WEBVTT 00:00.310 --> 00:01.750 - What's going on you guys, I'm Rodriguez 00:01.750 --> 00:02.583 from the Hickam chaplains. 00:02.583 --> 00:05.070 Today we're doing a chaplain's coffee talk. 00:05.070 --> 00:06.160 We don't have coffee with us, 00:06.160 --> 00:08.080 but that's what we're doing today. 00:08.080 --> 00:09.880 If you could just do quick intros 00:09.880 --> 00:11.360 and then we'll start with the video. 00:11.360 --> 00:14.174 - I'm a Chaplain Kevin Pugh, excited to be here. 00:14.174 --> 00:16.613 - I'm Chaplain Hank Hahm, me too. 00:17.907 --> 00:20.250 - (laughs) And today we're doing the, what is it called? 00:20.250 --> 00:21.083 Focus talk? 00:21.083 --> 00:21.916 - Yes - Yeah. 00:21.916 --> 00:24.018 - Focus talk. So for focus day, or is it focus- 00:24.018 --> 00:25.025 - Focus day. - For Focus Day. 00:25.025 --> 00:26.370 So we're doing it today. 00:26.370 --> 00:28.680 So we got a few questions from Airmen, 00:28.680 --> 00:30.410 so the questions are going to be hard hitting. 00:30.410 --> 00:32.360 So I hope the chaplains and myself can handle 00:32.360 --> 00:34.710 these questions to give you the most content 00:34.710 --> 00:37.220 so you can use it for your spirituality. 00:37.220 --> 00:38.447 So, first question is, 00:38.447 --> 00:41.560 "what does spirituality look like to you daily? 00:41.560 --> 00:44.810 And what part does it play in your life?" I'll go first. 00:44.810 --> 00:47.828 So for me, it's more about a physical aspect 00:47.828 --> 00:48.661 at the same time. 00:48.661 --> 00:51.300 So in the morning I go to garage, I work out, 00:51.300 --> 00:53.110 I think about people who have passed, 00:53.110 --> 00:55.610 I think about friends, I think about a little bit at work, 00:55.610 --> 00:57.010 you know, just a tiny bit, you know. 00:57.010 --> 00:59.700 And then I get cleared and that's for me, 00:59.700 --> 01:03.290 the spiritual part. Also, I pray as I'm doing all of this. 01:03.290 --> 01:05.440 I don't pray, like sit down like this and pray 01:05.440 --> 01:08.520 or go on my knees. I just pray as in while I'm in motion. 01:08.520 --> 01:10.180 How about you? 01:10.180 --> 01:14.840 - Yeah. For me, spirituality, it centers around 01:14.840 --> 01:17.126 my relationship with God, you know. 01:17.126 --> 01:20.250 I'm a Protestant chaplain, and I believe in the God 01:20.250 --> 01:24.170 of the Protestant Bible and it always involves two things 01:24.170 --> 01:26.790 for me, prayer and the Word. 01:26.790 --> 01:30.020 Prayer is the primary way I talk to him and I feel like 01:30.020 --> 01:32.530 the Word is the primary way that he talks to me. 01:32.530 --> 01:36.790 And so, that's how I use my spirituality daily. 01:36.790 --> 01:40.540 There's also a quote by Socrates that I think about a lot. 01:40.540 --> 01:43.460 It says, "The unexamined life is not worth living." 01:43.460 --> 01:46.630 And so I always try to make time during the day, 01:46.630 --> 01:50.111 no matter how busy I get, to focus on my spirituality. 01:50.111 --> 01:53.663 And then one last quote, Martin Luther said, 01:54.697 --> 01:56.290 "When someone asks him because he spent 01:56.290 --> 01:57.910 three hours a day in the morning, 01:57.910 --> 01:59.937 he'd get up at 4:00 in the morning, every day. 01:59.937 --> 02:04.050 And the guy's kind of crazy and he he'd spend time 02:04.050 --> 02:06.210 meditating, and you know, working on to spirituality, 02:06.210 --> 02:09.570 and people were like, "Martin Luther, you are so busy, 02:09.570 --> 02:11.640 how could you spend three hours a day doing this?" 02:11.640 --> 02:14.901 And his response was, "Because I am so busy, I can't, 02:14.901 --> 02:17.700 but spend three hours a day to do this." 02:17.700 --> 02:20.910 So he saw the priority that the importance of caring 02:20.910 --> 02:23.320 for spirituality everyday. So I feel the same way. 02:23.320 --> 02:26.420 I don't do three hours, well at 15 minutes, but... 02:28.470 --> 02:32.430 - For me, spirituality, kinda like Chap. Hamh, 02:32.430 --> 02:35.910 is a Christian Chaplain Protestant. 02:35.910 --> 02:39.529 So for me, it centers everything that I do. 02:39.529 --> 02:42.814 But for me on a daily basis, what that tangibly looks like, 02:42.814 --> 02:46.270 I get up, I love music. I do. I love music. 02:46.270 --> 02:50.431 So when I get up, first thing I do, I turn over the pandora. 02:50.431 --> 02:54.070 And I put Pandora on, and I'm playing my worship music. 02:54.070 --> 02:55.650 And that just really gets me going. 02:55.650 --> 02:58.670 It fills me, kind of ignites my day, starts me. 02:58.670 --> 03:01.410 You know what I'm saying, music comes with a certain peace. 03:01.410 --> 03:06.410 That really sets me up, it sets me up to where it levels me. 03:07.994 --> 03:10.430 So that throughout my morning routine, 03:10.430 --> 03:13.340 brushing my teeth, shaving all of that, you know, 03:13.340 --> 03:15.420 I'm getting my mind right and I'm just... 03:15.420 --> 03:16.890 As you said, I'm thinking. 03:16.890 --> 03:18.950 And even I'm meditating and praying 03:18.950 --> 03:20.160 while I'm doing all this. 03:20.160 --> 03:22.350 I may not sit down and fall to my knees 03:22.350 --> 03:24.780 and praying that way, but I'm doing it in my mind 03:24.780 --> 03:27.320 and rehearsing in my mind, what do I have to do today? 03:27.320 --> 03:28.450 What do I have to accomplish? 03:28.450 --> 03:30.920 And I'm asking God to be with me and lea me. 03:30.920 --> 03:33.980 So for me, that's what it tangibly looks like, 03:33.980 --> 03:37.700 that I'm practically doing something that gets me going 03:37.700 --> 03:39.400 throughout the start of my day. 03:39.400 --> 03:41.220 - That's as good, and also add on to that, 03:41.220 --> 03:44.033 do you feel like during that time, you're most creative? 03:46.700 --> 03:49.180 Cause to me, I feel like during those bits of time, 03:49.180 --> 03:50.650 the spirituality, the morning day, 03:50.650 --> 03:52.119 I feel like I'm more creative at that moment 03:52.119 --> 03:54.357 for the five minutes in a weird way. 03:54.357 --> 03:57.380 I don't know if that is the same thing with you? 03:57.380 --> 03:58.330 I don't know. 03:58.330 --> 03:59.461 - Well, definitely it is. 03:59.461 --> 04:01.730 I mean, it's the first conversation I'm having 04:01.730 --> 04:05.130 in the morning, so it is getting my, you know, 04:05.130 --> 04:08.844 thoughts and you know things ready for the day. 04:08.844 --> 04:11.080 So there definitely is something going on, you're right. 04:11.080 --> 04:13.340 I never thought about it that way, now that you say it, 04:13.340 --> 04:15.710 yeah, there's a lot of creativity during that moment. 04:15.710 --> 04:17.830 - That's true, like, you know, especially for me, 04:17.830 --> 04:21.610 it's kinda weird, so I see the times of course, 04:21.610 --> 04:25.450 pre COVID when I would go to the gym and after working out, 04:25.450 --> 04:28.820 I'm sitting in a sauna and I'm sweating hot, 04:28.820 --> 04:32.440 but my mind is thinking and it really is beginning 04:32.440 --> 04:35.290 to be creative, okay. This is what I need to do today. 04:35.290 --> 04:37.070 And this is how that's going to look. 04:37.070 --> 04:40.250 Okay, I know that I'm tasked with planning this 04:40.250 --> 04:42.560 or planning that, how can I do that? 04:42.560 --> 04:46.150 Because those are moments when it's just me, God, 04:46.150 --> 04:50.490 and sweating and there's sauna and just really, 04:50.490 --> 04:51.323 really being creative. 04:51.323 --> 04:54.720 Now, post COVID, in the midst of COVID, 04:54.720 --> 04:57.340 I had to be a little more creative with how I do that. 04:57.340 --> 05:01.205 And so now that might look like I'm doing that in the shower 05:01.205 --> 05:04.050 while I'm home, and just clearing my mind 05:04.050 --> 05:06.190 with the steam coming on me, just clearing my mind. 05:06.190 --> 05:10.050 And then I kind of see the steam as like it coming out 05:10.050 --> 05:13.250 of me, anything that's negative and just allowing God 05:13.250 --> 05:15.740 and thoughts, positive thoughts to just flow 05:15.740 --> 05:17.250 through me into creativity. 05:17.250 --> 05:20.460 So you're right. I see that creative piece I that. 05:20.460 --> 05:22.730 - That's awesome. It helps me a lot. 05:22.730 --> 05:24.010 Let's move to the next question. 05:24.010 --> 05:27.309 Next question is, "If my faith is a part of my spirituality, 05:27.309 --> 05:30.110 how can I practice it while at work?" 05:30.110 --> 05:32.591 You're a chaplain, I'll let you go first. 05:32.591 --> 05:36.077 (laughs) That's how you care for the army. 05:36.077 --> 05:37.820 How do we do that? 05:37.820 --> 05:41.163 - Okay. If my faith is a part of my spirituality. 05:41.163 --> 05:45.900 This is a very delicate dance that we do, of course, 05:45.900 --> 05:50.710 because we don't want to impose our faith on someone else, 05:50.710 --> 05:53.400 but at the same time, the same way that you have 05:53.400 --> 05:56.470 a first amendment right to practice your faith, 05:56.470 --> 05:59.010 everyone else does, even if someone doesn't believe. 05:59.010 --> 06:03.210 So I'm not imposing what I believe on you, 06:03.210 --> 06:06.293 but this is my faith and the delicate dance there is, 06:06.293 --> 06:10.370 is what I'm doing an imposition on you? 06:10.370 --> 06:15.370 And is what I'm doing, causing some disturbance with you 06:16.260 --> 06:20.113 and your ability to do your job? IE, an example is, 06:22.120 --> 06:25.060 I'm a Christian believer, so for me to have a Bible 06:25.060 --> 06:28.270 on my desk, that is not an imposition 06:28.270 --> 06:30.810 of someone else in their faith. 06:30.810 --> 06:33.040 You know, this is my desk, this is my work area, 06:33.040 --> 06:34.000 my workspace. 06:34.000 --> 06:38.037 The same way if I had just a book, my favorite book, 06:38.037 --> 06:39.520 "Overcoming the Dark Side of Leadership" 06:39.520 --> 06:41.230 sitting on my desk. 06:41.230 --> 06:44.810 That's a book that I have, I so choose to have a Bible 06:44.810 --> 06:47.300 on my desk because that's what guides me through. 06:47.300 --> 06:50.160 In the same way that I'm not going to be offended 06:50.160 --> 06:53.170 by what someone else has on their desk, 06:53.170 --> 06:57.620 then others shouldn't be offended by me expressing my faith 06:57.620 --> 07:00.960 in the workspace, not verbally or vocally, 07:00.960 --> 07:04.820 but here with the material or a book. 07:04.820 --> 07:07.410 - Now, alongside practicing the faith 07:07.410 --> 07:12.180 and them playing that dance, can you speak about real quick, 07:12.180 --> 07:14.800 the mission, cause we have to do the mission 07:14.800 --> 07:16.790 as someone practicing their faith. 07:16.790 --> 07:18.400 And how does that dance, that we talked about, 07:18.400 --> 07:19.730 how does that work? 07:19.730 --> 07:20.770 - Well, that's a great question. 07:20.770 --> 07:25.700 I think it's, you have that free exercise of religion, 07:25.700 --> 07:28.760 but never at the expense of offending, 07:28.760 --> 07:32.550 never at the expense of causing, you know, 07:32.550 --> 07:36.424 a disruption in good order and discipline. 07:36.424 --> 07:41.400 You know, as long as you can do it with respect 07:41.400 --> 07:42.910 to others around you. 07:42.910 --> 07:46.220 And I can't think of one major faith and even minor faith 07:46.220 --> 07:48.520 group out there that I've studied where it says, 07:48.520 --> 07:50.040 you have to be offensive. 07:50.040 --> 07:53.030 Like you have to be obnoxious, you have to do this 07:53.030 --> 07:54.620 at the expense of someone else. 07:54.620 --> 07:57.440 - But let's say someone wants to do a Bible study. 07:57.440 --> 08:00.980 They want to attend Bible study during their work hours. 08:00.980 --> 08:04.930 You know, we can walk them through that process. 08:04.930 --> 08:07.678 Commander, first start getting those numbers go in 08:07.678 --> 08:10.100 and see if Airmen dictates. 08:10.100 --> 08:12.880 If it's possible, so you can do that during the work hours. 08:12.880 --> 08:14.520 And I feel like a lot of Airmen don't even... 08:14.520 --> 08:15.570 They don't bring up the question 08:15.570 --> 08:16.917 because they don't know nobody. 08:16.917 --> 08:17.750 - Right. - They don't know. 08:17.750 --> 08:19.069 - And I think that's the thing a lot of people 08:19.069 --> 08:19.902 are not aware of. 08:19.902 --> 08:21.675 But something interesting Sir that you said, 08:21.675 --> 08:23.253 that I'd love to hit on with that is, 08:23.253 --> 08:27.537 you used word offense, and what may be offensive to one, 08:27.537 --> 08:29.420 may not be offensive to another. 08:29.420 --> 08:30.674 It's true. 08:30.674 --> 08:33.100 So therefore, we gotta be the very, very careful with that 08:33.100 --> 08:36.930 because even the example I gave of me having my Bible 08:36.930 --> 08:39.980 on my desk, if you walk by and you're offended by that, 08:39.980 --> 08:42.870 I'm sorry, I can't control you being offended 08:42.870 --> 08:46.155 because I have my Bible on my desk. 08:46.155 --> 08:48.840 I'm not intentionally trying to offend you, 08:48.840 --> 08:50.810 I'm not trying to proselytize you. 08:50.810 --> 08:52.540 That just simply means convert you, 08:52.540 --> 08:54.120 I'm not trying to convert you. 08:54.120 --> 08:57.150 This is this me with my spiritual fitness. 08:57.150 --> 08:59.630 If this is something I'm reading during my break, 08:59.630 --> 09:02.560 during my lunch, I have a right to do that 09:02.560 --> 09:03.780 and that's not offensive. 09:03.780 --> 09:06.627 So we have to be careful with how we say, 09:06.627 --> 09:10.060 "Well, you know, this person offended me by doing this." 09:10.060 --> 09:13.190 Or if I'm at my desk and I'm getting lunch and I decide, 09:13.190 --> 09:16.400 I wanna pray, and if someone is offended by me praying, 09:16.400 --> 09:18.660 then I'm sorry, that that's something 09:18.660 --> 09:20.700 that they really have to wrestle with 09:20.700 --> 09:22.910 and deal with internally within themselves. 09:22.910 --> 09:25.980 Because that in and of itself is not an offense 09:25.980 --> 09:29.070 and now you're causing that other person and stifling them 09:29.070 --> 09:30.970 and they can exercise their own freedom of religion. 09:30.970 --> 09:32.779 - I totally agree with you. 09:32.779 --> 09:35.679 If you were in a space where you couldn't avoid, 09:35.679 --> 09:38.650 let's say you and I we were tethered and the whole time 09:38.650 --> 09:40.350 you're singing praise songs, and I can't, 09:40.350 --> 09:41.940 but listen to you, that'd be one thing. 09:41.940 --> 09:44.580 But if you've got a Bible on your desk and it offends me, 09:44.580 --> 09:47.120 you know, I don't need to look at it. 09:47.120 --> 09:50.400 I could avoid it, you know, if I need to talk to you, 09:50.400 --> 09:52.890 ask you to come to my desk, you know, whatever it is, 09:52.890 --> 09:55.810 in that way, I think we have to make room 09:55.810 --> 09:59.314 for other people to exercise their religion. 09:59.314 --> 10:01.800 You know, I mean the Kansas City Chiefs offend me. 10:01.800 --> 10:06.800 And if you kind of chiefs, you know, poster on your desk, 10:07.384 --> 10:10.590 I'm going to look at it and, you know, 10:10.590 --> 10:12.900 pray against, you know, Pat my homes. 10:12.900 --> 10:15.820 But I mean, I'm all kidding aside, 10:15.820 --> 10:20.010 I think we have to learn to respect- 10:20.010 --> 10:20.843 - Absolutely. 10:20.843 --> 10:23.770 - And we have to learn to like tolerate to the point 10:23.770 --> 10:25.181 of getting... 10:25.181 --> 10:27.079 There may be certain things... 10:27.079 --> 10:29.577 If people are unintentionally trying to do, 10:29.577 --> 10:32.175 you know, if they've unintentionally offended you. 10:32.175 --> 10:34.167 have that conversation with them. 10:34.167 --> 10:36.370 You can take them aside and be like, "Hey, you know, 10:36.370 --> 10:39.710 your praise music's a little too loud, 10:39.710 --> 10:41.220 could you turn it down a little bit?" 10:41.220 --> 10:43.830 Or, You know, "Hey, you know, that symbol you have 10:43.830 --> 10:47.830 on your desk, actually it scares me, or whatever it may be, 10:47.830 --> 10:50.530 it causes trauma, is there any way you could put it 10:50.530 --> 10:52.323 somewhere where it's maybe slightly less with?" 10:52.323 --> 10:54.110 Have that conversation, get to know the person, 10:54.110 --> 10:55.560 ask questions about their faith, 10:55.560 --> 10:57.580 and I think that's what it's all about, 10:57.580 --> 10:58.830 is learning to live with. 10:58.830 --> 11:00.620 - And I honestly think it will do a phenomenal job. 11:00.620 --> 11:03.690 Big A, I think, cause we haven't had I mean, complaints, 11:03.690 --> 11:06.245 we haven't had no big disputes about that. 11:06.245 --> 11:07.970 So I think big A Airmen, are doing a phenomenal job 11:07.970 --> 11:08.837 with that. 11:08.837 --> 11:10.530 And that takes it to the next question, 11:10.530 --> 11:13.563 which is question number three. 11:15.390 --> 11:18.650 And before I say the question, 11:18.650 --> 11:21.380 I just want a statistic from both of you real quick. 11:21.380 --> 11:24.590 How often are, or what's the percentage of the counseling 11:24.590 --> 11:27.463 that you're doing that are religious-based? 11:29.029 --> 11:31.770 - Mine is a very, very, very small percentage. 11:31.770 --> 11:33.805 - Okay, if you would just... 11:33.805 --> 11:35.336 - I would probably say, 5%. 11:35.336 --> 11:36.300 - 5%, what's yours? 11:36.300 --> 11:37.328 - And I'd say the same thing. 11:37.328 --> 11:38.161 - 5%. 11:38.161 --> 11:40.020 - But throughout my whole career, about 5%. 11:40.020 --> 11:43.060 - But did you know that Airman Big A, most of us, 11:43.060 --> 11:45.050 think that when it comes to chaplains, 11:45.050 --> 11:47.280 it's like 100% religious counseling? 11:47.280 --> 11:49.690 They don't know that it's 95% of it, 11:49.690 --> 11:51.290 has nothing to do with religion. 11:51.290 --> 11:53.040 None of them know that, we're not none of them. 11:53.040 --> 11:55.400 I mean, some of them do, but majority of times, 11:55.400 --> 11:57.310 we don't say it enough for them to know that. 11:57.310 --> 11:59.130 And I'm gonna say question number three 11:59.130 --> 12:00.520 and it leads into this...