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- Hey, good afternoon everybody.

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Thanks for coming to our press briefing

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on the army support to
vaccine development.

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My name is Colonel Kathy Turner.

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I'm the Director of the Army
Media Relations Division,

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and I will moderate today's session.

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The following senior leaders
are on today's panel.

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We have Brigadier General Mike Talley,

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Commanding General of
U.S. Army Medical Research

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and Development Command in Fort Detrick.

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We have Colonel Wendy Sammons-Jackson,

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Director of Military Infectious
Disease Research Program,

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U.S. Army Medical Research
and Development Command.

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We have Dr. Nelson Michael, Director of

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the Center for Infectious
Disease Research,

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Walter Reed Army Institute of Research,

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and we have Dr. Kayvon
Modjarrad, Director of Emerging

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Infectious Diseases, Walter
Reed Army Institute of Research.

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Today's discussion is on the record.

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After Brigadier General
Talley's opening remarks,

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I ask that you limit
yourself to one question

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and one follow-up until we
have gotten around the room,

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and then we'll continue to field questions

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until we are out of time.

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We have about 30 minutes today,

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and with that I'll turn
it over to you sir.

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- Hey, good afternoon, and thank you

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for participating in today's briefing.

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Our hearts go out to
those that are affected

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or know someone who's
affected by this disease.

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You know, emerging infectious diseases

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like this Coronavirus that
we're facing now, or COVID-19,

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are why a global network of
military infectious disease

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surveillance laboratories
exist around the world.

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Military Medical Research
is a force multiplier

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designed to support the
service member and the public,

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in every conceivable circumstance,

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through both emerging science
and technological advances.

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The United States Army Medical Research

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and Development Command
is on the forefront

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of delivering medical capabilities faster,

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and more efficiently than ever before.

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We are supporting a whole
of government approach

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to detect, prevent, and treat COVID-19,

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and when it comes to
infectious disease threats,

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we have extensive capabilities
and an international

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research infrastructure already in place

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that allows our scientists to anticipate

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and develop countermeasures against

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emerging infectious diseases.

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COVID-19 is the infection
caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus,

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and this is familiar
territory for our team.

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Our labs have previously
studied SARS and MERS,

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both of which are coronaviruses.

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They're in that same family.

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Our researchers and scientists

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at the Walter Reed Army
Institute of Research

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conducted the first
in-human phase one trials

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of the MERS vaccine.

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That's the only MERS countermeasure,

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and only the third Coronavirus vaccine

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ever tested in humans.

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We're building upon the
science for COVID-19 solutions,

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as we speak right now.

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Just this week, we were
able to develop new versions

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of COVID-19 candidate, one
of the first candidates

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that we tried, and we
initiated research to determine

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if there is a response to the vaccine.

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Again, this is just one
piece of the solution.

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There's other vaccine
candidates being developed

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by other organizations, but we're all

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working toward a solution,
and we want to get it done

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as quickly as possible,
and we're doing this

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in a whole of government fashion,

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and certainly a whole of DOD fashion.

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In addition to vaccine prevention,

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we are also exploring treatments.

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Efforts are ongoing right now to identify

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new drug candidates to respond
to the COVID-19 infection.

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A Cooperative Research
and Development Agreement

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with an industry partner
is under review for the DOD

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to gain access to an anti-viral drug

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for treatment use in our medical centers,

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our military treatment facilities.

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So together with our United
States government partners,

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we are progressing at very fast rates,

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revolutionary rates
almost, constant effort,

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and this is in order to
deliver effective treatment

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and prevention products,

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products that'll protect
the citizens of the world,

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and preserve the readiness and lethality

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of our DOD's service members.

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I want to thank you in advance,

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but I'd also like to tell you a little bit

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about my teammates here.

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So, Colonel Dr. Wendy
Sammons-Jackson, is the Director

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for our Military Infectious
Disease portfolio.

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She dual hats as the Joint
Program Committee Director

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for the entire DOD.

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So, when you're looking at
the capabilities and capacity

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within the Medical Research
and Development Command,

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the demand signal is coming
from all over the Joint Forces.

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She's managed that portfolio
for the last two years,

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and when you talk about some of the

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most recent accomplishments
with MERS, with Zika,

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she has been involved
in all of those things.

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Dr. Nelson Michael, about
37 years of experience.

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Same thing, we talk about
some of our latest successes

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with MERS, both he and
Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad

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have been right at the forefront.

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And even with Zika, very proud to say

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that within nine months, this
is the team that that was able

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to start the first
in-human clinical trials.

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In just last December of '19,

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the Ebola Zaire version vaccine
was given full FDA approval.

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These two gentlemen
played a big part of that.

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Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad again,
having been the scientist

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behind a patented adjuvant
that's designed for

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this same family of diseases.

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It's an adjuvants that's
being used right now,

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being shared with our whole
of government partners.

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He just recently returned
from Switzerland.

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We were lucky enough to
be able to recruit him

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from the World Health Organization,

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and he's been back for about
a week from Switzerland.

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So when you look at
certainly the scientists

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that we recruit and train within the DOD,

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they are well integrated

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with some of the top
scientists in the country,

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and so we're very proud to
take part in this effort,

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and we look forward to your questions.

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- Okay, Lolita.

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- I'm Lolita Baldor, with
the Associated Press,

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for whoever this most applies.

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Just on the vaccine, can
you talk a little bit

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just more detail about the vaccine,

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your work that's being worked on,

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is it different than NIH's approach,

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and how soon are you to,
for like a phase one trial,

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and then I'll just
throw the follow-up out,

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just in case that's easier.

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The rapid diagnostic
that is being worked on,

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can you talk a little bit about that,

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and sort of where you are in
the rapid diagnostic tool,

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and how soon that might also
be available for for testing?

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- Let me just take the
first two questions quickly,

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and give you over to Dr. Modjarrad,

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who can talk about some more

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granular aspects of this vaccine.

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First thing I want you all to know,

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is that we have been around

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the Walter Reed Army Institute
of Research for 127 years.

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I mean, a lot of people like to ask,

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well, why is the army involved
in vaccine development?

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We've been doing this for an
extremely long period of time.

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Walter Reed obviously made his notoriety

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on figuring out countermeasures
to yellow fever,

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so we've been doing this for
extremely long times, one.

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Two, is that we work very closely

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in the Inter-Agency Space.

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My first right here in the army,

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recently retired, is Bob
Redfield, as the CDC Director.

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My second right here is
Debbie Birx, now obviously

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the Global AIDS Coordinator,
and running the covert response

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under the Vice President,
and Dr. Fauci is close enough

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to him, that he retired
me about 18 months ago.

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So we work very, very closely
in the Inter-Agency Space,

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and the vaccine, and I'll
let Dr. Modjarrad talk about,

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we work with Dr. Fauci's
team to find a space

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where we could find a vaccine candidate,

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that was scientifically not duplicative,

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but mutually supportive
of what others were doing,

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but also made sense, and
so we ended up moving on

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two different vaccine platforms

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in coordination with
Dr. Fauci and his team.

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Let me let Dr. Modjarrad
tell you a little bit more

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about that, and what are our
rough timelines could be.

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- Thanks for your question.

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So, from the first day that the sequences

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of the new virus were published,

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we were working on this vaccine,

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and we were doing so in coordination

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with our inter-agency partners at the NIH,

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specifically the Vaccine Research Center,

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where the President was visiting
just a couple of days ago.

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and which is the place that I came from,

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where I trained under Dr. John Mascola

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and Dr. Barney Graham there,

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and have been in constant communication,

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very much like we did
for the Zika vaccine,

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where the NIH and Walter Reed
Army Institute of Research

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had two complementary approaches

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towards a vaccine candidate for Zika.

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Here again, we're taking a platform

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that actually has been used
in clinical trials so far,

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for influenza, a different
respiratory virus,

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and focusing on a component of the virus

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that a lot of groups are working on,

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but with a unique platform, and a unique,

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what's called adjuvant,
which is a chemical

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that is used in combination
with vaccines, all the time

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to enhance their immune response.

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and that adjuvant is actually
patented by the army.

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So, we see this as a unique
and complementary approach

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that is non-duplicative,
that is being coordinated

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as part of the whole of
government in response.

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- I know you asked a question

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about the point of care testing.

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I think we have the world's leading expert

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in infectious disease diagnostics,

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that just happens to be in the army at the

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Walter Reed Army Institute
of Research, Dr. Sheila Peel.

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Sheila, like me, really
has been working on HIV

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almost her whole professional career,

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and there isn't a single HIV rapid test

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that's out in the market that hasn't

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at some level, passed through her hands.

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So, she's really our lead for
looking at the diagnostics,

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that are currently being used,
a test that would allow us

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to understand whether or
not someone's infected,

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or has been exposed, and I
can tell you that for now,

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most of those tests are based
on detecting the virus itself.

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So developing the kind of
test, like a pregnancy test

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that you might be familiar with,

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is requiring a different
kind of technology.

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Sheila is already having
those kinds of discussions.

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I think what you're gonna probably see

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is much more sophisticated,
and higher throughput tests,

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that initially will be done

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in more sophisticated laboratories,

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and then as time goes on, that technology

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will then roll out to establish platforms

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to allow these tests to be
used more at the point of care.

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- I mean, do you have a sense on when

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you'll have it ready to roll out?

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Do you have a sense of any timing on that?

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Do you have a sense on
whether this vaccine,

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when that would be, or have
you started testing in animals,

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or have you, the phase one trial.

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Do you have timing?

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- So, as far as the
diagnostics are concerned,

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there are large and very
competent commercial concerns

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that are looking literally
in the next month or two,

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to be able to convert the current assays

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that are really relatively
slow to execute,

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and can only do a small
number of samples at a time.

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So, being able to do these
on very robust machines

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that could execute up to
800 tests per eight hours,

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the standard work shift.

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So, those are the kinds of approaches

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that the industry has already done.

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I mean, we do HIV testing,

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we do almost a million HIV tests a year

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at our at our laboratory
up in Silver Spring,

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and we use those kinds of instruments.

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So they can be adapted for those

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kinds of other technologies.

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Let me let like Dr. Modjarrad talk about

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where we are in terms of stages

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of development preclinically,

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then into the clinic for a vaccine.

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- So if we think about vaccine development

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at different stages.

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The first stages, the
design and the discovery,

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to decide what is gonna be your candidate.

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We've completed that, and we have

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gone into small animals, mice.

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So, we're looking at what the response is

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to that vaccine in mice, and
then as far as a timeline

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to getting into humans,

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I wouldn't want to
speculate too much on that.

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I think the important
thing to consider also

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is that going beyond a phase one study,

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there's the second phase
which is oftentimes

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looking at a larger
population at the safety

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and the immune response,
but also then transitioning

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to see if it's effective in populations.

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What I think the field is trying to do,

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is position itself as a whole,

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so that if there's a second
wave during the next season

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in the winter, that those candidates

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have made it through phase one studies,

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to be ready to look at the effectiveness

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during the next season.

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- Okay, so let's go to Caitlin,

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then we'll come over to Tara, Caitlin.

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- It's a question/request.

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With describing like the vaccines,

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can you be a little bit more broken down

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in terms of language, about
what you're talking about,

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'cause you're talking
about candidates which,

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what does that mean?

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What does it mean for vaccine platforms?

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Just so that when people, so
that we can communicate best

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about what you're kind
of really talking about.

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- Yes, thank you.

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So, think of this as the virus, my fist.

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It's a sphere, right, and
it's got little spokes

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coming off of it.

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That makes it the corona
when you look at it

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on cross-section, it's
got that crown look to it.

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So, almost all the vaccine
candidates out there

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are focused on that little spoke,

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what we call the spike, the spike protein,

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and there are different parts of the spike

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that mediate the attachment of the virus,

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and the entry of the virus
into our cells, in our lungs.

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So, if you block that attachment,

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if you give a vaccine
that trains and educates

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your immune response, your immune system,

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to recognize that part of the virus,

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that attaches to your cells and blocks it,

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that's gonna be a good vaccine.

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So, that's why everybody's
focused on that.

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So, what's a candidate then?

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A candidate means that
you're looking at options.

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You got your different options,

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those are your different candidates,

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and you look in mice or other animals.

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Other people looking at
other animals as well,

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as our scientists are
doing within our command,

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to see which of those options
looks best in small animals,

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and then large animals
before you go into humans.

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As far as the platform.

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So, you have that little
piece of the virus

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that is gonna be the part

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that educates your immune response,

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but you need to deliver it
in something to the body.

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You need to get it expressed in your body,

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and there are different ways to do that.

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You can have it on a
nanoparticle, basically,

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it's something, another sphere

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that kinda looks like the virus.

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You can have it in DNA, which is part of

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the same kind of DNA, but
it goes into our body,

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and our cells express that.

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The Moderna vaccine that
you've probably heard about,

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in collaboration with NIH, it's mRNA,

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it's a different kind of thing like DNA.

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That's the platform parts,
the part that expresses

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that candidate that
we're trying to find out

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how good it is in different
animals, of the health.

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- Thank you for asking that question.

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Okay, we're gonna go to Tara,

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and then we'll head back over to Phil.

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- I'll say thank you too.

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I was about to ask
something kinda related.

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But tied to that, could
you talk a little bit about

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what your scientists are
actually doing in the labs?

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Are they working with test tubes?

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Did they actually get
samples of coronavirus

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from someone who was infected?

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How did they do this?

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- Happy to, so our scientists

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are doing a number of things right now.

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There has been receipt of the virus

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in one of our laboratories, and
they're currently culturing,

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growing that virus, so that
we can have stocks available,

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for a number of things
to test products with.

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They're also doing
characterization of the virus,

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to try to understand,
learn more what we know

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about the virus, and how
the virus impacts the host,

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and our immune response to that virus.

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The scientists in our other
support laboratories are,

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yes, test tubes, pipettes,
they're dealing with mice,

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they're running cell cultures,

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and I can let the scientists here,

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that are doing the hands on work talk

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a little bit (laughing)
more about that, as well.

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- One description, in the laboratory

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that received the samples
that Colonel Sammons-Jackson

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was talking about, is the U.S. Army

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Medical Research Institute
of Infectious Diseases

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at Fort Detrick, but if you
think of the movie "Outbreak,"

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and the suits that they wore,

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and the highly contagious environment,

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without all of the drama
of the movie, certainly,

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but that capability certainly exists

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within military medicine, and
that particular laboratory

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is the DOD's only biosafety
level 4 laboratory.

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So, that type of work,

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and we're not there yet with coronavirus,

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where we would actually bring it into

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containment facilities,
or laboratory suites

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to test it at higher levels.

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We've mentioned, small
animals, that would be

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in advancement to a
larger specimen perhaps.

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Not there yet, but that's
what the laboratory work

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looks like, and I think we're
actually conducting that

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to some degree now in BSL-3 conditions,

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biosafety level 2 conditions,

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but that's to get a picture
of what that looks like

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at low scale levels,
In-Vitro under microscopes,

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to all the way to where we would actually

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begin advanced types of testing there.

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That's where we're skating
through, if you will.

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So, MRDC is for Medical
Research Development Command

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is really fortunate because we have

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a very unique national asset,

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as the general mentioned, in our Institute

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for biosafety level 3,
which is the current virus,

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is required to be handled within,

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as well as biosafety level 4,

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and so those scientists, a critical asset,

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and those scientists are actively working

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to investigate the virus as well.

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In addition, we also have

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the Walter Reed Army
Institute of Research,

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with our two scientists over here,

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who are working in biosafety level 2,

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and doing the discovery,
the small animal work,

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and have some of the most
brilliant minds in the world

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working in infectious disease research,

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and so within that, we have a very robust

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science and technology platform.

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In addition, we also have the capabilities

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to take products from the
science, from the prototype level,

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and moving into advanced development,

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which is required in
order for us to move them

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into manufacturing and commercialization.

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So, within MRDC as a
whole, we have sort of

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the entire pipeline for
developing products.

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- And just super quick follow-up.

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Where did the sample come
from, the coronavirus sample

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you're currently working on?

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- The CBC.

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- Okay, but there's no geographic area

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that can be identified of
where the infection was?

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Did it come from China?

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- It came from a U.S. patient.

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- Yeah, I think it was Washington state.

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But yeah, it's domestic.

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- Okay, so let someone get
some more questions in,

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so let's go to Phil.

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So just to clarify, real
quick on the rapid diagnostic

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that Lolita asked about.

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What, first of all, you said,

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I thought it was clear, you
said it'd be about a month

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or two months before you think

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such a diagnostic would exist.

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- No, no, I was saying
that industry right now

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is taking, their very robust platforms

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they have been using for a long time to do

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high throughput screening for
other infectious diseases,

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and are adapting those for testing

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for the SARS coronavirus 2.

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The point of care tests,
if they're going to be

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actually detecting the virus itself,

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I mean, that's a lot
trickier to actually take

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that kind of technology, and
then make it really small.

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So, I will tell you that we ourselves,

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are not involved directly
in those efforts.

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We're becoming aware of those that are,

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because historically,
we've made so many kinds of

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research projects, along with industry,

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to advance point of care tests,

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and largely for infections like HIV,

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because we're heavily involved

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in the President's Emergency
Plan for AIDS Relief,

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which obviously you
know, the point of care,

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there are places that
are resource-constrained

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in Africa largely, and
so you really need those

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kinds of robust tests that
require very, very little skill.

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I could probably teach my cat to use one.

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That's the sort of test you want

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to be able to use in the field,

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and it's the same mindset
we use is in the military

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to be able to have those
in rucksacks, right.

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So that technology, I don't
want to leave you the impression

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that, that's gonna be
available anytime soon.

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Clearly, what we're focused on

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is the more complex laboratories,

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so that we don't have state and local

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departments of public health
that are simply overwhelmed

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with individuals that want to get tested.

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So, in those situations,
where the patients are coming

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to a central place there, having the high

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throughput test makes sense,
if now you're talking about

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distributing people that want to go detect

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in less dense populations,
that's where the rapid or

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point of care tests will be important.

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- Are you preparing
yourselves for the possibility

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that the military is gonna
have to test military patients?

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I mean, it's a very large community,

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and when you think about all
the people around the world,

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it's unlikely that the civilian capacity

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would necessarily be there
as fast as what they need it.

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- [Wendy] Absolutely.

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- What does that look like?

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I mean, like right now my understanding is

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there's only a small number of kits

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that have been distributed
to a very specialized,

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about a dozen or so labs.

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So, what does that look like,

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when you're talking about
getting ready for testing

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over a million people maybe, potentially,

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in the US military?

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So, the goal, and there's
multiple approaches.

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- So, the goal is just increased capacity,

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and as Dr. Michael
mentioned, one way to do that

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is to develop these
high throughput assays,

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and place them in regional,
critically strategic

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regional areas so that we can increase

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the throughput of the diagnosis.

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Another approach, as was mentioned before,

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with the point of care, is
actually reaching further out

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into the environment to be able to test,

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and rapidly, as an
initial screen for folks

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to kind of help understand
what the epidemiology is.

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So, there's multiple
approaches within the army,

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across the DOD, and across
the U.S. Government as well.

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Certainly critical, and
each one of those approaches

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is our industry partners, to
be able to take a product,

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and develop it, and commercialize it.

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So, we are working with
a number of partners,

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and providing the support
within the laboratories

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to help develop those capabilities.

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- [Kathy] Okay, let's go to Lucas,

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and then I'll hit Courtney in back.

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- Lucas Tomlinson, Fox News.

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In your modeling, how many
U.S. military service members

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do you think are gonna
contract the coronavirus?

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- That'd be speculative sir.

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I don't think we have done
any estimates on that.

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It would depend on the spread,

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certainly the way it's progressing now,

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but right now, no data.

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- Well I mean, we're I think,
the General's 100% right.

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We don't have any data right now,

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but where we're beginning
to work with partners

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that Dr. Modjarrad can get
a little bit more into that.

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There are lots of people now

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that have gotten pretty sophisticated

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by trying to model
infectious disease outbreaks.

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You know, regrettably,
because one seems to come

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every year or so, we're
getting very good at this.

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The problem with the
models, it's only as good

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as the data you have that
would build into it, right.

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So, I would just say that we're beginning

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to set ourselves up with
really good modeling groups,

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to be able to ask questions
in areas of the world

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where it's the virus is
already spreading very quickly,

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and we have good epidemiology data

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that would allow us to
inform those models.

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That's gonna give us some prediction,

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but I can tell you during
the Ebola outbreak,

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I literally sat in a WHO
meeting, and had one modeler

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talk about when the epidemic
in Liberia was going to peak,

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and essentially, I looked at the numbers,

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I said you're basically saying,

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that it's only gonna peak

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when every single human
being in Liberia is infected,

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and he basically just shrugged.

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So, you just need to be careful
that these models sometimes

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can really look bombastic,
and they're only as good

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as the data that initially goes into them.

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- But one thing I can say
is that the current assay,

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which is a test, I think the throughput

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is around 60 patients every eight hours.

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So, when we're looking at volumes,

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or what we are trying to develop
in the area of detection,

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our goal is anywhere from
275 to 500 every eight hours.

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So, if we can increase
the throughput for this,

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you're talking about a large
number that would be affected.

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Take the military for example,

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we're certainly developing things in case

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that were to happen, that
goes for any population.

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- Okay, so I wanna go.

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- I was gonna say something.
- Go ahead.

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- I would just add, so I think
General Talley is correct

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in that any kind of numbers,
specifically numbers

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you throw out there is speculative.

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However, we have epidemiologists
at our Institute,

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working with modelers
who do this all the time,

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in the Defense Threat
Reduction Agency, DTRA,

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who provide responses to the requests

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of all the different
geographic combatant commands,

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and we have been working with
them for the past few weeks,

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initially based on assumptions,

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but now, more importantly,
on real life data.

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So we're trying to refine
those models better,

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based on the data that we feed into them.

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So, this is something
that we're working on,

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but I wouldn't speculate and
give you specific numbers.

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- What is the earliest that
a vaccine would be ready

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for a U.S. military service member?

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- So, again, it depends on
what you're talking about

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in terms of ready.

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So, as I said, when we go
into phase one clinical trials

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that we have done in the past,

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the volunteers who are
involved in those trials

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are a mix of civilian and
active duty populations,

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and then as you go further on,

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there is in discussions with our partners,

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and our military treatment facilities,

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the potential to have them
involved in clinical trials.

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As far as licensure,
whether you're talking about

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emergency use authorization,
or full licensure,

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if you talk about vaccines in general,

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I think Dr. Fauci's
remarks that he's stated

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over and over again,
are really the benchmark

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that we should use as the most accurate,

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as being the earliest, earliest, earliest,

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probably 12 to 18 months to get something

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out to the population, and that would be

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whether it'd be civilian
or military population.

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- And just recognize that
part of that hesitation,

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I mean, the science can go very quickly,

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but you at first don't
want to do harm, right.

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Obviously, there are
vaccines that can cause harm,

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and they provide benefits,
so that mixture is something

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you always have to look at,

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so part of the hesitation to say,

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oh, we can get a vaccine quickly is,

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you need to make sure
that it's really safe.

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If you test the vaccine in 1000 people,

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but one in 10,000 people is gonna have

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something terrible that happens,

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until you get to those numbers,

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you may end up doing mass
vaccination campaigns,

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with a vaccine that could cause

29:26.240 --> 29:27.790
a significant amount of problems.

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So, this needs to be a constant
reassessment of the risk,

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and the benefit.

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The other thing I would tell you,

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and this is sort of a
really good benchmark,

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we were the first people
that tested the vaccine,

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that eventually got licensed
by Merck, for Ebola, okay.

29:44.220 --> 29:45.570
That vaccine was first tested

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by the Walter Reed Army
Institute of Research.

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Five years later, it was
approved by the U.S. FDA.

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In the meantime, half a million souls

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were vaccinated, that
largely in Africa during,

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especially during the outbreak

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in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

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So, you know, again, that was
a risk/benefit assessment.

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The leadership in the DRC said, okay,

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we know it's not approved
yet by European Medicines,

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or by the U.S. FDA, but we have
a terrible outbreak of Ebola

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which is highly fatal,
and so decisions were made

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to use that under emergency
use authorizations,

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and so, there's always
that kind of debate,

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but just, I think that's a
good benchmark for vaccines.

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Let me also say that we haven't really

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talked much about this,

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we are beginning to make
other countermeasures.

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One of those are monoclonal antibodies.

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So, antibodies are a part
of our immune response,

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it's part of the way the body
tries to push infections back,

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but we can actually make
these in test tubes,

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and these are becoming
a much more common tool

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that are being used, especially
in the fields of oncology,

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but increasingly in infectious disease.

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So, instead of actually waiting
for a vaccine to be made,

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giving you that vaccine and
waiting the time it takes

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for it to develop the immune response,

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with these kinds of reagents,

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you can give almost immediate protection.

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So, we're literally in the process now

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of beginning to take
those first baby steps,

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as well as looking at that
we talked about one drug,

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the General talked about that one drug

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that's currently being repurposed,

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and has been looked at for Ebola,

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and now it's being
looked at for for CoV-2,

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but there are other small molecules

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that could be discovered,
and one capability

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that we have at our institute
is every malaria drug

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that's ever been discovered,
has at some level

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have gone through the Walter
Reed Army's data research.

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So, we have a really good
Drug Discovery Program,

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And so we're looking
for other kinds of drugs

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that might be lead candidates,

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in partnerships with the
pharmaceutical industry,

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that we could bring those to bear.

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So, vaccines, monoclonal
antibodies, and small molecules,

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drugs that could be brought to bear.

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So, we don't have one theme in play,

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we have actually a
number of themes in play,

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and all these are being
coordinated very closely

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with our partners, either in government,

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or in academia, or in industry.

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- Thank you sir.

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I know I want to try to
get a little bit more

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questions out there, so
Courtney we'll go to you.

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- Courtney Kube with NBC.

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I want to ask a couple of clarifications.

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So, when you're saying
that there's testing

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going on in mice, Dr. Modjarrad, you mean,

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you're not saying that
they're being injected

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with the coronavirus and that, right?

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Okay, I just wanted to be sure that.

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- Just injected with the vaccine
candidates, those options,

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to see how it responds to
the vaccine, not the virus.

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- Okay, good, I just
wanted to be sure that.

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Then I was a little unclear Dr. Michael,

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when you were talking about potentially

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rolling something out the next season,

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which I would assume
would be fall, winter,

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or maybe it was you Dr.
Modjarrad, forgive me,

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of the next season, but
I don't quite understand

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what that was you were
hoping of rolling out.

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- So, that's a really
important question too.

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Was there a third?

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The third one which is
about the production--

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- [Kathy] Let's keep it
at two, keep it to two.

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- I think you kind of
answered the other one,

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so if you could do those, that'd be great.

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- So, this is a respiratory virus,

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and they always give us trouble,

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during cold weather, for obvious reasons.

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We're all inside, and
windows are closed, etc.

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So, we typically call that the
influenza or the flu season.

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Our expectations of this virus,

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like every respiratory virus, is gonna be

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less troublesome for us,
as the weather warms up,

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and that's gonna be true across the globe.

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But, our experience, and
most of our experience

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comes from influenza, right,

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which is sort of unfortunately

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the king of respiratory viruses,

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but we but we know a lot about that,

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and our experience there
is that every flu season

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equals when the weather gets cold again,

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this is when these
viruses tend to come back.

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So, this is why it's really
important to understand

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that a lot of what we're doing now

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is really getting ourselves
ready for what we're calling

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the second wave of this.

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We hope that, that doesn't happen.

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If you remember SARS, SARS
came and went very quickly.

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And I really hope that happens again,

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but we can't count on that.

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We have to be ready is that

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even if this epidemic begins to wane,

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we have to be ready for next next winter,

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when it may come back again.

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- I'm sorry, I still don't
understand what it was

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that you were hoping to
roll out with the next wave.

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- So we're saying that
as we begin to develop

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any of these countermeasures
we're talking about,

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monoclonal antibodies, drugs, vaccines,

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that even if this disease abates

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over the next few months,
we're very concerned

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that it will come back,
and it may come back again,

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in the next flu season.

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If that's the case, then in the meantime,

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we've been working steadily
on these countermeasures

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so that they'll be ready,
if there's a next time.

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- Thank you, so let's hit Carla.

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- Thank you, I also just
have a couple clarifications.

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So hopefully, this will go
quick, but following up with her,

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just to reiterate, so you're
testing in small animals,

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mice now, you're taste
testing the candidate,

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and then you had said something
about the second phase

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was looking at large populations of mice.

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Would that be, I mean
large populations of mice,

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or would that be of something else,

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that you said that thinking about

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this next phase in the winter.

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I'm not quite sure what's going on.

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- So, I'm just gonna break it down again,

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in terms of what are the general phases

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of vaccine development.

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First you decide, down
at the atomic level,

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what your vaccine is going to be,

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and then you have your best guess,

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and you have a few different options

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as to what that will be.

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Then you test all those
different options in mice,

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meaning testing, give them the vaccine,

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and see what kind of
immune response they have.

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Then, typically, you go into
larger animals, like monkeys.

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That's typically the case.

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This is a new virus.

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We don't know which one of these animals

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is the most relevant one to humans.

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You know mice are mice,
mice are not humans, right.

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Monkeys may be a little closer to humans,

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and then you go into humans,
and when you go into humans

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in that first phase, you're just again,

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looking at the safety of your vaccine,

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and the immune response.

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You're not looking at if it's effective,

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to protect you from the virus.

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The next phase is where you
look at larger numbers of people

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for safety, and immune response again,

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'cause the first phase in humans
is just a few dozen people.

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Now we're talking hundreds to thousands,

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and you start looking at,

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is it protecting against infection?

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You need to have large
numbers of infections going on

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to be able to know whether or not

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it's protecting against that.

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So, that's why we anticipate potentially,

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if there's a second
wave, we gotta be ready,

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make it all the way
through those first studies

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in the animals, and the
safety, and immune response,

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so we're ready, in
position, and ready to go

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if this comes back and there
are a bunch of infections,

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so we can know is it protecting.

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- Okay, so you're planning to be of

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that second phase of
humans by next winter,

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just, that's where you are?

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Okay, just wanted to clarify that.

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And then the other thing
I wanted to clarify is,

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you said you had a candidate that was

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complimentary, but not duplicative.

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What exactly is the candidate?

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I know you talked about the spokes,

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are you too focusing on
the spoke of the virus.

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- Yes, we are.
- Yes.

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- But that's just what
NIH is also working on.

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So everybody's working on the spoke

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right now, just different--

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- Different ways, different
parts of the spoke,

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or different versions of it,

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and then different ways to express it.

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So, as I said, there's different ways.

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So, there's a DNA platform
we can express it,

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there's the mRNA that Moderna
is doing with the NIH.

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There are just using the protein itself.

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There's putting it on
a nanoparticle protein.

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So there's different
versions of the vaccine,

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and different ways to present
it to the immune system.

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- Okay, so right now we're
at 10 after, right now.

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So, we'll hit Haley,
and we're probably gonna

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wrap it up in a few minutes.

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So Haley, go ahead.

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- Thank you and thank
you all for doing this.

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One question for you, General Talley.

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Last year in the fall Fort Fort Detrick,

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the Research Institute,
had to pause testing

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for some safety concerns.

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Can you go into what
has been done since then

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to sort of make that a non-issue?

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Then there's also, I know
that Rare has gone over,

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you said different SARs, and
for different strains of this.

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What makes this different
from the previous strains

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that you've been looking at,

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and how have you kind of those
noticed those differences,

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and how that will affect the
vaccine that you're developing.

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- Absolutely, I appreciate the question.

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Yes, so the United States Army
Medical Research Institute

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of Infectious Diseases
and that's the BSL-4,

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Biosafety Level 4 lab that I mentioned,

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but on the 18th of July, of 2019,

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they were issued a cease and desist order

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by the CDC violations,
because of improper practices,

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all resulting from a number
of structural defects.

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They developed workarounds
that just were not safe.

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There was never any danger
of risk to the community,

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or breaking the containment,
which is what the labs are for.

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Since then, proud to say,
worked very hard to come back

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and meet CDC regulatory standards.

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The CDC came back for a reinspection,

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after about a 90 day plan
of action, and milestones,

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very aggressively went after that.

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And the CDC restored the laboratory

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to a limited operational capability.

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Limited, in that the same
volume that the laboratory

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had become accustomed to,

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throughputting much smaller levels,

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and then certain types of
testing, as I mentioned,

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BSL-4 being the highest
type biosafety laboratory

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for being the highest level.

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Not to that level, but
probably a smaller level

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or a level just shy of that,

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where the most dangerous
procedures weren't being done.

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This was this was in an effort to begin

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a gradual standup of capabilities

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after being down for so long.

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The CDC came back two weeks ago,

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actually three weeks ago now, in February,

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came back for a second inspection.

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This inspection was to allow
even more capabilities,

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more capacity to be performed.

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Again, proud to say,
night and day difference.

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According to the CDC, we were
issued a letter to restore

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even higher level capabilities.

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That letter was issued to
us just this past Friday.

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So, with respect to coronavirus,

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and coronavirus is not
considered a safety level

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type of virus that falls
into the same category

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as some of the other higher types.

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So, we have full authorization to perform

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at the highest levels
of scientific capacity

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at the laboratory for coronavirus.

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Other types of diseases that might meet

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some of the CDC criteria,
still having a gradual return

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to full operations, but with coronavirus,

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we're gonna be able to
conduct laboratory research

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at the highest levels that
the laboratory can perform.

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So, that's kind of where we are.

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Real proud, it's been a work in progress.

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We took advantage of the
operational pause, if you will,

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to really refine our standard
operating procedures,

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and frankly, the complete
culture has changed

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at that institution.

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They're back, and
certainly with coronavirus,

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it's amazing to watch the
entire enterprise mobilize

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the way they have, thank you.

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- Last quick question.

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Okay, so she had a follow-up for SARS.

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- So, regarding your second question

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about how this virus differs from others,

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and what we've learned.

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Probably, everybody's familiar now

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that there are seven human
coronaviruses that we know of,

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and that the highly pathogenic ones,

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the ones that tend to kill are SARS-1,

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Middle East Respiratory
Syndrome Coronavirus,

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and then the current coronavirus.

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So, we have been working on those other

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very more dangerous and
deadly viruses like MERS,

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and the first SARS.

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What we've learned is really,

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at the very basic atomic level.

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When I mentioned that we
first look at the atomic level

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of these spokes, these spikes,

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that's where we've been focusing on,

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because that's where the
differences matter the most,

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in terms of what kind of
immune response you get to it,

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how efficiently it attaches
to the cells in your lung.

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One of our chief scientists,
Dr. Gordon Joyce,

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has been doing a lot of the work on that,

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in determining the structures,
in collaboration again

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with our partners at the NIH,
National Institutes of Health,

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the Vaccine Research Center.

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So Dr. Joyce, myself, we both came from

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the Vaccine Research Center,

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working with Dr. Graham
and Dr. Kizzmekia Corbett

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under Dr. John Mascola, and
then one of the other structures

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that came out is Dr. Jason McLellan

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at the University of Texas at Austin.

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This should give you an idea also,

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how this is a very tight-knit family.

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We're kind of spread
across different centers,

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but we talk to each other all the time,

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because we have that very close,

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public health and scientific community.

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So, there are similarities
between this virus,

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and some of these other viruses,

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but there are obviously very
key differences between MERS,

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and this SARS CoV-2, there's about

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50% difference in the sequence.

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With SARS-1, there's about 20% difference,

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but that that 20% matters
obviously, quite a bit,

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and so that's the kind of
studying that we've been doing

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when we first got those sequences,

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and the world got those
sequences back on January 10th.

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We started looking down
at the atomic level

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as to how they differ.

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- So, ladies and gentlemen, I know,

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we've been going for a little bit,

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so I want to be able to wrap this up soon.

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We're gonna have folks standing by

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to do the follow-on questions.

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But sir, if you want
to do closing remarks.

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- Just one last before,

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since there won't be a
vaccine ready in time

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for this cycle of coronavirus,

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could you please give your
best advice to the force,

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and the public in general, about how to

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kind of ride this out for now.

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- I mean, we are literally
living in influenza season.

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People are getting infected
and dying of this disease.

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I like to remind people that
during the Ebola outbreak,

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both the one that just happened

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in the Democratic Republic
of Congo in West Africa,

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you know, somewhere between
16,000 to 19,000 people

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were still dying every
week of HIV infection.

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So, you know, the public,

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the medical community's governments

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have really gotten very good at managing

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how we deal with the scourges
of infectious disease.

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So, like any respiratory virus,

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we're going to be getting ourselves

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into the habit of washing our
hands much more frequently.

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If there's one thing that you can do,

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it's wash your hands much more frequently.

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So, I mean, we're both clinicians as well,

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and you go into the hospital,

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the nurse will wrap you on the knuckles

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if you don't wash your
hands coming into the room,

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or coming out, even if
you don't touch anything.

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So, that's critical.

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The things that we already know how to do,

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we do social distancing.

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We're not gonna be doing a
lot of hugging and kissing.

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If people are sick, they should stay home.

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If they really are very, very ill,

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then they can go into the hospital.

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But hospitals now are
getting very good about,

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how they would approach, making
sure that they can protect

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their staff, as well as
protecting other patients

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from someone who might be a risk.

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So, I think people should should recognize

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at the end of the day, this still remains

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a low risk infection, to not
just our service members,

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but to the American public,
and that we are really good

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as a hospital system, as
a medical care system,

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from both the EMT up the
intensive care units,

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at taking care of these.

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I'm not minimizing, I'm just saying that

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even the absence of a vaccine.

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We still don't have a
vaccine for HIV infection,

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but we have very good drugs
and we're beginning to develop

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monoclonal antibodies, so we will continue

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to campaign against these
infectious disease threats,

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as we would against enemies
against the homeland,

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and we're good at doing
those sorts of things,

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but the American public
should be reassured

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that this is a threat that we're used to,

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from the standpoint of influenza.

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We are working on developing measures,

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but everyone can assist
just by washing their hands.

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- Yeah, totally.

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Well, hopefully you've
been able to hear that,

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when you're talking to
the different agencies

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that are out there, and you're
getting different responses

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for what they're doing individually.

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This is truly a whole
of government approach.

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So, certainly if one one
agency, one organization,

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if it's an industry
partner, if it's academia,

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I think we're well nested and
we're sharing information,

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and collaborating, so that
we're able to leverage

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the right resources to
bring a vaccination,

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or vaccine candidate as
we've learned about today,

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across the finish line.

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So, we're gonna continue to collaborate

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in the fashion that we have,

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and we're going to work as hard as we can

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to find the right treatments,

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the right preventative measures,

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and certainly the right
detection capabilities

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that are out there.

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Those are our three focus
areas within the DOD.

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We really appreciate your time today,

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and again, thank you very much.

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It's been a pleasure, thank you.

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- So everybody, thanks for coming today.

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So we have some folks who are
gonna stand by in this room

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to do follow-up questions for you.

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Lori Salvatore from the
lab is here with her team,

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and then we also got my
team here from off the deck

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can help facilitate follow-on questions

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that we didn't get to that
you want for your reports,

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and then I just want
to thank General Talley

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and his team for their time today.

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So thanks everybody.

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- Thank you very much.
- Appreciate it.

