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Mhm .

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Good afternoon everybody . It's one

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o'clock so we will go ahead and get

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started . So thank you for attending

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this month's learning professional

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Dana Horn , I'm your moderator for this

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session . Thank you for joining us and

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together all of our learning

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professionals from the Air Force Sister

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Services , academia and industry . We

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want us all in a virtual setting so we

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can learn from each other and share

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information . Today our guest speaker

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is dr Jared bore up . He's the

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associate professor division of

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Learning Technologies at George Mason

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University and he will present putting

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your best digital self forward

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strategies for using video to develop a

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out with that being said . I'd like to

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introduce our L . P . N . A guest

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speaker . So doctor bora is an

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associate professor at George Mason

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University's division of Learning

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Technologies . He's the professor in

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charge of the learning technologies in

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the school's Master's program that is

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devoted to improving teacher practices

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on online and blended learning

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environments . He also serves as the

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College of Education and Human

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developments , co director of Digital

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learning . Previous to earning his PhD

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at Brigham Young University Jared ,

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taught history at a junior high school

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for six years in Idaho . He's also

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taught online and blended courses since

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2008 . His current research interests

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include developing online learning

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communities and identifying the support

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systems learners required to be

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successful in online and blended

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environments . So Doctor bora , welcome

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to our session . Thank you for

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participating and I will turn the floor

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over to you . Thank you really

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appreciate it . Um One of the best

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parts about doing these webinars is

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that I get presents people from all

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over the place . So I'm wondering

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depending on what device you're on ,

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this is easier than for others , but if

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you have a keyboard in front of you , I

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wonder if you could just put in your

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chat where you're coming from

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and maybe what your position is . Um

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That'd be great and as you do that I'm

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going to share my screen

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so uh a little bit about me so I am

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typically in Virginia san Antonio great .

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I've never been there but I hear I hear

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so many great things about the river

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and river walk , all that stuff . Um

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One day I'm going to get there .

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Oh Rome new york . Okay . I've not

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heard of Rome new york . That's great

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texas . Alright colorado Springs . I

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got stuck in colorado Springs for a

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long , long snowstorm . Uh not that

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long ago , Kansas city . Great .

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Oh at GMU , that's great Sherry .

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So I'm actually uh on sabbatical right

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now . Um so I'm not in Virginia .

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Normally I'm in northern Virginia just

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outside of D . C . Um I'm actually in

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Hawaii right now , which is great . I

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don't know if you can see the palm

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trees in the background so so we've

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been joined in , its very early so I

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haven't had breakfast yet . Um anything

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like that , so .

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Oh another san Antonio . Great . Great ,

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awesome . Okay so thank you for that .

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That's really great . So um a little

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bit about me about me . Normally I'm at

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George mason University , this is kind

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of my academic family up top here . Um

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I did teach K . 12 , so I taught social

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studies to ninth graders at a junior

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high school . This is me in the back ,

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I don't know if you can tell from this

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video , but I'm 68 so I'm quite tall so

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I'm always in the back of group photos .

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Um but if you could zoom in , you can

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see the fear in my eyes . Uh This was

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actually my literally my first day on

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the job . Um But I'm actually a third

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generation educator . I found this

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picture in some family history books .

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This is my grandma in a small town in

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Scipio Utah right in central Utah , she

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was a kindergarten teacher and the bus

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driver . So I don't know what should be

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harder . I'm guessing the bus driving

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part would be really challenging , but

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I just love that picture . So I come

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from a long line of educators , I have

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siblings that are our teachers , my in

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laws are teachers . Um So yeah , so

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anyway , so think back to the start of

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the pandemic , um . I felt

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like as , as instructors , we were all

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kind of skilled , uh , Oh , Jim ,

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that's great facing Utah , I know

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exactly where that is . Yeah . Uh so ,

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so think back to 2020 , uh , we were

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teaching in person , we knew how to

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play the classical guitar , we were

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trained on that , we knew how to do it

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really well . Um and then someone said ,

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wait a minute we're going to change the

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instrument on you right before a

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concert , you're gonna have to play the

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banjo , but don't worry , has strings ,

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has a neck , you know , it should be

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pretty easy , you know , you should be

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able to get this oh , and you're giving

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a concert tomorrow . Um and

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oh , and the people can be a little

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critical , the audience is a little

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critical , you might get some hecklers .

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Um so imagine how nervous you feel and

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I kind of feel like that analogy isn't

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too far off from teaching in person and

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knowing how to do in person and then

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having immediately to shift to remote

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teaching online uh something's might

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feel familiar but it's an entirely new

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instrument and yes there's some things

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that are similar but it's new , it's a

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new experience and it was a huge huge

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challenge for all of us . Um This meme

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kind of encapsulated everything for me .

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I'm sure you guys have seen the cat

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lawyer maybe it's been a while but with

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cat lawyer uh he couldn't turn off his

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filter right ? But but he got a lot of

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press because he said I'm not a cat ,

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you know what we all knew . But he also

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said something else that I loved , he

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said I'm prepared to go forward with it ,

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right ? And it's that resilience that I

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feel like we've all had during the last

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18 months and I've seen that with

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teachers , I work mostly with K- 12

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teachers . But they have had such a

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resilience not to say that it hasn't

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been difficult and tears haven't been

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shed or anything like that . They have

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um it's been a huge challenge . But

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I've seen just amazing innovation

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and resilience during this time and

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I've loved it . I've also noticed a lot

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of zoom fatigue and zoom hangovers that

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we spend a lot of time online a lot of

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time in these synchronous sessions and

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I know that we're in one right now

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right ? So we know that there's some

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challenges to that . So in response to

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that challenge Richard West at Brigham

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Young University and myself , we wrote

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and published a free book , it started

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as a series for a company called

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connect and we published it on

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Education Review and now we're

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publishing it on on this resource right

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here and I believe in your professional

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learning groups it will be there as

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well , but it's a free resource . We

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have I think six chapters on teaching

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with asynchronous video because we knew

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they spent so much time in these live

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sessions . That's really hard to engage

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all the students or participants

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learners in these live sessions .

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Um And so we can also use asynchronous

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video recorded videos to do that . And

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so this presentation we're going to be

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pulling from parts of this book to talk

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about asynchronous video . So when you

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think of course you have basically

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three types of interactions , you have

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learner to content interactions ,

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learner instructor interactions and

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then learner to learner interactions um

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with that uh with the learner to

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content interaction in this case it can

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be it's going to mean video but

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typically it can mean lots and lots of

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different things but kind of learners

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watching , watching videos or content ,

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video , content that you've created ,

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but you can also use video to interact

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with each other to have these human

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interactions with the instructor and

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other learners , let's start with the

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learner content interactions . So I've

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worked in studios before where we've

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created , you know uh you know green

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screen videos and we we uh have after

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effects and all that stuff . I've been

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there with teleprompters and all that

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stuff . Um And using Final cut or

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premiere pro to kind of edit the videos

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out . Um But we also have tools like

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um Hi movie or we video which is an

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online tool , you can create really

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good edited videos with just your cell

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phone and a simple video editor that's

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that might be on your machine right now .

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Right . So I want to share one

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video example here this is a health

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teacher and she was teaching a unit on

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drugs and gangs . Sure students . So

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she went on a ride along with a police

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officer and film parts of it and then

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created a video of it . So you can

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imagine you could not have taken a

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group of students on a ride along with

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police officer for lots of reasons ,

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right ? But she was able to use video

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to kind of take students where they

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couldn't go otherwise and made this

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really nice video . I'm just going to

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show you a few seconds of it . Okay ,

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high students , this is mrs Carson and

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today I'm in Fairfax County with a

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detective doing a ride along so I can

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show you some of the information that

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we've been going go to your local area

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stores of wal mart or target . Yes .

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Yeah 18th Street , you could see 503 .

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Um and then the blue is probably M . S .

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13 , 5 or three . Um , as its ,

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so again , showing things that you

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couldn't show otherwise is a great use

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of video . Um this is kind of more

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intimidating for instructors to get

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into , is creating an edited video .

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There are ways to create really simple

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videos using free tools and just either

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recording your screen or or your webcam .

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Screen cast Somatic is one that I use .

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Uh and if you want to go the pro

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version with screen charismatic , I

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think it's just like a few dollars a

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year , Like it isn't very much loom is

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free as well , but it's limited . And

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how long you can make video screen cast

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if I same thing limited on how long you

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great videos with screen cast a magic .

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I think you still have like a 15 minute

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limit , which is more than you would

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want for most things . Um , but again

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with all of these tools , you can

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create great videos just showing your

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webcam or just showing your screen or

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combining your screen with your webcam .

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So I'm curious has has anyone created

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videos uh specifically for your

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students either with these tools or

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another screen recording tool .

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If you have , if you could put in the

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chat kind of what you've done that

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would be great . Um so I was

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interviewing a K 12 teacher and she

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basically said she creates videos to

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create a virtual meeting , which I love

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that idea even though she's with

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students in person , she creates these

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videos so that she can give directions

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and things like that . So if a student

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raises her hands after she's given

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directions and they say no , can you

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explain that to me again ? She doesn't

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have to like , it's on the video so she

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can just point people to her website

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and have them watch it there . Um So

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it's a great way to either give

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direction for the first time or as a

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resource in case they need a backup .

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So this is just really simple video

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play just a little bit for you . Good

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morning guys . Today's lesson starts

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with this warm up that reviews

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percentages . So you're going to pause

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the video here , give it a shot and

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then a composite and check to see if

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you got it correct , Change it into a

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decimal and multiply it by 150 . And I

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also get 50-50 . So either way we'll be

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fine . The correct answer is B So the

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concept for today's lesson is we're

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going to just try to manipulate so so

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you can see with that video , the video

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does not replace the teacher , but it

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amplifies what the teacher can do and

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uh but having a teacher there doesn't

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replace the need for a video either ,

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right ? It's nice to have both . And

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that's how she does it . She has the

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the in person her and then the virtual

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her right . Mhm . You can also create

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really simple videos not recording your

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screen . I had an art teacher uh that

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set up this really simple arm here with

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a webcam connected to it . He said that

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this whole thing cost them 20 bucks .

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Um and then he just drew as as

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he talked through what he was doing .

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So we are going to go ahead and take a

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look at how to create and I'm gonna I'm

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gonna mute it , but it's it's really

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hypnotic seeing someone draw . You know ,

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I love that bob ross has been having a

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renaissance lately , you know uh lots

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of information about him because people

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can really connect to that and um with

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with instructions , sometimes we feel

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like we have to go high tech . This is

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a pretty low tech way of making a video .

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Um that can be really engaging . So

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obviously you might not be drawing uh

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like a figure or something like that ,

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but you might want to draw something

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like similar to what you do on a

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whiteboard or something like that or um

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it could be showing projects or things

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like that um that it's hard to show on

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your screen . This was an

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article that I really love it , but I

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don't you love this rig that they set

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up . I mean it's just this idea of ,

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okay , I need this , how can I do it

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for me , I've done something similar

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except I've just stacked books on top

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of each other and then I I put the

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camera on the edge looking over the

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books and then I have my piece of paper

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and I could draw on the piece of paper .

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So , so really simple things that you

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can do just with your cell phone .

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Let's go over some do some , don't if

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you're doing a webcam video , so you're

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recording yourself either , that's all

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that that students are going to see or

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it's in the corner of your video or if

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you're giving a live uh professional

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learning event or something like that .

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Here's some dues and don't to consider ,

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we've all been guilty of these things .

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Don't feel self conscious about this at

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all . We're not trying to be perfect .

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But here's some things to keep in mind .

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One is the silhouette . If you're

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recording in front of a window ,

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sometimes all that they can see is a

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silhouette . The other is a zebra . If

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you're facing a window , which is good ,

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but then you have those blinds , you

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can end up looking like the zebra or if

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you're recording at night , it's the

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haunting . If you don't have good

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lighting , right ? The close talker ,

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no one wants that . But then also you

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don't have to social distance either .

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So you want a comfortable distance from

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of the camera . Uh if we're , if the

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webcam is too low , we kind of have the

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nosy professor , uh I see this all the

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time . I just saw it recently yesterday

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where someone is recording giving a

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presentation with the laptop on their

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lap and this is what we saw the entire

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presentation . So also kind

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of the toddler . We want to not be too

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low either . Um in the webcam I

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have two screens . So sometimes I'm

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looking at the other screen , but if

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I'm spending too much time looking to

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the side , then that's a problem as

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well . So we want to look into the

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webcam , we want to be prepared , but

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we don't necessarily want to read

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everything right ? Because one we're

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gonna be looking down , we're not

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looking at the at the participants

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either . The other thing to think about

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is the hostage where we have no

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identifying information behind us . Um

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and so uh we just feel like we're in a

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blank a blank room somewhere . We want

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to think about what's in our background .

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The other one that I love when we're

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making videos sometimes uh we were

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talking and then we look for that stop

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button and we're really jovial in the

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in the video . And then once we start

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looking for that , the smile vanishes

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from our face , right ? So if you do

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that , you want to trim that part off

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of the video . Okay . So that's what

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not not to do . Let's talk about what

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you should do . So six keys to quality

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videos . If you're making video content

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is one , keep it short . Uh We know

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from the research , lots of research ,

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they're going to watch for about 5 to 6

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minutes and then after that they're

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done right , there's a huge drop off

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and you have to remember , they're

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probably watching you at like 1.5 times

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speed . So so keep that in mind as well .

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The other thing is you have to have

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good audio if the video quality isn't

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great , that's fine actually , as long

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as they can kind of read and and see

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what you're showing , but if you have

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bad audio , it's unwatchable . No one ,

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no one can watch it . So make sure that

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you have good audio in your videos . Um

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Now these other things are kind of nice

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to have uh one nice to have is lighting .

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So if you have a window , sit facing in

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front of it . If you don't bring in

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lamps and set them behind your computer ,

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the other thing is frame yourself so

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that you're not too far back , you're

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not , you know , off to the side or

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anything like that , you're kind of

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framed in the picture and then try to

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look into the webcam as much as you can

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see . The other thing is stage uh the

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background a little bit . So , um , do

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you notice the the pumpkins in the

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background ? I'm like I said , I'm on

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sabbatical . So I'm not in my normal

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office . I really had a stretch for

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this , but that's for your viewing

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pleasure . Normally , I don't have

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anything in the background there on the

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table but I thought oh I gotta put

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something there so you know it's

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seasonal . Uh Put that up there um if I

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could show you , in fact I'm going to

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so let me just show you what I'm

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actually , it's a

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messy , it's a messy kitchen ,

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you know ? Uh So I'm not , I cleaned up

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behind me , let's not have to clean up

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everything . Um And so that's something

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to keep in mind is what are you

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actually showing them ? It's not only

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you but it's also your background , so

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stage it a little bit clean up a little

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bit . That's nice . Chris Haskell at

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Boise , State University is really good

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at this . So in the chat what do you

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learn about chris just from his

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background , so if you can pay your

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answers in the chat that regret ,

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gamer ? Okay yeah yeah absolutely . A

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gamer bicyclist , yep ,

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educational background , yep , yep . Uh

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huh . Yeah . Micro the micro wave there ,

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I did this at another um presentation

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there , like he needs to get out of the

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office more with that microwave , right ,

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he's got the mini fridge and the

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microwave um

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snacks , yep . Uh we can see that he

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graduated from Boise State University

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as well , you know ? Uh Yeah thanks

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thanks . Uh So so we learn a lot

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without him saying anything . Um And he

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is a gamer , he actually uh is

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the gaming coach and he's had lots of

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successor . They have like the gaming

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team , he e sports , right ? So ,

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um , so he , he does a lot with that .

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He bicycles to work . Obviously . He's

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never told me that , but I , I know um ,

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yeah , yeah , exactly . So it's been

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hard to find a location during the

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pandemic of , of where to present . So

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lots of people in closets , that's fine .

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But you can also , depending on how

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large the closet is . Uh , I've seen

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pictures of people sitting in the

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closet , you know , they're in the

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closet , but from the webcam , it's not

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entirely clear that they're in the

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closet , right ? Like they have a

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picture in the background and things

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like that . So you can really stage

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quite a bit . And closets are a great

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place for good audio by the way . Um ,

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you're not gonna have any echoing or ,

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or outside sounds and things like that .

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So when I create videos , I don't do

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this for every video , but if I'm

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creating content , what I'll do is I'll

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position the webcam , I have lighting .

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So this is , this is what it looks like

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from back home , you can see that I

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have a few knickknacks in the

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background for them to see , but it's

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not overwhelming either . The other

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thing that we want to be aware of is

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that we want to be natural , but we

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don't want to feel like we have to be

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perfect . We want to be ourselves . So

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this is one teacher , she sings songs

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to her students . Really , really corny

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songs and I can kind of see the eye

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rolling as I watched these videos but

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it's funny at the same time . You know ,

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she kind of leans into the cheesiness .

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Uh this is a professor at Georgia . He

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lived on a farm and he would create

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videos from different parts on his farm .

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He had not , the videos had nothing to

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do with the farm , but it kind of

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showed us a glimpse of of what where he

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was in this example . We have a teacher

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um at the grocery store .

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Well yeah ,

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oh morning . So I found some more unit .

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Right guys , isn't that cool ? If you

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go to the deli , you can see how much

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everything costs her . But if you buy

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some Deli meat , which I think we did .

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We have some in the car .

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So so that is not like

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Uber professional . She didn't follow

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all the all the guidelines . Right ?

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But what a great video for students .

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It's authentic . It's real , real world .

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She just pulled out her cell phone and

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sent the message to them using the

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communication app . So um okay , let's

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move to learner to learner interaction .

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So video can be used here as well .

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This is what I got this photo from the

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Air Force , this is a senior airman

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visiting the classroom . What do you

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notice in this classroom ? Obviously

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the Airman isn't there off off to the

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side , but what do you notice about the

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students ?

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one thing that I notice are these

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people look at all the hands being

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raised up , which is great . You want

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that after you've given a presentation ,

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you want lots of questions . But do you

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notice , Look at number three , he's

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like holding his arm up , he's probably

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been holding his arm up for minutes ,

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you know , maybe five minutes ,

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Something like that . We see , we see

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several students like that . Um not

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everyone can participate in in person

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discussions , right ? So only one

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person can talk at a time , often

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depending on the format that we have

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also want you to pay attention to this

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student basically fallen asleep , it

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looks like , I mean I'm not for sure ,

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but oftentimes when students can't

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engage , when they want to engage ,

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they fall asleep , you know , they

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don't want to participate anymore . Um

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so when we when we compare this to a

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communication tool that we can use a

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synchronously where everyone can

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participate , um no one person is going

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to dominate the conversation or

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anything like that , it's a different

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dynamic , so I'm not saying that it's

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in person versus online . Um but

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maybe it's both , right , Maybe it's

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blending both of them if you have that

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opportunity or maybe it's blending

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asynchronous and live discussions .

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So this is an example of some student

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comments and as I watch as I play this ,

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I want you to think um how are they

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feeling uh , as our commenting

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from , well from watching that video .

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I see that a lot of popular ways to

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use technology these days is

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blogs and turning in things on your

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blog and such . And while that is

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great as an early childhood major ,

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that's probably not going to be the

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case since they probably won't see

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able to do that quite yet in the second

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grade or whatever .

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Okay . I really enjoyed watching the

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video of all the Children doing the

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different digital story tellings . And

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I guess I assume that this project will

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be more for the older grades ,

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maybe fourth and up . But watching this ,

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I realized that even someone in

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preschool can do this because all they

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have to do is draw the picture . Okay .

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Which student , well from watching that

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video , which student was the most

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excited Right ? The 2nd 1 , you

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can see it , you could feel it . Um ,

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and so if I just transcribed what they

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said , maybe I wouldn't be able to tell

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which one was really excited about

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their learning . Which one wasn't . You

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know , I think in text we can often

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hide our , our emotions . Um , and so

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if if that's an important thing , if

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you really want to know how , how your

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students or learners are feeling video

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can be a great way to do that .

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Um , in fact during the pandemic when

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we shifted online , I needed to know

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how , how they're feeling , especially

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during this time . So I created an ice

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breaker using an app called it connect

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and I'll just play a little bit of this

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everybody as we get to know this app I

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thought would be really good just to

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have a fun topic to post to . So uh in

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this topic , go ahead and post the

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video that tells a group what's going

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to help you get through this shutdown .

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So obviously there's gonna be some

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challenges and some boredom ahead . And

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so what are you , what's going to help

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you get through those ? Um for me ,

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it's going to be emergency chocolate

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cake . We found my wife and I found

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online a website that had emergency

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chocolate cake that you can make it a

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little mug . Um and since we're in a

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state of emergency , we've been making

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it every night . It's not the best

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chocolate cake . But with enough ice

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cream , it gets you through the tough

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times . So anyway , look forward to

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hearing what , what is going to help

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you get through the tough times . Okay ,

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so a quick idea . So I'm the after

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picture that I've continued that

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tradition through the pandemic , which

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is not good if I could go back to that

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my previous self , I would say , no ,

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don't do that . Um but I mean it's just

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casual , it's natural . You know ,

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we're sharing glimpses into our lives

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and and we shouldn't be , we shouldn't

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shy away from that . That can actually

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improve learning everybody .

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Ah this video was from a student

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and he used , he used flip here . But

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this is the Tiktok generation , right ?

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So so they used that pause button a lot

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and this is just too good not to share .

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And it shows you some of the creativity

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that you might see in video . This is

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obviously no lunches , school student .

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I don't know if you see this with adult

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learners or anyone or anything like

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that . But um , it's kind of cool what

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you can do . Where's the quadrille ?

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I've got them right here .

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Yeah , don't write what I got your

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quadrilateral . Dude , these are not

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quadra laterals . These are triangles

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or do the same thing . No , this is a

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triangle . This is a quadrilateral .

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Okay , I got your quadrilateral . This

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is a quadrilateral look . This is the

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one who gave me . This is the one I

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bought her the same thing . Yeah .

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Okay . Uh huh . Yeah ,

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quadrilateral Is a shape with four

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slides , sides and it's closed . It

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also has four angles .

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Geez

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okay , I got scissors .

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Let me give you a walk look , four

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sides , four angles and it's close .

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Happy Cantigny says it does have four

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sides and four angles and disclose that

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also counts as a quad Carolina that all

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cars and waters are rectangles or

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squares , gee . Like I did not know

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anything about shapes .

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It's in my wallet . Yes . So I

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love , I love that video and when

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people say , oh , I just can't connect

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with other people in online discussions

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or you know , I feel like I'm talking

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to a robot . If you use video , you

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know that you're not talking to a robot ,

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right ? Uh and you can express yourself

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in new ways . I'm not saying that you

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would assign something like this to

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your learners , but it allows them to

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express themselves in ways that they

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couldn't using text or even in person .

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So , so it's a great way to communicate .

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Okay , so let's go . Lastly , I want to

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talk about learner instructor

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interactions and specifically with

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feedback and how we might use video for

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feedback . Um This is another video

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clip . I don't know if you've seen mr D .

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This is uh Canada , but as you watch

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this , this is not a good example . But

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sometimes this is how our learners Phil

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we grade assignments . Um and now a

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sneak peek at the new comedy series .

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Mr D . Yeah , there goes your weekend

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a market . Really . Let me explain how

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this works . If these were regular

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tests . What I would do is I would find

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the smart students . Maya would mark

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his first , right then I'd use that as

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my answer . But these are essay

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questions . Now , if I were to read

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these , it would take forever . So I

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don't . So I look at their mark going

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into it . Okay , like Maya , where's

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Maya has the highest mark in the class ?

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There she is . So that's my answer key .

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Don't you already know the answers .

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Hmm . Sometimes those are better . I

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gotta give her a good mark a couple

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circles and then sometimes too vague ,

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too vague right that we don't have to

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give her 100 . Yeah . The only look

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realistic 96 . I give her a little more

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than she has going in that way . She

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won't come back to challenge me . Good

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sister . Jimmy , jimmy . Look at jimmy .

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Nothing . It's never enough garbage .

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Waste of time . 33 . There's some words

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there , but I have no time to read them .

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So then I get angry . Jimmy ,

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ridiculous . This has got to stop . You

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could say the same thing to you . Okay .

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You got the system . Yeah , that's a

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good system , buddy . You do those ones .

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You want me to market ? You don't

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really mark you . Just All right . Put

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marks on it and you put a surface ,

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your circle of number a forger . Okay .

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Here's Mike . Now Mike . He's got a 62 .

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You should give him an 80 . Get amazing .

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Make his day . Right , Okay . And he

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goes home . His parents are excited . I

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like that . Finally , you've been

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rooting for him the whole time . About

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time . Thank you . This person , Shauna .

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I don't like her tries me nuts . Right ?

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So what I do is I failure on the exam ,

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but I just give her enough to pass the

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course . What off the teacher again .

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So it's like a lot of check marks .

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Question marks . Underline something's

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a couple good comments , mediocre .

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I've used that one . That's a good one .

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Happy face smile . That's disturbing .

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You are almost a teacher .

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Okay . So this is not how we should

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great that this is not a good model ,

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but if we just give a great or even if

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we just give a grade with a , with a

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rubric attached to it , people don't

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really know how we came up with that .

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Right ? And so we , we also want to

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provide students with some feedback

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comments right , specific to their work .

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Um , and that can be really time

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consuming to type out or write out .

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There's different ways to make that

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more efficient . One way to do that ,

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um , is using video . So when we look

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at quality feedback , the timing is

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really important . We want it to be

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delivered pretty efficiently to them

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both using the instructor time , but

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also students are waiting for the

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feedback . The content obviously is

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really important . Not only do we want

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to uh tell them what they did wrong ,

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but we want to show them how they can

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improve . And then delivery is really

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important as well , like , uh , we

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don't want them to get the feedback and

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feel discouraged and not apply it right ?

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So we want to have kind of good bedside

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manner when we're delivering bad news

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and also , uh , let them know that

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we're excited when they've done really

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great work . Right ? And so quality

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feedback really needs all three of

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these , you can imagine that you might

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have feedback . That's timely uh and

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specific but unkind . You can also

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imagine that you've got a feedback that

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specific and kind , but it takes five

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weeks to get it . So that's not really

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helpful . And you can imagine feedback

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that is timely and kind , but it's so

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generic , it's like way to go and

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that's it , right ? It's not specific

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to the person , so we really need all

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three of these in order to have really

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great feedback . Yeah ,

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the five , sorry , I'm going to skip

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this . So , video can really help with

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this . This is Greg Grimsby at Gmu

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where I'm at George Mason . And he

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teaches in our class , a graphic design

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class . Um here , I'm just gonna play a

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little bit of how he gives you back to

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using a screen casting tool . All right ,

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Jeff , I'm pleased by this animation

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and I'm pleased to be pleased because

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some of the animations that I've seen

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have been less than awesome .

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But you picked some good reference .

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It's clean . You can tell what's going

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on with the body of your So , imagine

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giving that feedback without

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video , right ? It would be really ,

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really difficult to do . It's a visual

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assignment , visual project . And so ,

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having him show what he's talking about

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is really important , provide context ,

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but also you can feel the emotion and

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when he's providing feedback , like

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this is great way to go . You know ,

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and you really feel that as a student .

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Mhm . This is one where uh Brenda , I

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used to teach right next door to her

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before I started working from home ,

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but um she she's great and she gave

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specific text feedback and then she she

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went in with a video to kind of give an

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overall comment going through , Okay ,

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this is this is what I meant by this

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comment and kind of giving them overall

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encouragement and things like that . So

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so this this video comment um uh if you

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use a learning management system ,

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sometimes they allow you to give video

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feedback directly into um into

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the LMS where you don't have to go to

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an outside tool or anything like that

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canvas is probably the best of that .

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If you've heard of that learning

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management system , but you can see

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that there's a discussion here where

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you can add a comment of video comment

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that he posted here , but then the

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students can also reply to you . So if

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there's a way where students can

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actually respond to you and the

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feedback that you provide , that's best .

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So what whatever system that you're

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using , I'm going to play this video ,

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it's short . Mhm .

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Mhm . Yes . Just get finished watching

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your video . It's looking real good .

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Like you pointed out in your comment .

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Yeah , there's no title screen , but

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that's okay . 29 out of 30 is still not

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bad . You get everything else . Pretty

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good . It was a little hard to hear

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your narration , like the narration of

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the background music , We're kind of

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fighting in the background music kind

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of one . So you know next time in

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future videos we'll try to change the

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volume levels and you know , it just a

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little bit um I think it was pretty

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good at the end . I think you get the

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volume to come up pretty good on the on

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the background music . But anyway ,

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little consideration is not a big deal .

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Um You did really good and we're

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looking forward to seeing you again

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after practice . So take care . So what

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are your thoughts about that ? Feedback

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comments ? If you could

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put it in the chat , that'd be great .

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Okay . Seemed disinterested , right ?

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Like like it was a bit of a chore . A

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little bit . Yeah . Yeah . Um

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In actuality I I know this person and

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he is very animated typically in person ,

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right ? But I don't know if this was

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like the 30th assignment had given ,

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but also he's in he's in a lab

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environment , this isn't an office ,

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he's surrounded by other people , right ?

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And he couldn't be very animated

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because he would have been distracting

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to other people . So when we use video ,

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we want to remember that , that we want

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to be in a quiet environment that we

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can actually express ourselves , right ?

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And I don't think he was frustrated by

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this at all . But I have interviewed

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instructors where they said , you know ,

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I was really frustrated by the

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assignment . I gave feedback . And then

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I never heard from the student again .

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Right ? So in texas really easy to , to

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hide our emotions . What's great about

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videos that we can show our emotions if

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the emotions are positive . But if

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we're , if , if we're um

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frustrated , that will also come

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through . If we're upset , that will

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also come through . So we want to be

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sure that we're conveying the correct

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emotions when we're doing this .

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The last thing I'll say is there's lots

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of research on feedback and how

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important instructor feedback is to

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students or learners , but it's also

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really important for us to receive

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feedback from learners on our own

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instruction . In fact that impacts

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learning more than the feedback that we

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provide to learners . So I do this with

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voice read . I do with surveys as well

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to have more anonymous feedback . But I

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also do it with uh not voicethread with

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flip grid and it's hidden . So you can

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see that it's hidden . Only I can see

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we're sorry , the evaluations right

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here . So only I can see it . It's

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active , but only I I can see the

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comments are not seeing their peers or

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anything like that because we don't

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want to fall into groupthink . Um , but

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it's really helpful , although it's not

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anonymous for me to be able to hear

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what they're , how they're feeling in

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their voice . You know , is super

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helpful for me and if if I can tell

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someone is looks particularly

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discouraged , I'll reach out to them

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and I'll say hey how's it going ? Thank

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you for . The feedback can be set up a

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time to talk about it right ? Um Which

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is which is really great . Um But I

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would completely miss that from a

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survey or from even a text reflection .

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Okay so that's all I have but I just

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wanna thank you for this opportunity ,

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it's great . I hope to answer some of

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your questions here . Also just a

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reminder that there is this free book

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that's available that goes through some

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of what I talked about but also a lot

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more if you're interested in teaching

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with with asynchronous recorded video .

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Thank you doctor bora . We do have a

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couple of questions that were forward

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to me uh prior to the event when they

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registered . So the first question is

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this teachers doing online learning

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reports , students do not activate

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their cameras during online classes .

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What are your recommendations to

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overcome this ?

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Uh look at our screen right now .

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Uh Well I could ask and can everyone

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please turn on their cameras if you

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like ? It would be great . Um So it

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kind of starts with that right ? It

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starts with the request and and isn't

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that better ? Like I can see some of

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you now um you can also use

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use their webcams in in different ways ,

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right ? Like like you could have them

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pull out a piece paper and show show

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something that they've written . So

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it's not just showing themselves where

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they can show other things , or you can

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set , you can start a class with a warm

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up activity basically saying , okay , I

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want everyone to find something out of

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their wallet or out of their purse um

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and show it , you know , and and and it

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can be a nice not icebreaker , but kind

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of a warm up and it gets them using the

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web camp . So at the start of this ,

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you'll notice I had to introduce

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yourselves in the text . Yes . I wanted

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to know where you are from and I wanted

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to know that information . But more

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importantly , I wanted you start to

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feel comfortable using the text chat

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box , right ? I wanted to invite you to

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do that and have you actually do it

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because I feel like you're more likely

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to do it later on , right ? But at the

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same time , I I also I'm hesitant to

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make it mandatory to show um web

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camps all the time . Uh But what I

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would also do is is if they're not

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gonna show up came out to have them

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upload a profile picture , right ? So

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that we at least see that . And I

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actually encourage them to switch that

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up . So uh tell them at a new one from

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a photo that you've taken this week or

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something like that , right ? So it

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doesn't have to be the same photo I

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have a profile picture where I have

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short hair and and clean shaven and I

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look five years younger because it was

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five years ago . Right ? And so we have

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to switch that stuff up as , as well as

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instructor and kind of model that um

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uh the other thing I'd say is

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in breakout rooms , so I , I've taught

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two groups where no one has the web

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come on , I put them in a breakout room

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and they all have their webcams on .

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Right . And so that is a good way for

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them to also kind of practice that or

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in small groups if they don't have

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their web , come on . I've been in

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classes where they said , hey johnny

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turn your webcam on . So it's coming

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from the student , you know , so , so

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that , that's another , that's another

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way to do it , but sometimes it does

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feel like you're presenting to the void .

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Right . one other thing I'd say is , um ,

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we've used a text chat here , but even

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if they don't have their webcams on ,

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you can have them participate in lots

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of ways . One way that I've used is

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I'll have a google slides presentation

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that everyone can edit synchronously

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And I'll engage them every 3-5 minutes .

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I'll say , Okay , go to this slide , I

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want you to respond to this question .

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So everyone's responding there , we

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have a written record at the end ,

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people can refer back to the

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presentation . So every every 3-5

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minutes I want to hear from everybody

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in some way , right ? Typically when

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I'm when I'm teaching something , I

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want to verify how things are going .

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So that might be the chat but I can

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also do it in like a google slides

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presentation or a pole or something

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like that . But it does feel like

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you're teaching to the void . And um I

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just created a video um from

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a trainer uh in D . C . And

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the video is teaching to the void .

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Like how do you get people to turn on

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the camera or connect with them ? So

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I'll share that video as well um that

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you guys can have in your professional

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learning groups as well . Thank you so

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much . All right , the next question is

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how do you avoid being a heavy breather

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online ? You've been talking to my

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wife , I have that

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habit . Like I'll be making , I'll be

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making videos and of my kids and all

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you hear is me in the background like

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like gasping for air or kind of the

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Darth vader effect , I totally do that .

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One thing is if that's a problem for

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you um

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uh is to have to buy a

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a a standalone microphone right ? And

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with that microphone you can have like

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a cover on top of it and that that

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mutes all the hard noises and makes it

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softer um so so you can't necessarily

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require students to go out and buy that .

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But for you it's it's $100 investment

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that can make a world of difference .

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And I typically have them because I

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know that's a problem for me . So , uh ,

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so recognize that and then there's ways

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to work around it . All right . We have

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another question . If your students are

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being ultra quiet during a lesson ,

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what do you recommend the instructor do

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to get them engaged ? Yeah , great

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question as well . Um , engagement is

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something that I I read an article

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where they called it the Holy Grail of

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of learning . And I love that metaphor

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because it shows how important it is ,

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but also how elusive it can be at times

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they were always kind of questing for

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that for that engagement . Um , I think

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it's uh , it's hard to be engaged in

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what I just did , right ? Um , I I

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spoke to you for 40 minutes . I would

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never do that for a class , especially

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with smaller learners . Uh , I would I

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would have different activities

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throughout like every 5 to 5 minutes

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I've switched it up and have them

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participate in different ways . But if

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you always ask the whole group , uh

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you're gonna fall under the same trap

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as as in person . If you asked the

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whole group . I love that uh , photo of

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everyone holding up their hands and

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then the chat people are saying , well ,

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they're really engaged emotionally ,

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They're engaged , but they're not

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participating , right ? Just because

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you're holding up your hand does not

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mean you're participating . But if you

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can have breakout rooms or even small

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group discussions in person , that's a

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great way for even the quietest of , of

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students to participate . And I also

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feel like um if you have a synchronous

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discussions , like we like we talked

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about , um everyone participates , you

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can require everyone to participate and

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you can hear everyone's voice . So even

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if you have one of those discussions

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before you meet in person , everyone's

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participated and then you can say , hey

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sally , um I noticed you said this

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online , can you elaborate on that ?

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You can come better prepared to kind of

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pull people in rather than asking them

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cold on the spot . Hey sally , what do

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you think about this ? You know ,

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you've already given sally time to

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reflect time to think about it . And

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then when you ask her , she's gonna

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have something to say . Right ? So

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actually preparing them , having them

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engage in some discussion beforehand

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before you meet in person can be really

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powerful . That's great . Thank you .

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All right . Our next question , threat

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up your alley too . What are some

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pointers for training yourself to talk

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into the camera ? Yeah , watch a video

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of yourself honestly . So , so record a

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class and go back and watch yourself ?

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It's painful . It's hard . I don't like

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doing it , but like game film . So I

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used to play basketball . You know , I

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mentioned us to have to play basketball

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uh watching game film film is

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everything . And so if you're if you're

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presenting record yourself , go back

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and watch , see what you're doing , you

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know ? And and it's kind of a reminder .

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The other thing that I would do is , um

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if you have talking points that you

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want to cover , um take a sticky note

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out , jot those down and then put that

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sticky note right against the webcam ,

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or take a word document , type it up

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and then and then uh minimize

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the window to the point where it's

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right underneath the web cam . And then

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it it allows you to look at the webcam

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more , which which can be really

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helpful . Um sometimes uh ,

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we have a tendency to look at ourselves .

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So what I also do is I will turn off my

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video , so I'm not looking at myself .

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So I'm not drawn to that narcissism

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that is in all of us that we want to

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see how we look and things like that .

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So I'll actually turn off my webcam and

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then it forces me to either look at

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them , pay attention to them and look

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more into the camera . That's great .

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Thank you . The next question is asking

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what you would recommend as a good

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repository for short micro content

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videos or do you think something like a

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private youtube link would work better .

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So these are videos that you're you're

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developing . Is that the , I'm guessing .

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Yes . Yeah . So , um ,

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Amber , do you want to come off your

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mic and , and explain a little more .

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So you talked a little bit about making

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short video snippets . And so if you

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were just developing content safe for ,

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you know , your , your coworkers or

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your , your employees or maybe not in a

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classroom setting where you are in an

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LMS , what would be a good place to

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store these Short 3-5 min videos to

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share with people ? I think it all

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depends on how sensitive the videos

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are , but if I

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let me go to , let

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me share my screen . Um , what I do is

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I , um ,

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I use Youtube almost exclusively

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because in Youtube , if I , if I look

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at my content , I've got these videos .

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Um , yeah , avoiding the void . See

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this is the video was just talking to

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you about and you can see that they're

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unlisted . So , so they are set to

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private . I can also change that uh ,

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to private if I want to write . So only

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those people that I want to share with

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will have it . But the other really

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powerful thing is that I can create

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playlists . So here I can curate . So

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these are the videos that I've been

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creating for my faculty and you can see

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here , I've got the videos here , I can

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rearrange these really easily .

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Um , and the other nice thing ,

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I can also share a list

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really , really easily in Youtube . So

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for me , um , I'm not creating anything

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really sensitive . Right ? So and and I

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tell people , you know , if I'm making

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a video with you , I'm going to put

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this on Youtube and we can talk about

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what permission settings we have it on ,

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but that's typically what I what I use

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and I found to be really helpful and

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robust . The other nice thing about

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youtube is when you're talking about

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accessibility , they've gotten way

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better at voice recognition and and

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voice of texts , close captioning . So

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these automatic automatic captions ,

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But then it's not perfect , it doesn't

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have punctuation and I can go in there

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and you know , in 20 minutes , make

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sure that my video has really nice

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close captioning , that's accurate ,

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you know , where with other systems

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that can be really difficult to do that .

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Mhm . All right .

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The next question is asking about

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designers . So people who are designing

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content , how do you teach them to

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design for this type of environment

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with a lot of interaction when there's

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content that they must deliver . Yeah ,

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yeah , yeah , it's hard . I

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mean oftentimes we're hiring people

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that have no online facilitation

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experience , so they might be great

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designers and then and then we say ,

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okay , you've designed the course now

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go facilitate it and they're they're

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two different skills . Right ? Um So I

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think that keeping in mind that

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um there are these technologies out

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there , some of them just aren't aware

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of them . Right ? They've never heard

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of uh flip grater and things like that ,

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so it can be really overwhelming to

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kind of have all these technologies

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wash over you uh and then try to pull

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out the one that's gonna be that's

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gonna be really helpful . Um But I

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think with instructional designers we

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need to focus on the verbs , not

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pronouns what I mean by that is I

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didn't come up with this concept , I

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stole it , I can't remember where I

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stole it from , but it's this idea of

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focusing on what the technology can do

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rather than what the technology is

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called or what it is because those

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change . So the idea of asynchronous

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communication and thinking about

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asynchronous communication as um video ,

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audio or or or uh text can be really

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helpful and then you can find the

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technology to do that oftentimes we

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default to live sessions because that's

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what we're familiar with . We've we've

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we've done this in person and we feel

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like well we can replicate everything

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in a synchronous call or video webinar ,

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that that isn't the case , right ? You

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just can't and it's really hard to

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engage everybody that way . So thinking

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through how do we blend um

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asynchronous with synchronous and I

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think that's a good starting point .

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The asynchronous environment is

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actually much more interactive than the

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synchronous environment , I mean look

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at this right now , how many people

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have commented , Five maybe , you know ?

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And I might think , oh yeah , the

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questions that I got were really great ,

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but you know , I haven't heard not to

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put anyone on the spot but William I

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haven't heard from you , you know ,

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like it's fine , it's to be expected .

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But oftentimes we feel like , oh , the

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synchronous environments really

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interactive when it's not , it just

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isn't . Um and so to have some

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asynchronous discussion and and really

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think through that , how can I how can

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I leverage the power of asynchronous

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communication is important and and to

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to really encourage instructional

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designers and facilitators to do that .

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All right , we have one last question

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and they're asking about your thoughts

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on using cahoots or quiz allies

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or engagement . Yeah , so both of those

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are are kind of

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polling tools but has a game gaming

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aspect to it as music and you know ,

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winners and points and the tallies up .

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I'm all fourth , you know , sure . Of

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course use it . Um but again , uh

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it all comes down to what are you

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actually using the poor and being

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intentional on , you know , is it

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aligned with your learning outcomes ?

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But you need to inject some sort of

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participation . And I think those are

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good tools to use as well . Oftentimes

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we we take tools that are designed for

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K- 12 and we were like , oh this is too

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kitty , you know , I don't I don't want

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to watch that , but in the end um you

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know , people want to be engaged no

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matter the age , you know , and so you

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can take those tools and you can make

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them appropriate for your setting too .

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All right , I think that is it for the

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questions . Thank you so much , doctor

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bora . So we will conclude this session

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for our Learning Professional question

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and answer for our listeners . Thank

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you so much for your time and

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participation . We look forward to

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seeing you again soon and dr Barrett ,

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thank you so much for agreeing to speak

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with us today and taking our questions

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