --> 16:43.420 also going to be a spot on our p a 16:43.420 --> 16:45.540 website where this information will 16:45.540 --> 16:49.340 also be located with some additional uh 16:49.350 --> 16:51.294 information on how you actually go 16:51.294 --> 16:53.461 through there . So when you click this 16:53.461 --> 16:55.628 site you click continue to cite , then 16:55.628 --> 16:57.683 you select Cannon Air Force Base and 16:57.683 --> 16:59.794 then there's a location where you can 16:59.794 --> 17:01.850 enter the R . Number and then select 17:01.850 --> 17:03.850 search and it will bring up each of 17:03.850 --> 17:05.683 these documents and then you can 17:05.683 --> 17:07.850 download them and look at them at your 17:07.850 --> 17:11.220 leisure . And in one of our first 17:11.230 --> 17:13.397 public meetings which was actually one 17:13.397 --> 17:15.508 year ago today . So this is our fifth 17:15.508 --> 17:17.674 public meeting that we've had . It was 17:17.674 --> 17:19.897 requested that we have a list of common 17:19.897 --> 17:22.410 acronyms . So the next two slides are 17:22.410 --> 17:24.720 common acronyms that we just keep in 17:24.720 --> 17:26.776 here . So that way people can easily 17:26.776 --> 17:29.410 reference this . So if you get lost in 17:29.410 --> 17:31.299 some of the jargon , it's easy to 17:31.299 --> 17:33.980 understand what those words are . Um I 17:33.980 --> 17:36.036 try to always make sure that I I say 17:36.036 --> 17:38.202 them out fully and don't use that that 17:38.202 --> 17:41.460 lingo . So at this point 17:42.040 --> 17:44.420 I will transition over to , we're gonna 17:44.490 --> 17:48.480 hand it back over to Miss Mikado and 17:48.480 --> 17:50.980 we'll open it up for questions . I 17:50.990 --> 17:53.590 believe that we have representation 17:53.590 --> 17:56.970 from both EPA and the agency for toxic 17:56.970 --> 17:59.830 substances and disease registry . And 17:59.830 --> 18:02.530 then we also have our contractors from 18:02.540 --> 18:06.080 bryce who is our our 18:06.280 --> 18:10.000 pilot study contractor and then bristol 18:10.010 --> 18:12.810 who is our remedial investigation on 18:12.810 --> 18:15.530 the calls also . Um I'll try to field 18:15.530 --> 18:17.641 all your questions and then as needed 18:17.641 --> 18:19.586 we can bring in others to answer . 18:21.040 --> 18:24.080 Alright ? Yeah . Thank you . So um a 18:24.080 --> 18:27.010 couple , just a couple of reminders 18:27.010 --> 18:29.800 just please maintain your mic and on 18:29.800 --> 18:31.967 mute and your cameras off until you're 18:31.967 --> 18:34.189 ready to ask the question . Um and then 18:34.189 --> 18:36.356 once you've asked your question and we 18:36.356 --> 18:38.578 move on to the next person , please put 18:38.578 --> 18:40.467 your mic back on mute . Um you're 18:40.467 --> 18:43.680 welcome to raise your hand using the 18:43.690 --> 18:45.912 hand raising feature in zoom or you can 18:45.912 --> 18:47.950 ask your question in the chat and I 18:47.950 --> 18:50.550 will read it aloud for us to get some 18:50.550 --> 18:52.830 answers to it . So Mr Bradley , you've 18:52.830 --> 18:55.110 got your hand up . So why don't I turn 18:55.110 --> 18:57.420 the floor over to you ? Thank you very 18:57.420 --> 19:01.210 much , I have a few questions and may 19:01.220 --> 19:04.140 probably get a few more uh for the 19:04.140 --> 19:06.251 record , I represent dairy farmers of 19:06.251 --> 19:09.660 America and we're very obviously very 19:09.660 --> 19:12.810 concerned about this whole process and 19:12.810 --> 19:16.300 project . I noticed in your maps that 19:16.300 --> 19:20.280 you started with Mr Gorky that it's 19:20.280 --> 19:23.500 good . Nice to see you again , sir . Uh 19:23.510 --> 19:26.240 But I noticed in your maps it was a 19:26.240 --> 19:28.900 little unclear exactly where the plume 19:28.900 --> 19:32.240 was and I'm not sure that that that 19:32.250 --> 19:34.540 particular map did that , what we're 19:34.540 --> 19:37.700 looking for is a map that might be 19:37.700 --> 19:39.644 similar . And as I understand it , 19:39.644 --> 19:42.760 you've finished your testing back in 19:42.760 --> 19:46.590 december . So my question 19:46.590 --> 19:49.360 on that is that do you have a map that 19:49.740 --> 19:52.290 it kind of shows the where the bases 19:52.290 --> 19:56.140 versus uh outside of the base . How 19:56.140 --> 19:59.340 far out that plume did go and and the 19:59.340 --> 20:02.440 direction that it did go . Thank you 20:02.440 --> 20:04.496 for that question . It's good to see 20:04.496 --> 20:06.607 you too . Mr Bradley . Uh Right now , 20:06.607 --> 20:08.440 no , that's actually part of the 20:08.440 --> 20:10.551 remedial investigation is determining 20:10.551 --> 20:14.010 and developing that picture of what 20:14.010 --> 20:16.620 that plume looks like . We have gone 20:16.620 --> 20:19.670 out and taken samples off base for the 20:19.670 --> 20:21.892 groundwater . We're waiting to get that 20:21.892 --> 20:24.190 data back from the laboratories . And 20:24.190 --> 20:26.357 so that will eventually go into giving 20:26.357 --> 20:28.412 us that picture . When a map will be 20:28.412 --> 20:30.412 developed on that , I'm not exactly 20:30.412 --> 20:32.720 sure . But as soon as we get that , 20:32.720 --> 20:35.690 that will help start to put together a 20:35.690 --> 20:38.250 map and then again as I said , when we 20:38.250 --> 20:40.670 get that data back from those samples 20:40.670 --> 20:43.160 off base , that's also gonna help us 20:43.170 --> 20:45.170 determine where we're gonna put new 20:45.170 --> 20:48.090 monitoring wells off base Um to start 20:48.090 --> 20:50.530 with , we're gonna do 15 new additional 20:50.530 --> 20:53.250 monitoring wells off base with the 20:53.250 --> 20:56.790 ability to expand if needed . Initially 20:56.790 --> 20:59.310 we didn't About 70% of the work is 20:59.310 --> 21:01.477 going to be done up front . So we left 21:01.477 --> 21:03.643 some in the back . So that way , if we 21:03.643 --> 21:05.643 need to step it out to make sure we 21:05.643 --> 21:07.643 fully delineate and determine where 21:07.643 --> 21:09.921 that plume is we'll be able to do that . 21:09.921 --> 21:11.754 So the the direct answer to your 21:11.754 --> 21:13.643 question is no map does not exist 21:13.643 --> 21:15.754 currently to be able to show you what 21:15.754 --> 21:18.030 that plume looks like . But as we start 21:18.030 --> 21:21.020 getting that data back um I will be 21:21.020 --> 21:23.360 working to share that in these meetings . 21:23.370 --> 21:25.592 So as soon as we have something that is 21:25.592 --> 21:27.592 shareable that I can show where the 21:27.592 --> 21:30.270 outer limits are that we know or any 21:30.280 --> 21:32.750 results that we have , I'll be sharing 21:32.750 --> 21:35.550 it here in this forum for y'all . Okay 21:36.040 --> 21:39.610 as a follow up on , on the map on the 21:39.610 --> 21:41.860 model map that you had with your 21:42.340 --> 21:45.870 extraction wells , what kind of 21:45.870 --> 21:49.830 distance did you use on that or um for 21:49.840 --> 21:52.230 work outside of where you're gonna do 21:52.230 --> 21:56.160 your extractions . Um 21:59.940 --> 22:02.107 can can you elaborate on that question 22:02.107 --> 22:05.670 a little bit when I was looking at your 22:06.540 --> 22:10.310 extraction and and injection . Well , 22:10.310 --> 22:14.260 models , you had your your your 22:15.240 --> 22:18.560 extraction wells look like east of 22:18.560 --> 22:22.180 cannon . Oh , I , I think I 22:22.180 --> 22:24.402 understand where you're going with this 22:24.402 --> 22:26.736 now . So all of this is located on base . 22:26.790 --> 22:29.980 All of it is located on the southeast 22:29.980 --> 22:32.230 corner right now because of um , so 22:32.230 --> 22:34.770 again , this is an interim response . 22:35.240 --> 22:37.990 So it's something we can do now . And 22:38.000 --> 22:40.222 the reason we can do it now is based on 22:40.222 --> 22:43.130 the data that we have so far . And 22:43.130 --> 22:45.830 that's where as we collect more data 22:45.830 --> 22:47.997 through the remedial investigation and 22:47.997 --> 22:50.590 those feed into that eca so the 22:50.590 --> 22:53.260 engineering evaluation , cost analysis 22:53.740 --> 22:56.020 and as we continue through our remedial 22:56.020 --> 22:58.630 investigation , if we get more data 22:58.630 --> 23:00.740 that shows that we could potentially 23:00.750 --> 23:03.540 implement another interim response down 23:03.540 --> 23:05.762 the road before the end of the remedial 23:05.762 --> 23:08.330 investigation , then we could do that 23:08.330 --> 23:10.930 too . But right now , based on where we 23:10.930 --> 23:13.810 know the highest concentration is where 23:13.810 --> 23:16.130 the groundwater flow is and where those 23:16.130 --> 23:19.490 paleo channels are . This is this gave 23:19.490 --> 23:21.712 us the information to know that this is 23:21.712 --> 23:23.657 a prime location to put this pilot 23:23.657 --> 23:25.601 study and potentially a full scale 23:25.601 --> 23:27.810 pumping treat system because this is 23:27.810 --> 23:30.390 showing we we already know that this is 23:30.390 --> 23:32.890 where the biggest portion of that 23:32.890 --> 23:34.970 preface impact is coming off of the 23:34.970 --> 23:37.890 base . And so we can attack that 23:37.890 --> 23:40.790 now . And and so that's why we're 23:40.790 --> 23:43.460 targeting that area right there . And 23:43.460 --> 23:46.270 and then 1 , 1 final question , 23:46.740 --> 23:50.320 uh did you , did you're a 23:50.320 --> 23:52.750 timeline say that you hope to start 23:52.750 --> 23:54.917 construction in july of this year . Is 23:54.917 --> 23:58.600 that correct ? As long as we get the uh 23:58.610 --> 24:01.420 design done and we get that 30 day 24:01.420 --> 24:03.600 comment period done . Yes sir . Now , 24:03.610 --> 24:06.380 given with everything on supply and 24:06.380 --> 24:08.780 demand and getting things here that may 24:08.780 --> 24:12.330 shift . Uh Because I mean 24:12.340 --> 24:14.118 everybody has everybody's aware 24:14.118 --> 24:16.284 sometimes getting the supplies now has 24:16.284 --> 24:18.173 been an issue and has caused some 24:18.173 --> 24:20.430 delays in different areas . But that is 24:20.430 --> 24:23.770 our hope is to get that executed as 24:23.770 --> 24:25.770 soon as possible . So as soon as we 24:25.770 --> 24:27.937 have a final design , then we're going 24:27.937 --> 24:30.048 to start figuring out when can we get 24:30.048 --> 24:32.270 people in the field which is sooner the 24:32.270 --> 24:34.750 better . And then my final question Mr 24:34.750 --> 24:37.410 jerky . And I know you're you're doing 24:37.410 --> 24:39.650 you're heading up the engineering side 24:39.650 --> 24:42.810 of it . But R r congressional 24:42.810 --> 24:45.170 delegation has gotten approval for 24:45.640 --> 24:48.040 acquisition of some properties . Have 24:48.040 --> 24:51.060 you heard anything about acquisition of 24:51.540 --> 24:55.110 contaminated property ? So the last 24:55.110 --> 24:57.166 guidance that we have been given was 24:57.166 --> 24:59.420 from the last N . D . A . And again 24:59.420 --> 25:01.570 that is to to not sound like a broken 25:01.570 --> 25:05.470 record . But uh we're our 25:05.470 --> 25:07.750 guidance is to use that circle a 25:07.750 --> 25:09.528 process to go through there and 25:09.528 --> 25:11.361 establish that unacceptable risk 25:11.361 --> 25:13.680 because as of right now there's not 25:13.790 --> 25:16.120 those promulgated standards . So from 25:16.120 --> 25:19.490 FDA USDA and E . P . A . To establish 25:19.490 --> 25:21.657 that unacceptable risk . So we have to 25:21.657 --> 25:23.546 go through this process to do the 25:23.546 --> 25:25.890 investigation and that is what we can 25:25.890 --> 25:29.330 do there now it is a future tool that 25:29.590 --> 25:31.890 can be utilized after unacceptable risk 25:31.900 --> 25:34.210 is determined . But this is the 25:34.210 --> 25:36.321 guidance that D . O . D . And the Air 25:36.321 --> 25:38.488 force has given us and this is what we 25:38.488 --> 25:40.750 are operating on . I got you . Thank 25:40.750 --> 25:43.100 you . Mr appreciate appreciate it . Not 25:43.100 --> 25:44.656 a problem . Thank you sir . 25:48.040 --> 25:50.151 Mr Martin . You've got your hand up . 25:50.151 --> 25:52.262 Would you like to ask your question ? 25:53.640 --> 25:57.190 Yes thank you . I'd like to continue to 25:57.190 --> 26:00.060 express my concerns with the 26:00.070 --> 26:03.560 possibility of re injection that's 26:03.940 --> 26:07.090 really introducing contaminants into 26:07.090 --> 26:09.201 our our aquifers while we're all here 26:09.201 --> 26:11.257 anyway . And I'd hate to see another 26:11.440 --> 26:13.273 chance of that happening . So if 26:13.273 --> 26:15.660 there's any way to maybe find an 26:15.670 --> 26:17.970 alternate use for the filtered water I 26:17.970 --> 26:21.670 would highly recommend that my other 26:21.670 --> 26:23.448 concern there again as a county 26:23.448 --> 26:25.970 commissioner is uh what's being done 26:25.970 --> 26:29.810 for those off off base I can 26:29.810 --> 26:33.380 understand what Mr Kirk is doing with 26:33.380 --> 26:37.140 his uh filter and data driven 26:37.150 --> 26:39.630 um process . 26:40.340 --> 26:43.400 But what is happening now is it 26:43.410 --> 26:47.390 continues to devastate agriculture in 26:47.390 --> 26:50.950 that area through the 26:51.340 --> 26:54.020 filters is important but we also need 26:54.020 --> 26:55.909 to look at what we can do that is 26:55.909 --> 26:58.360 harming those that their livelihood is 26:58.360 --> 27:01.950 based off this contaminated water and 27:01.960 --> 27:03.160 that's all I have . 27:06.740 --> 27:08.940 Thank you sir . And it's good to hear 27:08.940 --> 27:11.730 from you Mr martin . So with that on 27:11.730 --> 27:13.640 the re injection part of that is 27:13.640 --> 27:16.060 there's a lot of sampling that goes 27:16.060 --> 27:18.450 into that before it gets reinjected . 27:18.940 --> 27:22.850 And so there's we we understand that 27:22.850 --> 27:25.410 concern of that potential introduction 27:25.410 --> 27:27.466 of any other contaminants because it 27:27.466 --> 27:29.632 would defeat the whole purpose of this 27:29.632 --> 27:32.530 pilot study . Uh So in that the system 27:32.530 --> 27:34.697 is definitely being looked at and made 27:34.697 --> 27:36.808 sure that there's a rigorous sampling 27:36.808 --> 27:38.919 that we will do to make sure that the 27:38.919 --> 27:41.030 system is operating at its peak 27:41.030 --> 27:43.250 performance and not having any 27:43.260 --> 27:44.940 breakthrough or allowing any 27:44.940 --> 27:47.510 contaminants to go through there and 27:47.510 --> 27:49.740 we'll be cleaning out it and then re 27:49.740 --> 27:52.220 injecting it back down there . If any 27:52.230 --> 27:54.286 we will have the system is set up to 27:54.286 --> 27:56.730 have automatic shutdowns . So that way 27:56.730 --> 27:59.590 there isn't any degradation of the 27:59.590 --> 28:02.630 system that could potentially cause 28:02.640 --> 28:06.200 introduction of anything in there . And 28:06.200 --> 28:08.790 then with that to your question about 28:08.790 --> 28:12.310 the off base so what we are able to do 28:12.310 --> 28:14.610 right now with the lifetime health 28:14.610 --> 28:17.100 advisories as those locations that were 28:17.100 --> 28:19.322 above the lifetime health advisories we 28:19.322 --> 28:21.660 were able to provide them water and we 28:21.660 --> 28:24.800 were able to install three point of use 28:24.800 --> 28:27.850 filtration systems at the one location . 28:28.240 --> 28:31.120 And so based on the guidance that we 28:31.120 --> 28:33.510 have currently we can only address that 28:33.510 --> 28:35.780 human water consumption and that's back 28:35.780 --> 28:38.620 to where um needing those promulgated 28:38.620 --> 28:42.010 standards from USDA and FDA getting 28:42.010 --> 28:44.960 them to set those standards to allow us 28:44.960 --> 28:47.330 to spend taxpayer's dollars for the 28:47.330 --> 28:51.220 other side of things . Thank 28:51.220 --> 28:52.220 you . 28:58.440 --> 29:01.860 Um We have Mr mr scott has asked a few 29:01.860 --> 29:05.600 questions in our chat room Um Art would 29:05.600 --> 29:07.980 you like me to read these aloud or 29:07.980 --> 29:11.360 would you like to um take take yourself 29:11.360 --> 29:13.360 off of mute and ask the questions ? 29:17.640 --> 29:20.910 Well I just want to ask mr Gorky I see 29:20.910 --> 29:23.750 where he's having the injection was 29:23.750 --> 29:27.660 located . But the the question I 29:27.660 --> 29:29.827 have is just north of that . There was 29:29.827 --> 29:31.630 a big run off like that's also 29:31.630 --> 29:35.220 contaminated with the foss and that 29:35.970 --> 29:39.650 is running more east south and east of 29:39.650 --> 29:41.817 where those uh what you're going to re 29:41.817 --> 29:43.983 inject the water . So basically you're 29:44.240 --> 29:46.407 going to re inject water back into the 29:46.407 --> 29:50.320 contaminated aquifer . And I'm I'm kind 29:50.320 --> 29:52.670 of confused why you'd want to do that . 29:53.040 --> 29:55.040 And you know where you are locating 29:55.040 --> 29:57.220 your your your source pumps , you're 29:57.220 --> 29:59.331 gonna you say you're going to get 200 29:59.331 --> 30:02.560 gallons a minute and you're gonna be uh 30:02.940 --> 30:05.230 you know you're you're kinda in your 30:05.230 --> 30:07.341 kind of encroaching on other people's 30:07.341 --> 30:09.341 water rights in that area . And the 30:09.341 --> 30:13.280 other side is uh I just got a real 30:13.280 --> 30:15.558 issue with how you're going to do that . 30:15.558 --> 30:17.613 And you know you've got this model , 30:17.613 --> 30:21.000 you've got this simulation and you have 30:21.000 --> 30:24.470 this study and you know and I 30:24.470 --> 30:27.010 appreciate you guys want to study this 30:27.010 --> 30:29.121 and then simulate it . But at the end 30:29.121 --> 30:32.190 of the day reality is this water has 30:32.190 --> 30:34.340 gone through the Air Force Base and 30:34.340 --> 30:36.550 it's coming through property and you 30:36.550 --> 30:38.550 keep talking about an interim , you 30:38.550 --> 30:42.160 know guidance but the E . P . A . Is 30:42.160 --> 30:46.010 gonna pass This in 2023 it's 30:46.010 --> 30:49.800 gonna happen , it wasn't . And so 30:49.810 --> 30:52.940 I'm not sure why you guys are playing 30:52.940 --> 30:55.107 games with doing studies when you just 30:55.107 --> 30:57.220 need to go out and put filters on the 30:57.220 --> 30:59.280 existing wells that are contaminated 30:59.660 --> 31:02.320 and start cleaning it up . I mean I 31:02.320 --> 31:04.487 mean you you can study it all day long 31:04.487 --> 31:06.653 but the reality is it's already passed 31:06.653 --> 31:09.120 the Air Force Gates , it's downstream . 31:09.740 --> 31:11.796 And you know , another thing I would 31:11.796 --> 31:13.880 like to mention is this new rippy 31:13.880 --> 31:17.090 project that you have that this county 31:17.090 --> 31:20.670 or the state has allowed you guys to uh 31:21.040 --> 31:23.670 conserve water north and west of the 31:23.670 --> 31:26.140 Air Force Base when those guys quit 31:26.140 --> 31:27.973 pumping that water is gonna come 31:27.973 --> 31:30.196 through the Air Force base faster . And 31:30.196 --> 31:32.340 that's great . But the problem is the 31:32.340 --> 31:35.340 contamination south and east of the Air 31:35.340 --> 31:37.618 Force base is going to continue to run . 31:38.240 --> 31:40.351 And if you think 600 gallons a minute 31:40.351 --> 31:43.680 is going to capture the plume coming 31:43.680 --> 31:45.736 through the Air Force Base , there's 31:45.736 --> 31:47.847 hundreds of thousands of gallons that 31:47.847 --> 31:49.847 are coming underneath the Air Force 31:49.847 --> 31:51.847 Base and going right through to the 31:51.847 --> 31:54.220 south and east to other farmers . So to 31:54.220 --> 31:57.960 me this is a pie in the sky plan . And 31:57.960 --> 32:00.182 I know you're trying your hardest and I 32:00.182 --> 32:02.404 know you're trying to do all these laws 32:02.404 --> 32:04.404 and inca regulations and all you're 32:04.404 --> 32:06.349 saying here sir . But to me you're 32:06.349 --> 32:08.516 you're you're wasting a lot of federal 32:08.516 --> 32:10.840 government money And so yes , I do have 32:10.840 --> 32:13.100 those questions . If you'd like to read 32:13.100 --> 32:16.370 those , I would well thank you art and 32:16.370 --> 32:18.490 I appreciate your questions and I 32:18.490 --> 32:20.657 understand your concerns . Again , I'm 32:20.657 --> 32:22.768 I'm part of this community and I live 32:22.768 --> 32:25.120 here and that's why I worked so hard to 32:25.120 --> 32:27.560 try to push this investigation through 32:27.560 --> 32:29.504 because I understand how this does 32:29.504 --> 32:31.580 impact the local community now , 32:31.580 --> 32:33.691 bringing it back . When we talk about 32:33.691 --> 32:36.220 these aquifer tests and stuff , it's 32:36.220 --> 32:38.660 going into the design of this system . 32:38.660 --> 32:41.110 So it's not necessarily studying it to 32:41.110 --> 32:43.680 death . But before we just go slap a 32:43.680 --> 32:46.460 system in there , we've got to look at 32:46.460 --> 32:49.110 how that aquifer works and that's what 32:49.110 --> 32:51.740 that aquifer test has done and it goes 32:51.740 --> 32:54.130 into there and based on the modeling , 32:54.140 --> 32:57.550 it's showing us that this system will 32:57.550 --> 32:59.930 work in this way . Now we do have our 32:59.930 --> 33:02.152 constraints and our limitations because 33:02.152 --> 33:04.330 some of this is simulated . And that's 33:04.330 --> 33:06.274 why again , we're going to install 33:06.274 --> 33:08.386 additional monitoring wells with this 33:08.386 --> 33:10.710 project to confirm , does this work ? 33:10.720 --> 33:13.510 Is it capturing it all ? And then if 33:13.510 --> 33:15.550 that's not the case and it's not 33:15.550 --> 33:18.390 capturing that entire area there , we 33:18.390 --> 33:20.612 will be looking at expanding it because 33:20.612 --> 33:22.850 again , this is the small portion . 33:23.340 --> 33:25.730 This is what I can legally spend 33:25.740 --> 33:28.320 taxpayer's dollars on , based on the 33:28.330 --> 33:30.552 requirements that are out there . Now , 33:30.840 --> 33:33.120 what the epa is doing is great because 33:33.120 --> 33:35.670 that will help us be able to do more 33:35.670 --> 33:37.670 down the road . But that's down the 33:37.670 --> 33:39.860 road . This is what I can do now to be 33:39.860 --> 33:42.130 aggressive on this and start trying to 33:42.130 --> 33:45.590 affect an interim clean up now . And so 33:45.590 --> 33:47.890 that's why we're going this way to do 33:47.890 --> 33:51.220 this pilot study here and yes it's 33:51.220 --> 33:53.400 called a study but it is actually 33:53.400 --> 33:55.870 affecting cleanup of that aquifer . 33:55.880 --> 33:58.102 It's gonna give us data that we need to 33:58.102 --> 34:00.324 know . So that way we can determine Can 34:00.324 --> 34:02.491 we pull 600 gallons a minute or can we 34:02.491 --> 34:05.200 do more or is that not the case ? Do we 34:05.200 --> 34:07.250 need those wells closer together or 34:07.250 --> 34:10.080 farther apart ? Where can we do that re 34:10.080 --> 34:11.950 injection And are we cleaning 34:11.950 --> 34:14.228 everything up ? Is it efficient enough ? 34:14.340 --> 34:16.451 All that data is going to come out of 34:16.451 --> 34:18.451 there and help us continue to clean 34:18.451 --> 34:20.507 that up because at that point we cut 34:20.507 --> 34:23.220 off that once we get that system right 34:23.220 --> 34:25.980 there and it is working and we get that 34:25.990 --> 34:27.934 plume captured right there , we're 34:27.934 --> 34:30.320 stopping that off based migration and 34:30.320 --> 34:32.840 now you've got clean water coming off 34:32.840 --> 34:36.650 of the base as that works . 34:36.660 --> 34:38.660 Then we're still doing our remedial 34:38.660 --> 34:40.882 investigation determining what that off 34:40.882 --> 34:43.049 based plume is . So the E . P . A . Is 34:43.049 --> 34:45.049 going to set those standards and by 34:45.049 --> 34:46.771 that time when they have those 34:46.771 --> 34:48.938 standards done we can then turn around 34:48.938 --> 34:52.490 and do actions off base but where I'm 34:52.490 --> 34:54.740 at now with the legal drivers and 34:54.740 --> 34:56.851 spending of taxpayer's dollars . This 34:56.851 --> 34:59.670 is what the Air Force can legally do 35:00.440 --> 35:03.800 right now and to affect some clean up 35:03.800 --> 35:07.140 now so that that is where we're at with 35:07.140 --> 35:09.720 this process . So it's not trying to 35:09.720 --> 35:11.887 study it to death , but it's trying to 35:11.887 --> 35:14.050 move forward through this process and 35:14.050 --> 35:16.050 get us to where we can do that long 35:16.050 --> 35:18.217 term cleanup . But we want to do clean 35:18.217 --> 35:20.106 up now and this is what we can do 35:20.106 --> 35:22.910 within our constraints . We're we're 35:22.910 --> 35:25.240 trying to , you know , keep moving 35:25.240 --> 35:28.570 forward with this process . Can I 35:28.570 --> 35:31.690 respond to you sir ? You say you want 35:31.690 --> 35:35.090 to , you say you want to clean up now ? 35:35.100 --> 35:37.211 That's not clean up now , that's just 35:37.211 --> 35:39.750 studying now . You're just studying and 35:40.140 --> 35:43.680 and with all due respect sir , you say 35:43.680 --> 35:46.660 that the USDA doesn't recognize this as 35:46.670 --> 35:50.540 a , you know , the the interim guidance , 35:50.750 --> 35:53.890 the , the USDA does recognize it as a 35:53.900 --> 35:57.250 hazardous waste because they do not 35:57.250 --> 35:59.910 allow that milk to get on the market , 35:59.920 --> 36:02.142 They do not allow the beef to be in the 36:02.142 --> 36:04.198 market . They landfill will not even 36:04.198 --> 36:06.420 take the dead carcasses that are coming 36:06.420 --> 36:08.531 off properties there that the animals 36:08.531 --> 36:12.370 have died . So in the NRCS is 36:12.370 --> 36:15.590 also using the interim guidance 36:15.590 --> 36:19.260 at hazardous waste . So I 36:19.260 --> 36:21.204 think that what's weird and what's 36:21.204 --> 36:23.260 crazy is you guys are not wanting to 36:23.260 --> 36:25.371 recognize this is a hazardous waste , 36:25.371 --> 36:27.670 but the rest of the the the government 36:27.680 --> 36:31.100 is . And so I think that there needs to 36:31.100 --> 36:33.211 be more communication between the two 36:33.211 --> 36:35.489 because I'm on both sides of the fence . 36:35.489 --> 36:37.711 I have you guys not recognizing it as a 36:37.711 --> 36:39.711 hazardous waste but I have the USDA 36:39.711 --> 36:42.000 recognizing it . And so I think there's 36:42.260 --> 36:45.490 there's some there's some in depth uh 36:45.670 --> 36:47.740 explanation that needs to be done . 36:48.580 --> 36:50.636 Third what it boils down to is right 36:50.636 --> 36:52.747 now the E . P . A . Has not listed it 36:52.747 --> 36:55.030 as hazardous waste . Therefore the Air 36:55.030 --> 36:57.190 Force must continue down this path on 36:57.190 --> 36:59.470 that . If there's not promulgated 36:59.470 --> 37:02.040 standards , we cannot spend taxpayer's 37:02.040 --> 37:04.262 dollars on something that is not listed 37:04.262 --> 37:06.373 as a hazardous waste . It has nothing 37:06.373 --> 37:09.470 to do with want or desire . It is we 37:09.470 --> 37:12.440 are bound by federal law and regulation 37:12.450 --> 37:15.410 and that is how we must do it . Now . 37:15.410 --> 37:17.354 Back to again where you say it's a 37:17.354 --> 37:19.466 study ? I disagree because again this 37:19.466 --> 37:22.100 is it's a pilot . Yes called pilot 37:22.100 --> 37:24.620 study . But it is actually cleaning the 37:24.620 --> 37:26.890 aquifer and again it's going to go into 37:26.890 --> 37:29.950 once the proportion is done . We can 37:29.950 --> 37:33.020 expand that to a full scale system that 37:33.020 --> 37:36.810 will if if if these models are 37:36.810 --> 37:38.890 not completely accurate and we don't 37:38.890 --> 37:41.520 get full capture . We can then expand 37:41.520 --> 37:43.440 it to ensure that we do get full 37:43.440 --> 37:45.329 capture . So it will be affecting 37:45.329 --> 37:47.150 cleanup in the near future . 37:56.830 --> 37:57.830 Right . 38:02.120 --> 38:04.840 Mhm . So I guess uh I'd like to have 38:04.840 --> 38:06.950 those questions read for me please . 38:08.520 --> 38:12.060 Yes sir mm hmm . The first question is , 38:12.060 --> 38:14.880 are you currently filtering water at 38:14.890 --> 38:17.940 Cannon Air Force Base ? No . 38:20.720 --> 38:23.540 Do you have results of water samples 38:23.920 --> 38:26.140 off base completed for the public ? 38:27.820 --> 38:30.310 We are those are currently at the 38:30.310 --> 38:33.160 laboratory and waiting on the results 38:33.160 --> 38:35.327 from that . And again with these being 38:35.327 --> 38:38.980 off base samples at private areas and 38:38.980 --> 38:41.710 we have P . Ii . Concern that will be 38:41.720 --> 38:44.130 handled cautiously because all members 38:44.130 --> 38:46.352 have told me that they do not want them 38:46.352 --> 38:48.519 released to the public . So we'll have 38:48.519 --> 38:50.574 to be cautious on how we handle that 38:50.580 --> 38:52.830 personally identifiable information . 38:56.720 --> 38:58.850 Um , what have you spent on the pilot 38:58.850 --> 39:01.140 project and what do you expect to spend 39:01.140 --> 39:04.800 after it's completed The contract award 39:04.800 --> 39:08.340 for ? It is $16.6 million . And after 39:08.340 --> 39:10.562 it , it's unknown because we have to go 39:10.562 --> 39:12.784 through this process . And that is also 39:12.784 --> 39:14.710 including the Echo which is the 39:14.710 --> 39:16.890 engineering evaluation . Cost analysis 39:16.900 --> 39:20.150 is a requirement to be completed before 39:20.150 --> 39:23.200 you can do any cleanup process as an 39:23.200 --> 39:25.260 interim action throughout the circle 39:25.260 --> 39:27.740 process . So we must complete the IKA 39:27.750 --> 39:29.806 and we're doing the pilot study that 39:29.806 --> 39:31.750 will start cleanup now and provide 39:31.750 --> 39:34.280 additional information to that ECA and 39:34.280 --> 39:37.240 lead into a full interim response in 39:37.240 --> 39:39.930 the near future . So with that , it 39:39.930 --> 39:42.260 depends on what the ECA outputs are and 39:42.260 --> 39:44.570 tells us what will need to be done at 39:44.570 --> 39:46.737 that point . Then we'll go back and do 39:46.737 --> 39:48.903 estimates and determine what that cost 39:48.903 --> 39:51.014 will be . And then we can go back out 39:51.014 --> 39:53.420 and request funds also on that . That 39:53.420 --> 39:56.250 will depend on what the regulatory um , 39:56.260 --> 39:58.260 climate looks like and what changes 39:58.260 --> 40:00.260 have been made . And have they been 40:00.260 --> 40:02.427 listed as a hazardous waste or has E . 40:02.427 --> 40:04.593 P . A . Not listed it yet . So there's 40:04.593 --> 40:06.816 a lot of factors that go into answering 40:06.816 --> 40:09.340 that question that can't be answered 40:09.340 --> 40:13.030 now , mm hmm . 40:15.910 --> 40:17.440 Let's see . 40:20.010 --> 40:22.940 Um , you state you have plans 40:24.010 --> 40:27.550 on monitor wells off base . Why not use 40:27.550 --> 40:29.606 the existing wells that are positive 40:29.606 --> 40:31.606 and just start pumping and cleaning 40:32.110 --> 40:34.130 more holes , create more potential 40:34.130 --> 40:37.320 pollution . Again . That goes back to 40:37.910 --> 40:40.190 there's no promulgated standards . And 40:40.190 --> 40:42.412 we have to go based on the data that we 40:42.412 --> 40:45.030 have . We're trying to get the remedial 40:45.030 --> 40:47.240 investigation data so we can determine 40:47.240 --> 40:50.130 what that plume is and determine what 40:50.140 --> 40:52.990 an effective cleanup method would be in 40:52.990 --> 40:55.157 the future . Once we've completed that 40:55.157 --> 40:56.546 remedial investigation , 41:01.810 --> 41:04.360 Mr Bradley , you've raised your hand . 41:04.370 --> 41:06.470 Would you like to amuse yourself and 41:06.470 --> 41:10.110 ask your question ? Yes , thank you . 41:10.120 --> 41:12.287 This is kind of a follow up on the A . 41:12.287 --> 41:16.150 P . A . And I understand . I think I 41:16.160 --> 41:18.104 don't know if he pays on this call 41:18.104 --> 41:21.230 represent or not . But uh , surely MR 41:21.460 --> 41:23.404 could could give me some kind of a 41:23.810 --> 41:26.720 response . It's my understanding that 41:26.720 --> 41:30.630 EPA has has through their process 41:31.810 --> 41:35.690 declared FIFA's and and something like 41:35.700 --> 41:39.060 that . I can't remember eight or 9 , 10 . 41:39.060 --> 41:42.430 11 of the forever chemicals . 41:43.310 --> 41:47.110 Yeah , but I have yet to hear anything 41:47.110 --> 41:50.240 about the status of the ah 41:50.710 --> 41:54.290 cap . The parts poor trillion . 41:54.520 --> 41:57.480 Can you give us any update at all ? Or 41:57.480 --> 42:00.090 can someone give us an update of where 42:00.090 --> 42:02.700 the heck is E . P . A . They had a big 42:02.700 --> 42:06.020 publicity about making declarations but 42:06.020 --> 42:08.430 I haven't don't ever seen any follow up . 42:09.000 --> 42:11.167 I won't speak directly for E . P . A . 42:11.167 --> 42:14.620 By any means and it's Mr Greg lucy's on 42:15.000 --> 42:17.222 he can elaborate if I don't hit all the 42:17.222 --> 42:19.440 marks . But they did put out the road 42:19.440 --> 42:23.090 map towards um creating and developing 42:23.090 --> 42:25.310 the rules and regulations and listing 42:25.310 --> 42:28.470 potentially those certain chemicals as 42:28.480 --> 42:31.050 hazardous waste . And so they put out 42:31.050 --> 42:34.340 that roadmap and I believe it was P . F . 42:34.350 --> 42:38.080 B . X . And the gen x um item 42:38.090 --> 42:41.420 of constituents of the breakfast family 42:42.260 --> 42:45.330 is the exact details on the road map . 42:45.340 --> 42:47.451 I don't have that again . That's that 42:47.451 --> 42:49.618 was on the E . P . A . And they had to 42:49.618 --> 42:52.150 put that out but nothing was 42:52.160 --> 42:54.490 immediately done . Like they didn't set 42:54.500 --> 42:56.611 any regulations right then . They had 42:56.611 --> 42:58.722 put a roadmap out saying this is what 42:58.722 --> 43:00.944 our plans are and we will be doing this 43:00.944 --> 43:04.810 going forward . So so you haven't heard 43:04.820 --> 43:06.980 any conclusions since that day that 43:06.990 --> 43:10.900 basically . No sir I have not . Hey 43:10.900 --> 43:13.122 chris this is Greg lissy , can you hear 43:13.122 --> 43:15.710 me ? Yes sir I can . Thank you . I'm 43:15.710 --> 43:17.877 I'm with the P . A . And . And just to 43:17.877 --> 43:19.770 clarify that we did put out the 43:19.770 --> 43:22.650 strategic roadmap last year and we've 43:22.650 --> 43:25.780 set out the process for a couple of 43:25.780 --> 43:28.890 different things . One is to be on the 43:28.890 --> 43:30.946 track to determine whether or not we 43:30.946 --> 43:32.946 need to have an M . C . L . For the 43:32.946 --> 43:35.780 five fast compounds chris mentioned and 43:35.780 --> 43:37.502 everyone here is predominantly 43:37.502 --> 43:39.930 concerned about Pfoa and PFOs and those 43:39.930 --> 43:43.760 are those are on the list and it's a 43:43.760 --> 43:45.871 process to do that through our office 43:45.871 --> 43:48.038 of Water and we are going through that 43:48.038 --> 43:50.204 right now we're trying to collect more 43:50.204 --> 43:52.316 information across the country on how 43:52.316 --> 43:54.204 much emphasis out their water the 43:54.204 --> 43:56.400 levels . And then once we get that 43:56.400 --> 43:58.660 information we will come up with an 43:58.670 --> 44:00.860 actual M . C . L . Number right now we 44:00.860 --> 44:02.980 have the number out there of 70 parts 44:02.980 --> 44:05.610 per trillion . When we set an M . C . L . 44:05.620 --> 44:08.610 It will possibly be lower than that . 44:09.190 --> 44:11.301 We don't know until we get there . So 44:11.990 --> 44:14.500 and I know it takes a while . Uh but 44:14.500 --> 44:16.500 unfortunately that's just how it is 44:16.500 --> 44:18.556 when you're talking about looking at 44:18.556 --> 44:20.722 different compounds and adding them to 44:20.722 --> 44:22.889 the M . C . L . S . Thank you for that 44:22.889 --> 44:25.111 information . Do you have a timeline at 44:25.111 --> 44:27.222 all that you're trying to target date 44:27.690 --> 44:29.912 Somewhere you're trying to get to ? The 44:29.912 --> 44:32.280 target date is 2023 . To have that 44:32.280 --> 44:34.910 number at the end of 2023 . So that is 44:34.910 --> 44:38.450 our target date At the end of 2023 . 44:38.460 --> 44:41.460 Yes Sir December time frame and that 44:41.460 --> 44:44.310 seems like a long way out . But we have 44:45.290 --> 44:47.600 a system that just came into place uh 44:47.610 --> 44:49.666 in december of this year where we're 44:49.666 --> 44:51.666 going to go out and look at All the 44:51.666 --> 44:53.666 different water systems and they're 44:53.666 --> 44:55.888 going to be monitoring for 29 different 44:55.888 --> 44:59.040 preface compounds 2022 . They started 44:59.040 --> 45:01.096 going meeting with the various water 45:01.096 --> 45:03.280 purveyors . They will start collecting 45:03.280 --> 45:07.180 that data in Early 2023 Fy 45:07.180 --> 45:09.260 2023 . So then we have to get that 45:09.260 --> 45:11.680 information see what's out there and 45:11.680 --> 45:13.624 then use that to come up with what 45:13.624 --> 45:16.720 number is reasonable for an M . C . L . 45:18.590 --> 45:20.810 All right , thank you sir . Yes sir . 45:21.890 --> 45:24.050 Thank you . Mr alessi and thank you 45:24.050 --> 45:25.994 walter Bradley . I appreciate your 45:25.994 --> 45:28.300 questions . Well , thank you . 45:33.390 --> 45:35.612 Mr martin . You have another question . 45:38.290 --> 45:40.457 Just a reminder , yep . There you go . 45:40.490 --> 45:43.880 I am . Thank you for that . As we're 45:43.880 --> 45:46.960 talking about this pumping of the plume , 45:46.970 --> 45:48.914 you know , for the filter . I know 45:48.914 --> 45:51.250 that's in the future . But what kind of 45:51.250 --> 45:53.420 water rights does Canon or the D . O . 45:53.420 --> 45:56.260 D . Currently have that can be used to 45:56.260 --> 45:58.500 do that . Um you know , the state 45:58.500 --> 46:00.500 engineer requires you to have water 46:00.500 --> 46:02.950 rights for us as farmers in the ag 46:02.950 --> 46:04.894 industry , we have to have so many 46:04.894 --> 46:07.061 water rights to do this just can't and 46:07.061 --> 46:09.117 have sufficient water rights or will 46:09.117 --> 46:11.228 they have to look outside the base to 46:11.228 --> 46:13.117 purchase water rights in order to 46:13.117 --> 46:15.190 finish out this process . Well with 46:15.190 --> 46:17.412 that we're working close with our legal 46:17.412 --> 46:19.523 counsel and ensuring that we meet all 46:19.523 --> 46:22.630 the the requirements . But with this we 46:22.630 --> 46:25.490 are , you know , legal is managing that 46:25.490 --> 46:27.601 aspect but that's also another reason 46:27.601 --> 46:29.657 for the injection wells is to have a 46:29.657 --> 46:31.800 net zero effect on the aquifer . 46:38.880 --> 46:41.102 Well I guess that somewhat answers it , 46:41.102 --> 46:43.324 but if it gets to a point that it's not 46:43.324 --> 46:45.990 a net zero will Canon go out 46:46.880 --> 46:49.690 like Clovis has in the past and bought 46:49.690 --> 46:51.690 water rights like they gave to the 46:51.690 --> 46:55.080 cheese plant . I mean to be honest , I 46:55.080 --> 46:58.230 I can't speak to that part until we get 46:58.230 --> 47:00.397 to there again . That's that's more of 47:00.397 --> 47:02.510 the legal side of things that we'll 47:02.510 --> 47:04.677 have to address it if and when we come 47:04.677 --> 47:08.020 to it , we don't anticipate that issue 47:08.030 --> 47:10.260 based on the data that we've collected 47:10.260 --> 47:12.950 so far . But if it is something that 47:12.950 --> 47:15.117 will be something that we address down 47:15.117 --> 47:14.710 the road , 47:24.980 --> 47:26.924 mr martin , did you have any other 47:26.924 --> 47:27.924 questions ? Mhm . 47:31.380 --> 47:35.330 No , I do not . Thank you . So just 47:35.330 --> 47:37.420 as a reminder the chat room , the or 47:37.420 --> 47:39.642 the chat box is open . If you'd like to 47:39.642 --> 47:41.864 put your questions in there , otherwise 47:41.864 --> 47:43.976 you can use the raise hand feature if 47:43.976 --> 47:46.198 you have a question that you would like 47:46.198 --> 47:45.200 to ask . 47:59.880 --> 48:02.820 Okay , well um in the absence of any 48:02.820 --> 48:04.876 further questions , we will go ahead 48:04.876 --> 48:07.860 and wrap up tonight's call um for if 48:07.860 --> 48:09.916 you do have any additional questions 48:09.916 --> 48:12.082 that you would like to submit , please 48:12.082 --> 48:14.710 feel free to utilize the email address 48:14.720 --> 48:17.820 below You can also access um our 48:17.820 --> 48:20.820 information and the recorded version of 48:20.820 --> 48:23.670 this , this conversation tonight , 48:23.670 --> 48:26.540 tomorrow on the website at Canon dot af 48:26.540 --> 48:29.270 dot mil forward slash environmental . 48:29.280 --> 48:31.224 And otherwise , we look forward to 48:31.224 --> 48:33.447 seeing you at our next quarterly call , 48:33.447 --> 48:35.669 which is tentatively scheduled for june 48:35.669 --> 48:39.390 15th . Thank you everyone , everyone 48:39.390 --> 48:41.446 for joining , and we look forward to 48:41.446 --> 48:45.390 seeing you next time . Thank you . 48:45.390 --> 48:49.170 Appreciate it . Thank you .