WEBVTT 00:04.440 --> 00:06.496 So we talked about the importance of 00:06.496 --> 00:08.590 the oath . We talked about a 00:08.600 --> 00:10.930 description of impermissible behaviors . 00:10.940 --> 00:13.051 And if you have a further question on 00:13.051 --> 00:14.884 what exactly those impermissible 00:14.884 --> 00:17.107 behaviors are , I know we're gonna make 00:17.110 --> 00:19.950 this uh this playbook extremism stand 00:19.950 --> 00:22.540 down playbook available to the entire 00:22.540 --> 00:24.740 wing and that has some clearly 00:24.750 --> 00:28.490 delineated dues and don't use . And we 00:28.500 --> 00:30.611 articulated some of those today . And 00:30.611 --> 00:32.722 the last thing I'd like to talk about 00:32.722 --> 00:35.290 focus on procedures for reporting 00:35.290 --> 00:37.179 suspected or actual impermissible 00:37.179 --> 00:39.280 behaviors influence with Doughty 00:39.290 --> 00:43.090 Department of Defense instruction 13 25 00:43.090 --> 00:46.830 06 . And really what uh 00:46.840 --> 00:49.450 trying to get after recognizing . It's 00:49.450 --> 00:51.390 not just reporting , right ? It's 00:51.400 --> 00:54.940 beyond recognizing responding and then 00:54.940 --> 00:58.320 reporting . Um So the key to me is the 00:58.320 --> 01:00.376 recognition portion because we don't 01:00.376 --> 01:02.700 know what we don't know we think . And 01:02.710 --> 01:04.654 on social media we may have seen a 01:04.654 --> 01:06.750 tweet , we may have seen a post or 01:06.750 --> 01:08.972 something that just seemed a little bit 01:08.972 --> 01:11.083 off color , but we don't know whether 01:11.083 --> 01:13.250 it meets the threshold of this and not 01:13.250 --> 01:15.306 everything is going to quite frankly 01:15.306 --> 01:18.120 like um So if you recognize language 01:18.130 --> 01:20.241 actions or associations , you find to 01:20.241 --> 01:23.130 be impermissible behavior based on what 01:23.130 --> 01:25.850 we talked about earlier , you must act 01:25.850 --> 01:27.683 regardless of rank or position , 01:27.683 --> 01:30.060 military or civilian status . Now , 01:30.070 --> 01:31.903 again , this is for our civilian 01:31.903 --> 01:34.014 members as well . And I will tell you 01:34.014 --> 01:35.959 one of the questions is how do you 01:35.959 --> 01:37.848 resolve impermissible behavior is 01:37.848 --> 01:39.848 exhibited by our Air Force civilian 01:39.848 --> 01:41.737 employees . Again , our Air Force 01:41.737 --> 01:43.848 civilian employees are just that they 01:43.848 --> 01:45.626 are Department of the Air Force 01:45.626 --> 01:47.681 civilian employees . And so although 01:47.681 --> 01:50.014 they don't follow you see MJ like we do , 01:50.014 --> 01:52.126 they do fall under uh regulations and 01:52.126 --> 01:54.780 instructions that uh dictate their 01:54.780 --> 01:56.950 conduct while in civilian status as 01:56.960 --> 01:59.930 well . And so they're helped you 01:59.940 --> 02:03.870 very similar , same and similar 02:03.870 --> 02:05.870 standards under their guidelines as 02:05.870 --> 02:07.926 well . The same standard , different 02:07.926 --> 02:10.259 adjudicating methods , you know , hours , 02:10.259 --> 02:11.926 you Sanjay and there's no and 02:11.926 --> 02:15.670 construction so when you recognize 02:15.670 --> 02:17.670 impermissible behaviors are several 02:17.670 --> 02:19.392 ways to respond and report the 02:19.392 --> 02:21.226 impermissible behavior . If your 02:21.226 --> 02:23.900 command chain is engaging in in the 02:23.910 --> 02:26.540 impermissible behavior then use one of 02:26.540 --> 02:28.710 the following entities Security forces 02:28.720 --> 02:31.920 office of special investigations or I . 02:31.920 --> 02:33.460 G . Hardline . Right . 02:36.640 --> 02:39.780 Sorry . So what is what is that first 02:39.780 --> 02:43.290 part recognition ? That recognition I 02:43.290 --> 02:45.401 think is predominantly what we talked 02:45.401 --> 02:47.568 about in the last portion is are those 02:47.568 --> 02:49.623 informational behaviors . And if you 02:49.623 --> 02:51.846 have a question , I would encourage you 02:51.846 --> 02:53.901 to reach out to your shirt . I would 02:53.901 --> 02:55.846 encourage you to reach out to your 02:55.846 --> 02:57.957 command team because you reach out to 02:57.957 --> 03:01.300 one of us quite frankly um and kind of 03:01.300 --> 03:03.244 get a vector check . Am looking on 03:03.244 --> 03:05.850 seeing this . And can you help me 03:05.860 --> 03:08.027 figure out if it rises to the level of 03:08.027 --> 03:10.138 this impermissible behavior and we'll 03:10.138 --> 03:12.193 sit down together , we'll crack open 03:12.193 --> 03:14.416 the the uh the book and we'll say , hey 03:14.416 --> 03:16.638 does it meet this particular standard ? 03:16.638 --> 03:19.100 And if it doesn't and it's and there's 03:19.100 --> 03:21.156 something just you know you got your 03:21.156 --> 03:23.156 spider senses on , then it might be 03:23.156 --> 03:25.156 something else . And we can address 03:25.156 --> 03:27.630 that through through our channels . But 03:27.640 --> 03:30.660 if it's one of these um impermissible 03:30.660 --> 03:33.080 behavior for an extremist ideology , 03:33.090 --> 03:36.230 supremacist ideology , then we ask that 03:36.230 --> 03:38.320 you go through us as well . Your 03:38.320 --> 03:40.487 command chain , let your grand chain . 03:40.487 --> 03:42.431 No , but you you want to report it 03:42.431 --> 03:44.970 through security forces . Os I . Office 03:44.970 --> 03:47.026 of Special Investigations or I . G . 03:47.026 --> 03:49.192 Hotline uh that I . G . Hotline is one 03:49.192 --> 03:51.430 of your valuable tool as well . If you 03:51.430 --> 03:53.670 don't know who your security forces uh 03:53.680 --> 03:56.360 members who you don't . Your local LLC 03:56.360 --> 04:00.120 agent is your G . Hotline is in 04:00.290 --> 04:02.401 pretty much every squadron has a bolt 04:02.401 --> 04:04.290 import with their G . Online . So 04:04.290 --> 04:06.480 that's that's a excellent recourse . 04:06.810 --> 04:09.280 And again , I think the way this is 04:09.280 --> 04:11.800 teed up is that if it's in your command 04:11.800 --> 04:13.990 change is engaging that you're welcome 04:13.990 --> 04:16.290 to bypass your command chain and go to 04:16.290 --> 04:19.060 those one of those three resources . 04:19.840 --> 04:21.173 Any questions on that . 04:23.840 --> 04:26.200 Now , I will tell you in a broad 04:26.210 --> 04:29.750 general discussion . Um Mhm . 04:30.340 --> 04:32.920 So this was this was born out of the 04:32.930 --> 04:35.050 January six months . Right ? That's 04:36.540 --> 04:39.370 undeniable . That was the catalyst . If 04:39.370 --> 04:42.010 you will that have the secretary of 04:42.010 --> 04:44.410 Defense profligate to not line this 04:44.420 --> 04:47.550 extremism stand and the Department of 04:47.560 --> 04:49.782 the Air Force is on board . I will tell 04:49.782 --> 04:52.004 you that our reserve command leadership 04:52.004 --> 04:53.920 is 100 on board in the way of 04:53.920 --> 04:56.350 redemption Scobie . I can't their force 04:56.350 --> 04:58.461 command leadership is on board in the 04:58.461 --> 05:00.572 way of Major general uh morgan . John 05:00.572 --> 05:02.683 morgan as I alluded to earlier is has 05:02.683 --> 05:04.739 shared with us his personally in the 05:04.739 --> 05:07.660 activity of a colleague that has since 05:07.660 --> 05:10.180 retired in the area and that flew with 05:10.180 --> 05:12.250 him and he's deployed the number of 05:12.250 --> 05:14.417 times and he has seen that this airman 05:14.417 --> 05:16.528 has gone his retirement , excuse me , 05:16.528 --> 05:18.694 has gone down a rabbit hole that he is 05:18.694 --> 05:20.917 uncomfortable with . And so he's talked 05:20.917 --> 05:22.917 to him , fears that this airman has 05:22.917 --> 05:24.528 gone down . This rabbit hole 05:24.720 --> 05:28.450 potentially has worry that 05:28.940 --> 05:31.330 they may alienate their family members , 05:31.510 --> 05:35.210 right ? And thereby alienating No . Um 05:35.210 --> 05:38.080 now as a civilian , as a , as a retiree , 05:38.120 --> 05:40.720 there's only so much we can do . But in 05:40.720 --> 05:43.860 the air force pulse that are active and 05:44.240 --> 05:46.462 uniform or in civilian status , they're 05:46.462 --> 05:48.518 definitely , there's definite report 05:48.518 --> 05:51.260 global tubes . Having said that , I 05:51.270 --> 05:53.760 will tell you my personal life not seen 05:54.140 --> 05:56.790 and I'm not naive to believe that it 05:56.790 --> 05:58.960 doesn't happen . But growing in the 05:58.960 --> 06:00.960 ranks , I have not seen that . I've 06:00.960 --> 06:03.182 heard anecdotally from active component 06:03.182 --> 06:05.349 counterparts . I've heard from reserve 06:05.349 --> 06:07.780 counterparts that they have not seen a 06:07.780 --> 06:10.590 huge spike in it . Again , we 06:10.590 --> 06:12.812 absolutely do understand and appreciate 06:12.812 --> 06:14.923 that happens and it affects us and if 06:14.923 --> 06:16.970 it , if it affects one of us , it 06:16.970 --> 06:19.180 affects all of us as a family . And so 06:19.180 --> 06:21.291 that's exactly why we're doing this . 06:21.291 --> 06:23.458 But I will open up to the floor to see 06:23.458 --> 06:26.340 uh for anybody that has any vignettes 06:26.340 --> 06:28.890 or has seen it or not seen it . I'd 06:28.890 --> 06:31.070 like to get a pulse temperature check 06:31.070 --> 06:34.920 up are , are meant to see ball's in 06:34.920 --> 06:37.990 your court , Have you seen it ? Has it 06:37.990 --> 06:39.990 affected your lives and something ? 06:41.140 --> 06:44.660 Sure . Yes , sir , um , 06:45.540 --> 06:48.270 I have a point to this . So , um I 06:48.270 --> 06:50.880 haven't noticed any um deliberate 06:50.880 --> 06:54.790 extremism in my community , but around 06:54.790 --> 06:56.957 the events that you were talking about 06:56.957 --> 06:59.012 earlier , of january , I had noticed 06:59.012 --> 07:01.730 some social media postings from my 07:01.730 --> 07:04.220 local community , my neighborhood kind 07:04.220 --> 07:06.960 of watch type of social media platforms 07:06.970 --> 07:08.803 where people would post my dog's 07:08.803 --> 07:11.160 missing somebody help me . So , on 07:11.160 --> 07:13.590 those forums there was a couple 07:13.590 --> 07:15.590 instances where somebody would post 07:15.590 --> 07:18.980 some extremist ideologies indicating 07:19.150 --> 07:21.720 that they were in preparation 07:21.730 --> 07:24.400 preparation for some revolt or 07:24.450 --> 07:26.561 political agenda , and that they were 07:26.561 --> 07:28.728 ready to take up arms and we're trying 07:28.728 --> 07:30.839 to solicit further people to find out 07:30.839 --> 07:32.950 who in their community was on board . 07:32.950 --> 07:36.910 Um that was just one post . Um a 07:36.910 --> 07:39.188 lot of people came in opposition to it , 07:39.188 --> 07:41.354 but , you know , most people just kind 07:41.354 --> 07:43.521 of backed away , like they didn't want 07:43.521 --> 07:45.688 to get involved and I didn't know what 07:45.688 --> 07:47.577 my um ability to get involved was 07:47.577 --> 07:49.632 either because I didn't start social 07:49.632 --> 07:53.120 media attack on someone . So , but it 07:53.120 --> 07:56.090 does , it does give pause to me and the 07:56.090 --> 07:58.600 security of my neighborhood . And you 07:58.600 --> 08:00.656 know , what is that ? The pace of my 08:00.656 --> 08:02.711 community ? Is that is that the with 08:02.711 --> 08:05.430 the general presences or is it vastly 08:05.430 --> 08:07.430 against that ? And it's with social 08:07.430 --> 08:09.652 media and echo chambers and things like 08:09.652 --> 08:11.763 that ? It's very hard to to know what 08:11.763 --> 08:13.874 sort of the reality is and what other 08:13.874 --> 08:16.041 people are thinking , what the general 08:16.041 --> 08:19.680 population is thinking . So , uh I 08:19.680 --> 08:22.040 think engagement in those types of 08:22.050 --> 08:24.120 things like a subtle engagement for 08:24.120 --> 08:26.380 those types of individuals that are 08:26.380 --> 08:28.491 kind of going , they're going to that 08:28.491 --> 08:30.436 outlier to say kind of put them in 08:30.436 --> 08:32.658 check to say , no , this is this is not 08:32.658 --> 08:34.602 acceptable behavior in some way or 08:34.602 --> 08:36.769 another . Whether it's posting back to 08:36.769 --> 08:38.769 their social media or just engaging 08:38.769 --> 08:40.936 more with your community and even with 08:40.936 --> 08:43.102 your troops , you know , um , and your 08:43.102 --> 08:45.750 airmen and guardians two kind of say 08:45.750 --> 08:47.917 that's unacceptable behavior before it 08:47.917 --> 08:50.139 becomes something that they're going to 08:50.139 --> 08:53.960 go down to 08:53.960 --> 08:56.680 that end , I will tell you that first 08:56.680 --> 08:59.060 got the seat , I received shares of 08:59.070 --> 09:01.403 force protection briefing from the base , 09:01.740 --> 09:04.570 essentially , it was like um , Shoot 09:04.570 --> 09:08.180 Gibson PLC at that briefing back in 09:08.180 --> 09:11.730 September of 2020 distinctive father 09:11.740 --> 09:13.420 too . You know , extremist 09:13.420 --> 09:15.050 organizations , um , assist 09:15.060 --> 09:17.393 organizations that the base was tracked . 09:17.440 --> 09:20.210 Be interested to see if we've seen a 09:20.220 --> 09:22.740 Spike intend to get that briefing again 09:23.030 --> 09:25.450 and we'll make sure Miss Fowler sends 09:25.450 --> 09:28.830 out community , communicate . If you 09:28.830 --> 09:32.280 will kind of outline some extremist 09:32.290 --> 09:34.640 groups that we've seen . So that 09:34.640 --> 09:37.530 absolutely is known groups in the 09:37.530 --> 09:39.641 community that we have to be aware of 09:39.641 --> 09:42.960 and cognizant . But have we seen 09:42.960 --> 09:45.310 anything in our ranks that you'd be 09:45.320 --> 09:47.780 willing to share that's either affected 09:47.780 --> 09:51.070 you personally or tangentially be 09:51.080 --> 09:53.860 curious and interested here ? 09:55.040 --> 09:57.262 Well , one of the things I talked about 09:57.262 --> 10:00.040 my with my unit and some other military 10:00.040 --> 10:02.620 members about that kind of topic was 10:02.620 --> 10:06.550 that members tend to be very good at 10:06.550 --> 10:09.780 hiding that type of behavior . So in 10:09.780 --> 10:12.720 some articles that I read , many 10:13.240 --> 10:15.570 commanders had really thought that it 10:15.570 --> 10:18.960 was zero , you know , extremism or 10:18.960 --> 10:21.980 dissension in the ranks when they're 10:21.980 --> 10:25.420 really not looking part of or people 10:25.420 --> 10:28.610 are just hiding it well enough to go 10:28.610 --> 10:32.410 about their daily lives and just not be 10:32.410 --> 10:34.760 noticed . Sure . So I don't know how 10:34.760 --> 10:36.816 much that , you know , it takes . If 10:36.816 --> 10:38.871 you find one person that seems to be 10:38.871 --> 10:40.538 doing it , then how what what 10:40.538 --> 10:42.649 statistically does that for the whole 10:42.649 --> 10:45.150 of people that are just our idea , they 10:45.160 --> 10:47.660 extrapolate that to a department of 10:48.040 --> 10:50.490 millions of soldiers , sailors and 10:50.500 --> 10:54.480 gardens postcards , right ? And you 10:54.480 --> 10:56.424 don't want that to spread . So you 10:56.424 --> 10:58.647 don't want those people to have a voice 10:58.647 --> 11:00.920 if they start infecting or were 11:00.920 --> 11:04.210 spreading . Think so you want sleep dip 11:04.210 --> 11:08.060 it in the bud early trying . Mhm . Make 11:08.060 --> 11:09.949 it known that that's not accept . 11:11.640 --> 11:14.840 Perhaps that's something else on top 11:14.850 --> 11:17.370 about um about a year , two years ago . 11:17.380 --> 11:21.310 Um Long story short we found out 11:21.310 --> 11:23.421 that we were working with someone who 11:23.421 --> 11:25.643 was involved in that kind of stuff . Um 11:25.840 --> 11:28.150 I worked with the individual part of it 11:28.540 --> 11:32.300 um And you have a whatsoever until the 11:32.300 --> 11:34.300 local newspapers and so forth . You 11:34.300 --> 11:36.578 know following the story , it came out , 11:36.840 --> 11:40.480 oh for that instance I mean I think it 11:40.480 --> 11:44.480 was more shock a little bit anger . 11:44.490 --> 11:47.490 Um But the good part was that 11:47.500 --> 11:49.611 leadership did step in and they acted 11:49.611 --> 11:52.200 pretty quick . Mhm . As far as you know , 11:52.210 --> 11:54.850 quality rumors and and one night I was 11:54.860 --> 11:56.360 definitely appreciate it . 11:59.560 --> 12:02.020 And I can be fully transparent with you 12:02.090 --> 12:04.660 at our level that nothing has come up . 12:05.040 --> 12:07.040 You know our level for a particular 12:07.040 --> 12:09.262 incident on chairman that is engaged in 12:09.262 --> 12:11.429 this behavior . Again I'm not so naive 12:11.429 --> 12:13.540 as to think that that doesn't go on . 12:13.540 --> 12:16.350 But I will tell you is this um uh and 12:16.740 --> 12:20.220 my my advantage point but I'd like to 12:20.230 --> 12:22.690 do is you know we're gonna happen right ? 12:22.690 --> 12:24.857 We're gonna have groups like that , we 12:24.857 --> 12:26.968 have social media , what can we do as 12:26.968 --> 12:29.079 leaders folks that wear the uniform ? 12:29.079 --> 12:31.190 What can we do , fill that vacuum and 12:31.190 --> 12:33.301 counteract that ? And I will tell you 12:33.301 --> 12:35.523 the tools that we have in our tool tool 12:35.523 --> 12:37.523 chest , all those resiliency things 12:37.523 --> 12:39.468 that we've talked about . The core 12:39.468 --> 12:41.690 values we keep hitting home those types 12:41.690 --> 12:43.857 of things . Then I think the onesies , 12:43.857 --> 12:46.023 twosies that are harboring those types 12:46.023 --> 12:48.023 of pots and uh , we'll have it will 12:48.023 --> 12:50.246 give them pause . Hey , this is not the 12:50.246 --> 12:52.357 organization to bring it because I'll 12:52.357 --> 12:54.301 be met with immediate resistance , 12:54.301 --> 12:56.190 right ? If we can inculcated that 12:56.190 --> 12:58.301 culture , just say , hey , I get it . 12:58.301 --> 13:00.412 If you have that thought , you know , 13:00.420 --> 13:02.510 you got through the because every 13:02.520 --> 13:04.631 member department , Air Force and the 13:04.631 --> 13:06.798 and the Air Force , I remember reading 13:06.798 --> 13:08.964 someone goes through a vetting process 13:08.964 --> 13:11.020 to raise their hand , but medical , 13:11.030 --> 13:13.790 psychological , um , physical , 13:13.800 --> 13:15.856 everything . We go through a vetting 13:15.856 --> 13:18.078 process . We may have missed it , but I 13:18.078 --> 13:20.300 would . But I think the best way to get 13:20.300 --> 13:22.300 after that is to show them That the 13:22.300 --> 13:24.133 culture that we have in the 3/10 13:24.133 --> 13:26.356 baseline is such that that's just not . 13:26.356 --> 13:29.750 And either keep it at home or you know , 13:30.740 --> 13:32.907 figure it out because it's simply that 13:32.907 --> 13:35.980 you will not gain traction in our in 13:35.980 --> 13:38.202 our flights , will not gain traction in 13:38.202 --> 13:40.369 our squad . You will not gain traction 13:40.369 --> 13:42.536 our group and you certainly won't gain 13:42.536 --> 13:45.030 traction . Um , and then that's I think 13:45.030 --> 13:48.800 the culture we want to exhibit and give 13:48.800 --> 13:50.970 those Airmen or department Air force 13:50.970 --> 13:53.137 annoyance , give them pause to think , 13:53.137 --> 13:55.303 hey , maybe this is not what I recruit 13:55.303 --> 13:57.248 from . This is not where I espouse 13:57.248 --> 14:00.410 those values . Um , and if we do see 14:00.410 --> 14:02.577 that , then of course we have recourse 14:03.040 --> 14:06.410 supported to us . But after Department 14:06.420 --> 14:08.850 Direct Defense instruction Chief , 14:10.070 --> 14:12.181 you may not have the answer to this . 14:12.181 --> 14:15.560 Um , what is statistically 14:16.240 --> 14:18.900 like what , you know , in the 14:18.900 --> 14:21.011 military's , but identified that this 14:21.011 --> 14:23.122 many people have been court martialed 14:23.122 --> 14:25.289 or whatever as a whole , versus on the 14:25.289 --> 14:27.011 civilian side , because I'd be 14:27.011 --> 14:29.011 interested to see where statistic . 14:29.011 --> 14:31.150 Sure , sorry , will tell you . That's 14:31.150 --> 14:33.317 exactly one of the questions that's in 14:33.317 --> 14:35.330 the public sphere scandal . And the 14:35.330 --> 14:37.497 answer to that from the secretary . Of 14:37.497 --> 14:39.460 course that we don't we have never 14:39.470 --> 14:42.760 measured that particular , we've never 14:43.440 --> 14:45.920 capture that . Yeah they're going 14:45.930 --> 14:47.763 they're doing that now . They're 14:47.763 --> 14:51.030 looking at that now . Uh statistics we 14:51.030 --> 14:55.010 don't . Yeah . The short answer part 14:55.010 --> 14:58.260 goes . Mhm . The rational 14:59.340 --> 15:02.250 co out most of court martial 15:03.340 --> 15:05.610 punishment post . And I'd be interested 15:05.610 --> 15:07.910 to see you know , army vs . Air Force 15:07.910 --> 15:11.470 vs . Base Command versus A . T . C . 15:11.470 --> 15:13.359 Type of thing . Like that type of 15:13.359 --> 15:15.581 situation . So that way we can pinpoint 15:15.581 --> 15:18.930 where just starting , I can tell you 15:18.940 --> 15:22.470 that them from the things I've 15:22.480 --> 15:26.210 read that Capital riots on 15:26.220 --> 15:29.900 January six , I haven't seen any 15:29.900 --> 15:32.550 statistics but the common theme is that 15:32.940 --> 15:34.950 it's very close to have military 15:35.540 --> 15:38.960 backgrounds borrow paste um 15:39.340 --> 15:42.660 books did it in that 15:44.140 --> 15:47.070 we sound outsized influence of folks 15:47.070 --> 15:50.250 that some symbols of note there's 15:51.840 --> 15:54.650 think that's what held us to . Two . 15:56.940 --> 16:00.520 Yes . So you've 16:00.520 --> 16:04.460 listed , you know , specific examples 16:04.470 --> 16:06.380 of extremists , things that are 16:06.380 --> 16:09.080 impermissible . But I think at the core 16:09.080 --> 16:11.191 here , we're really talking about the 16:11.191 --> 16:14.930 sad fact that people gradually intent 16:14.930 --> 16:17.360 to subscribe to right or intolerance of 16:18.140 --> 16:20.800 and then , you know , hey , can it 16:20.810 --> 16:22.754 takes many forms of many different 16:22.754 --> 16:24.754 ideologies , different sides of the 16:24.754 --> 16:26.754 spectrum . So I'm just curious . So 16:26.754 --> 16:25.960 someone mentioned major shoulder 16:25.960 --> 16:27.904 mentioned engagement earlier . I'm 16:27.904 --> 16:30.071 curious as to whether the team has any 16:30.071 --> 16:32.730 ideas on how to engage hate early on 16:32.730 --> 16:34.452 within the rags . What kind of 16:34.452 --> 16:36.397 strategies , what kind of approach 16:36.397 --> 16:38.397 would you take to kind of get at it 16:38.397 --> 16:41.960 early on ? I guess I 16:41.960 --> 16:45.260 started learning it Early as a child . 16:45.270 --> 16:47.381 I grew up with my father being in the 16:47.381 --> 16:50.630 army for almost 30 and he saw a lot of 16:50.630 --> 16:54.150 stuff , he was Vietnam generation and 16:54.530 --> 16:57.310 one of the things that he told me that 16:57.320 --> 16:59.830 kind of stuck in my head was we're in 16:59.830 --> 17:03.670 the field , we all believe red and 17:03.670 --> 17:05.750 that is stuck with . And that is 17:05.750 --> 17:07.806 something that I guess in some way , 17:07.806 --> 17:10.028 shape or form trying to impart on other 17:10.028 --> 17:12.960 people . Because I guess I don't , 17:14.140 --> 17:16.460 it's for lack of better terms . I see 17:16.460 --> 17:18.460 this uniform on people , I see this 17:18.460 --> 17:22.260 flag on and we're all one family and 17:22.260 --> 17:24.260 that's how I've always looked at it 17:24.260 --> 17:26.700 because my father , so that's just 17:26.700 --> 17:28.867 something that thing grain to me and I 17:28.867 --> 17:31.089 try and keep that same mentality when I 17:31.089 --> 17:33.144 worked with everybody . That's right 17:33.144 --> 17:35.230 and hope that maybe a little bit of 17:35.230 --> 17:38.850 that would rub off people . Absolutely 17:38.860 --> 17:42.590 thank you . I think 17:42.590 --> 17:44.757 something to add to that and you bring 17:44.757 --> 17:46.812 up a really excellent point , but is 17:46.812 --> 17:48.923 that hate doesn't exist in a vacuum ? 17:48.923 --> 17:51.090 Social media is designed to show users 17:51.090 --> 17:53.312 what they want to see , not necessarily 17:53.312 --> 17:55.770 what they need to see . Um , so in that , 17:56.140 --> 17:58.418 you know , guiding light , so to speak , 17:58.418 --> 18:00.640 I think what's really important is that 18:00.640 --> 18:02.696 when we were in this uniform , we're 18:02.696 --> 18:04.584 building trust in our communities 18:04.584 --> 18:06.640 outside as well as in the military . 18:06.640 --> 18:08.807 And so people look at us when they see 18:08.807 --> 18:10.973 us , they stopped consistency with our 18:10.973 --> 18:13.370 core values . And so we're praying away 18:13.370 --> 18:15.592 from that . It becomes difficult for us 18:15.592 --> 18:17.703 to carry out our mission . It becomes 18:17.703 --> 18:19.759 difficult for us to take care of our 18:19.759 --> 18:21.926 people and it becomes difficult for us 18:21.926 --> 18:24.203 to effectively grow and be better . Um , 18:24.203 --> 18:24.040 so I think that's something really 18:24.040 --> 18:26.096 important to be cognizant of is when 18:26.096 --> 18:27.818 we're having these discussions 18:27.818 --> 18:29.984 recognizing that anybody can be a part 18:29.984 --> 18:32.151 of it . Um , and it doesn't exist with 18:32.151 --> 18:34.207 justice all set because we're all on 18:34.207 --> 18:34.070 social media and we're all influenced 18:34.070 --> 18:35.848 by the things we see on Earth . 18:39.640 --> 18:41.696 Yes , sir . Thank you . Oh , I would 18:41.696 --> 18:43.473 just encourage members and even 18:43.473 --> 18:45.920 challenge some airmen by basically 18:45.920 --> 18:49.890 saying if you find if you find yourself 18:49.900 --> 18:53.310 in an echo chamber , um , if you find 18:53.310 --> 18:55.532 yourself with some of these ideals just 18:55.532 --> 18:57.754 repeating , it doesn't matter what side 18:57.754 --> 18:59.866 of the spectrum could be on , I would 18:59.866 --> 19:02.680 challenge anyone to seek out other 19:02.680 --> 19:05.610 perspectives and seek out other sides 19:05.610 --> 19:07.610 of the story so that you're getting 19:07.610 --> 19:10.850 some sort of balance because my 19:10.850 --> 19:13.890 grandfather and other influence from my 19:13.890 --> 19:17.530 family and everything right , So and 19:17.530 --> 19:19.860 even moderation , The Gates action . So 19:20.440 --> 19:23.560 uh in moderation in moderation . But 19:24.940 --> 19:28.090 but I know that tool has always helped 19:28.100 --> 19:31.310 me because having some family 19:31.310 --> 19:34.950 members that are very passionate about 19:34.950 --> 19:37.720 what they believe in . Sometimes it's 19:37.730 --> 19:39.940 good to at least seek out other 19:39.940 --> 19:42.162 perspectives and other views because of 19:42.162 --> 19:43.960 how I was raised versus however 19:44.940 --> 19:47.570 thank you . 19:47.580 --> 19:51.370 I 19:51.380 --> 19:53.540 would pile on to that and say that we 19:53.540 --> 19:55.540 and the Department of Defense don't 19:55.540 --> 19:57.680 have the luxury of pulling on those 19:57.690 --> 19:59.746 hate strings . I'll give you a quick 19:59.746 --> 20:01.912 vignette when I , when I give tours of 20:01.912 --> 20:03.960 the two youngest family members , 20:04.340 --> 20:06.451 colleagues that come through . One of 20:06.451 --> 20:08.562 the things I always mention is if you 20:08.562 --> 20:10.562 look at the pentagon , you want the 20:10.562 --> 20:10.470 four quarters of the pentagon . We have 20:10.470 --> 20:13.160 an inordinate amount of bathrooms , um , 20:13.170 --> 20:16.610 ventures and uh , restrooms . Uh , why 20:16.610 --> 20:18.832 is that ? Because when the building was 20:18.832 --> 20:20.999 originally built , the law of the land 20:20.999 --> 20:23.110 in northern Virginia was that you had 20:23.110 --> 20:25.054 to have a white only and call it a 20:25.054 --> 20:27.110 bathroom . When the president toured 20:27.110 --> 20:29.221 the building before we did the ribbon 20:29.221 --> 20:31.443 cutting , Wait a second . No , we are . 20:31.443 --> 20:33.499 This is a federal building . This is 20:33.499 --> 20:35.443 not a state building , thereby not 20:35.443 --> 20:37.554 allowed to do that . So we have , the 20:37.554 --> 20:39.777 military have generally speaking on the 20:39.777 --> 20:41.777 Department of Defense has generally 20:41.777 --> 20:43.888 been at the forefront of a lot of the 20:43.888 --> 20:43.730 civil rights actions that you , that 20:43.730 --> 20:46.340 you see that the rest of society has a 20:46.340 --> 20:48.562 little bit harder time to adopt because 20:48.562 --> 20:50.710 again , we don't have the luxury of 20:50.720 --> 20:52.910 deciding for ourselves whether we want 20:52.910 --> 20:54.799 to hit that other group that it's 20:54.799 --> 20:56.890 simply not a decision capitalist . I 20:56.890 --> 20:59.112 think that speaks with your grandfather 20:59.112 --> 21:01.334 and your father taught you in Vietnam . 21:01.334 --> 21:03.557 We simply don't have that luxury . Uh , 21:03.557 --> 21:05.668 other folks have that luxury to say , 21:05.668 --> 21:07.890 hey , this is what I would like to do . 21:07.890 --> 21:09.834 We don't , we're not afforded that 21:09.834 --> 21:11.946 luxury and therefore the pentagon now 21:11.946 --> 21:14.168 has extra bathrooms because we were not 21:14.168 --> 21:16.310 allowed to day one allowed to have 21:16.320 --> 21:18.542 separate bathrooms . And that speaks to 21:18.542 --> 21:20.653 what we are as a department defense , 21:20.653 --> 21:22.598 that speaks to what we've done for 21:22.598 --> 21:25.140 extremism and leading society . And 21:25.140 --> 21:28.330 that's where we should be at all times 21:28.330 --> 21:30.663 is at the core funding . Yeah . Society , 21:31.040 --> 21:33.610 a female second lieutenant . And when 21:33.610 --> 21:35.832 the second lieutenant does not get paid 21:35.832 --> 21:37.777 differently than their male second 21:37.777 --> 21:39.777 lieutenant in the United States Air 21:39.777 --> 21:42.650 Force or any of our armed services , 21:42.660 --> 21:44.800 right . Um , that should give our 21:44.800 --> 21:47.840 civilian counterparts pause to what the 21:47.840 --> 21:50.280 gender pay inequality gap means to them . 21:50.290 --> 21:52.180 Um , we again , we don't have the 21:52.180 --> 21:54.990 luxury of deciding for ourselves what's 21:55.000 --> 21:57.710 good for us . Well , we'd like to see 21:57.710 --> 22:00.630 this thing consequently , again , as I 22:00.630 --> 22:02.797 mentioned , we have at the forefront a 22:02.797 --> 22:05.450 lot of that civil rights movements , uh , 22:05.460 --> 22:07.820 Civil Rights Movement for Justice 22:07.820 --> 22:09.709 Society and I don't think this is 22:09.709 --> 22:11.876 anything different . We should we have 22:11.876 --> 22:15.060 an opportunity to leave once again , uh 22:15.540 --> 22:17.429 members of the society we have an 22:17.429 --> 22:20.250 opportunity to tell to not repost 22:20.260 --> 22:22.640 retweet those things that we think have 22:22.640 --> 22:26.390 no value at it and meaningful game for 22:26.400 --> 22:28.178 for our community . We have the 22:28.178 --> 22:30.233 opportunity to pull people aside and 22:30.233 --> 22:32.620 say , hey , I don't think this 22:32.630 --> 22:35.810 conspiracy is necessary . The 22:35.810 --> 22:37.866 healthiest for us as general borgens 22:37.866 --> 22:40.330 contended in his personal life as well . 22:40.340 --> 22:43.620 So again , um you know what you spoke 22:43.630 --> 22:45.690 and the goodness that we heard is 22:45.690 --> 22:47.912 exactly what the department defense has 22:47.912 --> 22:50.420 been has always been and I think you 22:50.420 --> 22:52.960 know , will be going into future . 22:55.340 --> 22:58.410 Mhm . Okay . To wrap up a few key 22:58.410 --> 23:01.090 messages and leave , get off the stage 23:01.090 --> 23:03.460 with again from the my very first 23:03.460 --> 23:05.860 commander stall about lines and things . 23:06.240 --> 23:08.680 Number one is discrimination . We have 23:08.680 --> 23:12.040 the space chief and I have a zero 23:12.040 --> 23:14.230 tolerance policy for discrimination 23:14.740 --> 23:17.590 period . Uh to that end uh 23:17.600 --> 23:19.544 discrimination of any kind for any 23:19.544 --> 23:21.600 reason builds against the department 23:21.600 --> 23:23.767 Air forces core values and will not be 23:23.767 --> 23:25.822 tolerated with within our ranks . Is 23:25.822 --> 23:27.544 not tolerated in our flights , 23:27.544 --> 23:29.378 correspondence in our groups and 23:29.378 --> 23:31.710 certainly not . No , it's not calling 23:32.440 --> 23:34.960 number of course . And I can guarantee 23:34.960 --> 23:37.970 you it is not tolerated channels . We 23:37.970 --> 23:40.081 have a leader , not that we have this 23:40.081 --> 23:41.920 that would allow . But we are 23:41.930 --> 23:44.090 leadership in place today that have 23:44.090 --> 23:46.340 internalized this diversity and 23:46.340 --> 23:49.580 inclusion message and live it . Um if 23:49.580 --> 23:51.691 you have not heard Jessica to speak , 23:51.691 --> 23:53.802 If you have not heard john speak , if 23:53.802 --> 23:55.747 you have not heard from our senior 23:55.747 --> 23:57.858 leaders . Chief Malcolm Chief White , 23:57.858 --> 23:59.747 you have not heard them speak . I 23:59.747 --> 24:01.802 implore you to research because they 24:01.802 --> 24:03.913 lived those values . Um and we should 24:03.913 --> 24:06.080 be locked up and we are locked up with 24:06.080 --> 24:08.490 them . Our policy is expressly prohibit 24:08.500 --> 24:10.970 advocating supremacists , extremists or 24:10.970 --> 24:13.081 criminal gang doctrine , ideology and 24:13.081 --> 24:15.137 causes . Service members must reject 24:15.137 --> 24:17.303 participation in such activities . And 24:17.303 --> 24:19.526 commanders have the authority to employ 24:19.526 --> 24:21.803 the full range of disciplinary actions , 24:21.803 --> 24:23.970 including administrative separation or 24:23.970 --> 24:25.970 or appropriate criminal prosecution 24:25.970 --> 24:28.081 against military personnel who engage 24:28.081 --> 24:30.137 in such activity . We must create an 24:30.137 --> 24:32.248 environment where all can reach their 24:32.248 --> 24:34.026 full potential . Any group that 24:34.026 --> 24:36.081 advocates hate or exclusion detracts 24:36.081 --> 24:38.180 from that goal . It's our job as 24:38.180 --> 24:40.180 leaders to lay out our standards of 24:40.180 --> 24:41.958 core and core values , but it's 24:41.958 --> 24:43.958 everyone's responsibility to embody 24:43.958 --> 24:46.450 them . Any questions for me , your 24:46.450 --> 24:49.510 chief . That's fine . Thank you so much 24:49.510 --> 24:51.732 for participating . This is this , this 24:51.732 --> 24:53.770 is a sensitive topic . These are 24:53.780 --> 24:55.613 uncomfortable issues . These are 24:55.613 --> 24:58.040 uncomfortable things to talk about . So 24:58.040 --> 25:00.207 I thank you for your participation and 25:00.207 --> 25:02.151 listening . Uh , you know , if you 25:02.151 --> 25:04.262 didn't say anything , just being here 25:04.262 --> 25:06.040 with your name on the record is 25:06.040 --> 25:08.040 meaningful and I will tell you that 25:08.040 --> 25:09.818 zebra having , you know , final 25:09.818 --> 25:12.790 comments open up before anyway , say 25:12.790 --> 25:15.012 one last thing to kind of going back to 25:15.012 --> 25:17.068 how we , you know , recognizing that 25:17.068 --> 25:19.290 you didn't even have that individual in 25:19.290 --> 25:21.800 the unit and you didn't know you can 25:21.800 --> 25:24.022 see it right until you got in trouble . 25:24.040 --> 25:25.984 Um , it's part of being leaders is 25:25.984 --> 25:28.040 knowing our people , right ? I'm not 25:28.040 --> 25:29.984 saying that you didn't know him or 25:29.984 --> 25:32.096 anything like that , but I think it's 25:32.096 --> 25:34.318 just important . It's just , you know , 25:34.318 --> 25:36.373 these people know their family , you 25:36.373 --> 25:35.980 know , your members . And I think that 25:35.980 --> 25:38.202 will go a long way to you . We'll still 25:38.202 --> 25:40.313 miss somebody . But I mean if you get 25:40.313 --> 25:42.480 to know them , you get to know him and 25:42.480 --> 25:44.591 maybe we can stop something before it 25:44.591 --> 25:47.580 happens . Okay ? Absolutely . With that , 25:47.590 --> 25:49.050 thank you all appreciate it .