WEBVTT 00:00.780 --> 00:02.686 - [Dan] Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. 00:02.686 --> 00:04.609 My name is Dan Wilson and on behalf of 00:04.609 --> 00:08.675 myself my partner that's roaming around the back there, 00:08.675 --> 00:12.337 Trey Johnson, the whole, all four of us, 00:12.337 --> 00:14.143 the Soldier Green Book project team, 00:14.143 --> 00:15.626 and the US Army Pacific. 00:15.626 --> 00:18.932 I want to welcome you to what I think is going to be a very 00:18.932 --> 00:21.775 very good discussion and I hope it's a good discussion. 00:21.775 --> 00:25.658 I hope it's useful discussion about a recurring theme 00:25.658 --> 00:27.575 that you have heard all week if you've been 00:27.575 --> 00:29.213 in any of the panels or forums. 00:29.213 --> 00:31.656 General Brown talks about it all the time. 00:31.656 --> 00:34.596 How do we develop these teams of trusted professionals 00:34.596 --> 00:36.094 that can thrive and ambiguity in chaos. 00:36.094 --> 00:40.043 So the question that we're here today to discuss is 00:40.043 --> 00:42.294 that's all great, but how do we do that? 00:42.294 --> 00:44.747 And what does it mean to you as a squad leader or 00:44.747 --> 00:48.613 Platoon Sergeant, Platoon Leader, Company Commander. 00:48.613 --> 00:50.895 I wanna thank our senior leaders for coming, 00:50.895 --> 00:52.548 I know your schedules are very busy today. 00:52.548 --> 00:54.538 I see General Andrysiak in the back and several 00:54.538 --> 00:56.182 other senior leaders that are here today. 00:56.182 --> 00:58.282 Thank you for coming to our coalition 00:58.282 --> 01:00.821 friends and allies, thank you for coming. 01:00.821 --> 01:03.207 As well as our joint service partners. 01:03.207 --> 01:06.258 I will tell you that your voice is needed here. 01:06.258 --> 01:08.162 This problem that we're gonna wrestle 01:08.162 --> 01:10.715 with is not Army specific, US Army specific. 01:10.715 --> 01:14.966 This is something that we should all be working on together. 01:14.966 --> 01:16.646 But I want to extend a particularly 01:16.646 --> 01:18.535 warm welcome to our junior leaders. 01:18.535 --> 01:21.817 Our platoon leaders, our company commanders, 01:21.817 --> 01:25.507 and really most importantly the backbone of our military, 01:25.507 --> 01:27.703 our Army, our squad leaders, 01:27.703 --> 01:30.959 our Platoon Sergeants and First Sergeants, 01:30.959 --> 01:34.647 This is for you and this is designed to be for you. 01:34.647 --> 01:36.173 So I hope that you get something out of it. 01:36.173 --> 01:38.339 And if you don't come up afterwards and tell me that you 01:38.339 --> 01:41.166 got nothing out of it and I'll try to get better next time. 01:41.166 --> 01:42.149 Okay? 01:42.149 --> 01:45.292 I'm gonna talk to you guys about Soldiers Green Book Project 01:45.292 --> 01:47.061 is something that General Brown charted us to do 01:47.061 --> 01:49.258 about 18 months ago, to try to figure out the how 01:49.258 --> 01:51.854 of the human dimension challenge. 01:51.854 --> 01:54.093 And a lot of the background documents that we use 01:54.093 --> 01:57.079 to get started were things like the Army operating concept, 01:57.079 --> 01:58.823 the human dimension strategy, the latest is 01:58.823 --> 02:02.823 the Army's General six modernization priorities. 02:03.835 --> 02:05.730 And a lot of those things are looking 02:05.730 --> 02:08.816 at the Army of 2025 and beyond. 02:08.816 --> 02:09.733 Okay, 2025. 02:11.583 --> 02:15.299 Let's think about it, that's seven years from now. 02:15.299 --> 02:18.755 I know you youngsters, seven years is an eternity. 02:18.755 --> 02:21.053 And in fact my daughter when she was 23 02:21.053 --> 02:22.170 and we were talking about her 02:22.170 --> 02:24.360 seven years from then she'd be 30 years old, 02:24.360 --> 02:27.399 she said oh my god dad, I'll be old. 02:27.399 --> 02:30.732 So for you guys that's a long time away. 02:32.060 --> 02:34.470 For old people like me, it's like dog years. 02:34.470 --> 02:38.455 Seven years feels like, one year feels like seven. 02:38.455 --> 02:40.839 And you blink and eye and seven years has gone by. 02:40.839 --> 02:43.298 So just, I wanna give you some 02:43.298 --> 02:46.623 perspective as you think about 2025. 02:46.623 --> 02:49.920 Seven years before 9/11, I was a young 02:49.920 --> 02:52.674 platoon leader in the second ranger battalion. 02:52.674 --> 02:55.103 The lessons learned from Mogadishu were just coming out from 02:55.103 --> 02:58.730 the big fight the task force had down there in Mogadishu. 02:58.730 --> 03:01.771 And we were focusing on then Lieutenant 03:01.771 --> 03:04.452 Colonel Stanley Mcchrystal's big four. 03:04.452 --> 03:06.869 Everybody knows the big four. 03:07.797 --> 03:09.809 Fast forward seven years, I'm now a company 03:09.809 --> 03:11.316 commander to the third ranger battalion. 03:11.316 --> 03:13.222 We're on RF Ranger Ready force one. 03:13.222 --> 03:15.114 We were the alert battalion for the regiment, 03:15.114 --> 03:17.853 and two weeks after the events of 9/11 we were winging our 03:17.853 --> 03:21.697 way to points east and beginning operations in Afghanistan. 03:21.697 --> 03:25.864 Okay and that started a eleven year journey for me 03:26.860 --> 03:30.110 of learning and growth and development. 03:31.495 --> 03:33.686 And I will tell you that most of 03:33.686 --> 03:36.700 that was through screwing it up. 03:36.700 --> 03:38.535 In learning, in doing better the 03:38.535 --> 03:41.603 next time in those kind of things. 03:41.603 --> 03:43.463 I was good, I knew the big four. 03:43.463 --> 03:45.403 I was tactically and technically proficient. 03:45.403 --> 03:47.188 But nobody told me that I needed 03:47.188 --> 03:49.008 to know how to do governance. 03:49.008 --> 03:50.882 Nobody told me that I had to know 03:50.882 --> 03:53.334 how to mentor a police force. 03:53.334 --> 03:54.776 Nobody told me how to do essential 03:54.776 --> 03:57.389 services and restore them and maintain them. 03:57.389 --> 04:00.022 Nobody told me how to use culture and religion 04:00.022 --> 04:03.605 and history as maneuver and to get effects. 04:08.345 --> 04:10.761 And it's really amazing to me to think about you know 04:10.761 --> 04:12.713 I can remember thinking going into Afghanistan 04:12.713 --> 04:15.015 on October 19th, 2011 the first time 04:15.015 --> 04:16.453 that we did operations there. 04:16.453 --> 04:18.952 I literally thought everyone in Afghanistan 04:18.952 --> 04:20.908 that had a turban and an AK was a bad guy. 04:20.908 --> 04:23.030 He was a Taliban or Al Qaeda member. 04:23.030 --> 04:26.224 That's how little context and understanding we had 04:26.224 --> 04:28.900 of the environment we were going into. 04:28.900 --> 04:30.324 Okay? 04:30.324 --> 04:32.268 So what I would tell you is seven years from now, 04:32.268 --> 04:34.056 the young leaders in this room. 04:34.056 --> 04:36.843 The squad leaders are going to be the first sergeants. 04:36.843 --> 04:39.954 The Lieutenants are going to be the company commanders. 04:39.954 --> 04:42.046 And the company commanders and first sergeants are going 04:42.046 --> 04:43.264 to be the command sergeants, major 04:43.264 --> 04:44.784 and the battalion commanders who are gonna have to 04:44.784 --> 04:47.194 figure out how to win the next fight. 04:47.194 --> 04:50.109 So what I'm gonna ask you is to be better than me. 04:50.109 --> 04:50.942 Okay? 04:52.417 --> 04:53.849 And take these things that we talk 04:53.849 --> 04:55.698 about today and just run with them. 04:55.698 --> 04:57.570 And I'm not even sure guys that we're 04:57.570 --> 05:01.320 gonna have seven years to wait to figure this out. 05:01.320 --> 05:03.824 It could happen tomorrow, everybody watches the news 05:03.824 --> 05:06.979 and you see actually the world is a more dangerous place 05:06.979 --> 05:11.870 today than it was on my epiphany on 9/11. 05:11.870 --> 05:12.703 Okay? 05:14.829 --> 05:16.814 So here's what we're gonna do today guys. 05:16.814 --> 05:18.882 I put this definition up here because 05:18.882 --> 05:22.061 I wanna break the mold for panels and forums. 05:22.061 --> 05:24.728 A forum is an exchange of ideas. 05:26.624 --> 05:29.055 I've got some people here that I want to have talk to you 05:29.055 --> 05:30.399 that I talk thought provokers, 05:30.399 --> 05:31.879 but they're not going to talk at you. 05:31.879 --> 05:33.626 I'm not going to sell anything to you. 05:33.626 --> 05:35.618 I want you to take what they say 05:35.618 --> 05:38.510 and I want you to think about it. 05:38.510 --> 05:41.851 And I know having studied behaviors some of you are like me, 05:41.851 --> 05:44.907 I have no problem opening my mouth, again Colonel Ryan will 05:44.907 --> 05:46.666 tell you I have no problem ever doing that. 05:46.666 --> 05:49.878 Some of you like to observe and you learn by listening 05:49.878 --> 05:52.977 to other people open their mouth, that's fine. 05:52.977 --> 05:54.716 But if you walk out that door today and you are thinking 05:54.716 --> 05:58.477 about the problems of the future and how do we 05:58.477 --> 06:01.163 optimize soldier leader and team performance 06:01.163 --> 06:02.747 and how do we develop agile and adaptive leaders, 06:02.747 --> 06:06.247 I'm gonna consider myself a success, okay? 06:07.538 --> 06:09.209 So there's kind of the rules. 06:09.209 --> 06:11.326 Think about it guys, talk about it. 06:11.326 --> 06:13.659 What I want you to do is leave here and I want you to go 06:13.659 --> 06:15.178 back to your units and start to 06:15.178 --> 06:16.870 implement this stuff right now. 06:16.870 --> 06:19.216 And I'm gonna show you what we've been trying to do 06:19.216 --> 06:23.617 to get after it and to give in this case Alpha 235 06:23.617 --> 06:25.746 some techniques that helped them get better today. 06:25.746 --> 06:28.432 Do I think they're exactly the right answer? 06:28.432 --> 06:29.370 No. 06:29.370 --> 06:33.991 So what do you do, how do you do this kind of stuff? 06:33.991 --> 06:35.168 And then I want to build a human 06:35.168 --> 06:36.619 dimension community practice. 06:36.619 --> 06:39.412 To me we are an Army and a group of people 06:39.412 --> 06:42.389 who are like minded, warrior, warriors 06:42.389 --> 06:45.401 who want to try to make our teams and leaders better. 06:45.401 --> 06:47.234 So join our community. 06:50.368 --> 06:52.264 What I'm gonna do is show you a quick video. 06:52.264 --> 06:53.646 This is actually a little bit of clip 06:53.646 --> 06:56.237 from human dimension strategies coming out of cat. 06:56.237 --> 07:00.987 I think it talks about the challenge better than I could. 07:16.546 --> 07:19.213 (intense music) 07:26.738 --> 07:28.506 - [Narrator] Despite advances in technology, 07:28.506 --> 07:31.965 war remains a human contest of wills. 07:31.965 --> 07:35.068 This contest will only intensify as the rate 07:35.068 --> 07:38.052 of human interaction increases and the spaces 07:38.052 --> 07:41.381 between groups continue to diminish. 07:41.381 --> 07:43.675 No one can predict where the next 07:43.675 --> 07:46.700 challenge to American interests will emerge. 07:46.700 --> 07:49.357 Only that it will appear suddenly from an unexpected 07:49.357 --> 07:53.850 direction and require rapid adaptation to address. 07:53.850 --> 07:56.105 In a future marked by diminishing advantage, 07:56.105 --> 07:59.724 and growing uncertainty, the Army must focus our 07:59.724 --> 08:03.641 investment on our most agile asset, our people. 08:04.549 --> 08:07.241 The world is becoming increasingly complex. 08:07.241 --> 08:10.135 The increase rate of human interapid diffusion 08:10.135 --> 08:13.811 of information leads to sudden and unexpected immersion 08:13.811 --> 08:15.764 behavior in societies which are 08:15.764 --> 08:18.847 often grounded in ancient grievances. 08:20.464 --> 08:23.197 The technological edge of the United States Military 08:23.197 --> 08:27.697 has enjoyed since the end of World War two is eroding. 08:29.474 --> 08:32.271 The rapid pace of commercial innovation in the 21st century 08:32.271 --> 08:36.044 provides great opportunities for potential adversaries 08:36.044 --> 08:38.134 to achieve short term military 08:38.134 --> 08:40.801 advantage in these capabilities. 08:43.182 --> 08:45.468 A sustained investment in the human dimension 08:45.468 --> 08:47.695 of combat power is the most reliable 08:47.695 --> 08:50.862 insurance against an uncertain future. 08:53.885 --> 08:57.662 In the past, soldiers and civilians have trained to excel 08:57.662 --> 09:02.482 in known fields of tactical and technical competence. 09:02.482 --> 09:05.365 While these competencies remain important, 09:05.365 --> 09:08.235 the increasing uncertainty of their future environment 09:08.235 --> 09:11.120 will require cohesive teams of trusted professionals 09:11.120 --> 09:14.198 who are not only comfortable in conditions of ambiguity 09:14.198 --> 09:17.031 and chaos, but improve and thrive. 09:20.153 --> 09:22.297 In a world of near constant surveillance, 09:22.297 --> 09:26.637 leaders must also be able to appreciate strategic context. 09:26.637 --> 09:29.181 Always prepared for global scrutiny 09:29.181 --> 09:32.365 of the smallest tactical actions. 09:32.365 --> 09:35.615 Army leaders at every level must think 09:35.615 --> 09:37.962 broadly about the nature of conflict. 09:37.962 --> 09:40.699 Display a nuance sense of social context 09:40.699 --> 09:42.915 and develop creative solutions to 09:42.915 --> 09:45.915 complex problems in a timely manner. 09:46.912 --> 09:48.795 Army teams and trusted professionals 09:48.795 --> 09:51.228 must be able to innovate rapidly, 09:51.228 --> 09:55.078 especially in the face of complexity and ambiguity. 09:55.078 --> 09:58.291 This will require ethos and disruptive innovation. 09:58.291 --> 10:01.004 A bias towards action and a culture 10:01.004 --> 10:04.171 of trust empowered by mission command. 10:06.030 --> 10:08.859 Producing these teams in the face of decreasing 10:08.859 --> 10:12.274 physical resources and a diminished recruiting pool 10:12.274 --> 10:15.456 will require a concerted effort in the science 10:15.456 --> 10:18.289 of human performance optimization. 10:20.090 --> 10:23.111 The Army must apply emerging advances in learning sciences 10:23.111 --> 10:26.645 and predictive analytics to ensure the optimal 10:26.645 --> 10:30.676 development and best utilization of our talent. 10:30.676 --> 10:33.743 This will require a greater investment to fully develop 10:33.743 --> 10:37.151 the knowledge, skills and attributes of every soldier 10:37.151 --> 10:40.901 and civilian to reach their unique potential. 10:42.192 --> 10:45.387 The education, training and leader development systems 10:45.387 --> 10:48.986 we have today are not adequately equipped to produce 10:48.986 --> 10:53.736 the Army professionals that we will require for tomorrow. 10:57.679 --> 10:59.132 - I'll ask if you've got a comment 10:59.132 --> 11:01.530 just wait for us to hand you a floating mic 11:01.530 --> 11:02.780 since we're streaming this live, 11:02.780 --> 11:03.826 we just want to make sure that the 11:03.826 --> 11:05.070 people out there can hear us. 11:05.070 --> 11:06.974 I don't know if you caught that last sentence. 11:06.974 --> 11:10.008 The education, training and leader development processes 11:10.008 --> 11:14.258 that we have today are not adequate for the future. 11:15.352 --> 11:17.815 It's a pretty, that came out of the 11:17.815 --> 11:19.839 combined Armed center Fort Leavenworth. 11:19.839 --> 11:23.256 That's our problem, that's our challenge. 11:26.520 --> 11:28.788 So I'm gonna give you the answers to the test, 11:28.788 --> 11:30.786 if there's actually an essay test for all of you before you 11:30.786 --> 11:34.099 leave here and your commanders are going to get the grades. 11:34.099 --> 11:36.582 But uh no, this is what I'm gonna ask you guys 11:36.582 --> 11:38.461 to do as we go through this today. 11:38.461 --> 11:40.544 Think about these things. 11:41.457 --> 11:44.352 What does this mean to you? 11:44.352 --> 11:46.298 Are there things that really resonate? 11:46.298 --> 11:49.775 Are there things that you particularly disagree with? 11:49.775 --> 11:50.725 I think it's critical. 11:50.725 --> 11:54.607 How do you take these ideas back to your companies now? 11:54.607 --> 11:56.435 And if you could make one recommendation 11:56.435 --> 11:58.371 to the senior leadership of the Army, 11:58.371 --> 12:00.498 how do we do this, what do we need for this? 12:00.498 --> 12:05.498 Okay so we'll come back to that one at the end of the day. 12:05.803 --> 12:07.307 Why should you care? 12:07.307 --> 12:08.829 Again I talked about this up front. 12:08.829 --> 12:11.214 These are all the documents that the army has put out 12:11.214 --> 12:13.713 in the last, mostly starting since 2014, 12:13.713 --> 12:17.951 describing the need for better soldiers, leaders and teams. 12:17.951 --> 12:20.905 The last one most recent although there is another one, 12:20.905 --> 12:22.495 the new Army training, 12:22.495 --> 12:24.916 Army Learning Model for training education. 12:24.916 --> 12:26.881 I don't have it on this slide. 12:26.881 --> 12:29.049 But the already Army modernization priorities 12:29.049 --> 12:30.498 the six are on the right side there. 12:30.498 --> 12:33.709 All described a need to develop agile and adaptive leaders, 12:33.709 --> 12:36.222 and the challenge of meeting these new 12:36.222 --> 12:39.469 operational environments that we're going into. 12:39.469 --> 12:42.112 But that's all it tells you, is what we want. 12:42.112 --> 12:43.784 It doesn't tell you how we're gonna 12:43.784 --> 12:46.272 get there and what we need to do. 12:46.272 --> 12:48.466 And what I'd like to do this is great timing, 12:48.466 --> 12:50.695 I'd like to just ask General Brown the commander 12:50.695 --> 12:53.114 of the US Army Pacific if he would like 12:53.114 --> 12:55.700 to make a couple of remarks on this whole thing? 12:55.700 --> 12:57.799 And Sir just to give you the skinny, 12:57.799 --> 12:59.914 we've just been talking about the problem. 12:59.914 --> 13:03.238 Which I know you know well what the problem is. 13:03.238 --> 13:04.892 - [Brown] Thanks Dan, appreciate it. 13:04.892 --> 13:07.450 So I'm, well I better use the mic I guess 13:07.450 --> 13:09.356 normally I like to walk around. 13:09.356 --> 13:11.538 How you doing, Lane, good to see you. 13:11.538 --> 13:13.955 Figured you would be in here. 13:15.371 --> 13:17.177 That's a real smart guy over there carried me when 13:17.177 --> 13:19.511 I was a striker brigade commander and beyond. 13:19.511 --> 13:22.234 Hey I just wanna take a couple of minutes, 13:22.234 --> 13:24.657 I think you're really smart to be at this forum. 13:24.657 --> 13:28.969 Because people aren't in the Army, people are the Army. 13:28.969 --> 13:33.320 And when you look for all our nations with it's people 13:33.320 --> 13:36.352 that are our advantage, not the systems. 13:36.352 --> 13:38.626 If you look, you know the systems 13:38.626 --> 13:42.127 can give you a slight advantage sometimes. 13:42.127 --> 13:44.228 It used to be when I was much younger 13:44.228 --> 13:45.599 like these Captains over here. 13:45.599 --> 13:47.325 The system could give you, 13:47.325 --> 13:50.197 technology could give you significant advantage. 13:50.197 --> 13:53.122 Now you look and that is very short lived. 13:53.122 --> 13:54.898 It can be copied quite easily. 13:54.898 --> 13:57.966 Gosh even if you look even Isis had 3D printers 13:57.966 --> 14:02.049 on the battlefield making parts and making things 14:03.193 --> 14:05.626 to negate the technological advantage. 14:05.626 --> 14:10.497 But I got involved about 30 years ago in you know 14:10.497 --> 14:15.497 the areas that are not as when we think of soldiers, 14:15.523 --> 14:17.152 first thing we think is physical, 14:17.152 --> 14:18.433 and of course that's critical. 14:18.433 --> 14:20.606 You know you've gotta be able to have the physical stamina 14:20.606 --> 14:23.808 and it's a physical profession and physical aspects 14:23.808 --> 14:26.793 that are key no matter what branch you are, what MOS. 14:26.793 --> 14:31.626 What service, but Army wise in particular physical is key. 14:33.021 --> 14:36.529 But we spend a ton of time on physical but we leave out 14:36.529 --> 14:38.838 some of the other aspects that are 14:38.838 --> 14:41.351 I would say are even more important, 14:41.351 --> 14:45.062 though you could judge all the ability 14:45.062 --> 14:50.062 to focus and concentrate, the ability to use what we call 14:50.396 --> 14:53.672 stress management, energy management now is a term. 14:53.672 --> 14:56.535 And then the ability to excel what we would say 14:56.535 --> 14:58.692 you know you look over the past 16 years we say 14:58.692 --> 15:01.993 soldiers needed to be comfortable in ambiguity and chaos. 15:01.993 --> 15:05.832 Which I think was a good start as we're learning 15:05.832 --> 15:07.828 this world exchanging from not 15:07.828 --> 15:10.078 enough information to too much information. 15:10.078 --> 15:12.521 And complexity, being comfortable is a good start 15:12.521 --> 15:14.362 but I would tell you today comfortable, 15:14.362 --> 15:17.102 you won't save lives in the disaster response 15:17.102 --> 15:18.755 in the future if you're comfortable. 15:18.755 --> 15:21.545 You've gotta, be much more than that 15:21.545 --> 15:24.532 and the same if you're in a scenario 15:24.532 --> 15:26.948 be it God forbid something happened 15:26.948 --> 15:29.781 in North Korea or anywhere around the world, 15:29.781 --> 15:33.005 it's going to be the ability to thrive. 15:33.005 --> 15:35.206 To thrive in that ambiguity and chaos that's 15:35.206 --> 15:37.365 out there today that's gonna make the difference. 15:37.365 --> 15:40.247 And then when you look I've often said 15:40.247 --> 15:44.997 I'm very glad the members of my platoon back in 1981-1982 15:46.267 --> 15:49.939 it wasn't possible for anything they did to be on CNN 15:49.939 --> 15:53.064 that night because I guarantee I wouldn't be standing here. 15:53.064 --> 15:56.511 And but today that's not only possible, 15:56.511 --> 15:59.205 it's happening every day the strategic corporal. 15:59.205 --> 16:01.907 And so why is it so important that we have 16:01.907 --> 16:06.083 trusted professionals, that we're a profession as an Army. 16:06.083 --> 16:08.468 Professions police themselves. 16:08.468 --> 16:10.340 Professions have the standards, 16:10.340 --> 16:12.840 the ethical, the moral aspect. 16:14.609 --> 16:18.823 And so trusted teams of professionals is key. 16:18.823 --> 16:22.549 Because it does take a team not an individual 16:22.549 --> 16:24.037 to thrive in ambiguity and chaos. 16:24.037 --> 16:26.667 When you look what is kind of the goal where we're looking. 16:26.667 --> 16:29.219 And as I mention, I mean physical 16:29.219 --> 16:31.804 is certainly a part of that but there are 16:31.804 --> 16:34.558 the other aspects and the good news 16:34.558 --> 16:36.148 is there are programs out there 16:36.148 --> 16:39.075 that get after all the other aspects, 16:39.075 --> 16:43.742 resiliency from the mental, the spiritual, the physical, 16:45.031 --> 16:46.623 and blend all of those together. 16:46.623 --> 16:50.331 So you know when you look also what makes us different 16:50.331 --> 16:52.663 there are a couple things we shifted 16:52.663 --> 16:55.413 in 2008 from command and control, 16:56.550 --> 16:58.180 you know where you could literally 16:58.180 --> 17:00.310 stand there and say you go left, you go right 17:00.310 --> 17:01.796 and things could come from all the way up 17:01.796 --> 17:03.415 the chain of command and all the way back 17:03.415 --> 17:04.714 and plenty of time to react against 17:04.714 --> 17:07.143 an enemy that was always slower. 17:07.143 --> 17:10.238 And we started to realize hey, that's not gonna work. 17:10.238 --> 17:12.956 The complexity of the world has changed 17:12.956 --> 17:15.405 the velocity of human interaction as such 17:15.405 --> 17:17.617 that the enemy and those that would 17:17.617 --> 17:21.291 do you harm are now faster than we are. 17:21.291 --> 17:22.943 Using the same technology, why are they faster? 17:22.943 --> 17:24.804 Cause they can lie, while we told the truth, 17:24.804 --> 17:26.436 the truth takes longer. 17:26.436 --> 17:29.651 But there's no longer any time to go up and down. 17:29.651 --> 17:32.227 Now you've gotta learn this, which many organizations 17:32.227 --> 17:35.135 were learning before this, this ability to have 17:35.135 --> 17:38.355 a learning environment where you build trust 17:38.355 --> 17:40.268 and then you empower people. 17:40.268 --> 17:43.643 So add all those things I've been talking about 17:43.643 --> 17:47.022 together and what's the result? 17:47.022 --> 17:49.377 Yes there's still the basic shoot, 17:49.377 --> 17:53.207 move and communicate out there, but the basics have changed. 17:53.207 --> 17:58.002 And what we require of ranks younger and younger soldiers. 17:58.002 --> 17:59.448 Younger and younger leaders. 17:59.448 --> 18:03.017 You'll have a Captain doing what a Colonel used to do. 18:03.017 --> 18:07.208 You'll have an E5 doing what a Sergeant Major used to do. 18:07.208 --> 18:09.349 I mean it gets unbelievable the empowerment 18:09.349 --> 18:12.392 and it's a damn good thing because as we all know 18:12.392 --> 18:15.085 in all of this the best ideas come from the cutting edge. 18:15.085 --> 18:16.643 Those closet to the problems. 18:16.643 --> 18:19.008 Surprisingly it's not the generals with the best idea. 18:19.008 --> 18:20.442 I know that's shocking to you. 18:20.442 --> 18:22.731 It's the folks closest to the problem on the edge 18:22.731 --> 18:25.464 that come up with a solution and in many cases, 18:25.464 --> 18:27.761 why because their lives depend on it. 18:27.761 --> 18:30.655 And I've seen it over and over again in organizations 18:30.655 --> 18:34.730 when I was DCGing to 25th, we had about 12 different 18:34.730 --> 18:38.233 brigades over a year we were deployed. 18:38.233 --> 18:39.998 You know some you're with for months, 18:39.998 --> 18:41.841 some you're with for the whole year, it's rotating. 18:41.841 --> 18:44.247 And it was fascinating because in all those cases 18:44.247 --> 18:47.284 the soldiers on the edge were extremely innovative, 18:47.284 --> 18:50.873 learning to thrive in ambiguity and chaos 18:50.873 --> 18:52.740 because their lives depended on it. 18:52.740 --> 18:55.372 But depending on the organization we're in the middle of, 18:55.372 --> 18:58.953 this was right as we switched in 2008 mission command. 18:58.953 --> 19:01.385 Some were still quite honestly being micromanaged, 19:01.385 --> 19:04.497 command and control, some were under 19:04.497 --> 19:07.015 mission command and trusted in power. 19:07.015 --> 19:09.711 But either way they're coming up with solutions. 19:09.711 --> 19:12.435 But what would happen is did they tell the chain of command, 19:12.435 --> 19:13.837 the ones that were micromanaged. 19:13.837 --> 19:15.540 They sort of just left out the details, 19:15.540 --> 19:17.513 talked about how they got something accomplished. 19:17.513 --> 19:18.910 Didn't really go into the details. 19:18.910 --> 19:20.702 Were the ones that were under mission command 19:20.702 --> 19:21.946 trust in a powered learning environment. 19:21.946 --> 19:24.133 They were very proud to tell how they did it. 19:24.133 --> 19:27.109 The organization took that and made the 19:27.109 --> 19:29.686 entire organization better with lessons 19:29.686 --> 19:32.023 learned and moved on from there. 19:32.023 --> 19:37.023 Good news is today most units I see or understand mission 19:37.407 --> 19:38.894 command much better because we've 19:38.894 --> 19:40.776 been doing it ten years now. 19:40.776 --> 19:45.227 So this stuff is absolutely critical and ideas like 19:45.227 --> 19:48.080 the green book you're hearing here where 19:48.080 --> 19:50.027 you get more input from the bottom. 19:50.027 --> 19:53.872 The ability for soldiers as we talk about how you thrive, 19:53.872 --> 19:56.273 well key things are certainly there's 19:56.273 --> 19:58.461 rote repetition and training is important. 19:58.461 --> 20:01.616 And you certainly don't want to ever have to think about how 20:01.616 --> 20:04.651 to fire your weapon, the rote repetition of that process. 20:04.651 --> 20:07.610 You do however want to think about what you're firing 20:07.610 --> 20:10.750 your weapon at, and those aspects. 20:10.750 --> 20:13.951 So there's certainly rote repetition as key. 20:13.951 --> 20:17.258 And many areas and then there's also the education 20:17.258 --> 20:20.253 that enables you to figure out what to do 20:20.253 --> 20:23.419 in a scenario to become more agile and adaptive. 20:23.419 --> 20:26.632 And the definition I use for that is I watched it 20:26.632 --> 20:30.154 when I was in striker brigade many years ago. 20:30.154 --> 20:33.771 We're developing this whole idea of mission command 20:33.771 --> 20:38.271 and how to fight and empower was clearly you can solve 20:40.769 --> 20:45.548 complex problem in a timely manner with a creative solution. 20:45.548 --> 20:47.962 That's agile and adapt, solve a complex problem 20:47.962 --> 20:49.996 in a timely manner with a creative solution. 20:49.996 --> 20:53.244 And the good news for many nations in here 20:53.244 --> 20:55.148 and certainly for the United States, 20:55.148 --> 20:59.560 we have always been very good at that as a nation 20:59.560 --> 21:03.103 because we are, for us we have a little advantage 21:03.103 --> 21:05.600 of born with that spirit that you can 21:05.600 --> 21:08.017 be whatever you determine you want to. 21:08.017 --> 21:10.077 Whatever you work for and there's a 21:10.077 --> 21:12.593 certain spirit American soldiers have. 21:12.593 --> 21:15.498 And quite honestly if they know you care 21:15.498 --> 21:18.753 and they understand why they're doing something 21:18.753 --> 21:21.267 you start with why, they're unstoppable, 21:21.267 --> 21:23.218 gives me goosebumps to think about things 21:23.218 --> 21:25.926 that I've seen soldiers do and how proud 21:25.926 --> 21:27.620 I am to be a soldier and serve with 21:27.620 --> 21:29.645 these soldiers it's unbelievable. 21:29.645 --> 21:32.394 If they don't understand why or they 21:32.394 --> 21:34.079 think you're out for yourself or 21:34.079 --> 21:35.878 the mission doesn't make sense and you didn't start 21:35.878 --> 21:37.585 with why, they can be the biggest pain 21:37.585 --> 21:39.605 in the butt on the face of the earth. 21:39.605 --> 21:41.642 And they should be because they should demand 21:41.642 --> 21:43.295 from their leaders that they understand why 21:43.295 --> 21:46.432 and that you know again there's that 21:46.432 --> 21:48.132 environment where they can thrive. 21:48.132 --> 21:49.945 And so there's a balance between experience, 21:49.945 --> 21:53.889 training from rote repetition to outcomes based training, 21:53.889 --> 21:56.617 and then certainly education. 21:56.617 --> 21:58.804 Why did the Army move to Army University 21:58.804 --> 22:01.466 and increasing the rigor of education, 22:01.466 --> 22:03.257 increasing the quality of education so that 22:03.257 --> 22:05.487 because education there's an old saying 22:05.487 --> 22:08.396 you train for the expected oh I could argue that today, 22:08.396 --> 22:10.555 and you educate for the unexpected. 22:10.555 --> 22:13.825 And that education enables you to what's not expected 22:13.825 --> 22:15.966 out there and you're broadening yourself. 22:15.966 --> 22:19.454 And that goes from whether you're an E1 to and O10, 22:19.454 --> 22:20.752 it doesn't matter. 22:20.752 --> 22:24.055 You know we can all continue and have to continue to learn. 22:24.055 --> 22:26.045 And if you ever think you've got it all right, 22:26.045 --> 22:28.428 it's probably time to do something else. 22:28.428 --> 22:30.476 Because there's no way that's possible. 22:30.476 --> 22:33.650 So I really applaud, probably took way too much time 22:33.650 --> 22:35.186 but I'm incredibly passionate. 22:35.186 --> 22:36.423 The thing that frustrates me, the reason 22:36.423 --> 22:39.241 I mention 30 years ago working on some of this stuff 22:39.241 --> 22:41.822 because naive Captain Brown back then as I 22:41.822 --> 22:45.215 was seeing the values of goal setting. 22:45.215 --> 22:48.088 The value of focus and concentration skills. 22:48.088 --> 22:50.801 The value of resilience, teaching 22:50.801 --> 22:52.606 resilience and how to be resilient. 22:52.606 --> 22:55.580 The value of these areas where you're pushing 22:55.580 --> 22:58.378 and you're not telling someone how to suck the egg, 22:58.378 --> 23:00.170 you're saying here's what I want you to accomplish 23:00.170 --> 23:01.491 and you figure out how to get there. 23:01.491 --> 23:04.430 Empowering people as I was saying I used it from 23:04.430 --> 23:08.763 the time I was a Captain up til to this present day. 23:09.660 --> 23:12.588 And it worked magnificently and I've seen I can go 23:12.588 --> 23:15.838 into organizations and see when they really understand 23:15.838 --> 23:18.684 the big picture and they're working the people aspects 23:18.684 --> 23:21.175 and the key aspects beyond just pure physical, 23:21.175 --> 23:23.485 all the other aspect you can see it, 23:23.485 --> 23:26.143 the unit stands out above the others. 23:26.143 --> 23:29.289 Yet it hasn't caught on to the level 23:29.289 --> 23:33.102 that I imagined 30 years ago, cause it's kind of hard. 23:33.102 --> 23:36.692 In the beginning it was hard to prove why things worked. 23:36.692 --> 23:38.979 They're like goals, you knew they worked 23:38.979 --> 23:40.705 and successful people have goals 23:40.705 --> 23:42.499 but teaching soldiers how to set goals 23:42.499 --> 23:44.628 and first line supervisors working well 23:44.628 --> 23:46.629 now I can actually show, pinpoint points of the, 23:46.629 --> 23:48.676 Pete Palmer knows very well, 23:48.676 --> 23:52.181 pinpoint specific points of the brain that work 23:52.181 --> 23:54.881 based on goals and how that works 23:54.881 --> 23:56.995 so you can prove how it works and why. 23:56.995 --> 23:59.546 So we're not guessing anymore, but there's still the uh, 23:59.546 --> 24:01.184 a lot of this stuff, 24:01.184 --> 24:05.063 you know folks want, it's much easier you know 24:05.063 --> 24:08.889 again to be able to prove my two mile run time got faster 24:08.889 --> 24:11.794 because I did intervals, you know and that's not saying 24:11.794 --> 24:13.030 that's not important don't get me wrong, 24:13.030 --> 24:14.787 but it's the whole picture. 24:14.787 --> 24:18.014 The whole soldier and the whole potential. 24:18.014 --> 24:20.623 And it is our advantage and I never worry 24:20.623 --> 24:24.456 that we're gonna be outproduced, out equipped, 24:25.380 --> 24:27.604 I do worry that we're gonna be out imagined. 24:27.604 --> 24:29.541 Somebody's gonna out imagine us 24:29.541 --> 24:31.933 because that's happened before, 24:31.933 --> 24:33.588 every time we've tried to predict what's 24:33.588 --> 24:35.373 gonna happen in the future we've been wrong. 24:35.373 --> 24:37.680 So we gotta work those aspects and the 24:37.680 --> 24:40.301 best ideas will come from the cutting edge. 24:40.301 --> 24:44.634 So Dan sorry to steal the show there, any questions? 24:47.288 --> 24:50.060 Anybody has for me or you got a good group in here, 24:50.060 --> 24:51.399 looking at this group there's some folks that they're, 24:51.399 --> 24:54.073 they've been living what I'm talking about here 24:54.073 --> 24:56.632 for many years so you got a bunch of experts in here. 24:56.632 --> 25:00.872 From the institute of creative technology Dr. Randy Hill, 25:00.872 --> 25:02.556 Pete Palmer, you know just 25:02.556 --> 25:04.508 incredible across the board folks. 25:04.508 --> 25:06.134 So and a brigade commander knows 25:06.134 --> 25:07.398 what he's talking about sitting over here. 25:07.398 --> 25:10.396 So I'm gonna shut up now and enjoy as much of this 25:10.396 --> 25:11.865 as I can before the next event. 25:11.865 --> 25:14.943 But thanks for being here and I would say you're very smart 25:14.943 --> 25:17.847 to be here because it is the key to success, 25:17.847 --> 25:20.179 those trusted teams of professionals 25:20.179 --> 25:21.656 that thrive in ambiguity and chaos. 25:21.656 --> 25:23.527 How do you get there it is a different way to educate, 25:23.527 --> 25:24.995 different way to train. 25:24.995 --> 25:27.403 It's the basics when you look you know 25:27.403 --> 25:29.517 from when I was sitting where many of you are. 25:29.517 --> 25:32.392 Move, shoot and communicate you know 25:32.392 --> 25:34.999 a little bit different than today, 25:34.999 --> 25:37.156 you know moving massive distances, 25:37.156 --> 25:39.883 you're communicating using satellites, 25:39.883 --> 25:42.202 you're you know when you look at 25:42.202 --> 25:45.035 there's nobody out there that's making it easy 25:45.035 --> 25:47.447 on even who the enemy is, where the enemy is 25:47.447 --> 25:49.934 and have everything from gray zone operations 25:49.934 --> 25:53.851 to not quite the level of war just short of it, 25:54.898 --> 25:58.315 to full blown operations that book beyond 25:59.709 --> 26:01.427 anything we could ever imagine. 26:01.427 --> 26:04.642 So I wish I could tell ya it's getting less complex, 26:04.642 --> 26:06.817 it's gonna get easier, I'll tell you it's getting 26:06.817 --> 26:08.622 more complex and it's only going to continue. 26:08.622 --> 26:12.084 So the smart on you being here because it'll help ya 26:12.084 --> 26:14.985 no matter what you're working in your future. 26:14.985 --> 26:15.818 Thanks. 26:21.206 --> 26:23.092 - Thanks for that sir and that was completely uncoordinated, 26:23.092 --> 26:24.781 unscripted so he said the exact same thing I did, 26:24.781 --> 26:27.050 which is you gotta be better than Captain Wilson was. 26:27.050 --> 26:28.689 So we gotta figure that out. 26:28.689 --> 26:30.863 So where we were sir was we, 26:30.863 --> 26:35.676 we talked about how those strategic guidance and vision 26:35.676 --> 26:37.784 is talking to us about what we want. 26:37.784 --> 26:40.196 Well we're here to figure out in the 26:40.196 --> 26:42.051 junior leader challenges how do we do that. 26:42.051 --> 26:45.246 And this is not just a Army problem, it's a joint problem. 26:45.246 --> 26:47.074 Every service, every country is wrestling 26:47.074 --> 26:50.394 with how to optimize human performance, 26:50.394 --> 26:52.374 soldier, leader and team performance. 26:52.374 --> 26:55.136 And we welcome when we said we need that voice. 26:55.136 --> 26:59.053 We need to do it as a join coalition community. 27:00.686 --> 27:02.553 Three domains of the human dimension. 27:02.553 --> 27:05.669 Physical, cognitive and you can argue 27:05.669 --> 27:08.707 social, spiritual, cultural. 27:08.707 --> 27:11.021 Pete and I had lunch yesterday and he said 27:11.021 --> 27:13.390 it's a belief system, I think that's a great thing. 27:13.390 --> 27:17.424 But all encompassed by the ability to do the right thing. 27:17.424 --> 27:19.422 Very important in this. 27:19.422 --> 27:22.075 And so this, I just have this star in here. 27:22.075 --> 27:24.022 This is one of our slides from our standard command brief. 27:24.022 --> 27:26.169 Pretty small team with the Green Book team. 27:26.169 --> 27:28.688 We have primarily focused on the gap areas 27:28.688 --> 27:30.802 that not a lot of people are going after. 27:30.802 --> 27:33.826 The cognitive side, and the cultural the social side. 27:33.826 --> 27:36.228 I absolutely believe that one of the discussions 27:36.228 --> 27:37.854 we need to have with the senior leaders in the Army 27:37.854 --> 27:39.052 is that star needs to move into 27:39.052 --> 27:41.357 the nexus of all three of those domains. 27:41.357 --> 27:43.040 You can't talk one without talking the other. 27:43.040 --> 27:44.312 And we want to do that. 27:44.312 --> 27:46.566 And that's another reason why you guys are all here today. 27:46.566 --> 27:49.421 How do we o that down at the unit level? 27:49.421 --> 27:52.253 Okay very briefly on this slide because we're gonna talk 27:52.253 --> 27:54.114 about just about everything on this slide. 27:54.114 --> 27:55.475 For the last 18 months, General Brown 27:55.475 --> 27:58.658 chartered us to get after it in an infantryman's terms. 27:58.658 --> 28:00.720 He said hey we got all the documents and I 28:00.720 --> 28:03.198 want you guys to get after it and figure it out. 28:03.198 --> 28:05.878 Left and right limit was the army war fighting challenges. 28:05.878 --> 28:08.389 Improving soldier leader and team performance 28:08.389 --> 28:10.046 and developing agile adaptive leaders, 28:10.046 --> 28:13.083 that is a really, that is about a 360 degree range fan. 28:13.083 --> 28:13.963 And we've ran with it. 28:13.963 --> 28:16.761 We've broken it down into four different lines of effort. 28:16.761 --> 28:18.871 And that's the subject of our questions today 28:18.871 --> 28:23.356 and our discussion today so I won't stay on this. 28:23.356 --> 28:25.004 One of the most important things we did though 28:25.004 --> 28:26.946 and whenever you do something where you try to figure out 28:26.946 --> 28:28.437 what you wanna accomplish you start with 28:28.437 --> 28:30.266 the end state and work your way back. 28:30.266 --> 28:31.099 The Green Book team sat down with a lot 28:31.099 --> 28:34.658 of good leaders up in the third brigade, 25th ID. 28:34.658 --> 28:37.214 The second brigade 25th ID. 28:37.214 --> 28:39.964 And we said okay what do you want your soldiers 28:39.964 --> 28:42.547 to look like at the end of this process. 28:42.547 --> 28:43.493 And this is where we come up with these 28:43.493 --> 28:45.852 behavioral outcomes on the left hand side. 28:45.852 --> 28:48.085 And then we started developing specific training 28:48.085 --> 28:50.732 enhancements or programs or interventions 28:50.732 --> 28:54.795 if you're a scientist is what you call it. 28:54.795 --> 28:56.788 What I'd like to do now, cause that's all we're gonna 28:56.788 --> 28:58.094 talk about that in the next segment 28:58.094 --> 28:59.243 but what I'd like to do now is 28:59.243 --> 29:02.096 introduce just a great friend of mine, 29:02.096 --> 29:05.337 but he's a current commander of the third brigade 25th ID. 29:05.337 --> 29:09.354 I think Rob has probably more combat time and more 29:09.354 --> 29:12.443 leadership time than any Colonel in the Army today, 29:12.443 --> 29:14.900 and I can't, he's been a great sponsor of the 29:14.900 --> 29:17.451 Soldier's Green Book project up in third brigade, 29:17.451 --> 29:19.021 and I'd like to just invite him to come up here 29:19.021 --> 29:22.771 and give his perspective on all of this, Rob. 29:28.545 --> 29:32.110 - General Brown team, thanks for giving me this opportunity. 29:32.110 --> 29:33.761 When I first got here I wasn't sure where to go. 29:33.761 --> 29:35.696 Dan was here and he commanded 29:35.696 --> 29:37.895 the brigade that I now command. 29:37.895 --> 29:40.364 And looking around coming out of the soft environment 29:40.364 --> 29:42.208 and trying to look at where the gaps and holes 29:42.208 --> 29:43.856 were in the human peformance. 29:43.856 --> 29:44.993 The question that I put together for myself 29:44.993 --> 29:47.067 and trying to take General Brown's guidance 29:47.067 --> 29:49.021 and then working with the Green Book team is, 29:49.021 --> 29:50.429 the question I've raised is, 29:50.429 --> 29:53.212 in a doctrine for the tactical and operations peak levels 29:53.212 --> 29:54.501 of war conceptionalized battles will form 29:54.501 --> 29:56.441 it gives us an idea, right? 29:56.441 --> 29:59.243 It represents an attempt to shape, model and bring order 29:59.243 --> 30:01.294 to fundamentally chaotic human behavior. 30:01.294 --> 30:02.688 How do I get this? 30:02.688 --> 30:04.671 It provides us with a means to understand war, 30:04.671 --> 30:06.455 but in search of order we exclude 30:06.455 --> 30:08.568 the powerful influence of human behavior. 30:08.568 --> 30:10.208 And that's really where Dan and I spent some time 30:10.208 --> 30:12.756 and some nights really discussing how do we get after 30:12.756 --> 30:15.208 the human behavior part of this? 30:15.208 --> 30:16.592 The Marshall code up there is one 30:16.592 --> 30:18.409 that I found interesting because I'm a big 30:18.409 --> 30:20.071 Marshall is 11 principles and developed 30:20.071 --> 30:23.890 our Army from 1939 into the war period of 1942. 30:23.890 --> 30:26.425 The Army gives values but I always go you 30:26.425 --> 30:28.510 view values with principled approaches. 30:28.510 --> 30:30.653 You can't do values in stand alone approaches. 30:30.653 --> 30:32.724 So as Dan and I built this together, 30:32.724 --> 30:34.540 I looked at how I can employ and 30:34.540 --> 30:35.662 do things a little bit differently. 30:35.662 --> 30:37.955 Growing up, I'm a Ranger regiment guy 30:37.955 --> 30:40.074 by trade I guess 20 years there. 30:40.074 --> 30:41.533 Dan and I served together so don't 30:41.533 --> 30:43.726 question my judgment cause I know Dan, 30:43.726 --> 30:48.512 but how do I get after, how do I get people centric 30:48.512 --> 30:50.708 as General Brown says, how do I get after this. 30:50.708 --> 30:52.743 And as we took this on I looked at 30:52.743 --> 30:55.623 a young inspiring staff officer that I had, 30:55.623 --> 30:58.111 that I call it has an athletic mind. 30:58.111 --> 31:01.054 Really an athletic mind, how do I get after things. 31:01.054 --> 31:03.503 He did play a sport in college I looked at him 31:03.503 --> 31:05.432 as he's going into command that a young ranger 31:05.432 --> 31:07.911 first sergeant coming into the bill at the same time. 31:07.911 --> 31:09.859 And I go what an opportunity to take 31:09.859 --> 31:13.009 some cognitive reason and place it against 31:13.009 --> 31:15.904 both technological and the physical world, 31:15.904 --> 31:18.369 virtual physical paradigm, tie them together 31:18.369 --> 31:23.202 and get after this dimension of the human behavior aspect. 31:24.181 --> 31:25.609 So what did we do differently? 31:25.609 --> 31:28.074 And I'll come up with a few things because some of them 31:28.074 --> 31:30.259 are some risks, guys I'll be honest with you. 31:30.259 --> 31:33.705 So live fires now I'll start with there, 31:33.705 --> 31:34.818 because I'm an infantryman. 31:34.818 --> 31:37.481 So the core part of what we do with live fire is right, 31:37.481 --> 31:41.069 dry fire, blank fire, you know go live right? 31:41.069 --> 31:43.869 So we blank fired from team level on up. 31:43.869 --> 31:46.455 A different target than we assaulted. 31:46.455 --> 31:48.782 Similar, yet different. 31:48.782 --> 31:51.192 Cause I'm preparing people for combat. 31:51.192 --> 31:53.070 Why is that important? 31:53.070 --> 31:56.001 We bring that up because every time you go to combat 31:56.001 --> 31:58.072 everybody thinks that thing happen at combat speed. 31:58.072 --> 31:59.887 Those that have been there understand 31:59.887 --> 32:03.855 that deliberacy is violence at action. 32:03.855 --> 32:05.568 We think for some reason how fast 32:05.568 --> 32:07.632 you go is violence at action. 32:07.632 --> 32:09.973 So getting folks to understand in the live fire, 32:09.973 --> 32:13.246 not just at competence in competence to weapons system, 32:13.246 --> 32:14.340 but the leadership decisions. 32:14.340 --> 32:16.607 Now I use that as an example because policy letter seven 32:16.607 --> 32:19.864 which the Army kind of took on from the Ranger regiment 32:19.864 --> 32:22.436 of the 80's, kind of became how we do things. 32:22.436 --> 32:24.808 We didn't go back and question ourselves, 32:24.808 --> 32:26.391 well how do we lead things? 32:26.391 --> 32:28.693 How do I develop that adaptive agile leader? 32:28.693 --> 32:31.214 What risk am I willing to take and sign on to 32:31.214 --> 32:34.036 as a commander to do it a little bit differently. 32:34.036 --> 32:36.039 That was one example that we took on. 32:36.039 --> 32:37.895 The second example we took on 32:37.895 --> 32:40.466 was the mental aspect part. 32:40.466 --> 32:42.733 So when have you as a leader sat down 32:42.733 --> 32:45.555 one on one whether it's cerigo or with a psychologist 32:45.555 --> 32:48.961 and got how you receive information. 32:48.961 --> 32:50.998 What opportunity did you get to 32:50.998 --> 32:53.190 sit down and go this is what I do. 32:53.190 --> 32:55.761 So when I got here I'll let that first sergeant 32:55.761 --> 32:56.937 and the platoon sergeant talk a little while 32:56.937 --> 32:58.523 and they're here to talk to you guys, 32:58.523 --> 33:01.194 is I said I want to do cerigo down at this level. 33:01.194 --> 33:03.946 I want to use this opportunity with a disc assessment 33:03.946 --> 33:06.875 and other apt devices to figure out 33:06.875 --> 33:09.735 how to communicate and how to crosstalk. 33:09.735 --> 33:12.598 And General McChrystal says it well in his book, 33:12.598 --> 33:15.026 we are a, we have connectivity in our society, 33:15.026 --> 33:17.132 but that doesn't mean you're connected to human beings. 33:17.132 --> 33:21.146 There's a big difference between information and knowledge. 33:21.146 --> 33:25.167 An infiltration process is usually tied to maturity. 33:25.167 --> 33:27.137 It's also tied to the speed that 33:27.137 --> 33:28.743 you can receive the information. 33:28.743 --> 33:30.668 So as I did that with Alpha company, 33:30.668 --> 33:32.864 what I do every six months is I do 33:32.864 --> 33:34.073 a Mungadai program with my leaders. 33:34.073 --> 33:35.855 Usually commanders and First Sergeants at my level 33:35.855 --> 33:38.383 but it echoed down all the way down to platoon leaders 33:38.383 --> 33:40.403 and platoon sergeants in my battalions. 33:40.403 --> 33:43.179 And before we went out I brought the psych up from Tripler. 33:43.179 --> 33:45.960 And his team residents and they sat down 33:45.960 --> 33:48.550 with every field grade company commander, 33:48.550 --> 33:51.958 Sergeant Major and First Sergeant in the brigade 33:51.958 --> 33:53.542 and gave them a self assessment. 33:53.542 --> 33:55.514 They actually had someone go, 33:55.514 --> 33:57.772 this is how you receive information Wilson. 33:57.772 --> 34:00.072 This is what you do, this is how you think. 34:00.072 --> 34:02.842 You're an active thinker, you're a reactive thinker. 34:02.842 --> 34:05.450 There's some things that people that served 34:05.450 --> 34:08.683 for up to 20 years had never been told. 34:08.683 --> 34:09.975 And I look back and go, that's when I 34:09.975 --> 34:12.033 started to see a change in my brigade. 34:12.033 --> 34:15.032 And yet to get to mission command at the chief, 34:15.032 --> 34:18.165 or General Brown talks about I go back, 34:18.165 --> 34:19.797 it's trust I go back no it's cohesion. 34:19.797 --> 34:21.797 You go back to cohesion. 34:22.761 --> 34:25.241 Cause what makes a good unit better? 34:25.241 --> 34:29.250 That's a cohesive stake of understanding how my boss 34:29.250 --> 34:32.040 or how my peer or how this report 34:32.040 --> 34:34.402 in the OP goes back to the platoon, 34:34.402 --> 34:37.048 and the time on target that they're gonna send rounds. 34:37.048 --> 34:39.042 In that piece is where I saw some success. 34:39.042 --> 34:41.236 And I'll give my JRTC story. 34:41.236 --> 34:43.233 So I did JRTC as a brigade. 34:43.233 --> 34:45.319 I struggled in upper TI. 34:45.319 --> 34:47.447 If you didn't know, Louisiana has a monsoon season. 34:47.447 --> 34:49.533 And I showed up there during monsoon season. 34:49.533 --> 34:51.750 So if I have any aviators in here I love you to death 34:51.750 --> 34:53.298 but you didn't fly an hour for me. 34:53.298 --> 34:55.262 I love you to death. 34:55.262 --> 34:57.746 So ISR, nothing, zero. 34:57.746 --> 34:59.667 But I have a RSTA, right? 34:59.667 --> 35:01.309 I got a whole battalion. 35:01.309 --> 35:04.078 The only way that I could understand what my enemy was doing 35:04.078 --> 35:06.418 and Jimmy Hathaway with Geronimo 6, 35:06.418 --> 35:08.274 was to maintain pressure on him. 35:08.274 --> 35:10.248 So Shawn Brown and my RSTA were in contact 35:10.248 --> 35:15.141 12 out of 12 days in the box about every hour in the box. 35:15.141 --> 35:17.807 I could trust him, I could provide the resources necessary. 35:17.807 --> 35:19.715 Like provide the fires, I could provide 35:19.715 --> 35:24.034 additional assault elements in order for me to establish 35:24.034 --> 35:27.203 and execute my intent to my to maneuver. 35:27.203 --> 35:29.453 It's important that I give you that 35:29.453 --> 35:31.247 story because what didn't I use? 35:31.247 --> 35:33.801 So this is an interesting story when you talk about it. 35:33.801 --> 35:36.629 As I go back to it I am a white board human being. 35:36.629 --> 35:39.199 In my office there was a large white board. 35:39.199 --> 35:41.168 You come in you write on the white board, 35:41.168 --> 35:43.146 you've successfully communicated with me, okay? 35:43.146 --> 35:46.995 Alright so and I need that, cause I'm conceptual. 35:46.995 --> 35:48.905 The interpersonal thing works, 35:48.905 --> 35:51.724 the conceptual for me is a bit better. 35:51.724 --> 35:53.778 At JRTC my battle were those two meetings. 35:53.778 --> 35:58.439 In the gwat because of small wars equal big meetings, 35:58.439 --> 36:00.435 the average meeting cycle for 36:00.435 --> 36:02.779 Jsock unit was about 14 meetings a day. 36:02.779 --> 36:04.724 And don't get me wrong, they're synchronizing a lot of 36:04.724 --> 36:06.541 assets and a lot of bigger things than a brigade does. 36:06.541 --> 36:09.475 So my meetings a day were okay targeting meeting, 36:09.475 --> 36:13.215 a bub on FM and a bub at 1900 make sure the commanders 36:13.215 --> 36:15.205 knew what they were doing and I was getting 36:15.205 --> 36:17.836 the feedback necessary to provide them the resources. 36:17.836 --> 36:21.310 Three meetings a day, it drove JRTC nuts. 36:21.310 --> 36:23.052 I got asked three times in the box 36:23.052 --> 36:25.537 when are you going to develop a battle rhythm? 36:25.537 --> 36:26.703 I said I have one. 36:26.703 --> 36:31.230 I'm in Dade operations and I am not doing gwat type stuff. 36:31.230 --> 36:34.289 A company, and A company's ability up north when I 36:34.289 --> 36:37.019 utilized them to box was paying off because I could, 36:37.019 --> 36:38.927 I could take a team that could 36:38.927 --> 36:42.594 take complexity and turn it into simplicity. 36:43.582 --> 36:45.420 By not making a 10 minute radio call. 36:45.420 --> 36:47.689 By functioning on and getting information 36:47.689 --> 36:49.701 back through the battalion down the brigade 36:49.701 --> 36:51.730 based on their ability to clearly articulate 36:51.730 --> 36:54.074 the intent of the commander, myself, 36:54.074 --> 36:56.251 the action that was happening and the 36:56.251 --> 36:58.770 resources necessary to achieve the objective. 36:58.770 --> 37:01.219 And I look at that and you look at that 37:01.219 --> 37:03.944 Ooda loop if you will if you want to be Boyding 37:03.944 --> 37:05.311 which I think a lot of us are. 37:05.311 --> 37:07.430 That is something that I saw in that company, 37:07.430 --> 37:10.042 I didn't see across the board in all my companies. 37:10.042 --> 37:12.991 But what I saw was my field graze of my other teams was 37:12.991 --> 37:17.839 the ability to understand how to communicate effectively. 37:17.839 --> 37:19.663 The second thing that I'll hit and I'll it with a bit 37:19.663 --> 37:22.424 of technology because I wrestle with this. 37:22.424 --> 37:24.762 And Dan and I are a little bit at odds on this. 37:24.762 --> 37:27.198 And General Brown may be at odds with it too. 37:27.198 --> 37:29.015 I am not a technical guy. 37:29.015 --> 37:31.588 I'm going to go work for Pete Gallagher sir 37:31.588 --> 37:33.874 up at future scheme man as you know. 37:33.874 --> 37:36.804 And if you're in my brigade and you have a cellphone 37:36.804 --> 37:39.273 you usually get yelled at, I'm just being honest okay? 37:39.273 --> 37:40.763 I'm a focus guy. 37:40.763 --> 37:43.629 And I'm a focus guy because that's how we learn. 37:43.629 --> 37:45.423 So I'm looking and I'm going, 37:45.423 --> 37:47.300 and I'm looking at all these vendors. 37:47.300 --> 37:48.828 All these vendors are out there oh scratch this guy, 37:48.828 --> 37:49.945 take him off our list, right? 37:49.945 --> 37:52.230 And I look at technology become a way to improve warfare 37:52.230 --> 37:55.157 capability I completely agree with that. 37:55.157 --> 37:57.994 Leaders been forced to place more emphasis 37:57.994 --> 38:00.780 in design development operation repair of equipment 38:00.780 --> 38:03.280 unless time on leadership day. 38:04.401 --> 38:05.441 So there's a paradigm there. 38:05.441 --> 38:07.961 I'm increasing at what, maybe my capability is, 38:07.961 --> 38:10.141 but am I really increasing my capability 38:10.141 --> 38:13.740 if I lose the ability to leverage that technology. 38:13.740 --> 38:16.470 Because when I lose that ability it comes out to what? 38:16.470 --> 38:19.720 Commanders guidance, commanders intent. 38:20.562 --> 38:23.703 Can I operate off what my key tasks are? 38:23.703 --> 38:25.518 Did I achieve my mission objective? 38:25.518 --> 38:27.725 That's one of the things that we reiterate a lot. 38:27.725 --> 38:31.003 The technology piece I wrestled with because we did take 38:31.003 --> 38:33.330 some apps and we put them in Alpha Company and it was good. 38:33.330 --> 38:36.479 We had crosstalk coming up from young team leaders 38:36.479 --> 38:38.636 to their First Sergeant to the Platoon Leaders, 38:38.636 --> 38:40.593 in order to provide feedback. 38:40.593 --> 38:42.530 It allowed a young company commander 38:42.530 --> 38:44.991 whose very good to see himself much better. 38:44.991 --> 38:47.200 In fact change how he engages his 38:47.200 --> 38:50.463 First Sergeant whose sitting back here, and his force. 38:50.463 --> 38:52.764 Because he's a direct A, he's an 38:52.764 --> 38:54.305 alpha male that is a former linebacker. 38:54.305 --> 38:57.572 So like most of us, he plays, he plays 38:57.572 --> 39:00.993 leadership like a linebacker, no I told you to do it. 39:00.993 --> 39:03.188 Okay well sometimes you gotta deliver the why a little bit. 39:03.188 --> 39:05.305 You gotta create understanding, 39:05.305 --> 39:07.306 because that understanding does what to cohesion? 39:07.306 --> 39:08.780 Helps solidify the team. 39:08.780 --> 39:11.516 Cohesion has that two factor right? 39:11.516 --> 39:14.182 It can take a bad unit and make them better, 39:14.182 --> 39:17.457 it can take a good unit if you don't have cohesion, 39:17.457 --> 39:19.023 it can make it worse. 39:19.023 --> 39:20.568 Now we saw with Alpha Company was an increase 39:20.568 --> 39:23.985 on the betterment of soldier performance. 39:26.202 --> 39:28.091 The network piece of this and as I come back and leverage in 39:28.091 --> 39:31.608 that technology was the constant feedback 39:31.608 --> 39:34.016 that comes from technology I do like. 39:34.016 --> 39:36.929 The ability to crosstalk, take the technology 39:36.929 --> 39:38.894 and the information and allow a 39:38.894 --> 39:41.970 complete understanding of how to do it. 39:41.970 --> 39:44.720 As really General Brown hits, we have so much 39:44.720 --> 39:46.862 information coming down what's important? 39:46.862 --> 39:49.063 What you saw where the apparatus again 39:49.063 --> 39:51.427 had given Alpha company, is that the Dan? 39:51.427 --> 39:53.612 Was they filtered it the right way. 39:53.612 --> 39:56.781 So you had leaders filtering the right information 39:56.781 --> 39:58.757 to get it to the right point so young sergeants, 39:58.757 --> 40:00.807 team leaders, staff sergeants, 40:00.807 --> 40:02.698 platoon sergeants could take action. 40:02.698 --> 40:04.527 And that's where we need to get to. 40:04.527 --> 40:06.388 I still think we're a little distracted too much 40:06.388 --> 40:08.687 in our society, I think we have to develop focus. 40:08.687 --> 40:13.687 But that was one of the things we saw greatly increase. 40:13.818 --> 40:16.372 One of the things that I talk about with our guys 40:16.372 --> 40:20.019 is if you take a board and you wrote chaos on the left, 40:20.019 --> 40:22.342 put confusion to the right of that, 40:22.342 --> 40:24.505 to the right of that put understanding, 40:24.505 --> 40:26.269 and over here put control. 40:26.269 --> 40:28.539 So we are always fighting for control. 40:28.539 --> 40:31.216 Every leader wants control. 40:31.216 --> 40:33.681 And we want our enemy to be in chaos. 40:33.681 --> 40:37.175 What I've seen and we need to focus on with the human 40:37.175 --> 40:42.175 development piece is how do we get if in chaos to control. 40:42.783 --> 40:44.293 One of the tools Dan and I talked about 40:44.293 --> 40:47.039 on numerous occasions is, what if we look at the 40:47.039 --> 40:49.035 virtual world the physical world 40:49.035 --> 40:50.711 as I talked about live fires, 40:50.711 --> 40:52.634 maybe the best way to train chaos 40:52.634 --> 40:54.776 is in the virtual spectrum. 40:54.776 --> 40:57.674 And I would leave that physical spectrum 40:57.674 --> 41:00.970 for the ability to develop depth and character 41:00.970 --> 41:03.320 of the force and culture that I wanna do, 41:03.320 --> 41:05.502 whether it be whatever that MOS may be 41:05.502 --> 41:07.575 and that team and that functionality may be 41:07.575 --> 41:09.365 within' that small unit action. 41:09.365 --> 41:10.997 Maybe that's the paradigm we build to. 41:10.997 --> 41:12.353 We gotta make a cut to go how do we do that? 41:12.353 --> 41:15.791 Cause you can't replicate being out in the Kahookoos 41:15.791 --> 41:18.453 at 85 degrees, rain coming down sideways in a live fire. 41:18.453 --> 41:23.453 But I can replicate the decisions the young platoon leader 41:23.532 --> 41:26.494 or young company commander, young platoon sergeant 41:26.494 --> 41:29.087 may have to make because all of a sudden 41:29.087 --> 41:31.573 two things have gone wrong on a target. 41:31.573 --> 41:34.097 Or the enemies not where I thought he would be. 41:34.097 --> 41:36.341 So we've had some success in doing that. 41:36.341 --> 41:39.677 Here I'll pass on to a colony, I'll just conclude with this. 41:39.677 --> 41:41.177 Improving soldier. 41:42.948 --> 41:46.786 Improving our soldier performance in their cognitivity's 41:46.786 --> 41:51.011 been something we've watched increase incrementally 41:51.011 --> 41:54.992 and leveraging our ability to make it holistic 41:54.992 --> 41:58.412 in the company has made our brigade better. 41:58.412 --> 42:00.895 It's made 235 better as a battalion. 42:00.895 --> 42:02.937 And it's been interesting enough where I've had other 42:02.937 --> 42:06.015 companies come to me hey can we do more of this? 42:06.015 --> 42:08.847 And I think that's the part where we're at right now, 42:08.847 --> 42:10.594 how do we get after this, 42:10.594 --> 42:12.630 how do we do this it so it's cost effective for the Army? 42:12.630 --> 42:14.511 How do we get it so it's leadership 42:14.511 --> 42:16.531 effective for the rest of us? 42:16.531 --> 42:18.922 And we get leaders as they grow to experience 42:18.922 --> 42:23.153 taking chaos into control and even control into chaos 42:23.153 --> 42:26.048 as they apply your force against the enemy. 42:26.048 --> 42:28.848 Thanks for the opportunity Dan. 42:28.848 --> 42:31.848 (audience clapping) 42:33.395 --> 42:35.901 - Okay thanks Rob, great remarks. 42:35.901 --> 42:38.295 And I will tell you one of the things I would just say 42:38.295 --> 42:40.361 is have those discussions, okay? 42:40.361 --> 42:42.185 He and I go to the beach all the time, 42:42.185 --> 42:44.216 we go mountain biking and we were taking a break on the 42:44.216 --> 42:46.830 Kahookoo pill boxes, we're talking about this. 42:46.830 --> 42:48.643 And I think that's the professionalism 42:48.643 --> 42:50.424 that General Brown was mentioning. 42:50.424 --> 42:51.257 That's the level we gotta get to. 42:51.257 --> 42:53.879 We gotta be having these discussions all of the time. 42:53.879 --> 42:55.559 So this is what we want to talk about and I realize 42:55.559 --> 42:57.224 a lot of this has been one way, 42:57.224 --> 42:58.438 I want to switch that around. 42:58.438 --> 43:00.972 I want to hear what my young leaders here think. 43:00.972 --> 43:03.008 We're gonna break this down in 43:03.008 --> 43:05.017 about four different subjects, 43:05.017 --> 43:07.342 which are right in the line with our lines of effort 43:07.342 --> 43:09.320 within the Soldiers Green Book program. 43:09.320 --> 43:11.860 But can we optimize soldier performance? 43:11.860 --> 43:13.473 Cognitive performance? 43:13.473 --> 43:15.423 How do we accelerate growth? 43:15.423 --> 43:17.297 How do we make every event an 43:17.297 --> 43:19.964 active process visa passive one? 43:21.722 --> 43:24.135 I'm gonna talk a little bit of what I've found lately, 43:24.135 --> 43:26.675 young leaders don't know Boyd's Ooda loop theory. 43:26.675 --> 43:27.947 How many people here do not 43:27.947 --> 43:30.109 know about John Boyd's Ooda loop? 43:30.109 --> 43:32.069 Most of you guys do, okay good. 43:32.069 --> 43:34.048 So I won't have to explain it to you. 43:34.048 --> 43:36.916 But how do we speed that cycle of decision making up with 43:36.916 --> 43:39.782 young leaders who have and soldiers who have no experience? 43:39.782 --> 43:41.955 So they can't observe and orient quickly, 43:41.955 --> 43:44.365 or as quickly as they possibly can. 43:44.365 --> 43:47.496 And I love Sergeant Major Spadaro's comment, 43:47.496 --> 43:48.559 that's coming from him. 43:48.559 --> 43:50.251 How do we teach them to make good 43:50.251 --> 43:52.034 strategic decisions in a nano second? 43:52.034 --> 43:53.953 And then the last thing is, how do we leverage 43:53.953 --> 43:55.900 emerging technologies to do all the above 43:55.900 --> 43:56.849 with all the issues that 43:56.849 --> 43:59.016 Colonel Ryan so appropriately brought up? 43:59.016 --> 44:00.535 Right, so here's our first topic guys. 44:00.535 --> 44:03.395 And I'm gonna put Captain Dave Zelaya on the spot, 44:03.395 --> 44:06.122 Borzoi company commander my beloved wolfhounds. 44:06.122 --> 44:07.354 Dave talk to me about your 44:07.354 --> 44:09.537 company physical training program. 44:09.537 --> 44:13.954 What's your focus this week, or what's your personal, 44:17.002 --> 44:21.006 wait he's gonna give you a mic if you hold on. 44:21.006 --> 44:23.434 If you don't have one you're relieved alright? 44:23.434 --> 44:25.030 But what's your PT program Dave, 44:25.030 --> 44:30.002 how do you tackle physical training in borzoi company? 44:30.002 --> 44:34.502 - [Dave] Well in Borzoi, so Dan specifically in Borzoi 44:38.396 --> 44:41.998 My specific intent coming out of a month and a half 44:41.998 --> 44:44.736 on the field was we need to rebuild our base. 44:44.736 --> 44:46.381 - Okay. 44:46.381 --> 44:49.700 - [Dave] We have soldiers that can continue to endure. 44:49.700 --> 44:52.674 And then from there once we rebuilt our base, 44:52.674 --> 44:56.092 we can then refine that base to get after whatever 44:56.092 --> 44:59.494 specific task we want to improve on for our mission, 44:59.494 --> 45:03.033 whether that be JRTC, deployment on pathways 45:03.033 --> 45:04.943 or whatever the mission is. 45:04.943 --> 45:08.258 But for this week the boys are getting after rebuilding. 45:08.258 --> 45:10.430 - So just general conditioning or recovery? 45:10.430 --> 45:12.497 - [Dave] Exactly. 45:12.497 --> 45:14.048 - So now here's my other question, 45:14.048 --> 45:15.658 what's your cognitive training 45:15.658 --> 45:17.224 plan within' the company this week? 45:17.224 --> 45:19.755 How are you improving soldiers skill at cognitive abilities 45:19.755 --> 45:22.755 or social acuity or cultural acuity? 45:24.956 --> 45:27.246 - [Dave] Well Dan I think the most important part of 45:27.246 --> 45:31.680 building cognitive acuity is looking at yourself. 45:31.680 --> 45:33.851 So specifically in Borzoi coming after again 45:33.851 --> 45:36.598 squad live fires and platoon sticks seeing ourselves, 45:36.598 --> 45:40.798 so Leiutenant Keely one of my platoon leaders here 45:40.798 --> 45:44.261 a standard we have in the company is they do AR's. 45:44.261 --> 45:46.897 I don't care if those AR's are on a napkin, 45:46.897 --> 45:48.734 I don't care if they're typed up in a memo, 45:48.734 --> 45:52.016 but we do them and then at the end of the week I see them. 45:52.016 --> 45:54.856 So I think being able to see ourselves and young soldiers 45:54.856 --> 45:57.880 thinking critically about what just happened to us 45:57.880 --> 46:00.776 is one technique that we utilize to build cognitive ability. 46:00.776 --> 46:02.443 - Okay, good answer. 46:03.814 --> 46:05.254 You have you all an adaptive leader right there. 46:05.254 --> 46:07.433 I heard I don't have one, but I heard AR's 46:07.433 --> 46:09.880 but that's what I heard Dave, I'm just joking. 46:09.880 --> 46:11.076 So I mean my question though is 46:11.076 --> 46:12.572 do you have a specific thing? 46:12.572 --> 46:17.175 So let's say your PT program today was aerobic conditioning. 46:17.175 --> 46:20.508 Right tomorrow your program is strength. 46:21.350 --> 46:23.816 The next day now you're gonna do some variety and now 46:23.816 --> 46:27.256 you're gonna get an anerobic threshold tree. 46:27.256 --> 46:31.165 Are we doing that same level of sophistication 46:31.165 --> 46:33.646 with our cognitive training programs? 46:33.646 --> 46:36.705 - [Dave] I would honestly say we're not Dan. 46:36.705 --> 46:39.548 - That was my point that I was just trying to drive. 46:39.548 --> 46:41.070 That that's what we've gotta get to, guys. 46:41.070 --> 46:43.537 We have got to get to where we are thinking about 46:43.537 --> 46:45.710 how are we improving our brain just as much 46:45.710 --> 46:48.931 as we're talking about how to improve our strength 46:48.931 --> 46:51.437 or our anerobic threshold or whatever that is. 46:51.437 --> 46:54.486 And some of the things that we've done with the Green Book 46:54.486 --> 46:56.546 which I'll talk very quickly about, 46:56.546 --> 47:00.281 we're looking whether you can measure cognitive performance. 47:00.281 --> 47:03.247 So verbal working memories, spatial awareness, 47:03.247 --> 47:05.150 reaction time, processing speed. 47:05.150 --> 47:06.733 I can measure that. 47:07.735 --> 47:11.098 Now the question is can I give you a training program within 47:11.098 --> 47:13.577 your platoons and companies that allow you to do that? 47:13.577 --> 47:15.244 To get better at it? 47:16.267 --> 47:18.670 Who does not think that it's important to have 47:18.670 --> 47:22.003 high verbal working memory for soldiers? 47:23.056 --> 47:24.805 Do we know what our soldiers are, 47:24.805 --> 47:27.380 and I'm actually setting Pete up for success here, 47:27.380 --> 47:29.354 do we know what the verbal working memory 47:29.354 --> 47:32.286 of our soldiers is before they go out? 47:32.286 --> 47:34.952 Are we sending the right guy out to do 47:34.952 --> 47:37.567 the RSTA squadron commander? 47:37.567 --> 47:40.453 What's his, what's the scout out there 47:40.453 --> 47:42.460 that's doing observation for Bronco 6. 47:42.460 --> 47:44.240 What's his ability to remember what he sees 47:44.240 --> 47:47.390 and transmit that accurately back to the boss? 47:47.390 --> 47:49.223 Do we think like that? 47:50.133 --> 47:51.745 I'll tell, I don't know if they're on the line 47:51.745 --> 47:53.815 but Jack was out here and they sent a team out here 47:53.815 --> 47:56.770 to observe the Green Book and the specific aspects of that. 47:56.770 --> 47:59.967 I did a behavioral skills assessment that Janet 47:59.967 --> 48:02.846 will talk about a little bit on the team leader. 48:02.846 --> 48:04.811 Well I found out that he is a structured, 48:04.811 --> 48:07.132 he has a structured driving force. 48:07.132 --> 48:08.516 Not a receptive. 48:08.516 --> 48:11.053 I told him, I said you're gonna go back to Leavenworth 48:11.053 --> 48:13.011 and say this is all a waste of time 48:13.011 --> 48:14.815 because you're not receptive to new ideas. 48:14.815 --> 48:16.777 But that awareness of him was very helpful for who I should, 48:16.777 --> 48:19.043 how I should structure the conversation with him. 48:19.043 --> 48:21.210 This whole idea of serigo. 48:22.594 --> 48:25.451 How are we doing on white space in our company areas? 48:25.451 --> 48:28.471 Anybody First Sergeant Christian, First Sergeant Evercan, 48:28.471 --> 48:33.304 how are we doing on white space in our training calendars? 48:45.326 --> 48:48.057 - [Sergeant] So if you look at a training calendar within' 48:48.057 --> 48:50.523 third brigade you're not gonna see any white space really. 48:50.523 --> 48:53.983 For a while there we're coming back doing a mission, 48:53.983 --> 48:56.629 coming back and doing two days of recovery 48:56.629 --> 48:59.326 and then prepping for another mission. 48:59.326 --> 49:02.858 Going out to the field for a month or a week or two, 49:02.858 --> 49:05.735 coming back so not a whole lot of white space. 49:05.735 --> 49:09.532 Not a whole lot of opportunities for leaders 49:09.532 --> 49:12.391 at the younger level to plan training 49:12.391 --> 49:14.819 or to get after training that they want to do. 49:14.819 --> 49:18.135 - [Dan] So the proverbial 10 pounds of poop 49:18.135 --> 49:20.461 in a five pound bag, would that be accurate? 49:20.461 --> 49:22.162 - [Sergeant] Roger that, sir. 49:22.162 --> 49:24.003 - [Dan] So my question to you young 49:24.003 --> 49:25.308 leaders as I know 331 keeps growing. 49:25.308 --> 49:27.714 The Army's saying now you have to be cognitively sharp, 49:27.714 --> 49:30.236 culturally aware, physically strong. 49:30.236 --> 49:33.420 And yet we have no more white space in our calendar, 49:33.420 --> 49:35.244 so how are we going to leverage 49:35.244 --> 49:37.236 technology to be able to do that? 49:37.236 --> 49:38.965 And with the serigo platform what we've found 49:38.965 --> 49:41.054 is we can give somebody a smart phone, 49:41.054 --> 49:44.883 we can build a course for them and in three minutes a day 49:44.883 --> 49:47.387 we can improve their retention of knowledge 49:47.387 --> 49:50.212 three times higher than an average soldier. 49:50.212 --> 49:51.879 Three minutes a day. 49:54.530 --> 49:55.961 It goes back into the conversations 49:55.961 --> 49:58.050 that Colonel Ryan and I have had though. 49:58.050 --> 49:59.998 How do you ensure your soldiers are doing their 49:59.998 --> 50:01.494 cerebral memory retrieval practice 50:01.494 --> 50:04.989 and not looking at Snapchat or Instagram? 50:04.989 --> 50:06.419 It's something that we have to talk 50:06.419 --> 50:08.534 about as a population of leaders. 50:08.534 --> 50:09.648 It's something we've gotta fix. 50:09.648 --> 50:11.373 It's not going away, okay? 50:11.373 --> 50:16.123 So we can either leverage it or we can let it control us. 50:17.323 --> 50:18.808 This whole idea. 50:18.808 --> 50:22.662 We have olympic and professional caliber athletes 50:22.662 --> 50:25.284 doing performance enhancement techniques. 50:25.284 --> 50:27.448 Thought, energy and attention management 50:27.448 --> 50:30.999 to optimize performance before they go into a fixed event. 50:30.999 --> 50:32.955 Can we use those same techniques 50:32.955 --> 50:35.684 on soldiers on individual and collective tasks? 50:35.684 --> 50:37.601 I will tell you we can. 50:38.690 --> 50:40.125 This bottom picture is of Alpha 50:40.125 --> 50:41.731 company 235 out the mount site. 50:41.731 --> 50:45.005 We had guys that you own on Scoffield barracks. 50:45.005 --> 50:46.947 If you're in the 25th ID you own these guys. 50:46.947 --> 50:48.809 They teach resilience. 50:48.809 --> 50:51.547 But they're all, there's like 15 or 20 sport psychologists 50:51.547 --> 50:54.910 that are up there who can teach these things in your unit. 50:54.910 --> 50:58.601 So before I go into a stat or if I'm 50:58.601 --> 51:01.660 moving from last cover conceal to a breech point. 51:01.660 --> 51:05.288 How can I optimize performance for my soldiers? 51:05.288 --> 51:07.249 And there was a lot of, and I don't know 51:07.249 --> 51:09.224 have you got the mics up here still? 51:09.224 --> 51:10.568 If one of you guys wants to talk 51:10.568 --> 51:11.905 a little bit about how that went. 51:11.905 --> 51:14.775 - [Man] Yeah so when I got to walk through 51:14.775 --> 51:17.317 with the entire company I went with each team 51:17.317 --> 51:19.520 through these buildings and before each iteration 51:19.520 --> 51:22.385 the sports psychologist and those guys would talk to them. 51:22.385 --> 51:25.337 And it was really simple drills, 51:25.337 --> 51:27.372 right down to just breathing. 51:27.372 --> 51:30.647 Just take your time, breathe before you make the next move, 51:30.647 --> 51:33.701 and we saw from start to finish all the way 51:33.701 --> 51:37.819 from team through squad every time they would stop, 51:37.819 --> 51:40.288 breathe and then you know like Colonel Ryan said earlier, 51:40.288 --> 51:42.228 be deliberate not necessarily fast. 51:42.228 --> 51:43.573 It was just being deliberate and thinking 51:43.573 --> 51:45.534 about the next move and taking their time. 51:45.534 --> 51:50.534 Their performance just in that one thing it was exponential. 51:50.843 --> 51:53.367 They did so much better with a lot more control 51:53.367 --> 51:55.591 and just flowed a lot more fluidly 51:55.591 --> 51:57.396 through the entire exercise. 51:57.396 --> 52:00.335 - [Dan] Thanks First Sergeant. 52:00.335 --> 52:02.271 But this is an asset that we have guys, 52:02.271 --> 52:04.102 it's a program go find them and get them 52:04.102 --> 52:05.782 and say we want you to come out. 52:05.782 --> 52:07.549 And we've been talking a lot with the brigade commanders 52:07.549 --> 52:09.135 about how do we leverage these guys 52:09.135 --> 52:11.168 into even getting better at what we're doing. 52:11.168 --> 52:12.926 The one thing I will say that breaks my heart 52:12.926 --> 52:16.627 every time I go into the shop I see lines of soldiers 52:16.627 --> 52:19.578 coming out the door after PT with a monster energy drink 52:19.578 --> 52:21.827 and a bag of beef jerky in their hand. 52:21.827 --> 52:24.288 And I'm like, are we really optimizing the body 52:24.288 --> 52:27.066 to think and be cognitively sharp. 52:27.066 --> 52:28.058 So are we tying it in? 52:28.058 --> 52:29.833 But the other challenge I have to the Army is 52:29.833 --> 52:31.675 hey I remember doing 4 days in an MRAP 52:31.675 --> 52:33.835 and taking 20 minute cat naps on the hood, 52:33.835 --> 52:36.150 you know on the dashboard of my MRAP. 52:36.150 --> 52:37.689 I can't get eight hours of sleep. 52:37.689 --> 52:38.980 I can't be fueling myself away, 52:38.980 --> 52:40.403 but we can try to figure out how to 52:40.403 --> 52:41.885 make those as good as we can. 52:41.885 --> 52:43.183 And how are we doing that? 52:43.183 --> 52:45.595 And that's something that we wanna move that into the realm 52:45.595 --> 52:47.476 of what the soldiers Green Book is doing. 52:47.476 --> 52:48.625 Right now we're not looking at any 52:48.625 --> 52:50.125 of the physical aspects of that. 52:50.125 --> 52:51.917 And the last thing is, what else can we do 52:51.917 --> 52:54.629 to be better for the next fight? 52:54.629 --> 52:56.418 And I'd like to introduce what we're 52:56.418 --> 52:57.993 calling our first thought provoker. 52:57.993 --> 52:58.826 They're not talking at you, 52:58.826 --> 53:00.273 they're just throwing out some ideas. 53:00.273 --> 53:03.011 And brigadier General retired Pete 30 plus years 53:03.011 --> 53:05.395 in the infantry commanding several levels. 53:05.395 --> 53:08.406 A former directive of the edge innovation 53:08.406 --> 53:09.995 network for general dynamics. 53:09.995 --> 53:13.062 And currently he retired what, last year Pete? 53:13.062 --> 53:15.460 You said you were done but he can't let go. 53:15.460 --> 53:17.137 He loves soldiers too much so what he's doing now 53:17.137 --> 53:19.715 is he's serving as a strategic advisor for serigo. 53:19.715 --> 53:23.305 Because as I do, we both believe in this technology 53:23.305 --> 53:24.907 will change the way the Army can learn. 53:24.907 --> 53:26.971 So with that Pete, I'd like to have you come up 53:26.971 --> 53:31.388 and talk to us about your idea for a soldier dashcam. 53:33.272 --> 53:35.028 - First of all just as a background real quick 53:35.028 --> 53:37.017 cause I wanna get in and tie in, 53:37.017 --> 53:39.638 cause it does go to decision making an first of all 53:39.638 --> 53:41.550 I'm kind of happy to see the soldier crowd here. 53:41.550 --> 53:44.342 So to be honest I'm going to ask your feedback 53:44.342 --> 53:46.651 either here or afterwards on this piece. 53:46.651 --> 53:50.778 Cause about 12 years ago I was involved at treydoc. 53:50.778 --> 53:55.487 You know come out of ADC and first ID to come in and you get 53:55.487 --> 53:58.858 pulled in to treydoc into this bureaucracy called arcig and 53:58.858 --> 54:02.322 develop capabilities which we're gonna have fun with. 54:02.322 --> 54:04.940 Okay it's all bureaucracy, but it's how the Army 54:04.940 --> 54:07.438 gets you stuff in capabilities. 54:07.438 --> 54:10.787 But the one thing General Wallace and I saw focused on 54:10.787 --> 54:12.905 is the war was less about stuff, it was more about humans. 54:12.905 --> 54:16.287 Both sides, both our own and those we work with. 54:16.287 --> 54:20.467 And so we developed the human dimension concepts. 54:20.467 --> 54:23.769 So we were directly involved with helping to write 54:23.769 --> 54:25.602 the original human dimension concept 54:25.602 --> 54:27.469 They've had an update but I also lead 54:27.469 --> 54:30.433 the capability development, again bureaucracy of where 54:30.433 --> 54:33.168 you write these documents to do this kind of stuff. 54:33.168 --> 54:35.638 So General Wallace turned to me and says 54:35.638 --> 54:37.574 "Now I want you to go develop those capabilities" 54:37.574 --> 54:40.096 and I'll just tell you I haven't succeeded on that. 54:40.096 --> 54:41.714 That's why I continue to work this, 54:41.714 --> 54:46.714 but he having then the core commander at NTC, the BCT, 54:46.834 --> 54:49.857 I got more rotations on any CTC than anybody. 54:49.857 --> 54:51.607 67 just at NTC alone. 54:53.027 --> 54:57.057 SO let's just say done a lot but it's heavy on the training. 54:57.057 --> 54:58.624 I understand the importance, 54:58.624 --> 55:02.485 the invalue of the small leaders making the decisions, 55:02.485 --> 55:05.240 so I appreciate all that piece but it 55:05.240 --> 55:07.100 gets down to how does that happen? 55:07.100 --> 55:08.994 How do I do mission command and how 55:08.994 --> 55:10.489 do I really measure that stuff? 55:10.489 --> 55:12.497 And General Wallace goes and he says look. 55:12.497 --> 55:14.350 I want you to go develop these capabilities 55:14.350 --> 55:16.790 and we all agree that the cognitive piece 55:16.790 --> 55:19.460 was the big gap area, and I'll add the belief systems too 55:19.460 --> 55:21.128 because that's actually, 55:21.128 --> 55:23.272 and everything happens in the brain okay 55:23.272 --> 55:26.646 We all had a heavy bias to the physical. 55:26.646 --> 55:30.441 I'll bet the one company commander probably spends 55:30.441 --> 55:33.798 easily 2 hours in physical if not more, okay? 55:33.798 --> 55:37.272 The key is we're all over the physical, 55:37.272 --> 55:40.993 but enhancing physical performance actually begins 55:40.993 --> 55:43.943 in the brain, because a muscle is just a muscle. 55:43.943 --> 55:47.302 The brain tells it to open, contract and expand. 55:47.302 --> 55:50.387 That's the physical, but it all happens in the brain. 55:50.387 --> 55:53.209 And you'll see in the sport sciences and I think 55:53.209 --> 55:54.838 you've got some that are working 55:54.838 --> 55:55.671 with your team and you'll see more. 55:55.671 --> 55:57.937 They are really going into how do I 55:57.937 --> 55:59.729 measure what's going on in the head. 55:59.729 --> 56:02.080 So General Wallace this is 12 years ago, walked and says 56:02.080 --> 56:05.134 look I want you to build a commanders ucoff. 56:05.134 --> 56:07.524 For those that don't know what a ucoff is, 56:07.524 --> 56:10.688 but it's a training system for those, 56:10.688 --> 56:12.151 for the tankers and heavy guys. 56:12.151 --> 56:14.991 But I want you to measure did they 56:14.991 --> 56:16.738 actually learn what we're training on. 56:16.738 --> 56:18.758 I want you to get them a lot of rotations 56:18.758 --> 56:20.298 which will get you experience, 56:20.298 --> 56:21.690 but I want you to measure learning. 56:21.690 --> 56:23.009 I go shoot sir, and I didn't use that word, 56:23.009 --> 56:26.696 but shoot sir, you know I don't know how to do that. 56:26.696 --> 56:29.529 So we got Darpa neuroscience and I'm gonna try 56:29.529 --> 56:31.765 and make anybody neuroscientists here, 56:31.765 --> 56:33.098 but we got Darpa Neurosciences, 56:33.098 --> 56:34.526 we got everybody in the Army 56:34.526 --> 56:36.128 actually those boards still exist. 56:36.128 --> 56:38.489 And we started to peel back, what's out there? 56:38.489 --> 56:39.894 How can we measure to do this? 56:39.894 --> 56:42.069 And I sat for three hours in the Pentagon with 56:42.069 --> 56:46.190 a neuroscientist named Dr. Amy Cruz out of Darpa, 56:46.190 --> 56:49.084 and she started to explain to me brain 101, 56:49.084 --> 56:51.187 which by the way most Army leaders 56:51.187 --> 56:53.452 are ignorant or not educated on, okay? 56:53.452 --> 56:56.319 They all know what the muscles can do, 56:56.319 --> 57:01.113 for example bicep muscle everyone of our soldiers knows 57:01.113 --> 57:05.022 what the bicep muscle is, how it applies to their job, 57:05.022 --> 57:07.872 how to improve it we gave a gym to improve it, 57:07.872 --> 57:11.356 so how many in here know what the limbic system is 57:11.356 --> 57:14.566 and what it's role is, and more importantly what is your 57:14.566 --> 57:16.945 leaders giving you to improve the limbic system? 57:16.945 --> 57:19.980 By the way that's a pretty important piece. 57:19.980 --> 57:21.617 That's your whole emotional piece, 57:21.617 --> 57:23.353 that's where you get your belief systems, 57:23.353 --> 57:26.625 that's where fear and PTSD occurs and everything else. 57:26.625 --> 57:28.370 Now you don't have to be a neuroscientist to do this, 57:28.370 --> 57:31.492 my argument is we haven't given you 57:31.492 --> 57:34.339 the systems to improve it, to make it stronger, 57:34.339 --> 57:35.839 because I can build up resiliency. 57:35.839 --> 57:38.986 Because as we got into this discussion it gets into PTSD, 57:38.986 --> 57:42.119 TBI, moral injury, and we gotta get left of it 57:42.119 --> 57:44.869 because Doc's just wanna have something to break. 57:44.869 --> 57:46.864 If anybody knows General Brooks, 57:46.864 --> 57:48.713 we were sitting in a big conference 57:48.713 --> 57:51.950 and we got in a little argument with the Doc's 57:51.950 --> 57:53.616 because again they want to fix something that's breaking 57:53.616 --> 57:55.113 and I didn't want it to break. 57:55.113 --> 57:56.823 So part of this stuff we're gonna talk to you about 57:56.823 --> 57:58.430 with this dash ten is part of that process. 57:58.430 --> 58:01.477 But the key was just how do I go do this? 58:01.477 --> 58:03.522 And how many are under 30 years old in here? 58:03.522 --> 58:05.355 Only a few here, okay. 58:06.384 --> 58:08.629 Well one thing that struck me when Amy was talking to me 58:08.629 --> 58:10.389 is this is part of the brains senses. 58:10.389 --> 58:13.318 And understand the frontal lobes is 58:13.318 --> 58:15.695 where you make your decisions, okay? 58:15.695 --> 58:17.831 That's the regulator for decision making, okay? 58:17.831 --> 58:22.261 So if you're under thirty, you may not have grown up yet. 58:22.261 --> 58:24.866 Unless we have trained and execute literally 58:24.866 --> 58:26.707 those neurons have not grown yet. 58:26.707 --> 58:29.352 That's kind of, you know remember we're asking 58:29.352 --> 58:32.147 squad leaders, platoon leaders, company commanders 58:32.147 --> 58:34.493 who may be under thirty literally 58:34.493 --> 58:36.322 we want them to be adaptable, 58:36.322 --> 58:38.306 agile in these strong environments. 58:38.306 --> 58:41.452 And literally they have not grown up yet. 58:41.452 --> 58:45.036 So I caveat that, but if we can train them 58:45.036 --> 58:48.620 to those environments then those neural networks develop. 58:48.620 --> 58:52.177 Okay so how many can tell you where you are and what level, 58:52.177 --> 58:53.954 it's your executive functions, 58:53.954 --> 58:55.760 can we measure executive functions? 58:55.760 --> 58:57.575 Yes, you can! 58:57.575 --> 59:00.395 How many out there company commanders have the tools to 59:00.395 --> 59:02.742 measure the executive functions of all their squad leaders? 59:02.742 --> 59:05.450 None, we haven't given it to you, okay? 59:05.450 --> 59:09.031 That's my challenge here, cause as I start to peel back 59:09.031 --> 59:11.938 the science and then working with industry and innovation, 59:11.938 --> 59:13.467 that stuff's out there. 59:13.467 --> 59:15.689 Now it might be a science project here, 59:15.689 --> 59:17.885 it might be a program here that nobody knows about, 59:17.885 --> 59:21.135 sports world is definitely diving into this because 59:21.135 --> 59:24.125 they're trying to get the professional sports piece there. 59:24.125 --> 59:26.466 This is not a lack of science. 59:26.466 --> 59:29.672 This isn't even a lack of capabilities like yours and yours. 59:29.672 --> 59:32.502 Randy I mean that exists, we don't 59:32.502 --> 59:34.309 have programs we haven't given it to you. 59:34.309 --> 59:36.293 So one of my challenges with the approach 59:36.293 --> 59:38.243 I'm gonna give you is how do we get these 59:38.243 --> 59:40.931 kind of capabilities into the Army so that I can 59:40.931 --> 59:42.843 give company commanders the capabilities to 59:42.843 --> 59:45.909 use these tools to improve yourself and improve your unit. 59:45.909 --> 59:49.240 Cause decision making is absolutely the key. 59:49.240 --> 59:52.098 But how do you make it, how do you measure a decision? 59:52.098 --> 59:54.246 One of the big studies they're doing in, 59:54.246 --> 59:58.575 there's a good book now just out, The Performace Cortex 59:58.575 --> 01:00:01.268 is written about improving baseball players to 01:00:01.268 --> 01:00:05.268 hit balls they're using for recruiting purposes. 01:00:07.152 --> 01:00:09.510 The key is when they measure the kids QEG's 01:00:09.510 --> 01:00:12.096 there's different ways to measure it. 01:00:12.096 --> 01:00:14.737 There are great athletes that just can't make 01:00:14.737 --> 01:00:17.308 the decision to swing the ball in time. 01:00:17.308 --> 01:00:18.848 And I don't want that one. 01:00:18.848 --> 01:00:21.024 I mean they hit all the other physical factors, 01:00:21.024 --> 01:00:23.702 but the brain just can't decide because 01:00:23.702 --> 01:00:25.324 it's not wired to do that yet. 01:00:25.324 --> 01:00:26.558 Now you can train it, I would argue 01:00:26.558 --> 01:00:28.418 but that's part of the challenge they're 01:00:28.418 --> 01:00:30.125 going to, especially professional. 01:00:30.125 --> 01:00:32.484 So here's the proposal, how many of you know 01:00:32.484 --> 01:00:34.584 what a dash 10 is, operators manual? 01:00:34.584 --> 01:00:37.153 Okay, most of you do so I'm using this approach 01:00:37.153 --> 01:00:39.277 cause one of the things I've tried to sell is 01:00:39.277 --> 01:00:41.845 and General Brown and I have worked this 01:00:41.845 --> 01:00:43.938 since he was at Benning doing this stuff. 01:00:43.938 --> 01:00:47.107 How do we actually get a system and a process, 01:00:47.107 --> 01:00:49.799 cause programs like the Green Book are great. 01:00:49.799 --> 01:00:53.536 I've seen project programs like that over and over again 01:00:53.536 --> 01:00:56.624 but they die after the brigade commander that liked it left, 01:00:56.624 --> 01:01:00.912 or after somebody like Dan or General Brown that did it. 01:01:00.912 --> 01:01:03.068 We don't have an enduring program 01:01:03.068 --> 01:01:05.293 especially for the cognitive domain. 01:01:05.293 --> 01:01:07.898 We're all over the physical, okay. 01:01:07.898 --> 01:01:12.210 Like too much, we need to get the cognitive piece. 01:01:12.210 --> 01:01:14.546 But we have not given the commanders 01:01:14.546 --> 01:01:16.116 the tool to do that stuff. 01:01:16.116 --> 01:01:19.366 So I'm proposing this next slide, okay. 01:01:20.433 --> 01:01:22.122 This is not the new that you, 01:01:22.122 --> 01:01:24.636 you've got a baseline the individuals, alright? 01:01:24.636 --> 01:01:27.622 So when you bring your soldiers in you do a baseline 01:01:27.622 --> 01:01:29.380 for their PT test or when they end in 01:01:29.380 --> 01:01:31.232 and you put them into ability groups 01:01:31.232 --> 01:01:33.137 and then you work em to improve em. 01:01:33.137 --> 01:01:34.704 So I wrote a paper once called 01:01:34.704 --> 01:01:36.628 getting to a good enough cognitive show size. 01:01:36.628 --> 01:01:38.881 Cause if I bring you into the Army 01:01:38.881 --> 01:01:41.385 and I measure your shoe size, okay. 01:01:41.385 --> 01:01:43.349 Being all life fighters out here in many ways, 01:01:43.349 --> 01:01:48.099 is if your size nine and I give you a 14 boot or a 4 boot 01:01:49.495 --> 01:01:51.218 and tell you to go on a 12 mile road march, 01:01:51.218 --> 01:01:53.176 how well are you gonna do? 01:01:53.176 --> 01:01:54.688 You know besides being injured 01:01:54.688 --> 01:01:56.383 you're probably not gonna do real well. 01:01:56.383 --> 01:01:57.410 I'm infantry by the way. 01:01:57.410 --> 01:02:00.011 So how many out there know what 01:02:00.011 --> 01:02:02.132 their cognitive shoe size is? 01:02:02.132 --> 01:02:05.215 And the reason I say that, we talked about all that 01:02:05.215 --> 01:02:07.346 technology, the mission command ad everything else. 01:02:07.346 --> 01:02:10.131 And where you're going is, you know. 01:02:10.131 --> 01:02:13.030 To develop these capabilities, which are great. 01:02:13.030 --> 01:02:16.071 But because we don't measure what your cognitive 01:02:16.071 --> 01:02:19.404 shoe size is, we normalize to size nine. 01:02:20.752 --> 01:02:25.557 When industry built projects they normalize to size nine. 01:02:25.557 --> 01:02:27.618 Therefore if you're a different size, 01:02:27.618 --> 01:02:30.828 you're actually now at the same disadvantage as you were at 01:02:30.828 --> 01:02:33.456 when you were a size 15 and you're 01:02:33.456 --> 01:02:36.521 a size 9 trying to use a size 15. 01:02:36.521 --> 01:02:40.648 We can do, by the way I'm an infantry guy, 01:02:40.648 --> 01:02:43.961 cause when you talk to the scientist or Randy's program, 01:02:43.961 --> 01:02:47.729 we want to get the 99% solution less the docks. 01:02:47.729 --> 01:02:49.708 I'm infantry, okay? 01:02:49.708 --> 01:02:52.453 Anything above zero is good okay? 01:02:52.453 --> 01:02:54.772 Cause right now I got zero alright? 01:02:54.772 --> 01:02:56.980 So give me a 50% solution. 01:02:56.980 --> 01:02:58.399 Give me something. 01:02:58.399 --> 01:03:01.497 And there are tools and capabilities that can commonly 01:03:01.497 --> 01:03:04.693 increase, but we need a system and a program to do that. 01:03:04.693 --> 01:03:07.174 And I'll tell you the first thing I got argued on this case 01:03:07.174 --> 01:03:10.720 of this approach is, oh this will take too long. 01:03:10.720 --> 01:03:13.614 Okay how many of you have ever done 01:03:13.614 --> 01:03:16.860 a PMCS in a tank or in an apache. 01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:20.308 You know how long it takes to do those PMCS's there? 01:03:20.308 --> 01:03:25.308 The bottom line is I'll spend hours and then services weeks. 01:03:25.441 --> 01:03:27.971 To do service on our equipment, 01:03:27.971 --> 01:03:29.700 but the person that's gonna make 01:03:29.700 --> 01:03:31.916 a decision to employ that system, 01:03:31.916 --> 01:03:34.044 I'm not gonna spend one minute figuring out 01:03:34.044 --> 01:03:36.523 `if they're ready to go on mission. 01:03:36.523 --> 01:03:38.779 At least in the cognitive decision making mode. 01:03:38.779 --> 01:03:42.507 We talk sleep deprivation, you can go for days physically. 01:03:42.507 --> 01:03:46.548 Your ability to make decisions just as so sharp that it 01:03:46.548 --> 01:03:49.928 drops off literally as you talk to four days. 01:03:49.928 --> 01:03:52.362 The key decision makers are legally 01:03:52.362 --> 01:03:55.388 drunk in their decision making, so personally I'd rather 01:03:55.388 --> 01:03:57.780 have a fifth out there as opposed to do it that way. 01:03:57.780 --> 01:04:00.949 My argument to leaders is and by the way, 01:04:00.949 --> 01:04:02.982 you can do this if you trust your 01:04:02.982 --> 01:04:05.255 subordinates and you build your team. 01:04:05.255 --> 01:04:07.959 Is get the sleep, because they need you 01:04:07.959 --> 01:04:10.168 when it's decision making time, they don't 01:04:10.168 --> 01:04:12.626 need you to watch the map all night, okay? 01:04:12.626 --> 01:04:15.330 This is the key about building trust, 01:04:15.330 --> 01:04:17.663 building the whole team, doing those pieces. 01:04:17.663 --> 01:04:20.830 But the implications are bad decisions 01:04:21.700 --> 01:04:23.531 because you are not caught, 01:04:23.531 --> 01:04:26.399 you don't get that intuitive decision making, 01:04:26.399 --> 01:04:28.770 he meant damage in the ooda loop, 01:04:28.770 --> 01:04:30.848 I used to call it the cognitive ooda loop. 01:04:30.848 --> 01:04:33.203 Cause literally you grow a neural network 01:04:33.203 --> 01:04:35.450 when you're novice it works in the front of your brain, 01:04:35.450 --> 01:04:38.104 when you learn something and become an expert 01:04:38.104 --> 01:04:40.935 it goes to the back, it goes to low power, okay? 01:04:40.935 --> 01:04:43.685 Your brain is an energy hog okay? 01:04:44.907 --> 01:04:47.523 It eats up, it's 3% of the body mass, 01:04:47.523 --> 01:04:49.929 it eats up 25% of your energy. 01:04:49.929 --> 01:04:51.469 So the foods you're intaking when, 01:04:51.469 --> 01:04:53.893 is going to you brain as a hog. 01:04:53.893 --> 01:04:55.891 So when you're tired and suppressed 01:04:55.891 --> 01:04:57.862 it's even eating up more energy. 01:04:57.862 --> 01:04:59.434 The way to reduce that is one, 01:04:59.434 --> 01:05:01.160 be a professional and know your stuff. 01:05:01.160 --> 01:05:03.837 So it's now back here and not up here burning more energy. 01:05:03.837 --> 01:05:05.173 So you're actually being more 01:05:05.173 --> 01:05:08.174 energy efficient in that process, okay? 01:05:08.174 --> 01:05:10.588 And as I argue if it's burning energy, 01:05:10.588 --> 01:05:12.452 if you think more you can lose weight, 01:05:12.452 --> 01:05:14.720 and some of you might need to think more like me. 01:05:14.720 --> 01:05:19.531 So the point being here is get a basic understanding 01:05:19.531 --> 01:05:22.944 of how you really make, we talked about trust, 01:05:22.944 --> 01:05:26.805 you know there is a neural chemical that causes trust. 01:05:26.805 --> 01:05:29.456 And by the way we could spray the whole room down on it 01:05:29.456 --> 01:05:31.522 and then you'd all trust each other for a few minutes, 01:05:31.522 --> 01:05:34.544 But it's called, you know it's oxytocin. 01:05:34.544 --> 01:05:36.663 The key is when you build trust, 01:05:36.663 --> 01:05:38.748 and it takes time and you can lose it. 01:05:38.748 --> 01:05:40.751 And we can talk through all the manuals about building trust 01:05:40.751 --> 01:05:42.584 but it's a neural chemical reaction 01:05:42.584 --> 01:05:44.200 in your brain that's causing it. 01:05:44.200 --> 01:05:46.013 By the way that's how you build trust 01:05:46.013 --> 01:05:48.547 with tribal leaders too cause if you violate their culture 01:05:48.547 --> 01:05:51.891 you're not going to get the trust neural chemical, 01:05:51.891 --> 01:05:53.892 you're gonna get the other chemicals 01:05:53.892 --> 01:05:55.535 you don't want em to get. 01:05:55.535 --> 01:05:57.341 Now I'm not again I don't wanna make you 01:05:57.341 --> 01:05:59.051 neuroscientists but you gotta understand 01:05:59.051 --> 01:06:00.942 how do I influence this other person? 01:06:00.942 --> 01:06:02.729 How do I influence myself? 01:06:02.729 --> 01:06:04.564 You gotta know yourself, what's making you happy 01:06:04.564 --> 01:06:06.468 and you know you've got mindfulness which is 01:06:06.468 --> 01:06:09.471 a good program that the Docs are using. 01:06:09.471 --> 01:06:11.086 The other thing is with the dash 10, 01:06:11.086 --> 01:06:14.070 I can get left of PTSD and TBI. 01:06:14.070 --> 01:06:16.718 We can do resiliency training for it. 01:06:16.718 --> 01:06:19.727 I sort of asked the Docs I need something like cold weather. 01:06:19.727 --> 01:06:21.866 You know none of you are Docs out there 01:06:21.866 --> 01:06:23.749 but you all know having taken 01:06:23.749 --> 01:06:26.058 my company up to Alaska in January, 01:06:26.058 --> 01:06:27.633 you know 50 below doing that stuff, 01:06:27.633 --> 01:06:30.266 we still go on patrol but we know 01:06:30.266 --> 01:06:32.354 certain racial groups have, 01:06:32.354 --> 01:06:34.400 if you've had it before they give us a protocol to mark. 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:36.355 And now if you have a cold weather injury 01:06:36.355 --> 01:06:38.102 it's probably a leadership failure 01:06:38.102 --> 01:06:40.385 and not a medical problem cause you as a squad leader, 01:06:40.385 --> 01:06:41.664 platoon leader or somebody didn't do 01:06:41.664 --> 01:06:43.217 what you were supposed to do check wise. 01:06:43.217 --> 01:06:45.630 We can do the same thing for moral injury, 01:06:45.630 --> 01:06:49.515 for PTSD and TBI and catch it earlier 01:06:49.515 --> 01:06:52.517 before we injure them further, its sort of like 01:06:52.517 --> 01:06:55.559 a sprain that you then turn into a real injury. 01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:59.099 Again my challenge to the Army as a whole 01:06:59.099 --> 01:07:01.717 and government as whole is we have not 01:07:01.717 --> 01:07:05.701 given you as the leaders the tools you need to do your job. 01:07:05.701 --> 01:07:07.968 Now you're doing the best you can, 01:07:07.968 --> 01:07:10.972 and we do have biases here cause again 01:07:10.972 --> 01:07:12.590 we have the bias on the physical domain. 01:07:12.590 --> 01:07:13.849 We also have biases that we 01:07:13.849 --> 01:07:16.343 are pretty darn good at training. 01:07:16.343 --> 01:07:18.155 So we think we're experts at training, 01:07:18.155 --> 01:07:20.921 but in the same vein is we can be better. 01:07:20.921 --> 01:07:23.581 And I use the example, we had a Darpa study 01:07:23.581 --> 01:07:26.378 for weapons qualification and you know 01:07:26.378 --> 01:07:30.190 if you pay the Marines they'll do anything. 01:07:30.190 --> 01:07:31.359 Right Sergeant Major? 01:07:31.359 --> 01:07:34.220 Okay so the point is Darpa went 01:07:34.220 --> 01:07:36.263 down to do weapons qualification. 01:07:36.263 --> 01:07:38.532 You know on norm curve people qualify high, 01:07:38.532 --> 01:07:40.984 some don't qualify and everybody's in the middle. 01:07:40.984 --> 01:07:42.439 They were able to take, 01:07:42.439 --> 01:07:44.479 what they did is use sensors on the human, 01:07:44.479 --> 01:07:48.047 QEG's physiological baseline the sensors 01:07:48.047 --> 01:07:50.462 against expert marksmanship shooters 01:07:50.462 --> 01:07:53.267 and they figured out what it took 01:07:53.267 --> 01:07:55.678 to put a shooter into the zone. 01:07:55.678 --> 01:07:57.146 Now that gets their Alpha theta waves 01:07:57.146 --> 01:07:59.319 literally how your brain works, okay? 01:07:59.319 --> 01:08:01.134 They developed a training protocol, 01:08:01.134 --> 01:08:03.938 took a whole basic unit through the training protocol, 01:08:03.938 --> 01:08:07.444 moved the norm curve two standard deviations to the right 01:08:07.444 --> 01:08:10.090 so everybody qualified higher, 01:08:10.090 --> 01:08:14.445 everybody qualified less time and less bullets. 01:08:14.445 --> 01:08:17.056 So Darpa goes well shoot, 01:08:17.056 --> 01:08:18.514 that was a better test than I thought 01:08:18.514 --> 01:08:20.136 and I went back to the Marines and go hey 01:08:20.136 --> 01:08:22.570 do you want to adopt this because you got better results, 01:08:22.570 --> 01:08:25.077 costs you less time on the range, 01:08:25.077 --> 01:08:26.594 less money because remember 01:08:26.594 --> 01:08:28.494 we're fighting for time and white space? 01:08:28.494 --> 01:08:30.696 And the Marines response was no we already 01:08:30.696 --> 01:08:32.985 know how to do weapons qualification. 01:08:32.985 --> 01:08:34.654 Okay that's the challenge we're getting into 01:08:34.654 --> 01:08:38.954 a lot of these technologies, yeah it's kind of foo-foo stuff 01:08:38.954 --> 01:08:40.474 but it really doesn't apply to me 01:08:40.474 --> 01:08:42.490 cause I already know how to do it okay? 01:08:42.490 --> 01:08:45.143 I'm asking you as junior leaders cause 01:08:45.143 --> 01:08:46.867 you're the ones that are gonna lead the future. 01:08:46.867 --> 01:08:48.780 You know the General Brown's and us we're all retiring 01:08:48.780 --> 01:08:51.404 and going off and going to Hawaii on vacation. 01:08:51.404 --> 01:08:55.537 But the point is this is going to be your future. 01:08:55.537 --> 01:08:57.626 And we owe it to the kids to do that kind of thing. 01:08:57.626 --> 01:08:59.267 So I'd like to open up the questions 01:08:59.267 --> 01:09:01.388 if we've got time, or not? 01:09:01.388 --> 01:09:05.471 - [Man] Oh absolutely, yeah don't worry about it. 01:09:06.588 --> 01:09:08.119 - [Dan] That's what we'd like to do now Pete 01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:10.204 is just open this up for this first question 01:09:10.204 --> 01:09:13.537 of can we cognitively optimize soldiers? 01:09:17.346 --> 01:09:18.456 - Well here's a lead. 01:09:18.456 --> 01:09:20.162 Is anybody out there, well one of the leaders. 01:09:20.162 --> 01:09:23.942 What would I, if I have you a PMTS manual on how to 01:09:23.942 --> 01:09:27.231 do the soldiers okay and belief system's a key component. 01:09:27.231 --> 01:09:29.691 Would you want to take the time to do that 01:09:29.691 --> 01:09:31.698 to figure out the operational readiness 01:09:31.698 --> 01:09:33.865 before you want to patrol? 01:09:36.162 --> 01:09:37.913 Now I haven't given you the tool box yet. 01:09:37.913 --> 01:09:39.813 Cause you need the tool box. 01:09:39.813 --> 01:09:41.749 The Green Book is part of that tool box piece, 01:09:41.749 --> 01:09:42.823 they've got some good stuff. 01:09:42.823 --> 01:09:44.646 You know I like serigo because I can actually, 01:09:44.646 --> 01:09:47.336 for those that saw the dashboard for serigo, 01:09:47.336 --> 01:09:49.726 I can see what you know or don't know, 01:09:49.726 --> 01:09:51.701 whether you studied or you didn't study, 01:09:51.701 --> 01:09:53.049 and more importantly is when you're 01:09:53.049 --> 01:09:55.449 gonna forget it and I gotta retrain. 01:09:55.449 --> 01:09:58.187 But that's an example of the system we an use. 01:09:58.187 --> 01:10:00.806 No wires attached on that one but there could 01:10:00.806 --> 01:10:03.476 be other wires that could be done on that. 01:10:03.476 --> 01:10:04.635 But I'd like to give you something, 01:10:04.635 --> 01:10:06.774 by the way the baselining is the key. 01:10:06.774 --> 01:10:08.759 That takes up all the time. 01:10:08.759 --> 01:10:10.647 I can give you a little app today to tell you 01:10:10.647 --> 01:10:13.481 if you're cognitively above that baseline or not. 01:10:13.481 --> 01:10:15.102 It'll take five minutes to take, 01:10:15.102 --> 01:10:17.591 so if I've got a kid that's baseline is here 01:10:17.591 --> 01:10:20.665 and well below baseline because, you don't know what 01:10:20.665 --> 01:10:22.817 but they were up all night playing video games, 01:10:22.817 --> 01:10:25.067 or did they get a bad letter from homeroom. 01:10:25.067 --> 01:10:27.699 I may not want to put him on point today. 01:10:27.699 --> 01:10:30.509 Cause their cognitive ruler is not sharpened this morning 01:10:30.509 --> 01:10:32.074 and they're gonna get somebody killed 01:10:32.074 --> 01:10:34.091 even though they're the best point person you had before, 01:10:34.091 --> 01:10:35.578 today they're not operating. 01:10:35.578 --> 01:10:37.874 Their cognitive engine oil is low. 01:10:37.874 --> 01:10:39.841 And you gotta figure out how to fill it. 01:10:39.841 --> 01:10:42.054 Right now you just send him out back on point 01:10:42.054 --> 01:10:43.849 because he's always good on point. 01:10:43.849 --> 01:10:45.445 So that's the kind of thing we wanna go. 01:10:45.445 --> 01:10:49.278 What do you thing about, any feedback on that? 01:10:51.865 --> 01:10:54.916 Sure, if not you know we've got other speakers. 01:10:54.916 --> 01:10:59.646 - [Man] So sir first thing I thought of when I saw dash 10 01:10:59.646 --> 01:11:02.759 on there I thought of an operational readiness rate, 01:11:02.759 --> 01:11:06.676 so my SO lives and dies by his ability to PMCS, 01:11:07.598 --> 01:11:09.910 go through a system that not only 01:11:09.910 --> 01:11:11.550 makes sure he's doing maintenance correctly, 01:11:11.550 --> 01:11:13.251 but it then shows somebody else 01:11:13.251 --> 01:11:16.206 and verifies that this is actually happening. 01:11:16.206 --> 01:11:19.387 And so I see that and it sounds like the maintenance 01:11:19.387 --> 01:11:20.989 is absolutely required and 01:11:20.989 --> 01:11:24.239 absolutely critical to increase performance. 01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:27.929 I think it leads to a current environment where people are 01:11:27.929 --> 01:11:32.346 either held accountable to it, or they care about it. 01:11:34.310 --> 01:11:35.575 If leaders don't care about it, 01:11:35.575 --> 01:11:37.748 if it's not something that gets briefed, 01:11:37.748 --> 01:11:41.397 if it's not a number that can communicate to somebody 01:11:41.397 --> 01:11:42.786 we are getting something out of 01:11:42.786 --> 01:11:46.054 this time and effort we're spending on this, 01:11:46.054 --> 01:11:47.848 then I think we're gonna start running into issues 01:11:47.848 --> 01:11:51.487 where we have it, it's there and nobody uses it. 01:11:51.487 --> 01:11:54.945 And I think that's one kind of critical component of that 01:11:54.945 --> 01:11:56.787 the structure it looks like a great idea, 01:11:56.787 --> 01:11:59.252 but a dash 10 kind of fits into a 01:11:59.252 --> 01:12:02.228 maintenance structure that forces accountability. 01:12:02.228 --> 01:12:04.223 - Well I'll be honest there's two things. 01:12:04.223 --> 01:12:06.346 One, you need to have accountability 01:12:06.346 --> 01:12:08.976 because I need to know is it operating or not. 01:12:08.976 --> 01:12:11.358 And say to the brigade, because this will go 01:12:11.358 --> 01:12:12.565 up to the brigade commander, okay? 01:12:12.565 --> 01:12:14.550 Right now he has a data that says he has 01:12:14.550 --> 01:12:17.024 so many soldiers and so many on sick call. 01:12:17.024 --> 01:12:19.217 How many does he have that tells him 01:12:19.217 --> 01:12:23.035 I've got 50% of my unit is cognitively declined now 01:12:23.035 --> 01:12:25.161 and I gotta send them on to a mission 01:12:25.161 --> 01:12:26.803 and which ones are ready, okay? 01:12:26.803 --> 01:12:28.769 So I'm talking operationally. 01:12:28.769 --> 01:12:30.364 Then you got the service aspect, 01:12:30.364 --> 01:12:32.612 and yeah you gotta hold them accountable, 01:12:32.612 --> 01:12:34.060 I mean that's the whole point. 01:12:34.060 --> 01:12:37.197 I mean if you've got, if I've got four tanks down 01:12:37.197 --> 01:12:40.020 okay in my company alright or two tanks down 01:12:40.020 --> 01:12:45.020 and I'm a platoon leader I got two tanks down, I'm at 50%. 01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:47.625 Now if I've got all of the tank squadron show up 01:12:47.625 --> 01:12:50.880 but I don't know that they're 50% operational, 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:54.027 I'm going to send them out on patrol in toil. 01:12:54.027 --> 01:12:56.409 Now by the way I'll also add it per training, 01:12:56.409 --> 01:12:58.392 because what happens is all this 01:12:58.392 --> 01:13:00.067 research and spending on training, 01:13:00.067 --> 01:13:02.485 because if they're not cognitively there, 01:13:02.485 --> 01:13:05.496 you just wasted a whole lot of time in training. 01:13:05.496 --> 01:13:08.049 So you talk about creating white space. 01:13:08.049 --> 01:13:11.542 We can create white space to improve our training. 01:13:11.542 --> 01:13:13.244 We understand what we're measuring 01:13:13.244 --> 01:13:15.955 and one would make sure that the kids we stick in there 01:13:15.955 --> 01:13:17.715 aren't wasting my time and resources 01:13:17.715 --> 01:13:19.582 because they're not ready to be trained. 01:13:19.582 --> 01:13:21.685 And by the way there's ways to address 01:13:21.685 --> 01:13:23.997 them not being ready to be trained, 01:13:23.997 --> 01:13:27.213 but sometimes they won't be or at least you know that, okay? 01:13:27.213 --> 01:13:30.049 So and that's I want to give you the tools 01:13:30.049 --> 01:13:33.033 to be better abled to do the job. 01:13:33.033 --> 01:13:35.413 I assume you as a commander are gonna hold them accountable. 01:13:35.413 --> 01:13:37.983 If not, the brigade commander's gonna wanna know why 01:13:37.983 --> 01:13:41.828 50% of the time you don't meet a deadline. 01:13:41.828 --> 01:13:44.222 But well it's important because team making 01:13:44.222 --> 01:13:47.858 tactical decisions in combat multiplying that 01:13:47.858 --> 01:13:49.983 how to apply the force, and he's thinking 01:13:49.983 --> 01:13:51.715 he's got all these people here but he really doesn't. 01:13:51.715 --> 01:13:54.964 And by the way we do that so much. 01:13:54.964 --> 01:13:58.688 If all I have to do is have them all wear a fitbits 01:13:58.688 --> 01:14:00.112 and tell you what their sleep plan is 01:14:00.112 --> 01:14:01.651 and I can tell you what their 01:14:01.651 --> 01:14:04.289 cognitive performance is gonna be tomorrow. 01:14:04.289 --> 01:14:06.811 And unfortunately that translates to kids lives when we're 01:14:06.811 --> 01:14:09.640 doing a combat mission, so I'd throw that out there. 01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:11.838 So thanks for that comment that was a good one. 01:14:11.838 --> 01:14:13.609 I'm looking for a system to get at it 01:14:13.609 --> 01:14:15.035 instead of giving you a spot program. 01:14:15.035 --> 01:14:17.233 We want a system that you all can mill with, 01:14:17.233 --> 01:14:19.868 so XO's obviously I think you must 01:14:19.868 --> 01:14:21.777 be the XO cause he captioned, 01:14:21.777 --> 01:14:24.168 but XO's will live by this 01:14:24.168 --> 01:14:27.985 I mean I've been XO at every level so. 01:14:27.985 --> 01:14:29.629 - [Dan] Okay so my question for the crowd, 01:14:29.629 --> 01:14:30.863 I'm sorry go ahead. 01:14:30.863 --> 01:14:34.209 - [Man] Sir I don't have an answer but just kind of 01:14:34.209 --> 01:14:37.187 to your point and just to the topic at hand, 01:14:37.187 --> 01:14:41.132 I think it's critical to know like the dash 10 01:14:41.132 --> 01:14:44.734 because so many times we understand the systems, 01:14:44.734 --> 01:14:47.926 the equipment and the you know like the back of our hand, 01:14:47.926 --> 01:14:51.620 but I think getting deeper into knowing the soldier not only 01:14:51.620 --> 01:14:55.259 as leaders it gives us that dimension to having that dash 10 01:14:55.259 --> 01:14:57.801 it helps us to get closer with that soldier 01:14:57.801 --> 01:15:00.190 and understand where our soldier needs to go 01:15:00.190 --> 01:15:02.014 and I think from a command level it kind of 01:15:02.014 --> 01:15:03.845 shapes your perspective on where you 01:15:03.845 --> 01:15:07.287 need to take your echelon no matter whether it's at 01:15:07.287 --> 01:15:09.526 the company troop battery level 01:15:09.526 --> 01:15:13.287 all the way up to the higher echelon's of command. 01:15:13.287 --> 01:15:15.555 So I think understanding that and knowing that 01:15:15.555 --> 01:15:19.656 at the show soldier X, a little more attention 01:15:19.656 --> 01:15:23.355 or I can give soldier why just that little more task 01:15:23.355 --> 01:15:27.253 and where I kind of have to shape my perspective 01:15:27.253 --> 01:15:28.726 and you know what you're dealing with, 01:15:28.726 --> 01:15:30.210 and I think it helps you to understand 01:15:30.210 --> 01:15:31.835 and know your soldiers a little bit better. 01:15:31.835 --> 01:15:35.009 And understanding you know what that process is, 01:15:35.009 --> 01:15:37.144 is I'm definitely interested in knowing that 01:15:37.144 --> 01:15:40.519 and I'm kind of applying that as we move forward 01:15:40.519 --> 01:15:43.109 so I think it's definitely beneficial in something 01:15:43.109 --> 01:15:46.551 that I think as an Army we'll benefit from. 01:15:46.551 --> 01:15:48.412 - [Speaker] By the way this will take a while to get 01:15:48.412 --> 01:15:50.141 it into the Army because one I gotta write it. 01:15:50.141 --> 01:15:54.545 And two, I appreciate what you're saying because you know 01:15:54.545 --> 01:15:58.045 it does cause a dialog with your soldiers, 01:15:59.126 --> 01:16:02.828 if I give a scupes test to ya, a five minute app, 01:16:02.828 --> 01:16:06.185 I don't care what the tool is as long as it's something. 01:16:06.185 --> 01:16:09.000 If you can measure to say why are you 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.173 not as sharp as you should be? 01:16:12.173 --> 01:16:13.800 It's sort of like when you do push ups 01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:17.366 they only did five when they used to doing fifty. 01:16:17.366 --> 01:16:19.066 You can tell the difference there. 01:16:19.066 --> 01:16:20.948 I want to give you the same thing in the cognitive 01:16:20.948 --> 01:16:23.689 and the emotional belief system too. 01:16:23.689 --> 01:16:25.488 How many of you know about moral injury? 01:16:25.488 --> 01:16:27.194 What you're dealing with with these kids? 01:16:27.194 --> 01:16:29.728 Okay and these suicides and everything else, 01:16:29.728 --> 01:16:32.447 We saw these kids that could create a culture 01:16:32.447 --> 01:16:34.845 and a belief system and send it into other systems 01:16:34.845 --> 01:16:36.803 that are different and they get in 01:16:36.803 --> 01:16:39.162 conflictS with their belief systems. 01:16:39.162 --> 01:16:41.844 And based on those belief systems, now they come back, 01:16:41.844 --> 01:16:44.653 it's a neural network of PTSD 01:16:44.653 --> 01:16:48.753 truly is that doesn't all develop until later. 01:16:48.753 --> 01:16:50.812 But it continues to grow and your network gets bigger 01:16:50.812 --> 01:16:54.006 and bigger and this starts to cause bigger problems. 01:16:54.006 --> 01:16:56.434 Well and what we wanna do is get less of that. 01:16:56.434 --> 01:17:00.539 I'm not a Doc by the way this is what I'm telling, 01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:02.832 so is my time up there? 01:17:02.832 --> 01:17:04.770 - [Dan] We're running a little bit over on time 01:17:04.770 --> 01:17:07.058 and but I'd rather train to standard the time, so. 01:17:07.058 --> 01:17:09.493 I just hope this is giving you guys 01:17:09.493 --> 01:17:11.467 some things to think about. 01:17:11.467 --> 01:17:13.583 And when I, I'll be honest I'm a cynic or 01:17:13.583 --> 01:17:15.105 a skeptic in this as well, I'm kind of 01:17:15.105 --> 01:17:16.646 like Colonel Ryan with technology. 01:17:16.646 --> 01:17:18.272 And I put it up there even 01:17:18.272 --> 01:17:21.080 I'm like hey how do we do the performance triad when, 01:17:21.080 --> 01:17:24.825 I mean I can remember task force no fear in Afghanistan, 01:17:24.825 --> 01:17:27.903 I had 27 guys on a cop that had to 01:17:27.903 --> 01:17:30.487 pull 24 hour security and do missions. 01:17:30.487 --> 01:17:33.583 You can't always get eight hours of sleep. 01:17:33.583 --> 01:17:35.465 And the cooks are out there doing the best they can 01:17:35.465 --> 01:17:37.545 with Trats and MREs and you can't always get them 01:17:37.545 --> 01:17:42.545 the kind of fuel they need to optimize their performance. 01:17:42.633 --> 01:17:44.356 But what can we do, and I think, 01:17:44.356 --> 01:17:46.461 I don't know about you but I've taken away from this 01:17:46.461 --> 01:17:49.831 is the idea of a baseline to me is critical. 01:17:49.831 --> 01:17:51.315 We have to know our soldiers, 01:17:51.315 --> 01:17:53.563 we have to know their strengths and their weaknesses. 01:17:53.563 --> 01:17:55.352 And then we have to be able to recognize 01:17:55.352 --> 01:17:59.064 when they're performing at a less than optimal level. 01:17:59.064 --> 01:18:01.434 And my challenge to you guys if one of our themes today 01:18:01.434 --> 01:18:02.607 is how do we go back out? 01:18:02.607 --> 01:18:04.287 And Pete said it, this is going to take a while, 01:18:04.287 --> 01:18:08.787 and it's got a lot of merit but what do we do now? 01:18:08.787 --> 01:18:10.920 So I would tell you, I know that Colonel Ryan has done 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:15.079 a lot of work with the psychologist at Scoffield clinic, 01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:17.693 I'd go find your psych for your brigade 01:18:17.693 --> 01:18:19.234 and the Schoffield clinic and I'd say hey look, 01:18:19.234 --> 01:18:21.621 I want you to come down and help me develop some 01:18:21.621 --> 01:18:26.371 diagnostic tools for base lining my soldiers cognitively. 01:18:27.978 --> 01:18:30.450 - [Pete] Especially the sleep deprivation 01:18:30.450 --> 01:18:33.708 because I want to build on that point he just said, 01:18:33.708 --> 01:18:35.239 which is a challenge we have. 01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:38.639 Cause we accept that we're gonna be sleep deprived. 01:18:38.639 --> 01:18:41.974 Okay, I would, one of the reasons I chose the dash 10 is, 01:18:41.974 --> 01:18:45.460 okay and having been an XO at multiple levels alright 01:18:45.460 --> 01:18:47.377 including in ADCS okay, 01:18:48.852 --> 01:18:53.852 if you've got 50% of your tanks down, people pay attention. 01:18:54.368 --> 01:18:56.953 Right now I have no metrics to tell you 01:18:56.953 --> 01:19:01.338 that my soldiers are 50% declined in their ability 01:19:01.338 --> 01:19:02.964 to make decisions and fight 01:19:02.964 --> 01:19:05.148 because I have nothing to report that. 01:19:05.148 --> 01:19:07.822 But if the brigade commander got a report from a company 01:19:07.822 --> 01:19:12.596 commander saying I'm at 50% deadline in my humans, 01:19:12.596 --> 01:19:14.796 that's not that they aren't physically there, 01:19:14.796 --> 01:19:17.083 it's just they've been up for the last week 01:19:17.083 --> 01:19:19.470 and they are not, I mean they're deadline 01:19:19.470 --> 01:19:21.370 because we've established a standard 01:19:21.370 --> 01:19:23.119 of what deadline and shortcoming is. 01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:25.123 Now the brigade commander can make a decision, 01:19:25.123 --> 01:19:27.261 okay I'm gonna do that and still do 01:19:27.261 --> 01:19:28.798 the mission because we have to. 01:19:28.798 --> 01:19:31.896 But now his battle field calculus is 01:19:31.896 --> 01:19:35.608 I'm at 50%, I'm not at 100%. 01:19:35.608 --> 01:19:39.048 I'm gonna tell you a plus side to this. 01:19:39.048 --> 01:19:41.258 Cause when you start measuring the baseline, 01:19:41.258 --> 01:19:46.258 the value of a human is, a tank can't operate above 100%. 01:19:47.078 --> 01:19:48.078 A human can. 01:19:49.527 --> 01:19:51.466 I mean you literally can operate at 01:19:51.466 --> 01:19:53.783 100% above what you normally operate. 01:19:53.783 --> 01:19:55.749 It's called motivation is a big one. 01:19:55.749 --> 01:19:59.279 Our motivation, our drive, you're much better at it. 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:01.098 We can measure that so the commander, 01:20:01.098 --> 01:20:02.672 let's just say everybody's at 100, 01:20:02.672 --> 01:20:05.498 the commander can actually be at 150% 01:20:05.498 --> 01:20:07.232 in terms of his soldiers, 01:20:07.232 --> 01:20:09.667 whereas his tanks can only be 100%. 01:20:09.667 --> 01:20:12.455 We've gotta establish the standards what's acceptable or not 01:20:12.455 --> 01:20:14.573 but what I wanna do is give company commanders 01:20:14.573 --> 01:20:16.403 and brigade commanders the metrics 01:20:16.403 --> 01:20:18.474 to know before I go on this mission, 01:20:18.474 --> 01:20:20.853 what am I really dealing with is a bunch of 01:20:20.853 --> 01:20:23.515 okay we're just gonna go hooah and go out and do it, 01:20:23.515 --> 01:20:26.218 because that's when guys don't come back. 01:20:26.218 --> 01:20:27.788 So that's part of the process here, 01:20:27.788 --> 01:20:32.355 so I would challenge leaders to figure out how to get sleep, 01:20:32.355 --> 01:20:34.699 not just accept that you're not gonna get sleep, 01:20:34.699 --> 01:20:36.868 but there's a lot more to the cognitive domain, 01:20:36.868 --> 01:20:39.290 it gets into the food and everything else you're doing. 01:20:39.290 --> 01:20:41.413 So I don't want to eliminate just the sleep. 01:20:41.413 --> 01:20:44.996 But we gotta give you the tools to do that. 01:20:46.081 --> 01:20:48.700 - Hey thanks Pete, and I can just tell you, 01:20:48.700 --> 01:20:50.942 we could talk, we could do a three hour forum 01:20:50.942 --> 01:20:52.463 on just this question itself, 01:20:52.463 --> 01:20:54.879 it's really hard to stop it and keep going. 01:20:54.879 --> 01:20:56.381 So what I would tell you is again, 01:20:56.381 --> 01:20:58.126 if you walk out of here nothing more than 01:20:58.126 --> 01:20:59.575 thinking about what we're talking about, 01:20:59.575 --> 01:21:01.731 I just remember that, we're already successful 01:21:01.731 --> 01:21:03.612 because we're generating some 01:21:03.612 --> 01:21:05.302 good stimulating thought on this. 01:21:05.302 --> 01:21:07.464 The second question I wanna ask you guys, 01:21:07.464 --> 01:21:10.139 is how are you accelerating learning and growth? 01:21:10.139 --> 01:21:13.639 So how do we normally go through an event? 01:21:15.571 --> 01:21:17.403 Anybody got, somebody getting ready 01:21:17.403 --> 01:21:19.936 to do a training event this week? 01:21:19.936 --> 01:21:21.545 How are we preparing for that? 01:21:21.545 --> 01:21:23.526 - [Man] Sir I just got back from, 01:21:23.526 --> 01:21:25.665 we just got back from PTA squad live fires, 01:21:25.665 --> 01:21:28.575 so the big thing obviously is we go through the event 01:21:28.575 --> 01:21:30.981 and we talk about we have the tinio, 01:21:30.981 --> 01:21:33.101 obviously doctrinally it's there. 01:21:33.101 --> 01:21:35.426 You know an echelon go down through that. 01:21:35.426 --> 01:21:38.594 And the big piece is rehearsal at echelon, 01:21:38.594 --> 01:21:40.857 combining obviously in a like you as a 01:21:40.857 --> 01:21:43.712 battalion commander combined arms rehearsal, 01:21:43.712 --> 01:21:46.278 and then back side of that each 01:21:46.278 --> 01:21:49.614 iteration either hot washed or full AAR. 01:21:49.614 --> 01:21:53.800 The challenge is how do you do that at section level, 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:56.082 or team level or individual. 01:21:56.082 --> 01:21:57.230 - Or individual, right? 01:21:57.230 --> 01:21:58.754 - [Man] Right so goal setting is obviously part of that. 01:21:58.754 --> 01:22:03.512 I think being my first cavalry organization this is the 01:22:03.512 --> 01:22:07.878 first time I've been around armored guys 19 Deltas, 01:22:07.878 --> 01:22:09.744 I mean they do it better frankly, 01:22:09.744 --> 01:22:12.494 starting at crew level they do it better 01:22:12.494 --> 01:22:15.571 from the perspective of maybe infantry guys do 01:22:15.571 --> 01:22:18.084 because there's really no data collection. 01:22:18.084 --> 01:22:20.774 So you know who the top gun is when you're done. 01:22:20.774 --> 01:22:23.092 You know who the best platoon is when they're done. 01:22:23.092 --> 01:22:25.639 You know which troop did better score wise. 01:22:25.639 --> 01:22:28.843 At least in from the perspective of data, it's there. 01:22:28.843 --> 01:22:32.217 Now cognitively how do we get there? 01:22:32.217 --> 01:22:36.097 I think we pull a lot of the stuff that is going on 01:22:36.097 --> 01:22:39.187 in either West Point look at 01:22:39.187 --> 01:22:41.280 center for enhanced performance, 01:22:41.280 --> 01:22:44.832 stuff that we did back in college to get ready 01:22:44.832 --> 01:22:47.504 for races or get ready for games or whatever. 01:22:47.504 --> 01:22:49.928 And we have to pull from professional sports. 01:22:49.928 --> 01:22:52.576 Because they're, that's the lab that's doing it. 01:22:52.576 --> 01:22:53.409 - Absolutely. 01:22:53.409 --> 01:22:55.010 - [Man] And have been doing it, 01:22:55.010 --> 01:22:57.319 you know that's kind of my two cents. 01:22:57.319 --> 01:22:58.782 - There you go, no it's right on. 01:22:58.782 --> 01:23:00.204 So that's the whole idea guys, 01:23:00.204 --> 01:23:01.844 I can tell you at training events 01:23:01.844 --> 01:23:04.307 even at the Battalion commander level, I would go into them. 01:23:04.307 --> 01:23:07.279 I never really thought about who I know, 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:09.721 what do I think I'm going to get out of this event, 01:23:09.721 --> 01:23:11.775 what do I need to do to prepare myself? 01:23:11.775 --> 01:23:14.601 I did that occasionally, but most times it wasn't like hey 01:23:14.601 --> 01:23:16.871 where am I at in this and what do I want to get out of it. 01:23:16.871 --> 01:23:19.211 It was an active process of preparing for an event. 01:23:19.211 --> 01:23:21.856 And then during the event you know 01:23:21.856 --> 01:23:23.550 we all have our green notebooks, 01:23:23.550 --> 01:23:25.156 that's the term the soldiers green book. 01:23:25.156 --> 01:23:26.780 And we would write down little nuggets. 01:23:26.780 --> 01:23:28.272 Most of my books were full of doodles 01:23:28.272 --> 01:23:29.889 and things during brigade meetings, 01:23:29.889 --> 01:23:31.957 but occasionally there was a nugget in there 01:23:31.957 --> 01:23:33.377 saying hey I learned this today. 01:23:33.377 --> 01:23:35.719 And then afterwards we'd do these after action reviews. 01:23:35.719 --> 01:23:40.719 And I can tell you I've seen the gamut of quality of AR's 01:23:40.928 --> 01:23:44.162 from really worthwhile to absolutely worthless. 01:23:44.162 --> 01:23:45.427 You know? 01:23:45.427 --> 01:23:49.094 So all ideas, hey within the tactical level. 01:23:50.953 --> 01:23:54.931 What tools can we give our soldiers to prepare better 01:23:54.931 --> 01:23:57.063 and make learning an active process? 01:23:57.063 --> 01:23:59.808 Captain John Voss was sitting down here in the front row 01:23:59.808 --> 01:24:02.311 and he had to go back, he's working down at user pack now. 01:24:02.311 --> 01:24:04.639 And he had to go to another meeting with his boss, 01:24:04.639 --> 01:24:06.772 but those reflection worksheets 01:24:06.772 --> 01:24:09.100 that you see on the left hand side, we developed those 01:24:09.100 --> 01:24:10.639 with his company in Bravo 121 the gimlets. 01:24:10.639 --> 01:24:14.230 And we gave them a rudimentary system, 01:24:14.230 --> 01:24:16.981 in fact he just walked back in so I'm gonna ask John 01:24:16.981 --> 01:24:18.232 to comment mostly on what it meant to him, 01:24:18.232 --> 01:24:21.673 but I can tell you that this company took the idea 01:24:21.673 --> 01:24:24.882 of active thought self reflection and ran with it. 01:24:24.882 --> 01:24:28.131 And they ended up taking these worksheets to JRTC 01:24:28.131 --> 01:24:30.171 they have the OTC's print them out 01:24:30.171 --> 01:24:33.429 and they brought big boxes of paper reflection worksheets 01:24:33.429 --> 01:24:35.206 \out to the field in the box, 01:24:35.206 --> 01:24:36.965 and they were doing this during everything. 01:24:36.965 --> 01:24:38.968 They were also making it part of performance counseling. 01:24:38.968 --> 01:24:41.514 They were making it part of after X reviews, 01:24:41.514 --> 01:24:43.600 and John I was just singing your praises, 01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:46.850 and I just want to make a few comments. 01:24:48.551 --> 01:24:50.697 - Alright as he said my name's John Voss 01:24:50.697 --> 01:24:53.153 I was the company commander in Bravo 121. 01:24:53.153 --> 01:24:56.112 So just a couple thoughts that I would 01:24:56.112 --> 01:24:57.944 like to leave you guys with. 01:24:57.944 --> 01:25:01.005 That I'd submit to you for your use if you're interested. 01:25:01.005 --> 01:25:03.505 So first of all, so reflection 01:25:04.818 --> 01:25:07.485 naturally nests with counseling. 01:25:08.835 --> 01:25:12.869 Right so counseling works, soldiers wanna get counseled. 01:25:12.869 --> 01:25:15.688 Soldiers wanna be excellent and especially 01:25:15.688 --> 01:25:19.503 if we think you're in a combat MOS, soldiers really 01:25:19.503 --> 01:25:21.813 want feedback and they wanna become better. 01:25:21.813 --> 01:25:26.646 And so reflection is a really good way to nest that effort 01:25:28.393 --> 01:25:33.393 into kind of your normal counseling cycle and it augments it 01:25:34.910 --> 01:25:38.597 by investing the soldier in that counseling process. 01:25:38.597 --> 01:25:40.569 So he's not just getting talked at, 01:25:40.569 --> 01:25:42.806 which I think is often the standard for a 01:25:42.806 --> 01:25:47.739 young team leader whose counseling his subordinates. 01:25:47.739 --> 01:25:51.572 So an E5 is not a trained psychologist, right? 01:25:53.746 --> 01:25:57.125 But what he can do is he can help a young private 01:25:57.125 --> 01:26:00.867 who has worked through a reflection worksheet. 01:26:00.867 --> 01:26:04.356 He can help that young private process through 01:26:04.356 --> 01:26:07.469 what the private himself has identified as his strengths, 01:26:07.469 --> 01:26:10.085 weaknesses, key points of learning, 01:26:10.085 --> 01:26:13.918 and focus areas for development in the future. 01:26:16.450 --> 01:26:18.493 The other thing is that there's a lot of talk, 01:26:18.493 --> 01:26:23.493 and I would agree that there are a lot of weaknesses 01:26:23.533 --> 01:26:26.108 probably in the millennial generation, alright? 01:26:26.108 --> 01:26:28.346 But one of the strengths in the millennial generation is 01:26:28.346 --> 01:26:31.048 that they're very well known statistically, 01:26:31.048 --> 01:26:35.776 metrically, for insatiable desire for feedback. 01:26:35.776 --> 01:26:40.359 And so reflection very naturally and easily meets that. 01:26:41.547 --> 01:26:44.932 And there's a very low barrier for entry. 01:26:44.932 --> 01:26:47.206 So you don't need a fancy app. 01:26:47.206 --> 01:26:49.289 You don't need a detailed 01:26:52.108 --> 01:26:54.889 dash 10 program which is impressive. 01:26:54.889 --> 01:26:59.306 But there is a barrier for entry to that whereas with 01:27:00.344 --> 01:27:03.716 reflection, everyone of us has gone through third grade, 01:27:03.716 --> 01:27:07.422 has done a worksheet, has filled out a worksheet, 01:27:07.422 --> 01:27:09.801 so it's a very simple concept that a soldier 01:27:09.801 --> 01:27:13.134 can understand, but then pays dividends. 01:27:16.010 --> 01:27:21.010 It's easy to add to like Dan said to your training pipeline. 01:27:22.196 --> 01:27:26.828 Because you can do it as part of your PCC's, your BCI's. 01:27:26.828 --> 01:27:29.246 Where you take five minutes and fill out a worksheet 01:27:29.246 --> 01:27:33.758 and then have an actual product that you can refer back to 01:27:33.758 --> 01:27:35.872 instead of at the end of a training cycle 01:27:35.872 --> 01:27:37.219 just trying to remember. 01:27:37.219 --> 01:27:40.235 There's a lot of room for growth in terms of 01:27:40.235 --> 01:27:42.818 using serigo and digital stuff. 01:27:44.330 --> 01:27:45.389 To make that reflection process digital 01:27:45.389 --> 01:27:47.556 well I'd say is just that, 01:27:49.566 --> 01:27:51.204 that kind of thing often doesn't translate as well, 01:27:51.204 --> 01:27:55.704 it's actually not intuitive for members of our society 01:27:58.638 --> 01:28:00.412 who are digital migrants alright? 01:28:00.412 --> 01:28:02.324 The majority of our fighting 01:28:02.324 --> 01:28:05.088 population today are digital natives. 01:28:05.088 --> 01:28:08.004 They were born into the internet. 01:28:08.004 --> 01:28:12.504 And so for us, use of products like this is oftentimes 01:28:15.254 --> 01:28:18.004 non-intuitive because it doesn't, 01:28:18.911 --> 01:28:20.850 we didn't grow up with it alright? 01:28:20.850 --> 01:28:22.899 For soldiers who have done this kind of thing, 01:28:22.899 --> 01:28:26.908 he's lived on his phone his whole life, or her life, 01:28:26.908 --> 01:28:28.821 it's very natural to have a log on there 01:28:28.821 --> 01:28:32.385 and I'm sure everyone in our formations have soldiers 01:28:32.385 --> 01:28:34.962 that have vlogs or blogs that they're 01:28:34.962 --> 01:28:36.888 on the internet posting every day. 01:28:36.888 --> 01:28:41.721 And so it's not unnatural for them though it may be to us. 01:28:42.792 --> 01:28:45.822 And then finally just the other thing I would offer to you, 01:28:45.822 --> 01:28:48.339 to encourage you to do something like that, 01:28:48.339 --> 01:28:53.172 a reflection worksheet is that it very clearly contributes 01:28:56.614 --> 01:29:00.629 to mission command, because as I review what that soldier, 01:29:00.629 --> 01:29:03.954 whether it's a junior leader or a more senior leader 01:29:03.954 --> 01:29:07.315 like a platoon leader platoon sergeant, 01:29:07.315 --> 01:29:09.165 it helps me very much understanding his strengths 01:29:09.165 --> 01:29:12.248 and weaknesses and it creates a very, 01:29:16.156 --> 01:29:18.013 it breaks down walls for mentorship because 01:29:18.013 --> 01:29:21.352 then as I have an opportunity to walk through 01:29:21.352 --> 01:29:22.881 this reflection worksheet with him, 01:29:22.881 --> 01:29:27.152 I can meet him where he's at and identify the specific areas 01:29:27.152 --> 01:29:32.152 that I can contribute to what he's looking to benefit from. 01:29:32.823 --> 01:29:34.481 And it also creates an opportunity 01:29:34.481 --> 01:29:36.731 for honesty, for sincerity. 01:29:37.849 --> 01:29:39.921 I think as much as we do AR's, 01:29:39.921 --> 01:29:42.879 we are prone to not being honest with ourself. 01:29:42.879 --> 01:29:45.782 There's been several high profile articles that have 01:29:45.782 --> 01:29:50.008 talked about how we are in fact not honest with ourself. 01:29:50.008 --> 01:29:51.947 And I think that starts often at senior leader levels 01:29:51.947 --> 01:29:54.970 where we like to tout our strengths, 01:29:54.970 --> 01:29:59.324 which are manifold, we have lots of strength. 01:29:59.324 --> 01:30:02.589 But in a reflection environment you are encouraged 01:30:02.589 --> 01:30:06.089 if not forced to be reflective and honest. 01:30:06.963 --> 01:30:10.008 It builds you know ferments honesty 01:30:10.008 --> 01:30:13.439 and I think that's where then where the learning takes place 01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:16.092 in the honest kind of dialogue 01:30:16.092 --> 01:30:17.338 between you and your suboordinate. 01:30:17.338 --> 01:30:19.242 Not only for their growth but for yourself. 01:30:19.242 --> 01:30:22.843 So that's all I'll say, again it's just a submission to you 01:30:22.843 --> 01:30:25.926 for your potential use and thank you. 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:33.871 - [Man] Going back to dash 10, could I use reflection 01:30:33.871 --> 01:30:37.031 as a post check of an operation as 01:30:37.031 --> 01:30:39.019 one of the tools that's for post check. 01:30:39.019 --> 01:30:41.410 - Undoubtedly, yes certainly, yeah. 01:30:41.410 --> 01:30:43.125 - [Man] See this is where I'm trying to highlight, 01:30:43.125 --> 01:30:44.785 I'm giving you a process with a dash 10, 01:30:44.785 --> 01:30:46.232 but you're already doing a bunch of stuff 01:30:46.232 --> 01:30:47.761 just put it into a system. 01:30:47.761 --> 01:30:51.132 The other piece with this, and this goes to my neuroscience, 01:30:51.132 --> 01:30:55.382 and just so before you leave is why is that action, 01:30:59.045 --> 01:31:00.526 by the way reflection is a great 01:31:00.526 --> 01:31:03.302 development for learning, okay? 01:31:03.302 --> 01:31:07.538 But do you understand the biological reason why that's true? 01:31:07.538 --> 01:31:09.175 Do you understand the biological reason 01:31:09.175 --> 01:31:10.795 when you do pushups what it's doing? 01:31:10.795 --> 01:31:12.076 You're building muscle mass, right? 01:31:12.076 --> 01:31:14.897 So why, what is reflection building does anybody? 01:31:14.897 --> 01:31:16.708 By the way I don't wanna make you neuroscientists 01:31:16.708 --> 01:31:18.730 but you need to understand that when 01:31:18.730 --> 01:31:21.173 you're training you're building neural network. 01:31:21.173 --> 01:31:23.428 And when you build that neural, reflection actually 01:31:23.428 --> 01:31:26.212 causes that neural network to work harder. 01:31:26.212 --> 01:31:28.514 And like a muscle mass it grows 01:31:28.514 --> 01:31:30.328 more so you'll retain it more. 01:31:30.328 --> 01:31:32.927 And you get the ques and you get the triggers, 01:31:32.927 --> 01:31:34.789 cause what you're trying to do is get the triggers 01:31:34.789 --> 01:31:36.439 of what you just went through an experience, 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:39.262 reflection is great because now you go back and review 01:31:39.262 --> 01:31:42.399 the triggers that now neurally wire you into triggers 01:31:42.399 --> 01:31:44.576 so the next time you see it, it's better. 01:31:44.576 --> 01:31:46.594 So every time you do these kind of programs, 01:31:46.594 --> 01:31:48.628 they're tied to building a neural 01:31:48.628 --> 01:31:50.963 knowledge in your cognitive domain. 01:31:50.963 --> 01:31:53.771 Again I'm an infantry guy right, not a neural scientist, 01:31:53.771 --> 01:31:56.714 but we gotta know how our system works in the head 01:31:56.714 --> 01:31:59.886 as much as we do in the body cause 01:31:59.886 --> 01:32:01.824 what you're doing is good stuff, 01:32:01.824 --> 01:32:03.657 you gotta know how to put it together to make sure 01:32:03.657 --> 01:32:05.779 you get the mass effects if that makes sense. 01:32:05.779 --> 01:32:07.702 That was great by the way. 01:32:07.702 --> 01:32:10.264 - The answer to your question sir is yes. 01:32:10.264 --> 01:32:13.329 (laughing) 01:32:13.329 --> 01:32:15.393 - He was trying to escape because I told you 01:32:15.393 --> 01:32:16.835 had to go to another meeting with his boss. 01:32:16.835 --> 01:32:18.041 John thanks so much for sticking around 01:32:18.041 --> 01:32:19.453 and sharing that, it's really important. 01:32:19.453 --> 01:32:21.552 What I will tell you is watching John's company do this, 01:32:21.552 --> 01:32:22.998 the thing I would offer to you guys, 01:32:22.998 --> 01:32:24.322 you can implement this tomorrow. 01:32:24.322 --> 01:32:25.933 I think John would agree that 01:32:25.933 --> 01:32:27.285 there's some training involved. 01:32:27.285 --> 01:32:29.272 So when you put a reflection worksheet 01:32:29.272 --> 01:32:30.657 in front of a young private, 01:32:30.657 --> 01:32:32.140 he's gonna say what do I want to get better at? 01:32:32.140 --> 01:32:34.054 I want to get better at shooting my saw. 01:32:34.054 --> 01:32:36.856 Where you gotta get in there and now you gotta train 01:32:36.856 --> 01:32:39.151 your team members a little bit to say 01:32:39.151 --> 01:32:40.576 hey what part of the saws that you want, 01:32:40.576 --> 01:32:42.408 and so I think if you read the bottom of this, 01:32:42.408 --> 01:32:45.124 one of those is I am going to practice reloading my saw 01:32:45.124 --> 01:32:46.671 blindfolded in the dark until 01:32:46.671 --> 01:32:49.244 I can do it in under so may seconds. 01:32:49.244 --> 01:32:51.024 That was not the first iteration 01:32:51.024 --> 01:32:53.038 of these reflection worksheets these guys did. 01:32:53.038 --> 01:32:55.065 So just to caution to you young leaders, 01:32:55.065 --> 01:32:57.641 is if you try to do this it just takes a little bit 01:32:57.641 --> 01:32:59.508 of investment to get it the right way. 01:32:59.508 --> 01:33:01.234 Or you could just let it evolve as you go. 01:33:01.234 --> 01:33:03.222 The other thing we wanna talk about and I see 01:33:03.222 --> 01:33:05.781 Sergeant Major Spernell walking in perfect timing. 01:33:05.781 --> 01:33:09.026 But how are we continuing discussions, 01:33:09.026 --> 01:33:12.550 leveraging technology after the duty day? 01:33:12.550 --> 01:33:14.081 Or even during the duty day? 01:33:14.081 --> 01:33:16.393 And this goes back into the discussions Rob and I have had 01:33:16.393 --> 01:33:18.447 about Colonal Ryan and I have had about 01:33:18.447 --> 01:33:20.341 letting guys have smart phones on staff duty. 01:33:20.341 --> 01:33:23.925 Or letting guys have their cell phones in the field. 01:33:23.925 --> 01:33:26.371 Which don't get, I'm not advocating that 01:33:26.371 --> 01:33:28.221 and I know there's an issue with that. 01:33:28.221 --> 01:33:31.790 But If you can use it for a professional discussion 01:33:31.790 --> 01:33:35.183 and they continue to grow people, why not? 01:33:35.183 --> 01:33:37.613 My argument to him was always like 01:33:37.613 --> 01:33:39.585 hey if I'm a team leader and I've got three guys 01:33:39.585 --> 01:33:41.481 who are like this on their phone facetiming 01:33:41.481 --> 01:33:43.302 and instagraming and snapchatting 01:33:43.302 --> 01:33:45.769 and whatever silly cat video they wanna watch? 01:33:45.769 --> 01:33:48.128 I'd go down there and fire a team leader. 01:33:48.128 --> 01:33:50.672 Cause it's up to that, in the end it's up to us 01:33:50.672 --> 01:33:53.219 first line supervisors to say hey this is what 01:33:53.219 --> 01:33:55.127 we should be doing boys and girls let's get after this. 01:33:55.127 --> 01:33:58.627 Okay but we're using, we've used Facebook. 01:34:01.974 --> 01:34:05.053 The Alpha company 235 has been using commercial off 01:34:05.053 --> 01:34:08.665 the shelf thing called slack if you've ever heard of it. 01:34:08.665 --> 01:34:10.711 And they really like it, they really 01:34:10.711 --> 01:34:13.428 and what's funny was I fundamentally disagree 01:34:13.428 --> 01:34:15.004 with the privates on this, but it is what it is. 01:34:15.004 --> 01:34:19.111 They say for the first time in my career, my short career, 01:34:19.111 --> 01:34:21.190 I know what's going on in the company. 01:34:21.190 --> 01:34:23.665 And I know all the leaders here are going to say 01:34:23.665 --> 01:34:25.276 wait a minute, we got training schedules, 01:34:25.276 --> 01:34:26.647 we got white boards, they're 01:34:26.647 --> 01:34:28.029 all posted all over the company area, 01:34:28.029 --> 01:34:30.709 but why is it that the privates are finally saying 01:34:30.709 --> 01:34:32.377 they know what's going on in the company? 01:34:32.377 --> 01:34:34.345 We don't have to like it, we just have to 01:34:34.345 --> 01:34:37.263 understand that that's what they're doing. 01:34:37.263 --> 01:34:39.680 Pete you wanna say something? 01:34:43.541 --> 01:34:46.639 - So definitely within the companies and battalions 01:34:46.639 --> 01:34:49.102 soldiers always say that they have no idea what's going on. 01:34:49.102 --> 01:34:53.050 As battalions we have battalion training meetings 01:34:53.050 --> 01:34:55.055 where we go to Fort Smith theater, 01:34:55.055 --> 01:34:56.818 we invite the whole battalion there. 01:34:56.818 --> 01:34:57.805 Every single soldier. 01:34:57.805 --> 01:35:00.091 We have company training meetings, 01:35:00.091 --> 01:35:02.100 platoon training meetings every week. 01:35:02.100 --> 01:35:05.080 They, the training calendar is given to them. 01:35:05.080 --> 01:35:10.080 But for whatever reason, the form that we do they're not, 01:35:10.146 --> 01:35:14.182 they're not receptive to that it's not syncing in. 01:35:14.182 --> 01:35:16.591 We are cause we're use to that, 01:35:16.591 --> 01:35:19.695 but an application like slack is very, 01:35:19.695 --> 01:35:23.112 it's like a social mediaish type platform 01:35:24.380 --> 01:35:27.068 and I think that's why they feel 01:35:27.068 --> 01:35:29.870 they're being communicated to on this because it's 01:35:29.870 --> 01:35:31.901 more native to the soldiers that are coming up. 01:35:31.901 --> 01:35:34.307 So when you really wanna get information down 01:35:34.307 --> 01:35:36.784 to the lowest level and understanding and buy in, 01:35:36.784 --> 01:35:39.117 this app helps tremendously. 01:35:46.415 --> 01:35:47.984 - Yes sir I'm Sergeant Branson from 01:35:47.984 --> 01:35:49.756 the light academy air assault school. 01:35:49.756 --> 01:35:52.527 So my thing is this is great, 01:35:52.527 --> 01:35:55.065 it helps get soldiers to celebrate 01:35:55.065 --> 01:35:56.988 and learn growth and all this. 01:35:56.988 --> 01:35:59.332 It goes back to me when I was a private. 01:35:59.332 --> 01:36:01.582 Back here in 98, or my EIB. 01:36:02.927 --> 01:36:05.584 But what happened was my squad leader 01:36:05.584 --> 01:36:08.147 took a battalion and built our team. 01:36:08.147 --> 01:36:11.148 And I earned my EIB so I think if we could just 01:36:11.148 --> 01:36:14.565 go back to that team building as a squad, 01:36:17.084 --> 01:36:20.121 platoon, unit, whatever, that'd help soldiers 01:36:20.121 --> 01:36:22.454 learn better and wanna be part of the team. 01:36:22.454 --> 01:36:24.604 Cause right now soldiers don't feel 01:36:24.604 --> 01:36:26.499 like they're being taken care of, you know. 01:36:26.499 --> 01:36:29.778 So they just turn back and just turn the other way. 01:36:29.778 --> 01:36:31.460 So we can get that team building back, 01:36:31.460 --> 01:36:35.037 I think that'd help get soldiers to be a whole lot better. 01:36:35.037 --> 01:36:36.954 That's just my opinion. 01:36:42.038 --> 01:36:44.076 - Thank you sir. 01:36:44.076 --> 01:36:46.206 Hey I used to be an infantry man until 01:36:46.206 --> 01:36:48.389 the Army took my blue cord away about a decade ago. 01:36:48.389 --> 01:36:50.974 But with that about 35 years in the Army, 01:36:50.974 --> 01:36:53.318 the most powerful app I ever had 01:36:53.318 --> 01:36:55.681 for this was my platoon sergeant. 01:36:55.681 --> 01:36:58.362 The most powerful way that I could do 01:36:58.362 --> 01:36:59.974 all this we were talking about, 01:36:59.974 --> 01:37:01.924 and the science and technology is great, 01:37:01.924 --> 01:37:03.678 but we can't take the human domain out of it. 01:37:03.678 --> 01:37:06.112 The platoon sergeant is the most powerful position 01:37:06.112 --> 01:37:09.608 I've ever held the entire time I've been in the military. 01:37:09.608 --> 01:37:13.393 At that position I had the power invested in me 01:37:13.393 --> 01:37:17.207 from my commander now through mission command. 01:37:17.207 --> 01:37:20.542 And of course the regulations and all that we have, 01:37:20.542 --> 01:37:22.596 the policies that I follow and that there, 01:37:22.596 --> 01:37:24.812 but as well I had the life experiences 01:37:24.812 --> 01:37:28.359 and the knowledge base that I could control every 01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:33.359 single thing that 44 men in my platoon did, 24/7/365. 01:37:34.220 --> 01:37:36.650 Why they came in, why they served, who they are, 01:37:36.650 --> 01:37:38.396 what they will do, everything about them on that. 01:37:38.396 --> 01:37:41.229 So we have to be careful you know. 01:37:42.177 --> 01:37:44.751 I had those same duties and responsibilities 01:37:44.751 --> 01:37:46.514 as a team leader and a squad leader, 01:37:46.514 --> 01:37:50.136 but I didn't have the life knowledge on that, 01:37:50.136 --> 01:37:53.138 the life experiences and the experience as a soldier 01:37:53.138 --> 01:37:54.887 to be able to do that as well 01:37:54.887 --> 01:37:56.647 as I could when I was a platoon sergeant. 01:37:56.647 --> 01:37:58.354 I could do it when I was a First Sergeant, 01:37:58.354 --> 01:38:01.033 but then I couldn't know every single person 01:38:01.033 --> 01:38:03.812 in the company to 100% like I could to the platoon. 01:38:03.812 --> 01:38:05.304 I had to depend on systems, 01:38:05.304 --> 01:38:06.597 subordinate leaders on that tier. 01:38:06.597 --> 01:38:09.365 But the most powerful app that we have today 01:38:09.365 --> 01:38:13.161 in the human domain of it there is the platoon sergeant. 01:38:13.161 --> 01:38:15.220 I've also seen and I've felt 01:38:15.220 --> 01:38:17.819 at first I blamed it on the GWAT and see 01:38:17.819 --> 01:38:21.037 when we were in the, that we were surging 01:38:21.037 --> 01:38:22.885 and we started outsourcing our leadership. 01:38:22.885 --> 01:38:26.993 But then I think maybe no we've been doing that passively 01:38:26.993 --> 01:38:29.657 for quite some time I just didn't realize it, 01:38:29.657 --> 01:38:31.207 maybe I was doing it too. 01:38:31.207 --> 01:38:33.255 We have 122 programs in the Army 01:38:33.255 --> 01:38:35.914 to try to replace the platoon sergeant. 01:38:35.914 --> 01:38:39.308 Sharp, we have Sharp we all know it very much, 01:38:39.308 --> 01:38:42.703 you're educated to it a whole lot of time on that there. 01:38:42.703 --> 01:38:44.953 But is Sharp not a bandaid? 01:38:46.894 --> 01:38:48.584 Are we treating the symptom 01:38:48.584 --> 01:38:50.583 and who could better treat the symptom, 01:38:50.583 --> 01:38:52.975 cause what it is is a lack of character. 01:38:52.975 --> 01:38:56.012 And we can turn that character into uniculture 01:38:56.012 --> 01:39:00.593 but who could better do that than a platoon sergeant? 01:39:00.593 --> 01:39:03.674 That you build that every day in all that you do on that. 01:39:03.674 --> 01:39:06.238 You know I seen it back years ago 01:39:06.238 --> 01:39:07.682 we started with a stress card. 01:39:07.682 --> 01:39:09.497 You know then we're gonna go through the rooms 01:39:09.497 --> 01:39:11.138 and say you don't need to be regimentalized, 01:39:11.138 --> 01:39:12.753 make your blankets how you want to and all that. 01:39:12.753 --> 01:39:14.778 We lost some empowerment of the 01:39:14.778 --> 01:39:16.748 platoon sergeant right there. 01:39:16.748 --> 01:39:18.720 So I just say that the human domain part of it 01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:21.047 and everything is do not cut short 01:39:21.047 --> 01:39:23.673 the American Rifle Platoon Sergeant. 01:39:23.673 --> 01:39:26.013 Or the section sergeants out there that are doing that. 01:39:26.013 --> 01:39:27.716 That's the most powerful thing we have 01:39:27.716 --> 01:39:29.412 and putting these tools in our hands 01:39:29.412 --> 01:39:30.868 make a pound that and educate them. 01:39:30.868 --> 01:39:33.639 It's be huge for winning on the battlefield. 01:39:33.639 --> 01:39:34.472 Thanks. 01:39:39.603 --> 01:39:41.085 - Okay so Dan's thrown me under 01:39:41.085 --> 01:39:43.785 the bus twice on my virtualism. 01:39:43.785 --> 01:39:46.446 I think one of the discussions the Army has to have 01:39:46.446 --> 01:39:48.537 is what's the physical virtual paradigm? 01:39:48.537 --> 01:39:50.661 Is it 70/30, is it 80/20? 01:39:50.661 --> 01:39:53.650 If any of you came in and I was your orthopedic surgeon 01:39:53.650 --> 01:39:55.438 and you're laying on a gurney, 01:39:55.438 --> 01:39:57.154 and I'm on Facebook before surgery, 01:39:57.154 --> 01:39:59.903 you're probably limping out, okay? 01:39:59.903 --> 01:40:02.315 For some reason it became okay to 01:40:02.315 --> 01:40:04.110 come to work with your cellphone. 01:40:04.110 --> 01:40:07.501 And it is a great tool if used as a tool. 01:40:07.501 --> 01:40:09.919 The problem is we waste too much time. 01:40:09.919 --> 01:40:11.715 My favorite thing to talk about 01:40:11.715 --> 01:40:14.036 and Sergeant Major and I are friends is, 01:40:14.036 --> 01:40:16.129 every day we have an interaction with 01:40:16.129 --> 01:40:18.821 leader lead one to one, it's called CQ and staff duty. 01:40:18.821 --> 01:40:21.820 What's deliverable to you company commanders and commanders? 01:40:21.820 --> 01:40:25.135 What does that soldier, I can tie six knots, 01:40:25.135 --> 01:40:27.258 I can put together the saw in under one minute, 01:40:27.258 --> 01:40:28.596 what do they deliver to you everyday? 01:40:28.596 --> 01:40:30.390 And if it's nothing, then you are 01:40:30.390 --> 01:40:33.103 getting the behaviors you tolerate, period. 01:40:33.103 --> 01:40:36.355 If it's something and it's physical, 01:40:36.355 --> 01:40:38.711 and it can be virtually hey read this article. 01:40:38.711 --> 01:40:41.995 You know General retired Palmer brought up a great point, 01:40:41.995 --> 01:40:43.830 if you ever want a great article to read, 01:40:43.830 --> 01:40:48.558 Herbert Spiegel wrote a thing called the X Factor in 1944. 01:40:48.558 --> 01:40:52.161 Talks about morality and it talks about cohesion. 01:40:52.161 --> 01:40:54.628 Because that's what if you want to defeat these mechanisms 01:40:54.628 --> 01:40:56.226 and tie back to the human dimension, 01:40:56.226 --> 01:40:58.256 that's what gets you through the trial. 01:40:58.256 --> 01:41:00.734 Why does one unit fight for 26 hours in a 01:41:00.734 --> 01:41:03.157 hurricane force and two units retreat? 01:41:03.157 --> 01:41:06.309 It talks about that explanation about why that exists. 01:41:06.309 --> 01:41:09.051 Have we lost that, is it service? 01:41:09.051 --> 01:41:12.023 And across the services because of virtualism? 01:41:12.023 --> 01:41:14.238 How do we find that right weighted 01:41:14.238 --> 01:41:16.108 perspective on how to do this? 01:41:16.108 --> 01:41:18.715 It's difficult, and what you see a lot 01:41:18.715 --> 01:41:21.601 is likership and not leadership. 01:41:21.601 --> 01:41:23.200 You see a lot more when you go 01:41:23.200 --> 01:41:26.191 virtualism to management and not leadership. 01:41:26.191 --> 01:41:28.187 What we need is fixed leadership. 01:41:28.187 --> 01:41:30.273 That's the part that Dan and I talk about 01:41:30.273 --> 01:41:32.204 every weekend when I hang out with him, 01:41:32.204 --> 01:41:35.621 as I said don't judge me because of that. 01:41:38.355 --> 01:41:39.760 - Hey some great points from Major, 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.604 I didn't even see you sneak in so that was good. 01:41:42.604 --> 01:41:43.992 I'll get to you in just a minute. 01:41:43.992 --> 01:41:46.188 I just, I can't agree with more of what you said 01:41:46.188 --> 01:41:49.065 Sergeant Major and you know that's one of my pet peeves. 01:41:49.065 --> 01:41:51.128 Is all this 32-1 requirements that are 01:41:51.128 --> 01:41:52.882 getting handed out to everybody, 01:41:52.882 --> 01:41:55.300 I'm like hey look if you have high standards and you have 01:41:55.300 --> 01:41:57.576 a culture of excellence and a espirit de corps, 01:41:57.576 --> 01:42:00.623 you don't have sharp problems, you don't have EO problems. 01:42:00.623 --> 01:42:02.965 So I agree with you 100% Sergeant Major, 01:42:02.965 --> 01:42:04.318 you platoon sergeants you guys 01:42:04.318 --> 01:42:06.404 are the climate of that organization, 01:42:06.404 --> 01:42:09.430 the continuity and I agree with you 100% Sergeant Major 01:42:09.430 --> 01:42:11.975 and just like, and I love it in fact I'll tell a story, 01:42:11.975 --> 01:42:14.145 I know I threw you under the bus but, 01:42:14.145 --> 01:42:17.143 I walked in there we were going to promote 01:42:17.143 --> 01:42:19.233 a young officer to Captain that works for me 01:42:19.233 --> 01:42:21.903 or works with me and Colonel Ryan was gracious enough 01:42:21.903 --> 01:42:23.564 to do the promotion ceremony, 01:42:23.564 --> 01:42:25.920 and I walked up to get him out of his office 01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:29.145 he was sitting at this staff duty desk talking to his staff 01:42:29.145 --> 01:42:32.342 duty office NCO's and privates about PCC's and PCI's. 01:42:32.342 --> 01:42:36.292 And I said that's what leadership is all about, and that's 01:42:36.292 --> 01:42:39.196 leveraging the time every day to grow your people. 01:42:39.196 --> 01:42:42.265 And what I would just add then he's got them doing knots 01:42:42.265 --> 01:42:45.069 and gets got them doing machine guns and things like that 01:42:45.069 --> 01:42:47.094 he's got a box at the staff duty desk 01:42:47.094 --> 01:42:48.626 that they can get after skills. 01:42:48.626 --> 01:42:51.037 Well you can also do things like, we took old life cycle 01:42:51.037 --> 01:42:53.506 computers before we deployed task force no fear Afghanistan. 01:42:53.506 --> 01:42:56.443 Put tactical postue on them and put them at every CQ desk. 01:42:56.443 --> 01:42:59.988 You know my pet peeve having cert CQ for four years and then 01:42:59.988 --> 01:43:04.302 been a staff duty officer, I watched a lot of grass grow. 01:43:04.302 --> 01:43:07.669 Whether that was in the quad at Second Ranger Battalion 01:43:07.669 --> 01:43:10.451 or in Dquad and I'd see these guys 01:43:10.451 --> 01:43:13.018 and they're not leveraging the time we have, 01:43:13.018 --> 01:43:14.710 you got soldiers sitting there for 24 hours. 01:43:14.710 --> 01:43:16.610 Let's get after some of these things 01:43:16.610 --> 01:43:18.661 or whatever those tactical individuals 01:43:18.661 --> 01:43:21.296 or small uni collective tasks that we wanna get after, 01:43:21.296 --> 01:43:22.490 so great point. 01:43:22.490 --> 01:43:24.912 Now the last thing also what I would tell you 01:43:24.912 --> 01:43:26.910 is when is that discussion happening, 01:43:26.910 --> 01:43:29.300 and the only point I will make in terms of the Facebook 01:43:29.300 --> 01:43:31.722 and John and I have had some good discussions on this. 01:43:31.722 --> 01:43:34.550 Hey my soldiers go home at night and I don't think it's fair 01:43:34.550 --> 01:43:36.180 to ask them to be on Facebook 01:43:36.180 --> 01:43:39.013 discussing the defensive hill 781. 01:43:40.125 --> 01:43:42.050 I fundamentally disagreed with him. 01:43:42.050 --> 01:43:44.363 I sit at the beach with my iPad doing serigo. 01:43:44.363 --> 01:43:46.961 I sit at the beach and I'm reading articles. 01:43:46.961 --> 01:43:50.079 I'm sitting at the beach arguing with him about whether 01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:52.623 technology is useful or whether it's a distraction. 01:43:52.623 --> 01:43:55.044 Because professionals as General Brown said, 01:43:55.044 --> 01:43:57.198 we've gotta be professional, 01:43:57.198 --> 01:43:59.308 we gotta figure out that and again, it's not going away. 01:43:59.308 --> 01:44:01.640 So the last thing and this whole active learning process 01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:04.354 of learn from yourself through reflection, 01:44:04.354 --> 01:44:05.777 learn from others through some 01:44:05.777 --> 01:44:07.181 type of community discussion, 01:44:07.181 --> 01:44:09.453 the last portion that really is important 01:44:09.453 --> 01:44:11.957 is how do we leverage the experience 01:44:11.957 --> 01:44:16.659 of guys who come before us, guys and gals okay? 01:44:16.659 --> 01:44:18.923 When I want though that TAP program, 01:44:18.923 --> 01:44:21.247 ETAP program when I retired five years ago they said hey, 01:44:21.247 --> 01:44:23.586 hey Colonel Wilson you're a soldier for life 01:44:23.586 --> 01:44:25.565 and we wanna leverage that experience, 01:44:25.565 --> 01:44:27.857 you are not hanging up your uniform 01:44:27.857 --> 01:44:30.045 you are gonna continue to be a service to us. 01:44:30.045 --> 01:44:32.121 And yet what I've seen is that we don't do that. 01:44:32.121 --> 01:44:34.754 I've got four combat deployments under my belt, 01:44:34.754 --> 01:44:37.113 I think I've learned something over the 12 years 01:44:37.113 --> 01:44:39.431 of combat that I served with this division. 01:44:39.431 --> 01:44:41.305 And with the 75th ranger regiment. 01:44:41.305 --> 01:44:43.067 And nobody's tapping into that, 01:44:43.067 --> 01:44:44.505 so one of the things we've been doing 01:44:44.505 --> 01:44:46.441 on the Soldiers Green Book program is to say hey, 01:44:46.441 --> 01:44:49.215 retiring Colonel, Retiring Sergeant Major, 01:44:49.215 --> 01:44:51.266 Retiring First Sergeant, would you be willing 01:44:51.266 --> 01:44:54.774 to pass your experience that was so hard fought and won 01:44:54.774 --> 01:44:57.039 onto the next generation of soldiers 01:44:57.039 --> 01:44:59.499 so they're not making the same mistakes they are? 01:44:59.499 --> 01:45:02.602 And I'm please to introduce if you're ready Sergeant Major, 01:45:02.602 --> 01:45:05.519 I know, I'm not gonna take a break. 01:45:06.419 --> 01:45:08.998 We were gonna take a break guys but we're running over 01:45:08.998 --> 01:45:10.231 and I want to make sure we got 01:45:10.231 --> 01:45:11.577 if you need to use the restroom guys, 01:45:11.577 --> 01:45:13.095 I would encourage that. 01:45:13.095 --> 01:45:14.903 You know normally that's one of my old soldier things 01:45:14.903 --> 01:45:16.984 I don't like is when people get up and wander out 01:45:16.984 --> 01:45:18.233 but we're gonna keep driving through. 01:45:18.233 --> 01:45:20.589 But I wanna just introduce the PaCom's senior 01:45:20.589 --> 01:45:23.691 enlisted advisor Marine Corps 01:45:23.691 --> 01:45:25.870 sergeant major Anthony Spadaro. 01:45:25.870 --> 01:45:27.243 And I just wanna tell you, 01:45:27.243 --> 01:45:30.292 I mean he's served as obviously if he's the PaCom senior 01:45:30.292 --> 01:45:32.058 enlisted advisor he's served at 01:45:32.058 --> 01:45:34.802 a leadership in every position the best Com, 01:45:34.802 --> 01:45:36.632 I've only talked to him one time 01:45:36.632 --> 01:45:38.471 I spent about an hour and a half in his office, 01:45:38.471 --> 01:45:40.252 I just wish he would have been my Platoon Sergeant 01:45:40.252 --> 01:45:42.505 or my First Sergeant or my Command Sergeant Major 01:45:42.505 --> 01:45:44.272 that's how much I respect this guy 01:45:44.272 --> 01:45:45.663 and I know he's gonna say good things. 01:45:45.663 --> 01:45:47.058 - Thanks man. 01:45:47.058 --> 01:45:50.613 - Do I need this, I got a big boy voice. 01:45:50.613 --> 01:45:52.814 - [Dan] They're broadcasting. 01:45:52.814 --> 01:45:54.629 - Hey, aloha! 01:45:54.629 --> 01:45:57.882 Hey apologies that well this is not the PaCom uniform 01:45:57.882 --> 01:46:00.925 the day the Marine Corps does not advocate leadership 01:46:00.925 --> 01:46:04.939 but I just had the great honor and just picked up 01:46:04.939 --> 01:46:06.635 Admiral Davison at the airport, 01:46:06.635 --> 01:46:09.364 he's gonna be the new geographical combatant commander, 01:46:09.364 --> 01:46:11.638 so it's kinda cool so I kinda rushed over here 01:46:11.638 --> 01:46:14.183 I couldn't do it everyone likes to think we're superman 01:46:14.183 --> 01:46:16.778 non commisioned officers that I could walk in, 01:46:16.778 --> 01:46:19.169 rip it off I'm in uniform, so apologies, so. 01:46:19.169 --> 01:46:23.004 And it's kind of Navy too and I really haven't sold out 01:46:23.004 --> 01:46:28.004 but hey so I got to thank you and I got to thank my brother 01:46:28.030 --> 01:46:30.908 back there named Trey Johnson for dragging me up here. 01:46:30.908 --> 01:46:32.727 And I'm hoping we can make this 01:46:32.727 --> 01:46:35.250 actually an interactive thing because I'm also gonna play on 01:46:35.250 --> 01:46:37.257 a very dear brother of mine named Ranger Rick Merritt 01:46:37.257 --> 01:46:39.457 on some of these points that you're all trying to bring up. 01:46:39.457 --> 01:46:41.885 Cause first off I'm going what the hell 01:46:41.885 --> 01:46:43.819 do you need me up here for? 01:46:43.819 --> 01:46:45.527 Well let's think about it. 01:46:45.527 --> 01:46:46.998 Why do you need a Sergeant Major, 01:46:46.998 --> 01:46:49.606 someone who has 33 years of service, 01:46:49.606 --> 01:46:51.411 why do you need me up here? 01:46:51.411 --> 01:46:53.362 I've heard some of the comments already. 01:46:53.362 --> 01:46:54.951 I love what you said, Sir. 01:46:54.951 --> 01:46:56.876 That was dynamite and I love what our ranger brother said. 01:46:56.876 --> 01:46:57.709 Dynamite. 01:46:58.562 --> 01:47:01.568 But I've also seen some of people back here. 01:47:01.568 --> 01:47:03.325 Have we advocated? 01:47:03.325 --> 01:47:05.472 It's a question to you, this can be interactive. 01:47:05.472 --> 01:47:07.067 Have we given it away? 01:47:07.067 --> 01:47:08.834 Cause I'm concerned if that's your point 01:47:08.834 --> 01:47:11.598 as a company commander as a Lieutenant, 01:47:11.598 --> 01:47:13.326 have we given it away? 01:47:13.326 --> 01:47:15.765 All the hard work that Ranger Rick and I 01:47:15.765 --> 01:47:18.559 did over the years, is it gone, did we fail you? 01:47:18.559 --> 01:47:21.322 I have to start thinking about that. 01:47:21.322 --> 01:47:23.468 I have to lay awake at night because 01:47:23.468 --> 01:47:25.643 I hear about what's going on in our military. 01:47:25.643 --> 01:47:27.886 And it could be the Army, it could be the Navy, 01:47:27.886 --> 01:47:29.272 it could be the Marine Corps, 01:47:29.272 --> 01:47:32.059 you name it the Air Force, have we given it away? 01:47:32.059 --> 01:47:34.567 Have the old guys and gals failed you? 01:47:34.567 --> 01:47:37.049 Cause maybe that's the indictment. 01:47:37.049 --> 01:47:39.132 Is that a true statement? 01:47:40.491 --> 01:47:42.037 - [Man] I don't think you, sir. 01:47:42.037 --> 01:47:44.289 - Well why not because you're hearing all these things 01:47:44.289 --> 01:47:46.815 we have all these issues, how many programs Ranger Rick? 01:47:46.815 --> 01:47:48.182 - [Ranger Rick] 122. 01:47:48.182 --> 01:47:50.254 - 122 programs telling you how to do 01:47:50.254 --> 01:47:51.924 your job as a company commander. 01:47:51.924 --> 01:47:54.570 You can't do your job, is that it? 01:47:54.570 --> 01:47:59.238 Did we fail you because we had to agree to this stuff. 01:47:59.238 --> 01:48:03.992 Are we saying you are incapable as a leader of soldiers? 01:48:03.992 --> 01:48:06.280 I'm not trying to put you on the spot, 01:48:06.280 --> 01:48:08.794 I just saw the First Captain, first bright shiny object. 01:48:08.794 --> 01:48:09.657 I'm attracted to bright, 01:48:09.657 --> 01:48:10.848 you know I'll bother Lieutenant here 01:48:10.848 --> 01:48:13.304 if I can't do it okay no, where are the other Captains? 01:48:13.304 --> 01:48:14.554 Okay why ma'am? 01:48:20.339 --> 01:48:22.375 - [Woman] I disagree that it's not that we've failed, 01:48:22.375 --> 01:48:24.488 I think we've become complacent. 01:48:24.488 --> 01:48:25.521 It's a people business. 01:48:25.521 --> 01:48:27.266 - Whose complacent, me or you. 01:48:27.266 --> 01:48:28.757 - [Woman] Both. 01:48:28.757 --> 01:48:29.590 - Okay how? 01:48:29.590 --> 01:48:31.797 - [Woman] We became complacent when we 01:48:31.797 --> 01:48:34.274 transitioned into a known environment. 01:48:34.274 --> 01:48:35.608 - In a what? 01:48:35.608 --> 01:48:37.065 - [Woman] When the fight became familiar. 01:48:37.065 --> 01:48:38.093 - Okay. 01:48:38.093 --> 01:48:39.266 - [Woman] Is when we became complacent. 01:48:39.266 --> 01:48:40.898 - Ah interesting, I like where you're going here. 01:48:40.898 --> 01:48:42.836 - [Woman] So the three multi learning domains of 01:48:42.836 --> 01:48:46.276 operational experience, institutional and self development. 01:48:46.276 --> 01:48:48.669 There's a gap and it's called leadership. 01:48:48.669 --> 01:48:50.590 It's called mentorship. 01:48:50.590 --> 01:48:52.954 Institution is attempting to compensate through doctrine, 01:48:52.954 --> 01:48:56.371 through guidelines, through DA Pamphlets, 01:48:57.315 --> 01:48:59.480 to tell us how to get to it. 01:48:59.480 --> 01:49:01.245 That's not how we get to it. 01:49:01.245 --> 01:49:02.369 - How do we get to it? 01:49:02.369 --> 01:49:04.577 - [Woman] We get to it by empowering the leaders 01:49:04.577 --> 01:49:08.736 and teaching them to teach, coach, teach mentor. 01:49:08.736 --> 01:49:10.491 - From your peers I hear we are not giving you 01:49:10.491 --> 01:49:12.161 enough time, is that true? 01:49:12.161 --> 01:49:13.342 - [Woman] That is correct. 01:49:13.342 --> 01:49:15.041 - Okay is that a true statement? 01:49:15.041 --> 01:49:18.158 Okay you know who knows about that statement right now? 01:49:18.158 --> 01:49:20.347 A guy named James Mattis, you have to know 01:49:20.347 --> 01:49:22.072 he's also the secretary of defense. 01:49:22.072 --> 01:49:25.129 It's one cool thing that I get to sit on these panels now 01:49:25.129 --> 01:49:28.090 in these tanks at the Pentagon and this is one thing 01:49:28.090 --> 01:49:30.380 if you noticed he did send out a white letter last year 01:49:30.380 --> 01:49:32.986 to said to give you back more time. 01:49:32.986 --> 01:49:35.180 However I've been talking to company commanders, 01:49:35.180 --> 01:49:38.450 and they keep telling me the time's not back. 01:49:38.450 --> 01:49:42.000 But I asked to look at your training schedules, 01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:44.966 and I'm trying to see what you can take back 01:49:44.966 --> 01:49:46.875 to that and I see no action. 01:49:46.875 --> 01:49:51.011 - [Woman] In terms of getting the time back Sergeant Major, 01:49:51.011 --> 01:49:54.181 it is not so much that we are not being given time back 01:49:54.181 --> 01:49:56.675 as there are too may competing priorities, 01:49:56.675 --> 01:49:57.807 and if everything is a priority, 01:49:57.807 --> 01:50:00.233 - Like what, give me the competing, let's talk, 01:50:00.233 --> 01:50:02.148 I don't want to talk theoreticals in here now. 01:50:02.148 --> 01:50:04.324 We have open room, is the Chatham house rules in here? 01:50:04.324 --> 01:50:06.353 Okay cause I got a lot of trouble for that 01:50:06.353 --> 01:50:08.167 no fatty statement yesterday okay? 01:50:08.167 --> 01:50:09.876 (laughing) 01:50:09.876 --> 01:50:12.004 I had to go see the lawyers last night at 1830, 01:50:12.004 --> 01:50:15.083 did I really say the no fatty statement and yes I did, 01:50:15.083 --> 01:50:17.521 cause the sec desk said, cause we've allowed 01:50:17.521 --> 01:50:19.137 no fatty's have't we, or we've allowed the fatties. 01:50:19.137 --> 01:50:21.804 Do we have fatties in our ranks? 01:50:23.575 --> 01:50:25.882 Yeah, yeah we admire that but I'm not giving you 01:50:25.882 --> 01:50:27.717 time to get the fatties in shape? 01:50:27.717 --> 01:50:29.895 - [Woman] It's not that we don't have time. 01:50:29.895 --> 01:50:31.310 - Do we PT in the morning? 01:50:31.310 --> 01:50:32.143 - [Woman] We do Sergeant Major. 01:50:32.143 --> 01:50:33.010 - We do, does your unit PT? 01:50:33.010 --> 01:50:33.843 - [Woman] We do. 01:50:33.843 --> 01:50:35.657 - Does every unit here PT in the morning? 01:50:35.657 --> 01:50:38.385 Everyone does and now why do we have a problem then? 01:50:38.385 --> 01:50:41.421 All the problems you just identified because when you have 01:50:41.421 --> 01:50:44.462 a soldier out there for PT in the morning you get to 01:50:44.462 --> 01:50:46.401 look them in the running lights, 01:50:46.401 --> 01:50:48.853 you get to smell some things that were coming up from them, 01:50:48.853 --> 01:50:50.513 that determined how long the run went, 01:50:50.513 --> 01:50:52.607 just a little secret don't let them find out about that. 01:50:52.607 --> 01:50:54.751 Cause that's how I used to judge how long the runs gonna go. 01:50:54.751 --> 01:50:57.394 If they all smell like a brewery on Monday morning 01:50:57.394 --> 01:50:59.406 it was going to be a really long run 01:50:59.406 --> 01:51:01.219 because I'd get it all out of their system 01:51:01.219 --> 01:51:03.761 so they were productive the rest of the time. 01:51:03.761 --> 01:51:05.800 And I used to watch after a while, 01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:09.881 oh my God Monday morning he's gonna run us til we throw up. 01:51:09.881 --> 01:51:12.372 That's right and what did they start to do on Sunday? 01:51:12.372 --> 01:51:14.491 They started to have a little shift. 01:51:14.491 --> 01:51:16.183 Maybe we shouldn't drink as much. 01:51:16.183 --> 01:51:19.297 And then Thursday field day nights, 01:51:19.297 --> 01:51:21.473 remember these things called field days? 01:51:21.473 --> 01:51:23.562 All the old guys are shaking their head, 01:51:23.562 --> 01:51:25.435 young kids you remember field days, you heard of that thing? 01:51:25.435 --> 01:51:26.268 Okay. 01:51:26.268 --> 01:51:28.394 What would they drink field days, they'd drink a lot. 01:51:28.394 --> 01:51:31.561 Friday Slay-X they knew it was coming. 01:51:33.664 --> 01:51:35.527 And I had that time, and we only had what two hours? 01:51:35.527 --> 01:51:38.198 And that was to change and do all that stuff. 01:51:38.198 --> 01:51:40.240 But am I giving you back time? 01:51:40.240 --> 01:51:41.824 I'm not setting you up I'm just playing with you. 01:51:41.824 --> 01:51:43.696 You just were perfect Captain Elliott thank you. 01:51:43.696 --> 01:51:48.322 But perfect, are we giving you back the time, anyone else? 01:51:48.322 --> 01:51:49.155 Sir? 01:51:50.583 --> 01:51:54.001 - Sergeant Major the shift has changed. 01:51:54.001 --> 01:51:56.925 So we are accepting some of the things. 01:51:56.925 --> 01:51:58.768 We had to agree on both ends. 01:51:58.768 --> 01:52:02.719 So some of the doctrine that was put in from your time. 01:52:02.719 --> 01:52:05.472 Somebody somewhere said okay this is a good idea. 01:52:05.472 --> 01:52:08.518 And now the soldiers that are in now 01:52:08.518 --> 01:52:10.573 are not really finding it. 01:52:10.573 --> 01:52:13.166 So you look at those soldiers in PT, 01:52:13.166 --> 01:52:16.269 there is an acceptance of failure. 01:52:16.269 --> 01:52:19.716 I see soldiers walking on the PT track on Monday. 01:52:19.716 --> 01:52:21.610 These soldiers are still in the military. 01:52:21.610 --> 01:52:23.136 I see people making. 01:52:23.136 --> 01:52:25.084 - [Sergeant Major] Are we afraid to yell at them though? 01:52:25.084 --> 01:52:26.724 - [Man] We get in trouble if we yell at them. 01:52:26.724 --> 01:52:27.685 - [Sergeant Major] Who gets in trouble? 01:52:27.685 --> 01:52:29.081 - [Man] If you try to correct the soldier, 01:52:29.081 --> 01:52:31.720 why are you telling at that soldier, things of that nature. 01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:32.814 - [Sergeant Major] Who says that I want to 01:52:32.814 --> 01:52:34.254 find out their names and I'm serious. 01:52:34.254 --> 01:52:35.329 Just lay me their names. 01:52:35.329 --> 01:52:36.692 - [Man] Different instances Sergeant Major. 01:52:36.692 --> 01:52:37.652 - [Sergeant Major] Who? 01:52:37.652 --> 01:52:39.283 - [Man] So with that being said, 01:52:39.283 --> 01:52:40.116 I don't have names Sergeant Major. 01:52:40.116 --> 01:52:41.826 - I'm not saying you call and you sit there 01:52:41.826 --> 01:52:43.804 and you condemn their parents on their parenthood and all 01:52:43.804 --> 01:52:48.324 the way I might have done it, but even I'm adaptive. 01:52:48.324 --> 01:52:50.336 I've become very adaptive but I still know how to 01:52:50.336 --> 01:52:53.049 give a royal ass chewing to make you feel really bad 01:52:53.049 --> 01:52:56.120 and I won't be going to go see the IG or the GO. 01:52:56.120 --> 01:52:57.334 - [Man] Yeah they want to kindly gently. 01:52:57.334 --> 01:52:59.505 - [Sergeant Major] Maybe we need to start teaching that, 01:52:59.505 --> 01:53:00.614 how to give the right ass chewing? 01:53:00.614 --> 01:53:02.254 Maybe that should be one of the classes? 01:53:02.254 --> 01:53:05.225 How to connect with an ass chewing on the new model? 01:53:05.225 --> 01:53:06.866 (laughing) 01:53:06.866 --> 01:53:08.130 No I'm serious, I'm not joking. 01:53:08.130 --> 01:53:09.297 What happened? 01:53:10.272 --> 01:53:12.786 I've heard, but Lieutenant Branch 01:53:12.786 --> 01:53:15.228 I've heard that statement too that people are, 01:53:15.228 --> 01:53:18.111 and don't be afraid to say it, 01:53:18.111 --> 01:53:20.310 afraid to give that ass chewing. 01:53:20.310 --> 01:53:23.597 Cause you wanna know the worst ass chewing you could get? 01:53:23.597 --> 01:53:25.006 Is when the leader's looking at you 01:53:25.006 --> 01:53:26.678 and looking to his left and right 01:53:26.678 --> 01:53:28.344 and not looking at the person because 01:53:28.344 --> 01:53:29.330 they're worried about someone else. 01:53:29.330 --> 01:53:31.329 Cause that means they already know that they're gonna do 01:53:31.329 --> 01:53:34.223 something wrong and that's not the type of leader I sent. 01:53:34.223 --> 01:53:35.965 The type of leader I want is a face to face, 01:53:35.965 --> 01:53:38.302 eyeball to eyeball look at me, look at me. 01:53:38.302 --> 01:53:41.063 Look at me there's a guy named Major Doug Zembiec, 01:53:41.063 --> 01:53:42.829 called the Lion of Fallujah. 01:53:42.829 --> 01:53:45.085 Some of you might have read his story, 01:53:45.085 --> 01:53:47.037 got a headcshake back there. 01:53:47.037 --> 01:53:49.297 Used to give the greatest liberty brief, 01:53:49.297 --> 01:53:51.300 this is where to go to mentorship now, 01:53:51.300 --> 01:53:52.736 we're gonna go to adaptive leaders. 01:53:52.736 --> 01:53:55.135 We're gonna use a company commander who used to give 01:53:55.135 --> 01:53:57.824 the greatest liberty brief and I got to watch one 01:53:57.824 --> 01:53:59.627 of these in action and I was in tears 01:53:59.627 --> 01:54:02.643 I also wet my pants but I was in tears. 01:54:02.643 --> 01:54:04.600 He used to sit there in front of his Marines, 01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:07.369 he'd get all his company together. 01:54:07.369 --> 01:54:10.227 And they all talk and these were just death slayers from 25. 01:54:10.227 --> 01:54:13.563 And he's sit there and go look at me, look at me. 01:54:13.563 --> 01:54:15.480 Look at me, look at me, 01:54:17.162 --> 01:54:19.626 look at me and he's command that presence. 01:54:19.626 --> 01:54:20.916 He'd say look to your left and your right, 01:54:20.916 --> 01:54:23.103 now then look at me, look at me. 01:54:23.103 --> 01:54:24.995 Look to your left right, look at me. 01:54:24.995 --> 01:54:28.843 And he'd go to almost this hypnotic trans with his Marines. 01:54:28.843 --> 01:54:31.225 And he's say see that, see that Marine 01:54:31.225 --> 01:54:32.949 on your right and left, see them Monday. 01:54:32.949 --> 01:54:36.898 He was giving ownership but he was owning ownership. 01:54:36.898 --> 01:54:41.527 And they never got into one situation, one problem. 01:54:41.527 --> 01:54:45.603 When they deployed to combat they were unbelievable. 01:54:45.603 --> 01:54:48.469 He would go back to subsequent tours 01:54:48.469 --> 01:54:50.431 and he was killed when he was a Major. 01:54:50.431 --> 01:54:52.511 But the lion of Fallujah we called him. 01:54:52.511 --> 01:54:54.953 And I used to watch that liberty brief, look at me. 01:54:54.953 --> 01:54:58.551 And what he was saying, hey what I like to 01:54:58.551 --> 01:55:00.650 think of the word accountability. 01:55:00.650 --> 01:55:03.035 Now everyone thinks about this word is accountability. 01:55:03.035 --> 01:55:05.328 But no one thinks accountability is we're all here, 01:55:05.328 --> 01:55:07.048 do we have all the rifles, are we up? 01:55:07.048 --> 01:55:08.735 We got all the comm gear, are we up? 01:55:08.735 --> 01:55:10.417 Got the lensatic, oh we don't use 01:55:10.417 --> 01:55:12.463 the lensatics anymore we use GPS okay. 01:55:12.463 --> 01:55:14.479 Used to be we had these things lensatic 01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:16.214 they were also accountable okay? 01:55:16.214 --> 01:55:18.078 Some of you are laughing. 01:55:18.078 --> 01:55:19.254 (laughing) 01:55:19.254 --> 01:55:20.675 Go ahead and lose one, you sucked down didn't you? 01:55:20.675 --> 01:55:22.925 (laughing) 01:55:24.082 --> 01:55:26.111 I don't look at that word as accountability, 01:55:26.111 --> 01:55:28.533 I say can I count on you, can I count on me? 01:55:28.533 --> 01:55:30.600 That's accountability. 01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:33.497 When you get in front of a soldier, a Marine, a Sailor, 01:55:33.497 --> 01:55:37.749 an Airmen, can I count on you, can you count on me. 01:55:37.749 --> 01:55:40.813 Look at me, can I count on you, can you count on me? 01:55:40.813 --> 01:55:42.986 And if you can establish that trust, 01:55:42.986 --> 01:55:45.112 how long does that take folks? 01:55:45.112 --> 01:55:47.147 How long does it take? 01:55:47.147 --> 01:55:49.198 And guess what though, it's not once, 01:55:49.198 --> 01:55:52.031 it's not twice, it's all the time. 01:55:54.622 --> 01:55:57.032 I like to use this little thing, 01:55:57.032 --> 01:55:58.988 Okay now what I'm about to say to you 01:55:58.988 --> 01:56:00.888 you're gonna go oh my God a Marine. 01:56:00.888 --> 01:56:04.805 How do you spell, you ready for this one, love? 01:56:12.109 --> 01:56:14.798 It's not that hard, how do you spell love? 01:56:14.798 --> 01:56:17.031 L, O, V, E, no you're wrong. 01:56:17.031 --> 01:56:17.948 T, I, M, E. 01:56:21.557 --> 01:56:24.922 When you love something what do you do, you give it time. 01:56:24.922 --> 01:56:26.302 Do you love your soldiers? 01:56:26.302 --> 01:56:27.916 I know you do. 01:56:27.916 --> 01:56:29.499 You give them time. 01:56:30.396 --> 01:56:34.196 And you give them time, what do they do back to you? 01:56:34.196 --> 01:56:35.746 They love you. 01:56:35.746 --> 01:56:37.961 I'm not asking them to like you, 01:56:37.961 --> 01:56:41.073 because I didn't like my parents, anyone like their parents? 01:56:41.073 --> 01:56:45.622 I didn't like mine, I loved my parents I didn't like em. 01:56:45.622 --> 01:56:47.657 Shoot there were times I was hoping 01:56:47.657 --> 01:56:49.411 my Mother died on the way home from work okay 01:56:49.411 --> 01:56:50.315 because I knew I did something wrong 01:56:50.315 --> 01:56:52.130 and an ass chewing was coming. 01:56:52.130 --> 01:56:55.150 But I loved her, but I knew that discipline 01:56:55.150 --> 01:56:57.439 was going to be there and I feared it. 01:56:57.439 --> 01:57:00.822 I feared it, I feared when my dad came through. 01:57:00.822 --> 01:57:02.839 What was the worse thing I ever heard? 01:57:02.839 --> 01:57:04.931 Wait til I tell your Father. 01:57:04.931 --> 01:57:09.467 What happened to wait til I tell your Platoon Sergeant? 01:57:09.467 --> 01:57:13.339 Wait til I tell your Platoon Sergeant. 01:57:13.339 --> 01:57:14.449 Not the company commander, 01:57:14.449 --> 01:57:16.206 hell I don't want you all to know. 01:57:16.206 --> 01:57:17.867 I don't want you to know that shit, ever! 01:57:17.867 --> 01:57:20.863 You think they're the best soldier in the world! 01:57:20.863 --> 01:57:22.672 I'm gonna tell your Platoon Sergeant on you. 01:57:22.672 --> 01:57:24.732 (sigh) 01:57:24.732 --> 01:57:25.982 Give them time. 01:57:27.845 --> 01:57:29.870 But this goes back to mentorship 01:57:29.870 --> 01:57:31.682 and are we advocating mentorship? 01:57:31.682 --> 01:57:34.716 Hey I think the soldiers should have 01:57:34.716 --> 01:57:38.639 the ability to say to pick their mentor, no! 01:57:38.639 --> 01:57:40.121 Cause what do they usually do? 01:57:40.121 --> 01:57:41.948 Birds of a feather flock together. 01:57:41.948 --> 01:57:43.398 Who do they pick? 01:57:43.398 --> 01:57:45.777 You know they have that negative Specialist 01:57:45.777 --> 01:57:47.954 walking around he's the cool kid. 01:57:47.954 --> 01:57:49.481 They're trying to find their way, 01:57:49.481 --> 01:57:51.976 who do they gravitate to, the cool kid. 01:57:51.976 --> 01:57:54.344 What I would do is try to convert the cool kid. 01:57:54.344 --> 01:57:56.587 Because I found when you convert the cool kid 01:57:56.587 --> 01:57:58.186 to believe in your values, 01:57:58.186 --> 01:58:00.508 oh they're a force to be reckoned with. 01:58:00.508 --> 01:58:02.661 Because I bet you what Ranger Rick and I 01:58:02.661 --> 01:58:04.346 probably thought we were the cool kids a long time ago, 01:58:04.346 --> 01:58:06.517 til we me a Platoon Sergeant and we 01:58:06.517 --> 01:58:09.400 had our azimuths calibrated again. 01:58:09.400 --> 01:58:11.752 But think about that, I think the 01:58:11.752 --> 01:58:13.947 ownership on mentorship comes from you. 01:58:13.947 --> 01:58:16.499 You know whose best to set that soldier up. 01:58:16.499 --> 01:58:18.276 Sometimes like the defined ones. 01:58:18.276 --> 01:58:20.245 Oh man I'm really dating myself right now. 01:58:20.245 --> 01:58:22.354 Do you remember the movie Defined Ones, 01:58:22.354 --> 01:58:24.394 Tony Curtis, Sidney Poitier? 01:58:24.394 --> 01:58:27.661 No Youtube it's pretty cool or whatever the gizmo, 01:58:27.661 --> 01:58:29.692 Netflix, I don't know what it is. 01:58:29.692 --> 01:58:31.672 It's a movie where two people didn't like it in prison. 01:58:31.672 --> 01:58:33.991 They make a break, they're chained together. 01:58:33.991 --> 01:58:35.674 They hated one another. 01:58:35.674 --> 01:58:37.268 It's a black and white situation. 01:58:37.268 --> 01:58:38.639 It was also a black and white 01:58:38.639 --> 01:58:40.174 movie but black and white situation. 01:58:40.174 --> 01:58:41.381 They hated each other! 01:58:41.381 --> 01:58:44.916 Towards the end of the movie of course they bonded together. 01:58:44.916 --> 01:58:48.557 Do you ever remember doing that I the barracks sometimes 01:58:48.557 --> 01:58:51.600 you had that one Specialist that was a pain in the tushy? 01:58:51.600 --> 01:58:54.409 You put him with the best Specialist 01:58:54.409 --> 01:58:56.298 and one of two things are going to happen, 01:58:56.298 --> 01:58:58.438 either the best Specialists are going to caster him out, 01:58:58.438 --> 01:59:00.533 or they become the good Specialist. 01:59:00.533 --> 01:59:01.515 Did we do that stuff? 01:59:01.515 --> 01:59:02.436 I'm not telling you, I'm not 01:59:02.436 --> 01:59:05.103 bringing tablets right now am I? 01:59:06.195 --> 01:59:07.907 So what happened, did we forget all this stuff? 01:59:07.907 --> 01:59:10.912 It's not in a book, it's not in a manual. 01:59:10.912 --> 01:59:14.671 You can't google it, you can't YouTube it, 01:59:14.671 --> 01:59:17.221 but you know in your hearts what's right. 01:59:17.221 --> 01:59:20.115 And what is this fear we have of doing these things is 01:59:20.115 --> 01:59:22.306 I don't think that's going to get you in trouble sir. 01:59:22.306 --> 01:59:24.166 I can almost guarantee it. 01:59:24.166 --> 01:59:27.079 Pick their mentors because you know 01:59:27.079 --> 01:59:29.159 what best leader to assign them to. 01:59:29.159 --> 01:59:31.197 Cause mentors work is right now I bet you, 01:59:31.197 --> 01:59:33.967 Ranger Rick name your mentor. 01:59:33.967 --> 01:59:37.902 One, shout it, yell, yell me a mentor. 01:59:37.902 --> 01:59:40.538 Boom John, I was gonna do the same one he cheated me. 01:59:40.538 --> 01:59:42.788 Anyone else, give me a mentor. 01:59:42.788 --> 01:59:44.311 Throw me a name, anyone. 01:59:44.311 --> 01:59:46.228 Why do you gotta think? 01:59:47.359 --> 01:59:49.599 Anyone, give me a mentor. 01:59:49.599 --> 01:59:51.826 Rich Clark, give me a mentor. 01:59:51.826 --> 01:59:54.725 Colonel Atkins, got back okay I'll get back to ya. 01:59:54.725 --> 01:59:59.558 Give me a mentor, Commander coming right give me a mentor, 02:00:00.491 --> 02:00:02.158 Shit yeah, hell yes. 02:00:03.509 --> 02:00:07.063 Wow the mentors names are flying. 02:00:07.063 --> 02:00:08.480 Give me a mentor. 02:00:09.635 --> 02:00:11.468 Trey give me a mentor. 02:00:12.440 --> 02:00:15.052 Everyone right now you're not gonna get called on 02:00:15.052 --> 02:00:16.906 don't worry, you can all settle down. 02:00:16.906 --> 02:00:19.139 But you all started pulling mentors up, right? 02:00:19.139 --> 02:00:20.991 Now let me ask you a question. 02:00:20.991 --> 02:00:25.408 Did you gravitate to them, or would they come to you? 02:00:27.420 --> 02:00:30.840 Let me ask you that question again and think about it. 02:00:30.840 --> 02:00:33.661 Did you gravitate to them, now sometimes you can 02:00:33.661 --> 02:00:36.524 psychically you gravitate to that person and you're like 02:00:36.524 --> 02:00:39.034 hey this person has their act together. 02:00:39.034 --> 02:00:42.145 But you kind of how what they came up to you and said 02:00:42.145 --> 02:00:44.492 I'm going to take care of you, 02:00:44.492 --> 02:00:46.792 you can count on me I can count on you now. 02:00:46.792 --> 02:00:49.209 There's mentorship, I'm done. 02:00:51.411 --> 02:00:54.244 But that's mentorship right there. 02:00:55.872 --> 02:00:59.650 Think about these people that you've become enamored with. 02:00:59.650 --> 02:01:02.095 Now it's funny we did a quick survey. 02:01:02.095 --> 02:01:05.063 I was with a bunch of old marines one time, 02:01:05.063 --> 02:01:07.151 a couple of Sergeant Majors. 02:01:07.151 --> 02:01:10.032 And we said hey who was some of our mentors, 02:01:10.032 --> 02:01:13.706 who were people that we just crazy about? 02:01:13.706 --> 02:01:18.298 And this is really weird I thought, but it's not now. 02:01:18.298 --> 02:01:22.597 I think this is a beautiful indictment on our Officer Corp 02:01:22.597 --> 02:01:25.072 because when I went down on my mentors 02:01:25.072 --> 02:01:27.252 I had more Senior Officers in my 02:01:27.252 --> 02:01:30.334 mentor book than I had Senior Enlisted. 02:01:30.334 --> 02:01:34.711 You know why, because in the Marine Corps we have this 02:01:34.711 --> 02:01:37.332 philosophy this general reserves philosophy on leadership. 02:01:37.332 --> 02:01:39.580 It says the relationship now, 02:01:39.580 --> 02:01:43.580 this was written in 1921 so forgive my language. 02:01:46.375 --> 02:01:49.155 The relationship between officer and enlisted should be that 02:01:49.155 --> 02:01:52.086 between student, scholar, Father, Son. 02:01:52.086 --> 02:01:56.512 Period he was done and that was his mandate on leadership. 02:01:56.512 --> 02:01:59.176 The relationship between Officer and Enlisted should be 02:01:59.176 --> 02:02:02.548 that of teacher, scholar , father, son. 02:02:02.548 --> 02:02:04.104 Now we could just change it to now. 02:02:04.104 --> 02:02:06.350 The relationship between officer and elisted 02:02:06.350 --> 02:02:08.314 should be that of teacher, scholar, 02:02:08.314 --> 02:02:12.481 Father, Mother, Son, Daughter add it all in there. 02:02:15.674 --> 02:02:16.957 And I notice the officers I had 02:02:16.957 --> 02:02:19.227 when I was a young Lance Corporal, 02:02:19.227 --> 02:02:21.501 these were Platoon Commanders. 02:02:21.501 --> 02:02:23.918 Second and First Lieutenants. 02:02:25.227 --> 02:02:26.813 A year difference in age and I was already 02:02:26.813 --> 02:02:29.695 looking at them as a Father figure. 02:02:29.695 --> 02:02:31.571 They were there every day. 02:02:31.571 --> 02:02:35.327 We woke up he wasn't bothering the Platoon Sergeant, 02:02:35.327 --> 02:02:37.785 but he was somewhere there. 02:02:37.785 --> 02:02:40.079 And you knew when you had to go see them 02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:42.517 it probably wasn't a good thing but he used to 02:02:42.517 --> 02:02:44.170 find you on the weekend sometimes 02:02:44.170 --> 02:02:45.792 or burst into your room or look at you. 02:02:45.792 --> 02:02:49.495 What are you doing, what's your plans, what's your hobbies, 02:02:49.495 --> 02:02:51.501 what's your dreams, what's your desires? 02:02:51.501 --> 02:02:55.000 What do you want to do in this life? 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:56.192 And as I moved up there was Captains, 02:02:56.192 --> 02:03:00.022 there was Lieutenant Colonels, there was General Officers. 02:03:00.022 --> 02:03:02.559 To this day if they called me right now 02:03:02.559 --> 02:03:03.950 I'd cut both wrists and jump off 02:03:03.950 --> 02:03:05.793 the side of this building for them. 02:03:05.793 --> 02:03:09.441 Because I knew they'd probably be at the bottom to catch me. 02:03:09.441 --> 02:03:13.108 Now I did have senior enlisted leaders like that, 02:03:13.108 --> 02:03:15.094 but I'm trying to say if I had to write the book 02:03:15.094 --> 02:03:17.763 and do my forward and who I'd thank on it, 02:03:17.763 --> 02:03:20.356 there'd be a lot more Officers in that 02:03:20.356 --> 02:03:22.425 then there would be senior enlisted, 02:03:22.425 --> 02:03:23.689 there's an indictment on our officer 02:03:23.689 --> 02:03:26.847 corps there, a good indictment. 02:03:26.847 --> 02:03:27.786 Do you have soldiers now who are 02:03:27.786 --> 02:03:29.748 going to put you in that forward? 02:03:29.748 --> 02:03:32.722 And if you can say that you have soldiers that are gonna 02:03:32.722 --> 02:03:36.555 put you in that forward, you've done your job. 02:03:39.195 --> 02:03:40.448 I don't care if it's a First Lieutenant. 02:03:40.448 --> 02:03:44.211 Because I remember First Lieutenant Jay C Becker boy, 02:03:44.211 --> 02:03:46.514 Texas A&M guy, of course I had to deal with that Aggie stuff 02:03:46.514 --> 02:03:50.979 and coming from New Jersey, that's not too cool. 02:03:50.979 --> 02:03:52.926 But Jay C Becker would show up on the decks boy 02:03:52.926 --> 02:03:56.551 and everyone was just (deep breath) here he comes. 02:03:56.551 --> 02:03:58.943 Then we had JK Baggett though, he would walk in, 02:03:58.943 --> 02:04:00.873 he was the cool Lieutenant everyone kind of 02:04:00.873 --> 02:04:04.066 gravitated over to the cool Lieutenant. 02:04:04.066 --> 02:04:05.852 But we noticed that he would pay respect 02:04:05.852 --> 02:04:08.886 to Jay C Becker and they were First Lieutenants. 02:04:08.886 --> 02:04:10.483 But this was when First Lieutenants 02:04:10.483 --> 02:04:12.983 had like seven years in grade. 02:04:14.164 --> 02:04:16.089 This is when you know it took Second Lieutenant 02:04:16.089 --> 02:04:18.167 they would just wear the gold off and they would 02:04:18.167 --> 02:04:20.213 be too cheap to buy silver bars but they did take 02:04:20.213 --> 02:04:25.046 those old gold bars and they became First Lieutenant bars. 02:04:26.656 --> 02:04:29.073 And I think the really cheap ones just welded 02:04:29.073 --> 02:04:32.835 together the first lieutenant bars for captain. 02:04:32.835 --> 02:04:35.777 Major's when they had to spend some money. 02:04:35.777 --> 02:04:38.168 And so that's my plan to and I wanted to talk to mentorship. 02:04:38.168 --> 02:04:39.860 We heard about technology today, 02:04:39.860 --> 02:04:42.134 heard some great things and I agree with you Sir. 02:04:42.134 --> 02:04:44.551 And I agree with Ranger Rick. 02:04:45.442 --> 02:04:46.723 I'll use the Marine Corps term 02:04:46.723 --> 02:04:49.648 but I'll also use an Army term, I'm adaptive. 02:04:49.648 --> 02:04:53.065 You know what Specialists at ease is now? 02:04:54.256 --> 02:04:56.252 You want to see a Specialist at ease? 02:04:56.252 --> 02:04:58.010 Do you have your phone with you? 02:04:58.010 --> 02:05:00.632 Watch this, alright, so we're in the formation. 02:05:00.632 --> 02:05:02.583 You give an at ease. 02:05:02.583 --> 02:05:05.083 What's specialist at ease now? 02:05:12.032 --> 02:05:13.699 How do we stop that? 02:05:14.725 --> 02:05:17.270 How do we stop Specialist at ease because 02:05:17.270 --> 02:05:19.846 whereas it becomes that human interaction human dynamic. 02:05:19.846 --> 02:05:22.445 Cause when Ranger Rick and I were sitting there 02:05:22.445 --> 02:05:24.858 in those ranks, what are we doing today, 02:05:24.858 --> 02:05:26.740 what are we doing this weekend? 02:05:26.740 --> 02:05:28.298 There was interaction. 02:05:28.298 --> 02:05:29.732 You can stop specialist at ease. 02:05:29.732 --> 02:05:31.899 However, where I do agree. 02:05:33.743 --> 02:05:35.236 How do we leverage that technology 02:05:35.236 --> 02:05:36.831 to do other things we need? 02:05:36.831 --> 02:05:38.428 Cause we can! 02:05:38.428 --> 02:05:40.772 Because I also heard this guy named Ben Jones 02:05:40.772 --> 02:05:42.452 you might have heard of him he used to be 02:05:42.452 --> 02:05:44.393 Pac Seargent Major, pretty cool guy. 02:05:44.393 --> 02:05:46.419 We're together at a symposium in Japan 02:05:46.419 --> 02:05:48.058 and he said how we have to become adaptive for that 02:05:48.058 --> 02:05:50.876 and understand the generational changes. 02:05:50.876 --> 02:05:55.126 And to get out ahead of those generational changes. 02:05:56.959 --> 02:05:59.373 But that Specialist at ease over here, 02:05:59.373 --> 02:06:01.328 where's the word getting past? 02:06:01.328 --> 02:06:03.882 We got a great discussion there. 02:06:03.882 --> 02:06:06.965 Who remembers be at formation at 1630 02:06:09.225 --> 02:06:11.554 and what time were they up for formation? 02:06:11.554 --> 02:06:12.637 - [Man] 1600. 02:06:13.828 --> 02:06:14.828 - 1530, why? 02:06:17.914 --> 02:06:18.920 And when did they shut down work? 02:06:18.920 --> 02:06:21.061 Now this is the days where we thought we're working 02:06:21.061 --> 02:06:23.586 we'd have 120 programs, start cleaning up at 1500. 02:06:23.586 --> 02:06:26.631 Cause you gotta get to formation at 1630 02:06:26.631 --> 02:06:28.705 even though it was a block away. 02:06:28.705 --> 02:06:31.229 And what would you see, right? 02:06:31.229 --> 02:06:33.758 Everyone just milling around doing nothing. 02:06:33.758 --> 02:06:35.454 You'd look like a couple of crazy of us 02:06:35.454 --> 02:06:37.373 because I was the First Sergeant I would sit there 02:06:37.373 --> 02:06:40.554 and scream from the second deck at one down there a 02:06:40.554 --> 02:06:41.894 nd tell the one get out there. 02:06:41.894 --> 02:06:43.885 Now we called liberty call, get out of there. 02:06:43.885 --> 02:06:47.369 And the Platoon Sergeants would be furious with me. 02:06:47.369 --> 02:06:48.762 But they're making them wait. 02:06:48.762 --> 02:06:50.971 Do we know this stuff? 02:06:50.971 --> 02:06:53.829 How do we maximize their time? 02:06:53.829 --> 02:06:55.769 It's fair because we keep saying 02:06:55.769 --> 02:06:57.932 there's no more time left in the day. 02:06:57.932 --> 02:07:01.249 He when there's a formation I told the Platoon Sergeant. 02:07:01.249 --> 02:07:03.281 When there's a formation at 1630 02:07:03.281 --> 02:07:07.848 at 1635 after the words past, they're outta here. 02:07:07.848 --> 02:07:08.968 And if you don't pass that, 02:07:08.968 --> 02:07:11.481 I will take that time away from you. 02:07:11.481 --> 02:07:14.272 Company commanders you can do that. 02:07:14.272 --> 02:07:17.176 Sergeants First class I expect you to do that. 02:07:17.176 --> 02:07:18.175 Sir! 02:07:18.175 --> 02:07:19.967 - [Man] Sergeant Major I got a comment, 02:07:19.967 --> 02:07:21.650 you gonna get me all fired up all the time. 02:07:21.650 --> 02:07:22.697 - [Sergeant Major] Let's go, come on! 02:07:22.697 --> 02:07:24.482 - [Man] Specialist at ease, yeah I will but. 02:07:24.482 --> 02:07:26.093 - Specialist at ease, I'm gonna tell 02:07:26.093 --> 02:07:27.013 my young leaders in here what is the 02:07:27.013 --> 02:07:30.180 regulation on the position of at ease? 02:07:32.096 --> 02:07:33.771 It doesn't involve sitting on the ground. 02:07:33.771 --> 02:07:35.953 Do we see that though, this is my pet peeve 02:07:35.953 --> 02:07:37.781 for you tropic lightning killers in here. 02:07:37.781 --> 02:07:40.583 Okay when you do a division parade or a battalion rehearsal, 02:07:40.583 --> 02:07:44.031 you wolfhounds do not sit on their ass at rest. 02:07:44.031 --> 02:07:44.864 Right? 02:07:47.021 --> 02:07:49.737 What, you can move your, I don't remember 02:07:49.737 --> 02:07:50.936 now but it's one of your feet. 02:07:50.936 --> 02:07:52.538 Don't yell at me Sergeant Major. 02:07:52.538 --> 02:07:53.989 - [Sergeant Major] You can move one leg. 02:07:53.989 --> 02:07:54.822 - [Dan] That's it. 02:07:54.822 --> 02:07:56.518 - [Sergeant Major] One foot is fixed. 02:07:56.518 --> 02:07:58.408 - [Dan] So leaders what the problem is Sergeant Major 02:07:58.408 --> 02:08:00.688 is we don't have leaders enforcing standards. 02:08:00.688 --> 02:08:04.819 Okay what you said is are we failing you, I'm gonna say yes. 02:08:04.819 --> 02:08:07.834 - [Sergeant Major] And I'm failing them though, 02:08:07.834 --> 02:08:10.117 you wanna know why because I'm gonna go way back to 02:08:10.117 --> 02:08:12.292 when I was a young Ranger Private at Fort Lewis. 02:08:12.292 --> 02:08:13.938 And I couldn't go to the gym and lift weights 02:08:13.938 --> 02:08:15.370 as part of my strength and conditioning program 02:08:15.370 --> 02:08:17.402 because some other squad would go down there 02:08:17.402 --> 02:08:19.859 and be lazy and sleep on the machine. 02:08:19.859 --> 02:08:22.669 So some corps commander, three star general made a policy 02:08:22.669 --> 02:08:25.528 that the gym is off limits for physical training. 02:08:25.528 --> 02:08:28.664 Instead of going down there and finding the kid 02:08:28.664 --> 02:08:31.586 sleeping on the machine and going whose your squad leader? 02:08:31.586 --> 02:08:32.824 Whose your Platoon Sergeant? 02:08:32.824 --> 02:08:34.070 Whose your Platoon leader? 02:08:34.070 --> 02:08:36.646 And relieving them and getting somebody 02:08:36.646 --> 02:08:38.667 in there that can follow a standard. 02:08:38.667 --> 02:08:39.500 Right? 02:08:39.500 --> 02:08:41.910 So I'm gonna tell you, don't ever be afraid 02:08:41.910 --> 02:08:43.892 of doing the right thing brother, okay? 02:08:43.892 --> 02:08:47.338 My buddy, hold on Alex I will let you talk this time. 02:08:47.338 --> 02:08:49.700 Colonel Ryan circulates his post every day 02:08:49.700 --> 02:08:52.398 and he makes corrections about 10 times of time 02:08:52.398 --> 02:08:55.475 he does a road march or something like that. 02:08:55.475 --> 02:08:57.800 Don't be afraid to do the right thing brother, 02:08:57.800 --> 02:08:58.837 that's what I'm gonna tell you. 02:08:58.837 --> 02:09:00.764 Nobody's gonna chew your ass for doing the right thing. 02:09:00.764 --> 02:09:02.906 And if they do, they're lesser leader than you are. 02:09:02.906 --> 02:09:03.739 Okay? 02:09:04.748 --> 02:09:06.239 I'm sorry Alex I apologize he had 02:09:06.239 --> 02:09:08.086 a great comment and I blew him off. 02:09:08.086 --> 02:09:10.842 - [Alex] Thank you Mr. Wilson, just so you guys know 02:09:10.842 --> 02:09:13.791 Lieutenant the informer acko XO did the Green Book Program. 02:09:13.791 --> 02:09:16.975 Couple comments cause I gotta leave for a flight, 02:09:16.975 --> 02:09:19.736 but one of the very first things that I wrote down 02:09:19.736 --> 02:09:21.379 when I first got here was the constant battle 02:09:21.379 --> 02:09:23.135 between tradition and progress. 02:09:23.135 --> 02:09:25.606 And I think the past five or six comments by 02:09:25.606 --> 02:09:28.001 senior leaders in here has been the perfect example of that. 02:09:28.001 --> 02:09:31.892 - [Sergeant Major] Give us an explanation sir though. 02:09:31.892 --> 02:09:34.289 Let's be brilliant, go with this. 02:09:34.289 --> 02:09:36.938 - [Man] For example the Slack App. 02:09:36.938 --> 02:09:37.771 - [Sergeant Major] What's that? 02:09:37.771 --> 02:09:38.604 - [Man] The Slack App, the 02:09:38.604 --> 02:09:40.921 information dissemination technology tool. 02:09:40.921 --> 02:09:43.206 - [Sergeant Major] Too many acronyms, 02:09:43.206 --> 02:09:44.573 I don't use acronyms anymore PaCom. 02:09:44.573 --> 02:09:46.922 - [Man] So Slack is an App on our phone 02:09:46.922 --> 02:09:49.985 that's essentially a message board that streamlines 02:09:49.985 --> 02:09:52.702 information dissemination and for Aco 02:09:52.702 --> 02:09:54.750 has helped soldiers with predictability, 02:09:54.750 --> 02:09:57.869 knowledge information and whatnot. 02:09:57.869 --> 02:10:01.770 And then the comment I believe was for me Sergeant Major, 02:10:01.770 --> 02:10:06.137 that that's not necessary or that was the vibe that I got. 02:10:06.137 --> 02:10:09.196 And I think going back to what to me 02:10:09.196 --> 02:10:12.027 this symposium means and the Green Book problem, 02:10:12.027 --> 02:10:14.944 or the Green Book Program itself is 02:10:17.254 --> 02:10:20.499 we're looking for answers to make things better. 02:10:20.499 --> 02:10:23.191 We're not saying that what we have now doesn't work. 02:10:23.191 --> 02:10:25.524 But I think that saying that 02:10:26.764 --> 02:10:29.952 we've always done it this way is dangerous. 02:10:29.952 --> 02:10:31.508 - [Sergeant Major] Exactly. 02:10:31.508 --> 02:10:32.773 It kills people. 02:10:32.773 --> 02:10:33.606 - [Man] It does. 02:10:33.606 --> 02:10:36.867 And I completely lost where I was going with that. 02:10:36.867 --> 02:10:38.272 - [Sergeant Major] No, no, keep going with that 02:10:38.272 --> 02:10:39.628 I love it sir, no that is brilliant. 02:10:39.628 --> 02:10:41.463 Any feedback to that though? 02:10:41.463 --> 02:10:44.032 Any thoughts on, see I'm a big fan 02:10:44.032 --> 02:10:45.520 of project Green Book, okay? 02:10:45.520 --> 02:10:48.827 Not because Trey rolled in and you know Trey right, 02:10:48.827 --> 02:10:51.755 I gotta throw the satellite I love doing this to him. 02:10:51.755 --> 02:10:53.528 Whose seen Karate Kid the first one? 02:10:53.528 --> 02:10:54.361 Not the. 02:10:54.361 --> 02:10:56.650 Sweep the leg, look at him back there. 02:10:56.650 --> 02:11:01.100 He runs the Cobra Kai right there, sweep the leg. 02:11:01.100 --> 02:11:03.384 And it's not because Colonel Wilson 02:11:03.384 --> 02:11:06.000 came and made me drink the Kool-Aid. 02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:08.193 It was like they came in I think within' five minutes 02:11:08.193 --> 02:11:10.063 we never got to the brief we were running with it. 02:11:10.063 --> 02:11:14.745 And I want our command senior enlisted advisor chairman 02:11:14.745 --> 02:11:16.364 to join chiefs command sergeant 02:11:16.364 --> 02:11:18.366 major Terackle's gonna be here 02:11:18.366 --> 02:11:20.139 Tuesday they're gonna be give that to him 02:11:20.139 --> 02:11:21.508 because I say there is merit in this. 02:11:21.508 --> 02:11:23.800 It's how do we leverage this technology to connect 02:11:23.800 --> 02:11:26.570 with soldiers and sailors and marines and airmen now. 02:11:26.570 --> 02:11:29.548 Yes something else you thought about sir? 02:11:29.548 --> 02:11:30.857 - [Man] No just this is good because this stuff 02:11:30.857 --> 02:11:34.450 fires me up because I care about it and. 02:11:34.450 --> 02:11:36.366 - [Sereant Major] Am I firing you up, good! 02:11:36.366 --> 02:11:37.740 - [Man] I'm Respectful of the Green Book Program 02:11:37.740 --> 02:11:39.214 and Colonel Ryan's involvement and support 02:11:39.214 --> 02:11:41.015 from General Brown all the way down. 02:11:41.015 --> 02:11:43.522 But something that I've noticed is there's a discrepancy 02:11:43.522 --> 02:11:46.594 it seems between lower leaders, 02:11:46.594 --> 02:11:49.820 very very upper leaders and then the middle. 02:11:49.820 --> 02:11:52.436 So we're all saying that we don't have enough time, 02:11:52.436 --> 02:11:55.173 then you have the Mattis' of the world 02:11:55.173 --> 02:11:56.894 who are saying we don't have enough time, 02:11:56.894 --> 02:12:00.314 but then it seems to me that and Colonel Dunmire 02:12:00.314 --> 02:12:01.954 would feel the same way, he's like well you have 02:12:01.954 --> 02:12:03.905 plenty of time why aren't you using your time. 02:12:03.905 --> 02:12:05.502 And so I don't know what the answer is 02:12:05.502 --> 02:12:07.168 but there's definitely a discrepancy 02:12:07.168 --> 02:12:09.238 and the overall theme of this was that 02:12:09.238 --> 02:12:11.483 the answers always come from the cutting edge. 02:12:11.483 --> 02:12:13.297 The people at the lowest level. 02:12:13.297 --> 02:12:16.880 So I think putting that aside is dangerous. 02:12:18.886 --> 02:12:21.254 - [Ryan] I think if we added an eight day of the week 02:12:21.254 --> 02:12:23.336 and 25 hours to a day we'd probably 02:12:23.336 --> 02:12:27.170 call that day no rest day, it'd probably be called work day. 02:12:27.170 --> 02:12:30.568 So yeah managing time's always been around on that 02:12:30.568 --> 02:12:34.925 but I would like to address where they said felt 02:12:34.925 --> 02:12:39.925 I was given down on the technology on the Apps and those. 02:12:39.991 --> 02:12:43.597 No, use them I grew up with a virtual one 02:12:43.597 --> 02:12:46.180 that was called a leaders book. 02:12:47.228 --> 02:12:51.456 But you show me the memo what chief of staff in the Army, 02:12:51.456 --> 02:12:53.483 What SMA said don't carry a leader book anymore. 02:12:53.483 --> 02:12:54.928 Show it to me. 02:12:54.928 --> 02:12:58.194 What SMA said we don't to Sergeants time anymore. 02:12:58.194 --> 02:13:01.449 And I even want to call the name of 02:13:01.449 --> 02:13:05.566 Sergeants time different to readiness time. 02:13:05.566 --> 02:13:09.166 On there but with that, that App is a powerful thing to use 02:13:09.166 --> 02:13:13.027 but all I'm saying is it can't be outsourced to just answer 02:13:13.027 --> 02:13:15.817 to the App to having the human domain part of it cause that 02:13:15.817 --> 02:13:18.461 App is only as good as the information you put into it. 02:13:18.461 --> 02:13:20.538 And what you get out of it. 02:13:20.538 --> 02:13:22.702 But still with it there that 02:13:22.702 --> 02:13:25.982 I say we can't have it to replace leadership. 02:13:25.982 --> 02:13:29.315 Use it as a tool, not a crutch on there. 02:13:31.516 --> 02:13:34.016 - [Dan] That's why you're you. 02:13:35.009 --> 02:13:36.644 I gotta wind up here I just wanna 02:13:36.644 --> 02:13:38.537 follow up on something Sergeant Major said, 02:13:38.537 --> 02:13:40.792 I think that's a critical point he made Sergeant Major was, 02:13:40.792 --> 02:13:43.832 we've had a great discussion with cacti on this, 02:13:43.832 --> 02:13:46.524 is that this is not ever gonna replace 02:13:46.524 --> 02:13:50.251 the necessity for NCO's to train their soldiers. 02:13:50.251 --> 02:13:54.070 What we're doing is we're enabling more experential learning 02:13:54.070 --> 02:13:56.372 by getting to fundamentals faster 02:13:56.372 --> 02:13:59.135 and mastery of fundamentals so that now we can get 02:13:59.135 --> 02:14:01.255 the graduate level collective training 02:14:01.255 --> 02:14:03.651 and even better if we use like serigo 02:14:03.651 --> 02:14:05.587 you can actually use the analysis tool 02:14:05.587 --> 02:14:08.276 to see what your individual soldiers are struggling with 02:14:08.276 --> 02:14:10.846 and lets cover that as opposed to trying to cover 02:14:10.846 --> 02:14:13.144 a very broad spectrum of training. 02:14:13.144 --> 02:14:14.813 So I just wanna cover that as 02:14:14.813 --> 02:14:18.093 we believe that technology can enable NCO's 02:14:18.093 --> 02:14:22.593 to do their job better, not ever replace what they do. 02:14:25.955 --> 02:14:27.367 - Sergeant Major what I wanna do 02:14:27.367 --> 02:14:29.541 and I don't think you were here earlier 02:14:29.541 --> 02:14:31.999 cause we've been playing with the whole human dimension 02:14:31.999 --> 02:14:34.278 and one of the pieces we put in there is the belief systems. 02:14:34.278 --> 02:14:35.593 You know we got the physical. 02:14:35.593 --> 02:14:36.700 See a lot of the stuff you're 02:14:36.700 --> 02:14:37.775 talking about is belief systems, 02:14:37.775 --> 02:14:40.028 cause when we get new kids into the service, 02:14:40.028 --> 02:14:43.697 they come from a wide variety of belief systems, okay? 02:14:43.697 --> 02:14:47.399 We in the military have a I'll call it a culture 02:14:47.399 --> 02:14:52.242 but we have a belief system on what our standards are, 02:14:52.242 --> 02:14:53.682 what our pieces are, 02:14:53.682 --> 02:14:57.717 the human piece cause for any of those that have been 02:14:57.717 --> 02:15:00.054 in there, that's an important part of our culture. 02:15:00.054 --> 02:15:02.860 It's not necessarily where other people came from. 02:15:02.860 --> 02:15:05.651 And part of the, we talked about 02:15:05.651 --> 02:15:08.499 needing to baseline the soldier when we, 02:15:08.499 --> 02:15:10.263 we baseline them for all of the physical stuff 02:15:10.263 --> 02:15:11.236 cause we know that stuff. 02:15:11.236 --> 02:15:12.428 Okay we have PT. 02:15:12.428 --> 02:15:13.868 We've talked the cognitive. 02:15:13.868 --> 02:15:15.637 The other piece that we didn't address 02:15:15.637 --> 02:15:17.748 when we were developing the human dimension 02:15:17.748 --> 02:15:19.385 was what I call the belief system 02:15:19.385 --> 02:15:21.835 but it was a social moral ethical and everything else. 02:15:21.835 --> 02:15:24.766 And the Marine Corps and we all have our manuals for ethics, 02:15:24.766 --> 02:15:27.214 morals, professional development, 02:15:27.214 --> 02:15:29.370 the Army profession and everything else. 02:15:29.370 --> 02:15:30.909 But that outlines our belief system. 02:15:30.909 --> 02:15:32.724 And a lot of what you articulated is the 02:15:32.724 --> 02:15:35.372 belief system of what made us what we are, 02:15:35.372 --> 02:15:39.146 and what we know we need in combat and everything else 02:15:39.146 --> 02:15:41.691 because literally it builds the trust drug 02:15:41.691 --> 02:15:43.525 that we need to get generating. 02:15:43.525 --> 02:15:46.367 The key is part of the thing is if we baseline 02:15:46.367 --> 02:15:48.450 understood where these kids came from 02:15:48.450 --> 02:15:51.623 as a leader and understand that not everybody 02:15:51.623 --> 02:15:54.503 is gonna think like we think initially. 02:15:54.503 --> 02:15:57.063 We can wire them and as I told you before 02:15:57.063 --> 02:15:59.719 their frontal lobes aren't developed when you got them. 02:15:59.719 --> 02:16:01.700 I mean they're 18 they ain't developed. 02:16:01.700 --> 02:16:04.022 You Sergeant Major, you shape them. 02:16:04.022 --> 02:16:07.503 And the leaders shape them but what I hate to get 02:16:07.503 --> 02:16:09.586 you know a process cause, 02:16:10.428 --> 02:16:13.402 but everything that you're saying if we put this together 02:16:13.402 --> 02:16:15.624 I baseline them then you as a Sergeant Major 02:16:15.624 --> 02:16:17.946 or really the squad leader level can go look, 02:16:17.946 --> 02:16:21.012 I've got a soldier that just came from upper Tennessee, 02:16:21.012 --> 02:16:25.799 okay, they're gonna think this way, George is another way. 02:16:25.799 --> 02:16:27.471 And of course California and then 02:16:27.471 --> 02:16:29.524 Hawaii will be in Hawaiian shirts. 02:16:29.524 --> 02:16:31.325 But the point is they're all gonna be different 02:16:31.325 --> 02:16:33.011 but we gotta make them into 02:16:33.011 --> 02:16:35.245 what we know is necessary for our profession. 02:16:35.245 --> 02:16:37.133 But we gotta give you the tools to measure it 02:16:37.133 --> 02:16:40.768 you know I throw the PMCS if that works I don't know 02:16:40.768 --> 02:16:42.745 if it will that's the attempt, 02:16:42.745 --> 02:16:44.781 but I need to measure em' every day because 02:16:44.781 --> 02:16:47.605 it takes 45 days to build a new neural network okay? 02:16:47.605 --> 02:16:51.032 So every day they need to reforce why you need 02:16:51.032 --> 02:16:53.690 to stand it at ease and it isn't this. 02:16:53.690 --> 02:16:55.425 And it's every day that's why 02:16:55.425 --> 02:16:57.329 you say reforcing standards everything else. 02:16:57.329 --> 02:16:59.592 We're building the neural network so they will transition 02:16:59.592 --> 02:17:01.773 to the military culture because 02:17:01.773 --> 02:17:03.912 we know the military culture needs to, 02:17:03.912 --> 02:17:06.829 it's what we need to do to survive. 02:17:09.205 --> 02:17:11.472 - I mean there's a thing we need to put in consideration. 02:17:11.472 --> 02:17:14.855 Especially older people in the room, and the younger ones. 02:17:14.855 --> 02:17:16.564 General you hit it perfect, 02:17:16.564 --> 02:17:18.165 it's the culturalization process. 02:17:18.165 --> 02:17:20.079 Now I'm gonna indict my own Marine corps. 02:17:20.079 --> 02:17:21.804 Because before it just took us 12 weeks. 02:17:21.804 --> 02:17:23.696 12 weeks you had a Marine. 02:17:23.696 --> 02:17:27.043 Now it's taking 2 years til they even 02:17:27.043 --> 02:17:29.455 start thinking they can call themselves Marine. 02:17:29.455 --> 02:17:31.667 What's the challenge for the Army right now? 02:17:31.667 --> 02:17:34.387 The Air Force, the Navy, look what's going on. 02:17:34.387 --> 02:17:36.308 And I'll come back to one thing 02:17:36.308 --> 02:17:38.180 and Trey's heard me talk about this a lot. 02:17:38.180 --> 02:17:39.745 It's called the warrior ethos. 02:17:39.745 --> 02:17:41.943 Now I'd like to steal something 02:17:41.943 --> 02:17:43.816 that my friends in New Zealand do. 02:17:43.816 --> 02:17:46.082 New Zealand I think have the market, 02:17:46.082 --> 02:17:47.974 and right now when you look at 02:17:47.974 --> 02:17:50.728 New Zealand's military resiliency on any scale, 02:17:50.728 --> 02:17:53.480 based off of statistical variance. 02:17:53.480 --> 02:17:56.618 Just pure numbers if you want to match it up. 02:17:56.618 --> 02:17:58.534 They have less problems, why? 02:17:58.534 --> 02:18:02.154 Day one when they come into their military service 02:18:02.154 --> 02:18:04.687 they're greeted by a hawka. 02:18:04.687 --> 02:18:07.928 All the old veterans are sitting there at the 02:18:07.928 --> 02:18:11.298 recruit training lined up and they get a hawka. 02:18:11.298 --> 02:18:14.683 And they're welcomed into the tribe. 02:18:14.683 --> 02:18:18.456 And it's reinforced during their eight weeks of training. 02:18:18.456 --> 02:18:21.300 The last thing they do when they graduate 02:18:21.300 --> 02:18:24.217 is they do a hawka to the veterans. 02:18:27.203 --> 02:18:30.210 They are becoming part of a tribal, are we in a tribe? 02:18:30.210 --> 02:18:31.768 You're damn right we are. 02:18:31.768 --> 02:18:33.935 This is a tribe we are in. 02:18:34.955 --> 02:18:37.638 This is a warrior tribe. 02:18:37.638 --> 02:18:40.198 And you sat there and you swore that oath 02:18:40.198 --> 02:18:42.815 it says I'm about to become a warrior. 02:18:42.815 --> 02:18:45.356 Do we reinforce that, and that's what 02:18:45.356 --> 02:18:48.719 I think General we need to start doing early only on. 02:18:48.719 --> 02:18:51.285 You're a warrior, you're a war fighter. 02:18:51.285 --> 02:18:53.468 I will shut a soldier, sailor airmen marine down 02:18:53.468 --> 02:18:55.889 when they jump and say I'm a human resource specialist, 02:18:55.889 --> 02:18:57.679 I'm logistics I go sit down. 02:18:57.679 --> 02:19:01.909 They better say they're a soldier sailer airmen marine. 02:19:01.909 --> 02:19:04.939 Then I usually get after I yell at him I say warrior. 02:19:04.939 --> 02:19:06.991 Cause you're war fighters. 02:19:06.991 --> 02:19:09.050 Well let's look at the war fighters of today 02:19:09.050 --> 02:19:10.924 and this is why I have confidence. 02:19:10.924 --> 02:19:14.531 So before everything's doom and gloom, 02:19:14.531 --> 02:19:16.954 I like this guy named Jim Mattis okay I don't know why. 02:19:16.954 --> 02:19:18.918 Maybe it's because he's my boss. 02:19:18.918 --> 02:19:21.042 This guy refused my fitness report too I just submitted 02:19:21.042 --> 02:19:23.051 so I'm just kind of sweating it right now. 02:19:23.051 --> 02:19:25.649 But you wanna know something about General Mattis? 02:19:25.649 --> 02:19:29.206 You know General Mattis has never killed anybody? 02:19:29.206 --> 02:19:32.878 You know General Mattis has never shot anybody. 02:19:32.878 --> 02:19:35.471 Never stabbed anyone, but if you look at Marine Corps lore 02:19:35.471 --> 02:19:38.319 right now, oh he's an ultimate warrior, isn't he. 02:19:38.319 --> 02:19:41.426 And in the Marine Corps he is like legend, he's next, 02:19:41.426 --> 02:19:44.561 if they had to go between him and Chesty Puller right now, 02:19:44.561 --> 02:19:48.311 I think old Chesty's gonna take second place. 02:19:49.145 --> 02:19:54.145 First time he deployed to combat he was a brigadier general. 02:19:56.187 --> 02:19:57.950 Was he successful? 02:19:57.950 --> 02:19:59.391 You're damn right he was. 02:19:59.391 --> 02:20:01.463 Why, he was prepared. 02:20:01.463 --> 02:20:03.460 He prepared his whole life. 02:20:03.460 --> 02:20:06.232 He became the warrior monk. 02:20:06.232 --> 02:20:08.697 And regardless of all the processes the officers 02:20:08.697 --> 02:20:12.998 have to go to get to that, cause we know it's a lot. 02:20:12.998 --> 02:20:15.898 Warrior monk was ready when his time was called. 02:20:15.898 --> 02:20:19.550 There's this other guy I like General Dunford. 02:20:19.550 --> 02:20:22.174 Have you heard of him Chairmen Joint chiefs of staff? 02:20:22.174 --> 02:20:24.940 First time he deployed to combat he was Colonel. 02:20:24.940 --> 02:20:26.590 A Colonel! 02:20:26.590 --> 02:20:28.287 Was he successful with fifth Marines? 02:20:28.287 --> 02:20:30.139 You're damn right on the hook. 02:20:30.139 --> 02:20:32.962 And all those other battalion commanders 02:20:32.962 --> 02:20:35.968 and regimental commanders when we deployed in the early day, 02:20:35.968 --> 02:20:39.768 for the most part they weren't Desert Storm Veterans, 02:20:39.768 --> 02:20:41.799 that was only 100 hours anyway. 02:20:41.799 --> 02:20:43.258 They were what? 02:20:43.258 --> 02:20:44.091 Prepared. 02:20:45.418 --> 02:20:49.538 Folks we have now a whole generation of Platoon Commanders 02:20:49.538 --> 02:20:52.311 and Company commanders if we go into this next fight, 02:20:52.311 --> 02:20:54.195 it will be their first fight. 02:20:54.195 --> 02:20:56.073 Are you prepared? 02:20:56.073 --> 02:20:58.323 Are your warriors prepared? 02:20:59.535 --> 02:21:02.750 Cause a lot of the people that have time in fight right now 02:21:02.750 --> 02:21:05.541 after 16 years of combat, they've gotten out! 02:21:05.541 --> 02:21:09.015 Or they're going to be in big leadership positions now. 02:21:09.015 --> 02:21:11.378 They're not gonna be the ones doing the leading 02:21:11.378 --> 02:21:13.400 the fighting on the ground. 02:21:13.400 --> 02:21:15.420 It's gonna be on the backs of Platoon Commanders 02:21:15.420 --> 02:21:17.540 and Company commanders and Battalion Commanders 02:21:17.540 --> 02:21:19.884 who have never deployed before. 02:21:19.884 --> 02:21:22.116 Are we gonna lose, no! 02:21:22.116 --> 02:21:23.322 We don't lose. 02:21:23.322 --> 02:21:25.890 But it's gonna be a pure adversary. 02:21:25.890 --> 02:21:27.332 General Dunford always talks about this 02:21:27.332 --> 02:21:28.794 and I'll leave you this. 02:21:28.794 --> 02:21:30.392 No more task force Smiths, 02:21:30.392 --> 02:21:32.426 Ranger Rick you've heard me talk about this before. 02:21:32.426 --> 02:21:34.597 Task force Smith was initiated in 1951 first groups 02:21:34.597 --> 02:21:36.342 were sent into Korea and got what? 02:21:36.342 --> 02:21:37.747 Their butts kicked. 02:21:37.747 --> 02:21:40.446 They were coming off the languished years after WWII 02:21:40.446 --> 02:21:42.391 where they were mentally, morally, 02:21:42.391 --> 02:21:45.449 physically prepared as warriors. 02:21:45.449 --> 02:21:46.774 Nah they wouldn't think it was gonna be a big joke. 02:21:46.774 --> 02:21:48.857 And what happened? 02:21:48.857 --> 02:21:51.017 How do we avoid no more task force smith's 02:21:51.017 --> 02:21:53.369 assuming we do a real bad of fighting the last war? 02:21:53.369 --> 02:21:55.984 This next fight is going to probably 02:21:55.984 --> 02:21:58.698 be against a peer to peer adversary. 02:21:58.698 --> 02:22:03.365 In a very rough, mountainous, degraded comm environment. 02:22:06.943 --> 02:22:08.933 Mission command is going to be essential, 02:22:08.933 --> 02:22:10.754 are we teaching that right now? 02:22:10.754 --> 02:22:13.648 SO out of the whole 120 things you gotta worry about, 02:22:13.648 --> 02:22:16.252 throw out 119 and just worry about mission command 02:22:16.252 --> 02:22:17.451 could you do me that favor? 02:22:17.451 --> 02:22:20.823 With this, hey company commanders, I can tell you this. 02:22:20.823 --> 02:22:23.406 No one's grading your homework. 02:22:24.546 --> 02:22:26.918 If you think you have to get all A's 02:22:26.918 --> 02:22:28.956 in everything that you do, 02:22:28.956 --> 02:22:31.617 I'll tell you right now you're cheating something. 02:22:31.617 --> 02:22:34.690 But if you're just getting an A in this area 02:22:34.690 --> 02:22:37.052 and all these other programs you're getting an A, 02:22:37.052 --> 02:22:39.369 eh you'll probably get in trouble too. 02:22:39.369 --> 02:22:40.282 I want a B student. 02:22:40.282 --> 02:22:44.699 I want B students, someone that's good at everything. 02:22:47.321 --> 02:22:52.321 Not the A's, not the E's, I don't want your GPA's to be 2.3, 02:22:52.776 --> 02:22:57.526 2.5 or 4.0, I want a 3.0 GPA from you in all that you do. 02:22:58.554 --> 02:23:02.016 Copy commanders out there, platoon commander sergeants 02:23:02.016 --> 02:23:04.456 first classes figure it out. 02:23:04.456 --> 02:23:06.271 If you can't figure it out then 02:23:06.271 --> 02:23:07.907 I don't know what we're gonna do. 02:23:07.907 --> 02:23:10.740 I'm at a loss, but we can do this. 02:23:12.195 --> 02:23:15.220 But remember folks, they're warriors. 02:23:15.220 --> 02:23:17.841 Green Book, hey I love the name for it 02:23:17.841 --> 02:23:19.773 cause who carried a green book, did you have one? 02:23:19.773 --> 02:23:22.145 This be free, is this a free program because 02:23:22.145 --> 02:23:24.339 I used to steal these things from supply, okay? 02:23:24.339 --> 02:23:26.124 Cause I had these things called blue books they were in the 02:23:26.124 --> 02:23:29.020 back of that forum and I'm gonna go by and steal a bunch. 02:23:29.020 --> 02:23:31.598 But I mean we had every little form. 02:23:31.598 --> 02:23:33.430 You had the little page turner like this. 02:23:33.430 --> 02:23:36.254 You had a bigger green book when 02:23:36.254 --> 02:23:38.525 you can get some more money. 02:23:38.525 --> 02:23:40.249 And now we're just gonna do it by this means. 02:23:40.249 --> 02:23:42.536 You know it used to be the old Platoon Commanders 02:23:42.536 --> 02:23:44.949 notebook card, you guys remember that? 02:23:44.949 --> 02:23:46.532 You knew their shoe sizes, their anniversary dates, 02:23:46.532 --> 02:23:48.851 their book size, gas mask size, rifle serial number. 02:23:48.851 --> 02:23:52.357 You had some touch point when you had to go talk 02:23:52.357 --> 02:23:55.128 to that soldier who knew something about everything 02:23:55.128 --> 02:23:55.961 that's project Green Book 02:23:55.961 --> 02:23:57.398 right there just in electronic means. 02:23:57.398 --> 02:23:59.757 The way to convey that information, 02:23:59.757 --> 02:24:03.956 share that information, you guys will work out the wickets. 02:24:03.956 --> 02:24:05.899 But how do we sit there and 02:24:05.899 --> 02:24:07.534 just keep them more rapidly informed, 02:24:07.534 --> 02:24:09.087 gaining to belief systems for, 02:24:09.087 --> 02:24:13.278 adapting the technology but to understanding the soldier. 02:24:13.278 --> 02:24:15.756 Any other questions, cause I'm getting a hook. 02:24:15.756 --> 02:24:19.423 I could keep going you got me fired up, man! 02:24:22.224 --> 02:24:24.728 - I'm not gonna let you, I'll take the risk. 02:24:24.728 --> 02:24:26.491 And we could as I said before, 02:24:26.491 --> 02:24:28.793 we could talk about this for six more hours. 02:24:28.793 --> 02:24:30.683 And that's, we should want to 02:24:30.683 --> 02:24:32.014 talk about it for six more hours. 02:24:32.014 --> 02:24:33.891 But we do have to move on Sergeant Major. 02:24:33.891 --> 02:24:36.341 But he gets me fired up every time that we talk. 02:24:36.341 --> 02:24:38.822 (clapping) 02:24:38.822 --> 02:24:40.739 Yeah thank you so much. 02:24:43.739 --> 02:24:46.501 Okay so the next question we're not taking a break, 02:24:46.501 --> 02:24:47.888 we're gonna keep on. 02:24:47.888 --> 02:24:49.952 I got two more important thought provokers I want to talk 02:24:49.952 --> 02:24:51.876 to you guys real quick so we're gonna just keep driving on. 02:24:51.876 --> 02:24:54.926 The last, the third question we're gonna ask you is 02:24:54.926 --> 02:24:58.426 if you're familiar with Ooda loop it's a whole process of 02:24:58.426 --> 02:25:02.179 seeing something, observing it, collecting the data, 02:25:02.179 --> 02:25:04.220 orienting yourself in time and space 02:25:04.220 --> 02:25:06.195 and making the right decision to take action. 02:25:06.195 --> 02:25:09.152 Why are guys like me fairly good at that? 02:25:09.152 --> 02:25:11.661 Because I have the experience to recognize 02:25:11.661 --> 02:25:13.601 patterns emerging out of the darkness. 02:25:13.601 --> 02:25:16.047 Now how are your Second Lieutenants? 02:25:16.047 --> 02:25:18.877 How are your E5's as Sergeant Major Spadora just said? 02:25:18.877 --> 02:25:21.505 We have a new generation of soldiers, marines, sailors and 02:25:21.505 --> 02:25:23.806 airmen who haven't deployed yet, haven't been to combat. 02:25:23.806 --> 02:25:26.270 So how are they making those decisions 02:25:26.270 --> 02:25:28.014 as fast as they need to? 02:25:28.014 --> 02:25:30.286 Sergeant Major Spadaro says something in his office 02:25:30.286 --> 02:25:32.372 the other day that I will keep with me. 02:25:32.372 --> 02:25:33.957 We're expecting to make good 02:25:33.957 --> 02:25:35.521 strategic decisions in nanoseconds. 02:25:35.521 --> 02:25:36.760 How do we do that? 02:25:36.760 --> 02:25:38.542 So we're playing with different programs 02:25:38.542 --> 02:25:42.519 to give more experience under the belt of young soldiers 02:25:42.519 --> 02:25:44.462 and leaders or warriors and leaders 02:25:44.462 --> 02:25:46.498 so that they can make good 02:25:46.498 --> 02:25:48.711 strategic decisions in nanoseconds. 02:25:48.711 --> 02:25:50.353 We're doing ethical challenge as part 02:25:50.353 --> 02:25:52.510 of live fires with Alpha Company 235. 02:25:52.510 --> 02:25:55.319 We've developed with the army research institute 02:25:55.319 --> 02:25:57.406 some flash cards that basically have 02:25:57.406 --> 02:26:00.518 critical thinking scenarios that allow NCO's 02:26:00.518 --> 02:26:02.498 to execute critical thinking, 02:26:02.498 --> 02:26:06.621 muscle memory exercises in 15 to 20 minutes after PT. 02:26:06.621 --> 02:26:10.484 Hey let's play with this problem and lets think in time. 02:26:10.484 --> 02:26:12.450 Let's frame the problem correctly. 02:26:12.450 --> 02:26:14.028 Let's ask the right questions. 02:26:14.028 --> 02:26:17.129 And hopefully over time our soldiers are now starting 02:26:17.129 --> 02:26:19.508 to do that for everything that they 02:26:19.508 --> 02:26:21.572 do no matter what the situation is. 02:26:21.572 --> 02:26:23.264 So this is something simple to develop, 02:26:23.264 --> 02:26:27.836 we've already done it the cacki have good feeback on it. 02:26:27.836 --> 02:26:29.272 But that's what we're doing. 02:26:29.272 --> 02:26:30.801 Now I want to introduce another thought provoker here. 02:26:30.801 --> 02:26:33.062 Another one of, I think there's two things that have come 02:26:33.062 --> 02:26:35.159 out of the Green Book that are really ready to go 02:26:35.159 --> 02:26:37.767 to the Army and change the way the Army does business, 02:26:37.767 --> 02:26:39.908 One of those is the serigo platform, 02:26:39.908 --> 02:26:41.508 I think that has a lot of potential 02:26:41.508 --> 02:26:42.867 to change the way we learn. 02:26:42.867 --> 02:26:45.668 The other idea is to, if you know yourself 02:26:45.668 --> 02:26:47.703 and understand your teammates, 02:26:47.703 --> 02:26:50.129 you can thrive in ambiguity and chaos 02:26:50.129 --> 02:26:52.022 because you are able to team and reteam. 02:26:52.022 --> 02:26:54.556 You're able to understand what's coming at you better. 02:26:54.556 --> 02:26:58.044 So I'd like to just introduce Janet Naoni. 02:26:58.044 --> 02:27:00.659 We had to go to New Zealand to find 02:27:00.659 --> 02:27:02.745 somebody who could put up with me. 02:27:02.745 --> 02:27:06.979 But she is, really her specialty is organizational 02:27:06.979 --> 02:27:09.803 industrial psychology, she has a masters degree in it. 02:27:09.803 --> 02:27:12.208 She's worked for several years with non-governmental 02:27:12.208 --> 02:27:16.851 organizations all over the indo-Asia Pacific region. 02:27:16.851 --> 02:27:19.788 She now is living here in Hawaii 02:27:19.788 --> 02:27:22.490 and we're lucky enough to have her with us 02:27:22.490 --> 02:27:25.097 to do our behavioral skills and motivating forces 02:27:25.097 --> 02:27:27.344 and these things that have meant so much to us. 02:27:27.344 --> 02:27:30.117 And I know we got an advocate in the audience 02:27:30.117 --> 02:27:32.950 so Janet I'll turn it over to you. 02:27:34.820 --> 02:27:39.783 - Thank you, yes I am a KOA, I will not be doing a Hawka. 02:27:39.783 --> 02:27:43.119 I do encourage you all to get onto social media though 02:27:43.119 --> 02:27:45.282 and get onto Youtube to find one, 02:27:45.282 --> 02:27:48.022 because it's going to boil your blood. 02:27:48.022 --> 02:27:49.035 (laughs) 02:27:49.035 --> 02:27:52.264 I've been privileged to work with the Green Book 02:27:52.264 --> 02:27:54.847 and this aspect, with the tools 02:27:56.886 --> 02:27:59.493 I'm just going to give you a very very high level viewpoint, 02:27:59.493 --> 02:28:03.369 top of the waves look at the tool and 02:28:03.369 --> 02:28:06.786 how it can help you to build great teams. 02:28:08.270 --> 02:28:11.491 The tools that we had been using allow us a deep dive 02:28:11.491 --> 02:28:14.991 into the what, why and how of individuals. 02:28:16.846 --> 02:28:20.344 Each of us if we have a look at this first slide here, 02:28:20.344 --> 02:28:23.330 each of us in this room has one of these four stars 02:28:23.330 --> 02:28:26.603 as your core or preferred way of behaving. 02:28:26.603 --> 02:28:28.853 It's either the D, I, S, C. 02:28:30.220 --> 02:28:34.741 Stands for dominance, influence, studiness and compliance. 02:28:34.741 --> 02:28:38.410 And it's how you respond to these things. 02:28:38.410 --> 02:28:40.950 With dominance I'll just give you a quick overview. 02:28:40.950 --> 02:28:43.161 It's how you respond to challenges and problems. 02:28:43.161 --> 02:28:47.282 Influence is how you influence others to your point of view. 02:28:47.282 --> 02:28:51.096 Studiness is how you respond to the pace of your environment 02:28:51.096 --> 02:28:53.846 and Compliance is how you respond 02:28:55.003 --> 02:28:58.152 to rules and regulations set by others. 02:28:58.152 --> 02:29:00.454 For example, someone who might be very high in compliance 02:29:00.454 --> 02:29:02.588 it's by the book you do it this way, 02:29:02.588 --> 02:29:04.014 it's my way or the highway. 02:29:04.014 --> 02:29:05.946 Somebody whose low on compliance might look 02:29:05.946 --> 02:29:09.613 at a speed sign and think just a suggestion. 02:29:11.455 --> 02:29:13.602 Even though you have one core behavior, 02:29:13.602 --> 02:29:18.602 we are actually a combination of all of these factors. 02:29:18.891 --> 02:29:21.212 Cause people are complex. 02:29:21.212 --> 02:29:25.787 These tools at a base level give people self awareness 02:29:25.787 --> 02:29:28.992 of how they behave, communicate and why they do what they do 02:29:28.992 --> 02:29:32.478 as well as many other things we cannot 02:29:32.478 --> 02:29:35.861 touch on today because we simply don't have the time. 02:29:35.861 --> 02:29:39.751 This awareness or insight allows them 02:29:39.751 --> 02:29:42.719 to now self moderate or to adept. 02:29:42.719 --> 02:29:46.109 And awareness, self awareness is a key attribute 02:29:46.109 --> 02:29:50.260 in anybody but particularly in leadership. 02:29:50.260 --> 02:29:54.507 It grows your self leadership and one of the hardest people 02:29:54.507 --> 02:29:56.511 you're ever going to lead is going to be yourself. 02:29:56.511 --> 02:29:58.810 Cause you're gonna come up with a million alibi's as to 02:29:58.810 --> 02:30:01.434 why you might not need to do this right now. 02:30:01.434 --> 02:30:04.552 Is embedded into daily life, if I could 02:30:04.552 --> 02:30:07.247 have the next slide up please. 02:30:07.247 --> 02:30:10.952 Into daily life, people are able to understand 02:30:10.952 --> 02:30:15.152 that others do not work the way that they do. 02:30:15.152 --> 02:30:17.884 And they will adapt to attain the outcomes 02:30:17.884 --> 02:30:20.967 necessary to achieve mission success. 02:30:22.042 --> 02:30:24.839 Self awareness also raises your 02:30:24.839 --> 02:30:28.267 level of leadership and influence. 02:30:28.267 --> 02:30:30.572 Just gonna talk to this slide for a moment. 02:30:30.572 --> 02:30:33.436 While this is embedded into daily life, 02:30:33.436 --> 02:30:37.788 you can somebody who is aware of themselves 02:30:37.788 --> 02:30:42.361 and aware that other people do not behave the way they do, 02:30:42.361 --> 02:30:45.201 do not receive communication the way they do, 02:30:45.201 --> 02:30:48.840 do not give communication they way that they do, 02:30:48.840 --> 02:30:53.840 they are easily able to start to see some cues and to work 02:30:53.895 --> 02:30:57.279 together to get communication flowing really freely. 02:30:57.279 --> 02:31:00.050 Have a look at this person who is high on dominance. 02:31:00.050 --> 02:31:01.936 The characteristics of this person, 02:31:01.936 --> 02:31:05.666 they are active they are forceful they are direct. 02:31:05.666 --> 02:31:08.705 They value challenge and achievement. 02:31:08.705 --> 02:31:11.406 They dislike wasting time or indecision. 02:31:11.406 --> 02:31:13.944 They will avoid being taken advantage of 02:31:13.944 --> 02:31:16.537 in fact they'll see it coming a mile away. 02:31:16.537 --> 02:31:20.277 Under stress they may appear impatient even argumentative. 02:31:20.277 --> 02:31:23.933 Their decisions are made on quick results. 02:31:23.933 --> 02:31:26.684 Somebody coming to somebody like this and noticing 02:31:26.684 --> 02:31:29.209 some of these key attributes they will know that they 02:31:29.209 --> 02:31:31.654 need to take time to be efficient. 02:31:31.654 --> 02:31:34.453 They need to give them options and probability of success. 02:31:34.453 --> 02:31:37.878 One of the measure of somebody of a high D 02:31:37.878 --> 02:31:41.869 or high dominance is the primary behavioral star 02:31:41.869 --> 02:31:45.514 will be brief, be prepared, be right and be gone. 02:31:45.514 --> 02:31:47.613 Anybody here recognize that in either 02:31:47.613 --> 02:31:51.126 themselves or somebody that they work with? 02:31:51.126 --> 02:31:54.236 So we've seen in the project Green Book 02:31:54.236 --> 02:31:56.504 is we've gone through this that we've seen 02:31:56.504 --> 02:32:00.558 deeper levels of communication both verbal and written. 02:32:00.558 --> 02:32:02.208 When people understand I need to 02:32:02.208 --> 02:32:05.109 approach this person in a certain way. 02:32:05.109 --> 02:32:07.845 When team members are all self aware, 02:32:07.845 --> 02:32:11.518 they have the potential now to build an agile culture 02:32:11.518 --> 02:32:15.552 of high performance even in chaotic environments 02:32:15.552 --> 02:32:17.219 with dynamic change. 02:32:18.263 --> 02:32:21.647 These tools also reveal some of the more 02:32:21.647 --> 02:32:24.097 invisible aspects of human behavior. 02:32:24.097 --> 02:32:25.347 That's the why. 02:32:26.512 --> 02:32:29.547 And if anybody has ever had privilege to see Simon Sennicks 02:32:29.547 --> 02:32:33.415 TedTalk on find your why, you'll find on this next slide 02:32:33.415 --> 02:32:36.832 that these will actually reveal your why. 02:32:40.463 --> 02:32:41.661 We've all heard of motivators, 02:32:41.661 --> 02:32:43.606 probably right from college days 02:32:43.606 --> 02:32:45.712 we've heard that there's certain things that motivate 02:32:45.712 --> 02:32:47.853 some people and demotivate others. 02:32:47.853 --> 02:32:50.123 But what we have no discovered and are beginning to 02:32:50.123 --> 02:32:52.490 acknowledge is that these actually are 02:32:52.490 --> 02:32:54.931 valued differently by different people. 02:32:54.931 --> 02:32:57.508 I want you to think for just one moment that one person 02:32:57.508 --> 02:33:00.506 that you've met or maybe you're even working with for now 02:33:00.506 --> 02:33:04.175 that for some reason they just get your goat. 02:33:04.175 --> 02:33:05.962 You talk to them you feel challenged, 02:33:05.962 --> 02:33:08.100 you feel that maybe they've got another agenda. 02:33:08.100 --> 02:33:10.604 You just do not click with them. 02:33:10.604 --> 02:33:12.413 I'm sure you can all think of one. 02:33:12.413 --> 02:33:14.967 More than likely you've actually 02:33:14.967 --> 02:33:18.305 come against an opposing driving force. 02:33:18.305 --> 02:33:22.823 A driving force which is completely opposite to your force. 02:33:22.823 --> 02:33:24.382 You're not gonna be able to see it, 02:33:24.382 --> 02:33:26.549 but you sure will feel it. 02:33:27.825 --> 02:33:30.062 Have a look at the yellow one there the motivator 02:33:30.062 --> 02:33:35.062 is utility at one end it is valued, the value is selfless. 02:33:35.298 --> 02:33:37.620 And the other end is resourceful. 02:33:37.620 --> 02:33:41.197 You can take any one of these and do the same thing. 02:33:41.197 --> 02:33:44.043 Somebody that is highly selfless is gonna 02:33:44.043 --> 02:33:46.868 work their tail off 24/7, they get a lot of energy 02:33:46.868 --> 02:33:50.828 just from actually getting something done. 02:33:50.828 --> 02:33:53.240 They don't need any personal reward for it, 02:33:53.240 --> 02:33:55.351 just getting it done is the thing. 02:33:55.351 --> 02:33:57.813 Somebody who is highly resourceful on the other hand, 02:33:57.813 --> 02:34:00.977 they want a really quick return on their time, 02:34:00.977 --> 02:34:03.119 their talent and the resources that 02:34:03.119 --> 02:34:05.569 they're pouring or they're gonna stick back. 02:34:05.569 --> 02:34:08.575 When you've got two people like this working together, 02:34:08.575 --> 02:34:12.031 you can generate team reports not only can you see 02:34:12.031 --> 02:34:14.621 that they're at opposite ends of the scale, 02:34:14.621 --> 02:34:17.481 but you can see where conflict possibly lies. 02:34:17.481 --> 02:34:20.177 You can prevent interpersonal conflict 02:34:20.177 --> 02:34:23.776 just by knowing whose in your team. 02:34:23.776 --> 02:34:26.412 The use of these tools able to quickly 02:34:26.412 --> 02:34:29.323 reveal behaviors you can expect to see from your people. 02:34:29.323 --> 02:34:32.281 Best ways to communicate with that person, 02:34:32.281 --> 02:34:34.639 what motivates that person and 02:34:34.639 --> 02:34:37.389 where potential conflict sits. 02:34:37.389 --> 02:34:39.996 On the next slide you can also 02:34:39.996 --> 02:34:42.805 have a quick look at your teams composition. 02:34:42.805 --> 02:34:47.648 On this little graph here you can see that each one of those 02:34:47.648 --> 02:34:52.148 dots represents one of those high preferred behaviors. 02:34:53.692 --> 02:34:57.665 And they're all sitting reasonably well distributed around 02:34:57.665 --> 02:35:00.885 this wheel and they're also sitting in great places. 02:35:00.885 --> 02:35:04.229 You can see that the person that is really high 02:35:04.229 --> 02:35:06.279 in Compliance and detail orientated, 02:35:06.279 --> 02:35:09.595 he's sitting there as an analyzer happy as a frog in a pond. 02:35:09.595 --> 02:35:13.787 He is gonna be highly performing because he's motivated, 02:35:13.787 --> 02:35:15.551 he loves what he's doing. 02:35:15.551 --> 02:35:18.557 You've got the leader over there as a influencer. 02:35:18.557 --> 02:35:20.753 He's the little triangle there, 02:35:20.753 --> 02:35:23.634 and he thinks the team is doing really great but 02:35:23.634 --> 02:35:26.202 for some reason he cannot get his team over the line. 02:35:26.202 --> 02:35:29.640 For some reason they just don't get everything completed. 02:35:29.640 --> 02:35:32.611 What's missing is your amplimeters. 02:35:32.611 --> 02:35:34.427 They are the ones that are gonna take 02:35:34.427 --> 02:35:36.459 the initiative and get stuff done. 02:35:36.459 --> 02:35:37.973 They're missing from this team. 02:35:37.973 --> 02:35:40.568 So you can see how you can build your team, 02:35:40.568 --> 02:35:43.207 how you can grow your team and where 02:35:43.207 --> 02:35:46.707 you can spend your time developing people. 02:35:49.735 --> 02:35:53.269 Building a team that is highly cohesive involves 02:35:53.269 --> 02:35:57.019 knowing whose in your team and whose missing. 02:35:58.861 --> 02:36:01.376 When you build a highly cohesive team, 02:36:01.376 --> 02:36:03.819 there's gonna be teams you want to work with. 02:36:03.819 --> 02:36:05.984 There's gonna be teams you want to lead. 02:36:05.984 --> 02:36:07.892 These are going to be teams that are going 02:36:07.892 --> 02:36:10.132 to be highly successful in their mission. 02:36:10.132 --> 02:36:12.040 There's much more that these tools can do, 02:36:12.040 --> 02:36:14.527 but I know you've all been sitting here for a very long time 02:36:14.527 --> 02:36:16.993 and if you want to talk to me later I'm here. 02:36:16.993 --> 02:36:20.287 Pick my brain, do anything you want. 02:36:20.287 --> 02:36:23.399 And I just want to thank you for your time 02:36:23.399 --> 02:36:25.375 and I want to thank you for your service. 02:36:25.375 --> 02:36:27.426 - [Dan] Thank you Janet. 02:36:27.426 --> 02:36:29.107 Hey guys, that, she. 02:36:29.107 --> 02:36:30.134 (clapping) 02:36:30.134 --> 02:36:33.162 Yeah she covered a very complex subject and I kept beating 02:36:33.162 --> 02:36:35.804 her up all week saying you've got about five to ten minutes. 02:36:35.804 --> 02:36:38.722 So Janet I applaud what you tried to do. 02:36:38.722 --> 02:36:40.918 I think the best way we can tell you 02:36:40.918 --> 02:36:43.758 is give you stories of how this matters. 02:36:43.758 --> 02:36:47.248 And I'll let First Sergeant Christian or 02:36:47.248 --> 02:36:50.958 Sergeant Christian tell you what he and I talked about 02:36:50.958 --> 02:36:53.317 when I was doing his DISC debrief back in November. 02:36:53.317 --> 02:36:55.169 Go ahead Sergeant Christian. 02:36:55.169 --> 02:36:58.662 - [Christian] Okay so outgoing Ako Company First Sergeant 02:36:58.662 --> 02:37:00.856 when we first started doing this and we did the DISC 02:37:00.856 --> 02:37:03.414 Mr. Wilson came by and explained to us what it was. 02:37:03.414 --> 02:37:06.506 He was really interested to see you know how the NCO's 02:37:06.506 --> 02:37:08.312 and the officer corps would take it. 02:37:08.312 --> 02:37:09.853 I was really interested to see what 02:37:09.853 --> 02:37:11.297 this was gonna show me about myself. 02:37:11.297 --> 02:37:13.306 So if we rewind all the way back to the time prior 02:37:13.306 --> 02:37:17.091 to company live fires Bronco strike lightning forge 02:37:17.091 --> 02:37:19.229 lead my whip through our JRTC rotation, 02:37:19.229 --> 02:37:23.229 me and the commander both, you know we found out 02:37:24.145 --> 02:37:27.078 through this assessment we were both very high D's. 02:37:27.078 --> 02:37:28.554 I was a little higher on the I. 02:37:28.554 --> 02:37:30.571 But we clashed a lot , we were butting heads 02:37:30.571 --> 02:37:34.239 and you know we both received information 02:37:34.239 --> 02:37:36.831 and then we both wanted different things. 02:37:36.831 --> 02:37:38.391 Just like you were saying we both were 02:37:38.391 --> 02:37:40.179 on opposite ends of the spectrum. 02:37:40.179 --> 02:37:41.917 We were a lot alike in some instances, 02:37:41.917 --> 02:37:44.671 but polar opposites in others and it was becoming 02:37:44.671 --> 02:37:47.892 you know not an issue between the two of us 02:37:47.892 --> 02:37:50.119 we worked as very well together as a team 02:37:50.119 --> 02:37:52.896 but there was a lot of tension a lot of times 02:37:52.896 --> 02:37:54.800 coming up to training events and whatnot. 02:37:54.800 --> 02:37:56.835 So once Mr. Wilson and myself sat down 02:37:56.835 --> 02:37:59.563 and we did the debrief and I sort of saw 02:37:59.563 --> 02:38:01.767 some things in myself and saw where 02:38:01.767 --> 02:38:03.696 that conflict might come from, 02:38:03.696 --> 02:38:06.927 I think even more useful to us when we sat down 02:38:06.927 --> 02:38:08.837 and we did the team debrief. 02:38:08.837 --> 02:38:11.054 So once him, myself, the XO and the commander all sat down 02:38:11.054 --> 02:38:15.554 it was very easy to see you know the different styles. 02:38:16.486 --> 02:38:19.097 I ended up being the highest 02:38:19.097 --> 02:38:20.848 in the commanding out of the group, 02:38:20.848 --> 02:38:23.437 so just talked about leadership styles and what you were, 02:38:23.437 --> 02:38:25.370 it was more so interesting to find out 02:38:25.370 --> 02:38:29.755 my adaptive ability and how I work with others. 02:38:29.755 --> 02:38:32.762 So while my commanding might be the highest one, 02:38:32.762 --> 02:38:36.503 I also have enough self awareness in that to understand 02:38:36.503 --> 02:38:39.675 that while working with others I need to kind of relegate 02:38:39.675 --> 02:38:42.321 myself back a little bit and understand that I need to be 02:38:42.321 --> 02:38:45.830 dusted with the commanders intent and then understand better 02:38:45.830 --> 02:38:48.886 how he needs to receive information and vice versa. 02:38:48.886 --> 02:38:51.233 Once he saw hey this is how first sergeant works, 02:38:51.233 --> 02:38:54.141 this is how he likes to give information and this is how 02:38:54.141 --> 02:38:56.085 he likes to receive then I understood 02:38:56.085 --> 02:38:57.956 I can't just give him bottom line up front. 02:38:57.956 --> 02:38:59.871 He needs a little more analytics, he wants me to explain 02:38:59.871 --> 02:39:01.938 the science of things to him what he needs 02:39:01.938 --> 02:39:03.742 what the outcomes are going to be 02:39:03.742 --> 02:39:05.697 and how we're going to get after that 02:39:05.697 --> 02:39:07.409 is not just hey we're going to achieve this 02:39:07.409 --> 02:39:09.391 and I'm gonna go do it for you right now. 02:39:09.391 --> 02:39:11.302 Well no that's not enough he wants to know 02:39:11.302 --> 02:39:12.903 what are we doing to implement those things. 02:39:12.903 --> 02:39:16.227 So in a team overview and I know we're running short on time 02:39:16.227 --> 02:39:18.674 and all that, throughout the company 02:39:18.674 --> 02:39:21.788 and I think Sergeant here he's the incoming and he can 02:39:21.788 --> 02:39:25.767 tell you it made huge dividends in the long run. 02:39:25.767 --> 02:39:29.191 I feel like our cohesion together just as a company overall 02:39:29.191 --> 02:39:32.836 from the command team down was extremely beneficial, 02:39:32.836 --> 02:39:37.129 you know it was much easier and smoother working together 02:39:37.129 --> 02:39:41.499 over time and we just started coming together collectively. 02:39:41.499 --> 02:39:43.746 And things started running really smooth. 02:39:43.746 --> 02:39:47.246 So Sergeant do you want to caveat to this. 02:39:50.143 --> 02:39:51.776 - So during the DISC assessment 02:39:51.776 --> 02:39:54.943 I was Platoon Sergeant of Alpha company 235. 02:39:54.943 --> 02:39:57.980 And how he was talking the commander 02:39:57.980 --> 02:40:00.271 and himself were butting heads a lot. 02:40:00.271 --> 02:40:02.634 That was visible to all Platoon Sergeants and PL's. 02:40:02.634 --> 02:40:05.636 We could feel the tension, we could feel when mom and dad 02:40:05.636 --> 02:40:09.808 were arguing with each other and what was going on. 02:40:09.808 --> 02:40:12.560 So after the DISC assessment so we all took 02:40:12.560 --> 02:40:16.647 the DISC assessment not really knowing what it was exactly. 02:40:16.647 --> 02:40:19.291 We had it briefly explained to us and then we came 02:40:19.291 --> 02:40:22.207 and we were briefed individually and then as a team. 02:40:22.207 --> 02:40:24.624 So after the DISC assessment, 02:40:25.787 --> 02:40:29.030 after the team and actually the individual 02:40:29.030 --> 02:40:32.301 where you know First Sergeant and commander 02:40:32.301 --> 02:40:34.662 kind of understood each other a little bit better 02:40:34.662 --> 02:40:36.929 and commander understood his PL's better 02:40:36.929 --> 02:40:40.018 and First Sergeant understood Platoon Sergeants better, 02:40:40.018 --> 02:40:44.669 we actually fast forward like our cohesiveness 02:40:44.669 --> 02:40:46.863 and our effectiveness as a team. 02:40:46.863 --> 02:40:49.956 It would be hard to put a timeline on it 02:40:49.956 --> 02:40:53.052 but I would say it was at least three or four months. 02:40:53.052 --> 02:40:56.275 And we reached a certain level that without the DISC 02:40:56.275 --> 02:40:58.288 assessment I'm not sure if it 02:40:58.288 --> 02:40:59.976 would even have got to that level. 02:40:59.976 --> 02:41:03.007 So not only do we fast forward ahead and kind of skip 02:41:03.007 --> 02:41:05.990 the whole hey how are you, let's peel this out. 02:41:05.990 --> 02:41:09.286 But we also got to a higher level than I think we ever 02:41:09.286 --> 02:41:12.035 would have got to at an operating environment. 02:41:12.035 --> 02:41:15.045 - [Dan] Oh thank you very much and I'll just relate 02:41:15.045 --> 02:41:17.274 two more stories with an apache company. 02:41:17.274 --> 02:41:20.126 I was debriefing First Sergeant Christian 02:41:20.126 --> 02:41:22.018 and he said I gotta tell you sir, 02:41:22.018 --> 02:41:24.084 he said this company is already better 02:41:24.084 --> 02:41:25.025 for the work that we're doing. 02:41:25.025 --> 02:41:26.914 And this was about a week and a half into this. 02:41:26.914 --> 02:41:29.164 I had given the company commander his debrief. 02:41:29.164 --> 02:41:30.622 I was debriefing him. 02:41:30.622 --> 02:41:32.719 I don't even think we had done the team debrief yet 02:41:32.719 --> 02:41:34.560 and he said the company's already better. 02:41:34.560 --> 02:41:36.258 I said how so First Sergeant? 02:41:36.258 --> 02:41:39.439 He said I got an email from Captain Hubbler the other day 02:41:39.439 --> 02:41:40.525 I had to read it three times 02:41:40.525 --> 02:41:42.075 because I didn't think it was from him. 02:41:42.075 --> 02:41:45.033 Okay we have a strong Ranger here Captain Hubbler. 02:41:45.033 --> 02:41:48.121 He's a high, in fact he's one of the only pure D's 02:41:48.121 --> 02:41:50.459 if you're trained, you know what that means. 02:41:50.459 --> 02:41:52.222 Donald Trump is a pure D. 02:41:52.222 --> 02:41:56.629 Most people have a combination of several of the factors. 02:41:56.629 --> 02:41:59.460 But Jeff Hubbler is a high D, okay? 02:41:59.460 --> 02:42:02.959 He's very demanding, he has little patience for people, 02:42:02.959 --> 02:42:04.423 things like that. 02:42:04.423 --> 02:42:06.536 When he started to gain awareness 02:42:06.536 --> 02:42:08.578 that other people were not like that, 02:42:08.578 --> 02:42:11.769 Jeff is somebody to say if we just do things harder 02:42:11.769 --> 02:42:14.555 and better we are going to be a great company. 02:42:14.555 --> 02:42:17.061 And what I noticed the outsider perspective 02:42:17.061 --> 02:42:19.417 was the company was good technically and tactically, 02:42:19.417 --> 02:42:21.922 but there was an underlying current of tension 02:42:21.922 --> 02:42:24.800 that wasn't as cohesive as it could be. 02:42:24.800 --> 02:42:27.840 And when Jeff Hubbler realized that hey, 02:42:27.840 --> 02:42:30.534 my people are differently than awareness, 02:42:30.534 --> 02:42:34.192 he started to modify or adapt his communication styles 02:42:34.192 --> 02:42:36.977 to communicate with people that are different than him. 02:42:36.977 --> 02:42:39.904 The other thing I will tell you 02:42:39.904 --> 02:42:41.844 if you look at this slide right here. 02:42:41.844 --> 02:42:43.933 All three of the members of the leadership team 02:42:43.933 --> 02:42:47.222 of the apache company are, one of their 02:42:47.222 --> 02:42:49.640 driving forces is their objective. 02:42:49.640 --> 02:42:51.523 All they care about is getting it done. 02:42:51.523 --> 02:42:53.988 They don't care about the subjective 02:42:53.988 --> 02:42:56.876 experience that being harmonious is. 02:42:56.876 --> 02:42:59.300 I'm a high harmonious driver. 02:42:59.300 --> 02:43:04.268 So I told him I said so, and again sensing some tension 02:43:04.268 --> 02:43:07.718 in the company and a lack of espirit de cour, 02:43:07.718 --> 02:43:11.572 I said whose building the experience of Alpha Company? 02:43:11.572 --> 02:43:14.634 Captain Hubbler came back to me about three days later 02:43:14.634 --> 02:43:17.178 and said Dan I don't even know where to start on that. 02:43:17.178 --> 02:43:19.403 Well of course you don't, it's not important to you. 02:43:19.403 --> 02:43:21.598 So being a high harmonious person, 02:43:21.598 --> 02:43:24.182 I went to him and I said hey try some of this stuff. 02:43:24.182 --> 02:43:27.034 He came back later and he said it's working. 02:43:27.034 --> 02:43:30.161 So what I would tell you is hey you don't always have 02:43:30.161 --> 02:43:32.431 a Dan Wilson that just happens to be high harmonious. 02:43:32.431 --> 02:43:34.501 But the value of this is the self awareness 02:43:34.501 --> 02:43:36.153 and the awareness of your team 02:43:36.153 --> 02:43:39.449 allows you to build function that makes you a better team. 02:43:39.449 --> 02:43:41.449 Okay yeah Pete go ahead. 02:43:42.761 --> 02:43:44.852 - [Pete] I just wanna reinforce 02:43:44.852 --> 02:43:46.736 and I always throw in the brain science here as we go 02:43:46.736 --> 02:43:48.429 because that's what we're talking about here. 02:43:48.429 --> 02:43:51.309 The key is we're hardwired like this. 02:43:51.309 --> 02:43:54.923 Some call it your MO, some call it your instincts whatever. 02:43:54.923 --> 02:43:57.302 You're hardwired, so when you're 02:43:57.302 --> 02:43:59.514 born you're hardwired certain ways. 02:43:59.514 --> 02:44:02.096 They key is remember frontal lobes are developing 02:44:02.096 --> 02:44:04.302 when you get to this point 02:44:04.302 --> 02:44:07.201 your body has a natural neurochemical reaction when 02:44:07.201 --> 02:44:09.887 somebody's going against your instincts or hard wiring. 02:44:09.887 --> 02:44:12.949 It's actually something you can't necessarily control 02:44:12.949 --> 02:44:15.008 because it's your emotional brain 02:44:15.008 --> 02:44:16.566 that's kicking out those chemicals. 02:44:16.566 --> 02:44:18.033 The key is is your frontal lobe 02:44:18.033 --> 02:44:19.631 called you get awareness here, 02:44:19.631 --> 02:44:22.102 you override that because your instincts 02:44:22.102 --> 02:44:24.314 could be leading you the wrong way. 02:44:24.314 --> 02:44:25.903 And the key is okay so you get your team 02:44:25.903 --> 02:44:28.576 so you know how the commander is, 02:44:28.576 --> 02:44:31.441 so you understand it's not personal now. 02:44:31.441 --> 02:44:34.428 It's just my instincts so I gotta get control my instincts 02:44:34.428 --> 02:44:37.372 and now I'm gonna control it and do this. 02:44:37.372 --> 02:44:39.646 But think about this when you're dealing with other cultures 02:44:39.646 --> 02:44:42.854 and the other tribes and you know with the Marines okay? 02:44:42.854 --> 02:44:46.955 I just put that out because anytime you have the culture, 02:44:46.955 --> 02:44:49.724 they have hard wired instincts so as you're doing 02:44:49.724 --> 02:44:52.444 the tribal negotiations try to figure out 02:44:52.444 --> 02:44:55.071 what their instincts are and then 02:44:55.071 --> 02:44:58.225 adjust your communication to their instincts. 02:44:58.225 --> 02:45:01.532 So I mean again this is part of that baselining piece 02:45:01.532 --> 02:45:03.742 to know where you are, where your team is 02:45:03.742 --> 02:45:05.438 and also where your gaps are. 02:45:05.438 --> 02:45:08.347 Cause to be honest you don't want everybody the same. 02:45:08.347 --> 02:45:11.574 Cause then you lose the risk assessment and your flexibility 02:45:11.574 --> 02:45:14.469 but if you got somebody on the other extreme you're gonna 02:45:14.469 --> 02:45:16.424 think they're personally going against ya and they're not. 02:45:16.424 --> 02:45:18.474 That's their instincts, they're actually a value 02:45:18.474 --> 02:45:20.941 to your team for an adaptable team. 02:45:20.941 --> 02:45:23.924 And you actually, that one gap area is a huge gap area 02:45:23.924 --> 02:45:26.076 and you gotta recognize you don't have that. 02:45:26.076 --> 02:45:28.282 So if I had the company commander I'd say 02:45:28.282 --> 02:45:30.368 can I get somebody with this capability in my squad 02:45:30.368 --> 02:45:32.636 or my platoon because I need the flexibility. 02:45:32.636 --> 02:45:34.803 So it's a management tool. 02:45:41.295 --> 02:45:42.907 - [Dan] Just a great discussion Pete 02:45:42.907 --> 02:45:44.657 you brought up one point I just want to bring up 02:45:44.657 --> 02:45:45.904 the other thing I think you get is if 02:45:45.904 --> 02:45:48.692 you understand yourself and no others within your team 02:45:48.692 --> 02:45:53.334 you become a much more culturally acute person as well. 02:45:53.334 --> 02:45:55.761 So if I understand that there are differences 02:45:55.761 --> 02:45:58.443 even within' this culture with our 02:45:58.443 --> 02:46:00.190 diverse backgrounds and upbringings, 02:46:00.190 --> 02:46:02.366 now if you just add in the differences of religion 02:46:02.366 --> 02:46:05.859 and culture and history and you're just aware of that, 02:46:05.859 --> 02:46:07.803 to me there's a secondary or tracery benefit 02:46:07.803 --> 02:46:11.277 to this kind of thing that is really amazing. 02:46:11.277 --> 02:46:14.765 Okay so one last, what we want to do talk is last about 02:46:14.765 --> 02:46:18.476 is we've woven this throughout so I don't need to cover 02:46:18.476 --> 02:46:20.640 a lot of it but one thing I'll tell you is 02:46:20.640 --> 02:46:22.899 that we're trying to develop a Green Book App 02:46:22.899 --> 02:46:24.844 that actually puts a lot of these things 02:46:24.844 --> 02:46:26.751 at the point of convenience for soldiers. 02:46:26.751 --> 02:46:29.542 And one of the things, the paradigm we have to break 02:46:29.542 --> 02:46:31.807 is this whole cack enabled firewall business. 02:46:31.807 --> 02:46:34.833 We've got to be able to get these things on smartphones. 02:46:34.833 --> 02:46:36.289 And so that's our fight. 02:46:36.289 --> 02:46:38.534 We've talked about all these other things. 02:46:38.534 --> 02:46:41.850 But what I wanna do now is introduce Ryan Macalinden 02:46:41.850 --> 02:46:44.118 from the Institute for Creative Technologies 02:46:44.118 --> 02:46:45.593 at the University of Southern California. 02:46:45.593 --> 02:46:48.456 Ryan has a Masters Degree in computer science from USC 02:46:48.456 --> 02:46:51.576 and from a Bachelors Degree in computer science from Rutgers 02:46:51.576 --> 02:46:54.033 He spent about 15 years working this for the 02:46:54.033 --> 02:46:57.834 Army research laboratory institute for creative technology. 02:46:57.834 --> 02:47:01.379 He also has time in Afghanistan and with NATO 02:47:01.379 --> 02:47:03.252 where he did security assessments 02:47:03.252 --> 02:47:05.033 for the commander of ISAF over there. 02:47:05.033 --> 02:47:07.011 The only, I love him I love talking to him. 02:47:07.011 --> 02:47:08.868 We had a great discussion last night that was completely 02:47:08.868 --> 02:47:11.297 unrelated to technology but about leadership and things. 02:47:11.297 --> 02:47:13.687 The only thing is he's a Dodgers fan 02:47:13.687 --> 02:47:15.705 so that's a knock on his credibility. 02:47:15.705 --> 02:47:18.044 But Ryan you wanna please come up and talk. 02:47:18.044 --> 02:47:20.470 He's gonna talk to you about use of gaming. 02:47:20.470 --> 02:47:23.044 Technology, virtual and augmented reality to get after 02:47:23.044 --> 02:47:27.294 some of these things that we've been talking about. 02:47:34.671 --> 02:47:38.245 - So thank you for staying the limited audience that's left. 02:47:38.245 --> 02:47:41.643 Today I'm gonna, and my boss Dr. Randy Hill is here. 02:47:41.643 --> 02:47:45.673 What I'm gonna talk about now is how we can use 02:47:45.673 --> 02:47:48.552 technology specifically apps and games 02:47:48.552 --> 02:47:50.981 to enhance the training experience. 02:47:50.981 --> 02:47:55.119 And what is it that we're trying to get after here? 02:47:55.119 --> 02:47:58.474 I mean the core of this revolves around repetition of tasks. 02:47:58.474 --> 02:48:00.330 Right so if you think about what you learn 02:48:00.330 --> 02:48:02.655 in a classroom setting that's declarative knowledge. 02:48:02.655 --> 02:48:05.215 That's knowledge that goes into your memory it's often 02:48:05.215 --> 02:48:07.228 static you get tested on it, it doesn't really change. 02:48:07.228 --> 02:48:09.268 But then you have to implement that task. 02:48:09.268 --> 02:48:11.393 Or you have to implement that knowledge, 02:48:11.393 --> 02:48:13.095 and that's called procedural knowledge. 02:48:13.095 --> 02:48:15.865 And that's really what games and apps are suited for. 02:48:15.865 --> 02:48:20.294 Is performance of a specific task and then evaluating that 02:48:20.294 --> 02:48:23.461 to see if you've done it correctly or incorrectly. 02:48:23.461 --> 02:48:26.106 So that's really why we want to use technology. 02:48:26.106 --> 02:48:28.402 That's not really what I'm gonna talk about. 02:48:28.402 --> 02:48:30.445 I'm not gonna go into the litany of research 02:48:30.445 --> 02:48:32.120 that either supports it or refutes it, 02:48:32.120 --> 02:48:33.863 you can sort of take it at face value. 02:48:33.863 --> 02:48:35.572 What I want to talk about are 02:48:35.572 --> 02:48:37.282 numbers three four and five there. 02:48:37.282 --> 02:48:38.953 What we want to do with technology 02:48:38.953 --> 02:48:42.255 is get people through the experiences 02:48:42.255 --> 02:48:44.264 and through the training in a way 02:48:44.264 --> 02:48:46.353 that you can't do in a classroom setting. 02:48:46.353 --> 02:48:48.280 And really the way that you do 02:48:48.280 --> 02:48:50.437 that is using their personal devices, 02:48:50.437 --> 02:48:53.460 using whether it's phones tablets computers, 02:48:53.460 --> 02:48:55.895 and we want to tailor that experience right? 02:48:55.895 --> 02:48:58.878 So if you think about every App that you use now, 02:48:58.878 --> 02:49:01.378 it is tracking your use of it. 02:49:02.346 --> 02:49:05.317 Whether it's through clicks, whether it's through profiles, 02:49:05.317 --> 02:49:06.995 whether it's through collaborations, 02:49:06.995 --> 02:49:08.524 whether it's through your history. 02:49:08.524 --> 02:49:10.451 Facebook is the most notorious for this, 02:49:10.451 --> 02:49:11.984 but everyone does it. 02:49:11.984 --> 02:49:13.766 And we in the Army don't do it. 02:49:13.766 --> 02:49:15.525 We don't do it through our Applications. 02:49:15.525 --> 02:49:17.055 We don't do it through our technology. 02:49:17.055 --> 02:49:22.055 We have our IDP's and our ACRV's for the civilians out there 02:49:22.764 --> 02:49:25.160 but we don't really have a good way of tracking 02:49:25.160 --> 02:49:28.160 the progression of someone as they go through their careers 02:49:28.160 --> 02:49:30.361 both physically as well as cognitively. 02:49:30.361 --> 02:49:33.422 And that's what I think technology can assist us with. 02:49:33.422 --> 02:49:37.609 And is right for, I mean all the frameworks now 02:49:37.609 --> 02:49:39.738 that are used and build for 02:49:39.738 --> 02:49:41.836 APPs have that built in database. 02:49:41.836 --> 02:49:44.066 That last part there with repeat customers 02:49:44.066 --> 02:49:46.936 how do we get people back to using the APP's and the games. 02:49:46.936 --> 02:49:49.491 We talked about the Sergeant that E's. 02:49:49.491 --> 02:49:52.674 We talked about them using Instagram or Facebook or YouTube. 02:49:52.674 --> 02:49:55.453 I think our job is to compel them away from using that 02:49:55.453 --> 02:49:58.454 and move them towards using interesting 02:49:58.454 --> 02:50:01.524 compelling, innovative technologies that we've developed 02:50:01.524 --> 02:50:05.476 that help practice or test or whatever the task 02:50:05.476 --> 02:50:09.106 that we want them to be proficient at. 02:50:09.106 --> 02:50:12.435 So I think those are the sort of five things that we want 02:50:12.435 --> 02:50:14.500 technology to assist us with, 02:50:14.500 --> 02:50:16.658 and they all can be done in different ways. 02:50:16.658 --> 02:50:18.404 I'll talk a little bit about it 02:50:18.404 --> 02:50:19.925 but I'd also like to get your feeback as to 02:50:19.925 --> 02:50:22.713 how we can compel people away from surfing the web 02:50:22.713 --> 02:50:26.167 or watching YouTube and using their devices more effectively 02:50:26.167 --> 02:50:29.174 for things that we want them to use, use them for. 02:50:29.174 --> 02:50:32.754 So there's a bunch of different way to do this. 02:50:32.754 --> 02:50:35.361 Obviously you need a good experience, right? 02:50:35.361 --> 02:50:37.474 You have to have good graphics. 02:50:37.474 --> 02:50:39.665 You have to have a good user experience. 02:50:39.665 --> 02:50:41.323 You have to have a narrative or story 02:50:41.323 --> 02:50:42.634 that brings people through it. 02:50:42.634 --> 02:50:43.807 These are all things that I think 02:50:43.807 --> 02:50:45.891 should be institutionalized within the Army 02:50:45.891 --> 02:50:47.474 at least as it relates to producing 02:50:47.474 --> 02:50:49.512 content and producing technologies. 02:50:49.512 --> 02:50:51.474 But and that's gonna take time. 02:50:51.474 --> 02:50:54.289 I mean it's gonna take time to get that into the culture. 02:50:54.289 --> 02:50:56.930 The second and third ones there 02:50:56.930 --> 02:50:58.750 exploiting the latest and greatest hardware 02:50:58.750 --> 02:51:00.595 and then taking advantage of the devices. 02:51:00.595 --> 02:51:03.491 This is not just to do it for the sake of doing it. 02:51:03.491 --> 02:51:06.887 It's doing it because, one question I forgot to ask 02:51:06.887 --> 02:51:09.014 was how many people play games, electronic games 02:51:09.014 --> 02:51:12.847 whether it's on your phone or on the computer. 02:51:14.125 --> 02:51:16.989 How many people know people in their units that play games 02:51:16.989 --> 02:51:20.906 regularly on their computer or on their phones. 02:51:22.014 --> 02:51:24.531 Okay so and my guess is most of those people are 02:51:24.531 --> 02:51:26.672 using androids or their using IOS devices 02:51:26.672 --> 02:51:29.302 and the reason, the nice thing about 02:51:29.302 --> 02:51:31.281 having the greatest tech is that 02:51:31.281 --> 02:51:32.888 you're sort of baselining it. 02:51:32.888 --> 02:51:34.361 You're putting everyone in the same can. 02:51:34.361 --> 02:51:36.284 And that makes producing content for it easier. 02:51:36.284 --> 02:51:38.694 The problem is the certificates of net worthiness. 02:51:38.694 --> 02:51:41.019 It's the policy, the acquisition model 02:51:41.019 --> 02:51:43.858 that doesn't allow us to get that out to the force. 02:51:43.858 --> 02:51:46.801 And that's something that we continue to struggle with 02:51:46.801 --> 02:51:49.058 but remains a big challenge. 02:51:49.058 --> 02:51:51.525 The last one there is the incentivization. 02:51:51.525 --> 02:51:55.581 This goes back to not having your CO order you to use 02:51:55.581 --> 02:51:58.891 a game or an APP but you want to use the carrot right? 02:51:58.891 --> 02:52:00.782 How can you get them back? 02:52:00.782 --> 02:52:02.728 And there's really two primary 02:52:02.728 --> 02:52:04.594 ways that game studios do this. 02:52:04.594 --> 02:52:06.433 One is through just pure competition. 02:52:06.433 --> 02:52:08.411 Leaderboards you think Call of Duty, 02:52:08.411 --> 02:52:11.433 Ranking yourself higher than your peer or your neighbor 02:52:11.433 --> 02:52:13.883 or whoever is one way of doing that. 02:52:13.883 --> 02:52:15.685 The other way is through a game economy. 02:52:15.685 --> 02:52:18.876 And if you're familiar with any of the Apps out there 02:52:18.876 --> 02:52:20.755 where you can make in App purchases, 02:52:20.755 --> 02:52:22.744 this is a great example of an in game economy 02:52:22.744 --> 02:52:26.645 that has really flowered in the past five years or so 02:52:26.645 --> 02:52:29.227 and has really driven the progression 02:52:29.227 --> 02:52:30.782 of the way that games are used. 02:52:30.782 --> 02:52:32.381 And it's something I think the Army can use. 02:52:32.381 --> 02:52:34.261 Obviously you're not going to click play 02:52:34.261 --> 02:52:37.920 to give them a dollar, give the play store a dollar, 02:52:37.920 --> 02:52:39.629 but there's other ways of doing that either 02:52:39.629 --> 02:52:43.492 measuring their performance as part of a test 02:52:43.492 --> 02:52:46.955 or a sample and then giving them credits 02:52:46.955 --> 02:52:48.452 or giving them resources that 02:52:48.452 --> 02:52:51.535 they can spend inside the experience. 02:52:53.359 --> 02:52:55.696 So this is sort of my last slide 02:52:55.696 --> 02:52:57.665 before I just wanted ask the question. 02:52:57.665 --> 02:53:01.207 You can look at games and Apps in three broad categories. 02:53:01.207 --> 02:53:02.894 You have your real casual ones. 02:53:02.894 --> 02:53:04.524 These are things that you have 02:53:04.524 --> 02:53:06.535 for 15 minutes or less of contact time. 02:53:06.535 --> 02:53:08.625 They really don't have any narrative. 02:53:08.625 --> 02:53:09.883 They really don't have a story. 02:53:09.883 --> 02:53:11.465 You can go in you can come back. 02:53:11.465 --> 02:53:13.269 You may advance a level or two but there's nothing 02:53:13.269 --> 02:53:17.588 that's underpinning it in terms of cohesion. 02:53:17.588 --> 02:53:19.632 Then you have mobile web based 02:53:19.632 --> 02:53:21.340 that have some persistence to it. 02:53:21.340 --> 02:53:22.928 This is usually a story, people tend 02:53:22.928 --> 02:53:25.231 to play them for 15-30 minutes at a time. 02:53:25.231 --> 02:53:27.062 And when you go back you feel 02:53:27.062 --> 02:53:29.076 as if there's progress happening. 02:53:29.076 --> 02:53:31.670 And the last ones are kind of your traditional 02:53:31.670 --> 02:53:34.217 consoles right your big Call of Duty, 02:53:34.217 --> 02:53:36.010 your Sports games, your racing games. 02:53:36.010 --> 02:53:37.883 Usually longer than 30 minutes, 02:53:37.883 --> 02:53:41.083 a lot more development costs associated with them, 02:53:41.083 --> 02:53:45.278 but also there's a much more entrenched community there. 02:53:45.278 --> 02:53:46.770 Much smaller numbers though. 02:53:46.770 --> 02:53:49.631 So this is kind of where I wanted to ask the question 02:53:49.631 --> 02:53:51.630 and a lot of people left so I don't 02:53:51.630 --> 02:53:53.304 know if I'm gonna get any answers. 02:53:53.304 --> 02:53:55.193 But looking at these different ways of delivering content, 02:53:55.193 --> 02:53:57.190 how do we compel people, 02:53:57.190 --> 02:54:01.435 how do we compel soldiers and warfighters away from using 02:54:01.435 --> 02:54:03.686 their devices on their downtime, 02:54:03.686 --> 02:54:06.310 because I'm talking about outside the white space. 02:54:06.310 --> 02:54:07.773 I'm not talking about the CO 02:54:07.773 --> 02:54:09.373 asking if they go through Serigo 02:54:09.373 --> 02:54:11.514 or going through some widget X. 02:54:11.514 --> 02:54:13.456 We want them to do it right before bedtime. 02:54:13.456 --> 02:54:17.129 10 minutes on a couch before they're about to go eat dinner. 02:54:17.129 --> 02:54:19.451 We can take advantage of that time. 02:54:19.451 --> 02:54:21.394 They do it now anyway, and they're surfing the web. 02:54:21.394 --> 02:54:25.141 So what are some ways either Apps or games or experiences 02:54:25.141 --> 02:54:29.658 that you think could be beneficial in a small amount 02:54:29.658 --> 02:54:32.590 of contact time that would benefit the unit 02:54:32.590 --> 02:54:36.840 benefit the overall approach that a particular unit 02:54:39.506 --> 02:54:42.256 may have to accomplishing a task. 02:54:43.905 --> 02:54:45.988 Well think about it then. 02:54:47.801 --> 02:54:49.977 - [Dan] Well if I could, cause I think about this a lot. 02:54:49.977 --> 02:54:52.538 I mean we've sat down in Las Angeles with the initial game 02:54:52.538 --> 02:54:54.942 that we're trying to develop a complex thinking game. 02:54:54.942 --> 02:54:57.358 And I've been pretty critical of it. 02:54:57.358 --> 02:54:59.190 I'm like hey I think we gotta make it real. 02:54:59.190 --> 02:55:01.874 I think the question he's asking is how do we hook em? 02:55:01.874 --> 02:55:03.420 How do we get em? 02:55:03.420 --> 02:55:05.369 So what I would almost suggest is and I think 02:55:05.369 --> 02:55:07.254 this is the wrong audience for that, 02:55:07.254 --> 02:55:09.163 is go down to your young soldiers the youngest ones 02:55:09.163 --> 02:55:11.901 and go hey what are you playing and then 02:55:11.901 --> 02:55:15.062 how do we weave training into something 02:55:15.062 --> 02:55:17.312 that they already wanna do? 02:55:18.581 --> 02:55:20.691 - [Ryan] Yeah, yeah I don't think this is the right audience 02:55:20.691 --> 02:55:22.322 I mean unless they've got experiences 02:55:22.322 --> 02:55:25.094 or stories from their units. 02:55:25.094 --> 02:55:27.799 - [Pete] Well I wanna ask one because part of the piece is 02:55:27.799 --> 02:55:30.755 you gotta get them emotionally involved to want to do this. 02:55:30.755 --> 02:55:33.662 Okay and you know playing Call of Duty might be more fun 02:55:33.662 --> 02:55:35.646 than studying for the soldier test. 02:55:35.646 --> 02:55:38.327 But in the same vein is if you reward them with 02:55:38.327 --> 02:55:41.693 and I don't know your current systems or internal systems 02:55:41.693 --> 02:55:44.970 but I assume you have some system that to get in front 02:55:44.970 --> 02:55:47.864 of the promotion board they gotta do certain things. 02:55:47.864 --> 02:55:50.545 Okay well what if you gave them promotion points 02:55:50.545 --> 02:55:54.022 or additions to that because they're doing either 02:55:54.022 --> 02:55:57.477 the cultural things you want them on the app 02:55:57.477 --> 02:56:00.278 or they're doing the tactical things you want them 02:56:00.278 --> 02:56:02.965 on the app or they're again I'll go back to the dash 10. 02:56:02.965 --> 02:56:06.651 You do dash 10 they got gas so maybe the way they get up 02:56:06.651 --> 02:56:09.631 and if anybody knew second world how they get 02:56:09.631 --> 02:56:11.953 bigger and stuff let them buy into that. 02:56:11.953 --> 02:56:15.399 You gotta have a reward system they gotta be stretched 02:56:15.399 --> 02:56:17.960 for the neurons to grow and they gotta have 02:56:17.960 --> 02:56:19.850 a reward system to wanna do that. 02:56:19.850 --> 02:56:21.610 So if you give em promotion points 02:56:21.610 --> 02:56:23.877 and tie it to your systems I don't think 02:56:23.877 --> 02:56:25.962 you have to create a whole lot of new stuff 02:56:25.962 --> 02:56:27.994 you just want them to do what you want them to do 02:56:27.994 --> 02:56:30.560 but you gotta figure out how to incentivize them. 02:56:30.560 --> 02:56:32.334 And to be honest I'd got to the DISC. 02:56:32.334 --> 02:56:35.597 What causes them to be wanting to do it? 02:56:35.597 --> 02:56:38.614 Play to their biases and their instincts to want to do it 02:56:38.614 --> 02:56:42.720 and then the good things with apps like these guys can make 02:56:42.720 --> 02:56:45.532 cause I've seen them for years that they can do it. 02:56:45.532 --> 02:56:47.578 They can adjust it to anybody it's adaptable to anybody. 02:56:47.578 --> 02:56:50.368 So again we got a small group 02:56:50.368 --> 02:56:52.449 but it'd be nice to hear all the private 02:56:52.449 --> 02:56:55.017 but I think it's more to be honest more the NCOS 02:56:55.017 --> 02:56:58.090 and the trainer and officers how do I get what I need 02:56:58.090 --> 02:57:00.105 these kids to have so they're not 02:57:00.105 --> 02:57:02.772 just playing you know war games. 02:57:04.424 --> 02:57:08.591 - [Man] Here's one discussion I'm actually kind of 02:57:09.697 --> 02:57:12.639 interested in and that is so we're talking audience. 02:57:12.639 --> 02:57:15.572 Let's take that perspective and look at this audience. 02:57:15.572 --> 02:57:18.892 So for my Lieutenants, my Captains, Sergeants, 02:57:18.892 --> 02:57:22.030 we do a lot of tactical decision exercises 02:57:22.030 --> 02:57:24.948 on a map board with microtext. 02:57:24.948 --> 02:57:28.098 You know that's how we teach decision making. 02:57:28.098 --> 02:57:29.013 That's the audience that I'm, 02:57:29.013 --> 02:57:31.705 frankly that's the audience I care about. 02:57:31.705 --> 02:57:32.917 I mean I care about everybody 02:57:32.917 --> 02:57:36.247 but in terms of cultivating thought through an APP, 02:57:36.247 --> 02:57:38.908 if you can get your junior leaders up to 02:57:38.908 --> 02:57:42.763 your senior level commanders having an understanding, 02:57:42.763 --> 02:57:45.823 able to quickly get into an application 02:57:45.823 --> 02:57:48.593 and work through tactical decision gaming, 02:57:48.593 --> 02:57:53.260 to actually stimulate, fight the battle 15, 25, 30 times 02:57:56.492 --> 02:57:59.262 before they're actually in an environment where they're 02:57:59.262 --> 02:58:01.391 doing it I think that's probably, 02:58:01.391 --> 02:58:02.756 maybe it's a different branch. 02:58:02.756 --> 02:58:04.534 - Do you think that could be done on their own time? 02:58:04.534 --> 02:58:05.633 - [Man] Yes. 02:58:05.633 --> 02:58:06.945 - Is it done on their own time now? 02:58:06.945 --> 02:58:11.191 - [Man] It depends on who it is, so for me yes. 02:58:11.191 --> 02:58:14.028 I fight it on my own time or go back to playing 02:58:14.028 --> 02:58:16.220 Axes and Allies for instance, 02:58:16.220 --> 02:58:19.564 frankly it will depend on the leader 02:58:19.564 --> 02:58:23.343 and the willingness and I mean self developed. 02:58:23.343 --> 02:58:25.898 - But I think that's the key right, 02:58:25.898 --> 02:58:27.632 it is self development you're trying to 02:58:27.632 --> 02:58:29.401 do it outside this white space time. 02:58:29.401 --> 02:58:32.807 And so you look at something like SLACK which is a tool 02:58:32.807 --> 02:58:35.972 that is a good example of what people use on their down time 02:58:35.972 --> 02:58:38.257 to quickly message something about someone else. 02:58:38.257 --> 02:58:40.832 Well all of a sudden that one message then gets to 02:58:40.832 --> 02:58:42.652 X amount of people which informs them 02:58:42.652 --> 02:58:45.228 about something they didn't know 30 seconds prior. 02:58:45.228 --> 02:58:47.221 So it doesn't have to be done with a game. 02:58:47.221 --> 02:58:49.012 It can be done with an app, it can be done with SLACK 02:58:49.012 --> 02:58:50.770 and there are lots of tools out there to do it 02:58:50.770 --> 02:58:54.112 but it's good feedback, thanks. 02:58:54.112 --> 02:58:57.349 I think there was another comment. 02:58:57.349 --> 02:58:58.668 - [Man] I just had more of a request actually. 02:58:58.668 --> 02:59:00.483 As you all try to develop these games, 02:59:00.483 --> 02:59:02.908 is there a way that you could also put in there 02:59:02.908 --> 02:59:04.722 some of these online requirements 02:59:04.722 --> 02:59:06.682 we have our soldiers and airmen do, 02:59:06.682 --> 02:59:08.684 I'm an airforce guy by the way, 02:59:08.684 --> 02:59:10.856 and as an Air Force guy working with the Army 02:59:10.856 --> 02:59:12.445 one of the things that's aggravating 02:59:12.445 --> 02:59:14.082 is you know like information insurance. 02:59:14.082 --> 02:59:16.133 I've gotta take the Air Force and the Army now. 02:59:16.133 --> 02:59:18.490 So if you all could some how find a way 02:59:18.490 --> 02:59:21.227 as you hook these young Airmen and Soldiers and Marines 02:59:21.227 --> 02:59:24.200 and find a way to put in some of these other requirements 02:59:24.200 --> 02:59:27.004 and I don't if maybe that's maybe one of the hooks 02:59:27.004 --> 02:59:28.549 they get credit for that, 02:59:28.549 --> 02:59:31.395 we get all these pop up ads that come 02:59:31.395 --> 02:59:32.925 in these games they play anyway. 02:59:32.925 --> 02:59:35.067 What if one of the pop ups was one of the questions 02:59:35.067 --> 02:59:39.062 for one of these courses and somehow that could be 02:59:39.062 --> 02:59:42.228 filtered in and take care of some of those requirements. 02:59:42.228 --> 02:59:45.333 - [Speaker] Yeah I mean technically it's not difficult. 02:59:45.333 --> 02:59:47.313 And a lot of these challenges that we have 02:59:47.313 --> 02:59:48.822 they're not technical challenges, 02:59:48.822 --> 02:59:51.059 they're process challenges and policy challenges 02:59:51.059 --> 02:59:52.997 because you know you've got to coordinate 02:59:52.997 --> 02:59:55.083 with whoever has written the original requirement 02:59:55.083 --> 02:59:57.105 on the Air Force side and then the Army side 02:59:57.105 --> 02:59:58.854 and then you've got to say okay 02:59:58.854 --> 03:00:00.629 will you accept if we create this popup 03:00:00.629 --> 03:00:02.176 and then it links back to your system 03:00:02.176 --> 03:00:03.832 that gives in some amount of credit, 03:00:03.832 --> 03:00:05.819 or Pete had mentioned promotion points. 03:00:05.819 --> 03:00:07.864 Well we have to tie that in to an underlying system. 03:00:07.864 --> 03:00:10.077 Well then you need a certificate of net worthiness 03:00:10.077 --> 03:00:12.581 because it's tied into an existing program of record 03:00:12.581 --> 03:00:15.065 and before you know it, you're three years down the road 03:00:15.065 --> 03:00:17.819 the technologies OBE and you have to redevelop the whole 03:00:17.819 --> 03:00:20.527 thing again and so the short answer to your question is yes 03:00:20.527 --> 03:00:22.370 it's feasible and possible, 03:00:22.370 --> 03:00:24.995 but we need policy level people that are willing 03:00:24.995 --> 03:00:26.959 to make those changes or support 03:00:26.959 --> 03:00:29.596 those types of changes and features. 03:00:29.596 --> 03:00:32.429 And that's way above my pay grade. 03:00:42.341 --> 03:00:43.986 - Sir I just had an opinion sort of 03:00:43.986 --> 03:00:45.774 based on what you were saying Sir. 03:00:45.774 --> 03:00:50.774 I think an APP book, I think it's going to be a pain 03:00:50.918 --> 03:00:53.006 in the ass trying to do something 03:00:53.006 --> 03:00:54.946 that like to meet the SHARP requirement. 03:00:54.946 --> 03:00:58.439 One of the things I think now is the ability to access it, 03:00:58.439 --> 03:00:59.272 right? 03:01:00.347 --> 03:01:02.007 So if you're gonna do that the ability 03:01:02.007 --> 03:01:03.482 to try to access something you know 03:01:03.482 --> 03:01:06.726 log in with my Cack on my phone it takes too long. 03:01:06.726 --> 03:01:09.603 I think though and sort of tying into 03:01:09.603 --> 03:01:11.548 what we were saying earlier, 03:01:11.548 --> 03:01:14.268 is if you can have something that's interesting 03:01:14.268 --> 03:01:17.723 to use that helps with decision making and leadership 03:01:17.723 --> 03:01:22.455 because I think personally one of the things I've seen 03:01:22.455 --> 03:01:27.205 is if we can develop and empower leaders at a lower level 03:01:30.892 --> 03:01:33.224 cause I think we get like E5 level leaders 03:01:33.224 --> 03:01:36.574 that because it's their first experience with leadership 03:01:36.574 --> 03:01:39.407 that they maybe don't know how to, 03:01:41.282 --> 03:01:43.910 you know how to work that muscle so to speak. 03:01:43.910 --> 03:01:46.502 So if we can get something that but is also interesting 03:01:46.502 --> 03:01:49.013 because I think one of the biggest things 03:01:49.013 --> 03:01:51.109 that one of the biggest issues that we have 03:01:51.109 --> 03:01:53.906 when we develop things or the Army at large 03:01:53.906 --> 03:01:55.905 when it comes to developing things 03:01:55.905 --> 03:01:59.238 is great we have an APP but it's boring. 03:02:00.677 --> 03:02:03.260 Or the UI is not user friendly. 03:02:06.378 --> 03:02:07.717 - [Ryan] Yeah and it's not 03:02:07.717 --> 03:02:11.421 because it was designed poorly usually. 03:02:11.421 --> 03:02:15.038 It was usually a result of some policy or guidance 03:02:15.038 --> 03:02:18.082 that says it needs to work on internet explorer version 3 03:02:18.082 --> 03:02:21.028 from 2003 on your Windows XP machine 03:02:21.028 --> 03:02:22.940 with your Cack card, right? 03:02:22.940 --> 03:02:25.062 So in order to get it to work there 03:02:25.062 --> 03:02:27.258 you have to basically down-res all your videos 03:02:27.258 --> 03:02:29.347 and create a crappy UI and by the time 03:02:29.347 --> 03:02:32.562 all that's been done it's a very unfulfilling experience. 03:02:32.562 --> 03:02:35.672 That's why it kind of reverts back to the policy issue right 03:02:35.672 --> 03:02:39.363 of how do you, how can you build something that you can, 03:02:39.363 --> 03:02:42.169 and really this is what things like the OTA, 03:02:42.169 --> 03:02:44.257 like cross functional teams are trying to do right? 03:02:44.257 --> 03:02:45.626 They're trying to fast track aquisation 03:02:45.626 --> 03:02:47.299 to say no we're not gonna go through 03:02:47.299 --> 03:02:49.492 the traditional requirements process and bid process. 03:02:49.492 --> 03:02:51.545 We're going to try to get capability out to the force 03:02:51.545 --> 03:02:53.905 quickly and hopefully futures command 03:02:53.905 --> 03:02:55.411 will help us with some of this 03:02:55.411 --> 03:02:57.290 I know we've talked with General, 03:02:57.290 --> 03:02:58.534 well then it was General Cardone 03:02:58.534 --> 03:03:01.110 now I guess it's General I forgot whose taking over, 03:03:01.110 --> 03:03:03.531 but the idea of using personal devices right? 03:03:03.531 --> 03:03:06.229 So you don't have cack cards on your PD's, 03:03:06.229 --> 03:03:08.318 but there's no reason you can't use them. 03:03:08.318 --> 03:03:10.681 Everyone is pretty much baselined right now and there's no 03:03:10.681 --> 03:03:15.681 reason that those devices can't be used to deliver content. 03:03:15.876 --> 03:03:17.599 But yeah your point is well taken. 03:03:17.599 --> 03:03:19.480 I don't have a good answer because 03:03:19.480 --> 03:03:21.645 we're fighting again it's not a technical hurdle 03:03:21.645 --> 03:03:24.033 it's more of a procedural hurdle. 03:03:24.033 --> 03:03:25.510 - [Man] Sure and staying with 03:03:25.510 --> 03:03:27.768 I guess one of the other issues is you know 03:03:27.768 --> 03:03:29.331 four, six, eight years from now 03:03:29.331 --> 03:03:31.472 if we've developed a good program, 03:03:31.472 --> 03:03:35.368 maintaining that program as doctrine, 03:03:35.368 --> 03:03:39.125 not doctrine but as congress changes 03:03:39.125 --> 03:03:41.446 and as funding abilities change, 03:03:41.446 --> 03:03:43.783 to be able to maintain it on you know 03:03:43.783 --> 03:03:45.908 because we only like trying to run 03:03:45.908 --> 03:03:49.054 a Windows 95 system on a Windows 2004. 03:03:49.054 --> 03:03:51.226 - Yeah I mean so programs are record great example 03:03:51.226 --> 03:03:53.908 right if you we build the new supervisor development course 03:03:53.908 --> 03:03:55.749 and it's part of a program of record. 03:03:55.749 --> 03:03:58.350 That's now in the palm for the next three to five years. 03:03:58.350 --> 03:04:00.616 That technology's gonna move much quicker 03:04:00.616 --> 03:04:02.975 than the program of record will. 03:04:02.975 --> 03:04:04.882 So what happens when the Course needs 03:04:04.882 --> 03:04:06.828 to be redeveloped in a year and a half 03:04:06.828 --> 03:04:08.758 and those web services are no longer available. 03:04:08.758 --> 03:04:10.696 Like there's no good plan and I think 03:04:10.696 --> 03:04:13.757 we just have to figure out and we need the junior leaders 03:04:13.757 --> 03:04:15.501 that are coming up to make noise 03:04:15.501 --> 03:04:19.191 to say I don't just want it working on my nipper machine, 03:04:19.191 --> 03:04:20.741 that's not an acceptable answer. 03:04:20.741 --> 03:04:23.004 Because if it's just going to work on your nipper machine 03:04:23.004 --> 03:04:26.481 you're pretty much gonna limit your opportunity. 03:04:26.481 --> 03:04:28.494 No one's gonna use it. 03:04:28.494 --> 03:04:30.051 - [Dan] I just wanna put in a plug too 03:04:30.051 --> 03:04:31.772 for the Green Book too and it's the 25th infantry program 03:04:31.772 --> 03:04:34.689 or it's a user haw program project, 03:04:35.672 --> 03:04:37.455 and if you guys wanna give us people 03:04:37.455 --> 03:04:39.814 that are interested in this thing, the more the merrier. 03:04:39.814 --> 03:04:42.388 Because what I'll see is like the app's with the boring UI's 03:04:42.388 --> 03:04:44.421 I'll use the performance traid app 03:04:44.421 --> 03:04:46.342 as one of my favorite targets. 03:04:46.342 --> 03:04:48.286 You open that thing up and it's simply 03:04:48.286 --> 03:04:50.592 a series of web links to take you to Army websites. 03:04:50.592 --> 03:04:54.715 It's like where is the creativity, where is the intuitive. 03:04:54.715 --> 03:04:58.703 Exactly and I think that is mostly because as General Brown 03:04:58.703 --> 03:05:01.586 said, the innovation happens at the cutting edge. 03:05:01.586 --> 03:05:04.899 Instead what we normally get are these things handed 03:05:04.899 --> 03:05:06.859 from top down that are then rocks 03:05:06.859 --> 03:05:09.060 in your rucksack that you don't wanna carry. 03:05:09.060 --> 03:05:11.034 So what I'm trying to do and what we're trying to do 03:05:11.034 --> 03:05:12.855 at Soldiers Green Book is develop these things 03:05:12.855 --> 03:05:15.457 from the ground level up shoulder to shoulder with you guys 03:05:15.457 --> 03:05:17.637 so that we get better for you right now. 03:05:17.637 --> 03:05:19.637 So I welcome that, okay? 03:05:24.141 --> 03:05:26.129 - I was gonna jump in real quick 03:05:26.129 --> 03:05:28.468 and I know Colonel Jordan's gonna fix this 03:05:28.468 --> 03:05:30.465 when he gets up to future's command. 03:05:30.465 --> 03:05:32.535 This will be, here's the challenge we got. 03:05:32.535 --> 03:05:34.877 And this is on the infantry side and everything else. 03:05:34.877 --> 03:05:37.256 The contractors that make this stuff for ya, 03:05:37.256 --> 03:05:40.422 they make what's in the engineering spec sheet. 03:05:40.422 --> 03:05:44.365 The first time it touches a soldier is when they field it. 03:05:44.365 --> 03:05:47.415 And you've bought it and that's the unfortunate part. 03:05:47.415 --> 03:05:49.200 There's things called human system engineering 03:05:49.200 --> 03:05:51.598 and human system design, and there's also things 03:05:51.598 --> 03:05:54.180 called I'm telling you all the problems 03:05:54.180 --> 03:05:55.844 of why you don't see what you see. 03:05:55.844 --> 03:05:58.095 You know for those that don't know it's 03:05:58.095 --> 03:06:00.471 lowest price technically acceptable okay? 03:06:00.471 --> 03:06:02.694 That, that doesn't have innovation in it. 03:06:02.694 --> 03:06:04.789 That doesn't have anything that you want. 03:06:04.789 --> 03:06:06.516 That doesn't have human centered design. 03:06:06.516 --> 03:06:08.082 You're getting what the contractor wrote. 03:06:08.082 --> 03:06:09.880 So there's challenges in the system, 03:06:09.880 --> 03:06:11.734 the future's command has actually 03:06:11.734 --> 03:06:13.769 been stood up to attack those. 03:06:13.769 --> 03:06:15.623 But there's this thing called congress 03:06:15.623 --> 03:06:17.279 and acquisition law and cyber law, 03:06:17.279 --> 03:06:19.657 believe me I've been fighting all of these for years. 03:06:19.657 --> 03:06:22.229 There's two years to get a new 03:06:22.229 --> 03:06:23.863 cyber security on a new system. 03:06:23.863 --> 03:06:27.483 So if I want to put an app on a phone that's used on the 03:06:27.483 --> 03:06:30.653 system to get through the cyber security is two years. 03:06:30.653 --> 03:06:32.462 You know how often that technology changes? 03:06:32.462 --> 03:06:33.871 Every six months, okay? 03:06:33.871 --> 03:06:36.701 This is the challenge and this isn't the people aren't 03:06:36.701 --> 03:06:38.943 trying to get you the right stuff 03:06:38.943 --> 03:06:40.709 there's just a challenge to it. 03:06:40.709 --> 03:06:42.616 But you need to keep complaining, 03:06:42.616 --> 03:06:44.575 you need to say this is what I need to train my soldiers. 03:06:44.575 --> 03:06:47.332 This is what I need to develop the capability, 03:06:47.332 --> 03:06:50.334 because to be honest here listen to the end users 03:06:50.334 --> 03:06:52.227 part of the reason you don't know it exists 03:06:52.227 --> 03:06:56.054 and second of all you've gotta ask for it so they can then 03:06:56.054 --> 03:07:00.216 do that and again you'll have that challenge up there 03:07:00.216 --> 03:07:03.426 believe me you know I failed in a lot of those 03:07:03.426 --> 03:07:04.834 I'm just telling you up front 03:07:04.834 --> 03:07:06.540 one of the reasons I have the passion now 03:07:06.540 --> 03:07:07.980 is I know what you could have 03:07:07.980 --> 03:07:09.348 and what we haven't been able to get you. 03:07:09.348 --> 03:07:12.134 Sorry for that's not a happy ending. 03:07:12.134 --> 03:07:14.707 - It's unrelated to games and apps 03:07:14.707 --> 03:07:16.890 but last year we were out here with Colonel Ryan 03:07:16.890 --> 03:07:19.084 and third brigade doing a UAS work right? 03:07:19.084 --> 03:07:21.888 And we flew the CSCF mount area, 03:07:21.888 --> 03:07:24.049 did the reconstruction and said 03:07:24.049 --> 03:07:25.905 okay cool let's try to instrument this capability 03:07:25.905 --> 03:07:29.737 then the ban came out where you can't fly the UAS'. 03:07:29.737 --> 03:07:31.793 You had already bought them 03:07:31.793 --> 03:07:34.077 so they're sitting in a box right, they can't be used. 03:07:34.077 --> 03:07:36.093 And by the time you get the permission 03:07:36.093 --> 03:07:38.161 and you want to buy more the only place 03:07:38.161 --> 03:07:39.919 to buy them are going to be on Ebay used 03:07:39.919 --> 03:07:41.135 because they moved onto the next production model. 03:07:41.135 --> 03:07:42.289 But that's the only one that's 03:07:42.289 --> 03:07:44.129 officially in the program of record. 03:07:44.129 --> 03:07:48.962 So it's this cycle that we just can't break, I don't know. 03:07:49.855 --> 03:07:50.925 - [Major Austin] I'm Major Don Austin 03:07:50.925 --> 03:07:53.598 the XO for 235 cacti, you're talking 03:07:53.598 --> 03:07:56.171 about motivational on how to hook soldiers 03:07:56.171 --> 03:07:59.925 and from my perspective I don't think it's so much 03:07:59.925 --> 03:08:03.488 the UI or how do we dazzle the soldiers 03:08:03.488 --> 03:08:05.821 to get them to do something. 03:08:07.013 --> 03:08:09.795 You know for myself, nothing motivates me more 03:08:09.795 --> 03:08:14.733 to work out more than to sign up for a specific race 03:08:14.733 --> 03:08:18.947 and then from that point on I have a goal 03:08:18.947 --> 03:08:23.530 and that motivates me to train for that daily or weekly 03:08:24.510 --> 03:08:25.926 or whatever the case is. 03:08:25.926 --> 03:08:30.570 And what I'm getting to is, is it tailorable to the 03:08:30.570 --> 03:08:33.737 objectives in a unit's training cycle? 03:08:35.937 --> 03:08:37.934 For example EID's coming up right now. 03:08:37.934 --> 03:08:41.782 Is the serigo APP tailorable specifically 03:08:41.782 --> 03:08:44.084 for soldiers going through EID. 03:08:44.084 --> 03:08:47.109 And then for our company Califax coming up in the future 03:08:47.109 --> 03:08:49.856 is it tailorable to where there's battle drills 03:08:49.856 --> 03:08:52.939 that's associated to company Califax, 03:08:54.563 --> 03:08:57.980 and then cause I think that will motivate 03:08:58.951 --> 03:09:02.245 both the leaders and the soldiers to get on those APPs 03:09:02.245 --> 03:09:05.245 or those games to get those results. 03:09:07.667 --> 03:09:12.539 If it's so general, I think that's where you lose interest. 03:09:12.539 --> 03:09:14.003 - Yeah I completely agree and I can't answer 03:09:14.003 --> 03:09:16.119 the serigo the tailorization to the serigo APP 03:09:16.119 --> 03:09:19.312 but I can speak to the tailorization of games and APPs 03:09:19.312 --> 03:09:20.631 in general nowadays 03:09:20.631 --> 03:09:23.096 it's a foregone conclusion that every game 03:09:23.096 --> 03:09:25.397 and certainly every game if not every APP 03:09:25.397 --> 03:09:27.106 is tailored to you in some way. 03:09:27.106 --> 03:09:28.799 Either because it's pulling data 03:09:28.799 --> 03:09:30.777 you used in the past with it 03:09:30.777 --> 03:09:32.927 or a similar app or your history 03:09:32.927 --> 03:09:34.526 on web browsers or whatever. 03:09:34.526 --> 03:09:35.654 And I think you hit a very key point 03:09:35.654 --> 03:09:37.963 that we need to ensure that we do 03:09:37.963 --> 03:09:39.957 that with anything that we build moving forward. 03:09:39.957 --> 03:09:43.125 Unfortunately it goes back to what do we allow to pull. 03:09:43.125 --> 03:09:46.457 Right we have to anonymize a lot of that data because it can 03:09:46.457 --> 03:09:48.848 be considered PII, so we have to find a way to obfuscate it 03:09:48.848 --> 03:09:52.788 so people don't think you're pulling individual records that 03:09:52.788 --> 03:09:55.020 can identify you in some way. 03:09:55.020 --> 03:09:59.198 But it's a very vaid point and maybe you can speak to serigo 03:09:59.198 --> 03:10:04.198 on whether it's tailored or personalized but it's awesome. 03:10:04.268 --> 03:10:05.992 - [Dan] The answer is yes. 03:10:05.992 --> 03:10:08.274 The question is do you have the people and the time 03:10:08.274 --> 03:10:10.701 to develop the content and then do you look far enough 03:10:10.701 --> 03:10:12.879 to tailor it to what you want? 03:10:12.879 --> 03:10:16.443 So possibilities are endless Don but it's just 03:10:16.443 --> 03:10:18.709 having the resources to get it done. 03:10:18.709 --> 03:10:21.171 So eventually what we thing is we're pushing the company, 03:10:21.171 --> 03:10:24.553 we want to create content on the fly. 03:10:24.553 --> 03:10:26.155 So if a sergeant says I need 03:10:26.155 --> 03:10:28.309 my guys need to learn this this week 03:10:28.309 --> 03:10:29.877 and preparation for training, 03:10:29.877 --> 03:10:31.891 then he can create content very quickly 03:10:31.891 --> 03:10:34.542 through wikipedia something and then parse out that data 03:10:34.542 --> 03:10:37.844 using technology to make content very quickly 03:10:37.844 --> 03:10:39.843 to remember things or whatever. 03:10:39.843 --> 03:10:42.004 But it's not easy let's put it that way. 03:10:42.004 --> 03:10:44.378 - [Ryan] Yeah there's a term in the industry called 03:10:44.378 --> 03:10:45.833 content is king, right? 03:10:45.833 --> 03:10:48.010 Because it's both the personalization 03:10:48.010 --> 03:10:49.776 of experience but it's also the content. 03:10:49.776 --> 03:10:51.123 You need to build it right? 03:10:51.123 --> 03:10:53.229 Whether it's the models, whether it's the story, 03:10:53.229 --> 03:10:55.315 whether it's the interaction, whether it's the UI. 03:10:55.315 --> 03:10:57.258 And so being able to build that so people wanna come back 03:10:57.258 --> 03:10:59.691 or people wanna go there in the 03:10:59.691 --> 03:11:01.599 first place is really important. 03:11:01.599 --> 03:11:03.521 I think we need to think about ways 03:11:03.521 --> 03:11:05.340 of institutionalizing the creative skillset. 03:11:05.340 --> 03:11:06.998 I mean General Brown talked about creativity 03:11:06.998 --> 03:11:08.972 and solving problems creatively. 03:11:08.972 --> 03:11:12.397 And right now we contract it out to a gaming studio 03:11:12.397 --> 03:11:15.156 or we contract it out to XYZ company 03:11:15.156 --> 03:11:17.022 and they build to the spec. 03:11:17.022 --> 03:11:20.280 And I think we need to find a way to not necessarily 03:11:20.280 --> 03:11:22.292 have that content built in house but at least 03:11:22.292 --> 03:11:24.043 designed and thought in house so that 03:11:24.043 --> 03:11:27.126 we can maximize that creative output. 03:11:31.181 --> 03:11:32.571 Thanks. 03:11:32.571 --> 03:11:34.012 - [Dan] Alright Ryan thank you so much. 03:11:34.012 --> 03:11:36.262 (clapping) 03:11:37.723 --> 03:11:40.472 Hey guys we're going we've gone over a little bit 15 minutes 03:11:40.472 --> 03:11:42.922 or so the forum man I appreciate you guys sticking around. 03:11:42.922 --> 03:11:44.868 I'm just gonna say this so what? 03:11:44.868 --> 03:11:47.963 I don't think this, I don't even wanna ask the question 03:11:47.963 --> 03:11:50.085 I hope that you take these questions with you 03:11:50.085 --> 03:11:52.972 and then start to build a community of practice 03:11:52.972 --> 03:11:55.036 within' your sphere of influence. 03:11:55.036 --> 03:11:57.203 Okay that's the hard part. 03:11:58.365 --> 03:12:00.236 I know I'm gonna let you make final thoughts 03:12:00.236 --> 03:12:02.001 and then the last thing I'm gonna do 03:12:02.001 --> 03:12:03.485 I'm gonna turn over to Colonel Ryan for final thoughts 03:12:03.485 --> 03:12:05.366 and I just I wanna recognize him again, 03:12:05.366 --> 03:12:07.849 I know you're tiger balming it out at bellows. 03:12:07.849 --> 03:12:10.494 And for a city brigade commander to come in here 03:12:10.494 --> 03:12:12.598 and spend three hours for hey Rob I appreciate 03:12:12.598 --> 03:12:14.950 the investment you made in us so thank you very much, 03:12:14.950 --> 03:12:16.580 And last thing I'll say before I turn 03:12:16.580 --> 03:12:19.185 it over to Colonel Ryan, if you wanna know more 03:12:19.185 --> 03:12:21.061 if you heard something that interests you 03:12:21.061 --> 03:12:23.173 I've got cards for the Green Book 03:12:23.173 --> 03:12:25.617 I'm a good central point of contact for everybody 03:12:25.617 --> 03:12:28.715 but this is all the people that talked today. 03:12:28.715 --> 03:12:30.925 And then I also wanna put a plug in right here 03:12:30.925 --> 03:12:32.870 for Captain Zeliah and the Defense 03:12:32.870 --> 03:12:34.943 Entrepreneurs Forum Pacific, that is 03:12:34.943 --> 03:12:38.189 it is a virtuous insurgency of young innovators 03:12:38.189 --> 03:12:40.232 who are trying to change the Army 03:12:40.232 --> 03:12:41.811 or the military in general. 03:12:41.811 --> 03:12:44.133 And civilian government. 03:12:44.133 --> 03:12:47.484 It's just a great group, they have an active GORE 03:12:47.484 --> 03:12:49.754 I don't even know what it stands for, 03:12:49.754 --> 03:12:52.087 it's some fancy greek term, it's a drinking circle basically 03:12:52.087 --> 03:12:54.571 they have meetings all the time and they get together 03:12:54.571 --> 03:12:56.246 and they're trying to figure out how to innovate 03:12:56.246 --> 03:12:58.373 so I put their contact information, I would encourage you 03:12:58.373 --> 03:13:00.223 to get your young leaders involved in that as well. 03:13:00.223 --> 03:13:03.723 Okay and with that Rob any final comments? 03:13:05.973 --> 03:13:08.526 - [Rob] Quickly so we're 03:13:08.526 --> 03:13:13.526 - If we can develop and empower the leaders at a lower level 03:13:13.644 --> 03:13:17.472 because I think a lot of times we get like E5 level leaders 03:13:17.472 --> 03:13:20.568 that because it's their first experience with leadership 03:13:20.568 --> 03:13:23.141 that they maybe don't know how to 03:13:23.141 --> 03:13:26.833 you know how to work that muscle so to speak. 03:13:26.833 --> 03:13:29.620 So if we can get something but is also interesting 03:13:29.620 --> 03:13:32.946 because I think one of the biggest things 03:13:32.946 --> 03:13:35.361 one of the biggest issues we have when we develop things 03:13:35.361 --> 03:13:39.091 or the Army at large when we have a tendency to develop 03:13:39.091 --> 03:13:41.676 things is great we have an APP, 03:13:41.676 --> 03:13:46.676 but it's boring or this is not, the UI is not user friendly. 03:13:50.325 --> 03:13:52.168 - [Ryan] Yeah and its not because 03:13:52.168 --> 03:13:56.073 it was designed poorly usually, right? 03:13:56.073 --> 03:13:59.281 It was usually a result of some policy or guidance 03:13:59.281 --> 03:14:02.715 that says it needs to work on Internet Explorer version 3 03:14:02.715 --> 03:14:05.147 from 2003 on your Windows XP machine 03:14:05.147 --> 03:14:07.071 with your cack card right? 03:14:07.071 --> 03:14:09.966 So in order to get it to work there you have to basically 03:14:09.966 --> 03:14:12.418 down-res all your video and create a crappy UI. 03:14:12.418 --> 03:14:14.540 And by the time all that's been done 03:14:14.540 --> 03:14:16.592 it's a very unfulfilling experience. 03:14:16.592 --> 03:14:19.419 And that's why it kind of reverts back to the policy issue 03:14:19.419 --> 03:14:21.542 right of how do you, how can you build 03:14:21.542 --> 03:14:25.408 something that you can, and really this is what things 03:14:25.408 --> 03:14:27.746 like the OTA like the cross functional teams are trying 03:14:27.746 --> 03:14:29.984 to do right, they're trying to fast track acquisition 03:14:29.984 --> 03:14:31.888 to say no we're not going to go through the 03:14:31.888 --> 03:14:33.906 traditional requirements process and bid process. 03:14:33.906 --> 03:14:35.849 We're gonna try to get capability out the force quickly. 03:14:35.849 --> 03:14:38.329 And hopefully future's command will 03:14:38.329 --> 03:14:39.967 help us with some of this. 03:14:39.967 --> 03:14:42.451 I know we've talked to General, well then it was General 03:14:42.451 --> 03:14:44.756 Cardone now I guess it's General I forgot whose taking over, 03:14:44.756 --> 03:14:48.248 but you know the idea of using personal devices, right? 03:14:48.248 --> 03:14:50.463 So you don't have cack cards on your PD's but there's 03:14:50.463 --> 03:14:52.371 no reason you can't use them. 03:14:52.371 --> 03:14:54.437 Everyone is pretty much base lined right now 03:14:54.437 --> 03:14:57.603 and there's no reason that those devices can't be 03:14:57.603 --> 03:14:59.406 used to deliver content. 03:14:59.406 --> 03:15:02.026 Yeah your point's well taken, I don't have a good answer 03:15:02.026 --> 03:15:05.845 cause we're fighting again it's not a technical hurdle 03:15:05.845 --> 03:15:07.630 it's more of a procedural hurdle. 03:15:07.630 --> 03:15:10.454 - [Man] And staying with it I guess one of the other issues 03:15:10.454 --> 03:15:13.062 is you know four, six, eight years from now 03:15:13.062 --> 03:15:15.316 when we developed a good program, 03:15:15.316 --> 03:15:18.481 maintaining that program as doctrine, 03:15:18.481 --> 03:15:22.148 not doctrine but as such as congress changes 03:15:23.219 --> 03:15:25.519 and funding abilities change, 03:15:25.519 --> 03:15:27.694 to be able to maintain it on you know 03:15:27.694 --> 03:15:30.590 cause we're only like trying to run 03:15:30.590 --> 03:15:32.593 a Windows 95 system on a Windows 2004. 03:15:32.593 --> 03:15:34.749 - [Ryan] Yeah I mean so programs of record great example. 03:15:34.749 --> 03:15:37.614 Right if you, we built the new Supervisor Development Course 03:15:37.614 --> 03:15:39.699 and it's part of a program of record. 03:15:39.699 --> 03:15:42.527 That's now in the palm for the next three to five years. 03:15:42.527 --> 03:15:45.028 Well that technology is going to move much quicker 03:15:45.028 --> 03:15:47.189 than the program of record will. 03:15:47.189 --> 03:15:49.508 So what happens when the course needs to be redeveloped 03:15:49.508 --> 03:15:51.948 in a year and a half and those web services 03:15:51.948 --> 03:15:53.487 are no longer available? 03:15:53.487 --> 03:15:55.524 Like there's no good plan and I think we just 03:15:55.524 --> 03:15:57.839 have to figure out and we need the 03:15:57.839 --> 03:16:00.701 junior leaders that are coming up to make noise to say 03:16:00.701 --> 03:16:03.168 I don't want it just working on my nipper machine 03:16:03.168 --> 03:16:05.057 that's not an acceptable answer. 03:16:05.057 --> 03:16:07.071 Because if it's just gonna work on your nipper machine 03:16:07.071 --> 03:16:09.230 you're pretty much gonna limit your opportune. 03:16:09.230 --> 03:16:12.010 Nobody's gonna use it, I don't care how. 03:16:12.010 --> 03:16:14.778 - [Dan] I just wanna put in a plug too for the Green Book 03:16:14.778 --> 03:16:16.808 and it's 25th infantry division program 03:16:16.808 --> 03:16:19.490 or it's a user program project and if you guys 03:16:19.490 --> 03:16:22.838 want to give us people that are interested 03:16:22.838 --> 03:16:25.343 in this kind of thing the more the merrier. 03:16:25.343 --> 03:16:27.555 Because what I'll see is like the APPS with the boring UI's, 03:16:27.555 --> 03:16:29.286 I'll use the performance triad APP for my favorite target. 03:16:29.286 --> 03:16:32.556 You open that thing up and it's simply a series 03:16:32.556 --> 03:16:35.203 of web links that take you to Army websites. 03:16:35.203 --> 03:16:37.863 It's like where is the creativity, 03:16:37.863 --> 03:16:39.969 where is the intuitive, exactly. 03:16:39.969 --> 03:16:43.557 And I think that as mostly because General Brown says, 03:16:43.557 --> 03:16:46.433 the innovation happens at the cutting edge. 03:16:46.433 --> 03:16:49.130 Instead what we normally get are these 03:16:49.130 --> 03:16:51.066 handed from top down that are then 03:16:51.066 --> 03:16:52.727 rocks in your rucksack that you don't want to carry. 03:16:52.727 --> 03:16:55.090 So what I'm trying to do and what we're trying to do 03:16:55.090 --> 03:16:57.144 with Soldiers Green Book is develop these things 03:16:57.144 --> 03:17:01.063 from the ground level up shoulder to shoulder with you guys 03:17:01.063 --> 03:17:02.518 so that we get better for you right now 03:17:02.518 --> 03:17:04.518 so I welcome that, okay? 03:17:11.279 --> 03:17:12.724 - [Man] And I know Colonel Jordan's gonna fix this 03:17:12.724 --> 03:17:14.720 when he gets up to future's command 03:17:14.720 --> 03:17:16.613 because this will be, 03:17:16.613 --> 03:17:17.798 here's the challenge we got. 03:17:17.798 --> 03:17:19.617 And this is on the infantry's side and everything else. 03:17:19.617 --> 03:17:22.766 The contractors that make this stuff for you. 03:17:22.766 --> 03:17:25.106 They make what's in the engineering spec sheet. 03:17:25.106 --> 03:17:27.333 The first time it touches a soldier 03:17:27.333 --> 03:17:30.576 is when field it and you bought it. 03:17:30.576 --> 03:17:32.039 And that's the unfortunate part. 03:17:32.039 --> 03:17:33.867 There's things called human systems engineering 03:17:33.867 --> 03:17:36.174 and human cystric design and there's also things called, 03:17:36.174 --> 03:17:38.352 I'm telling you all the problems 03:17:38.352 --> 03:17:39.734 of why you don't see what you see. 03:17:39.734 --> 03:17:41.807 You know for those that don't know, 03:17:41.807 --> 03:17:43.948 it's lowest price technically acceptable okay? 03:17:43.948 --> 03:17:46.479 That doesn't have innovation in it. 03:17:46.479 --> 03:17:48.499 That doesn't have anything that you want. 03:17:48.499 --> 03:17:50.319 It doesn't have human centered design. 03:17:50.319 --> 03:17:52.134 You're getting what the contractor wrote, 03:17:52.134 --> 03:17:54.400 so there's challenges in the system the future's command 03:17:54.400 --> 03:17:57.445 is actually been stood up to attack those 03:17:57.445 --> 03:18:00.307 but there's this thing called congress and acquisition law 03:18:00.307 --> 03:18:02.951 and cyber law believe me I've been 03:18:02.951 --> 03:18:04.594 fighting all of these for years. 03:18:04.594 --> 03:18:07.289 There's two years to get a new 03:18:07.289 --> 03:18:09.357 cyber security on a new system. 03:18:09.357 --> 03:18:10.654 So if I wanna put an app on a phone 03:18:10.654 --> 03:18:12.526 that's used on the system, to get through 03:18:12.526 --> 03:18:14.546 the cyber security is two years. 03:18:14.546 --> 03:18:16.453 You know how often that technology changes? 03:18:16.453 --> 03:18:17.826 Every six months, okay? 03:18:17.826 --> 03:18:20.843 This is the challenge and this isn't the people 03:18:20.843 --> 03:18:22.965 aren't trying to get you the right stuff, 03:18:22.965 --> 03:18:24.843 there's just a challenge to it. 03:18:24.843 --> 03:18:26.855 But you need to keep complaining. 03:18:26.855 --> 03:18:29.160 You need to say this is what I need to train my soldiers. 03:18:29.160 --> 03:18:31.443 This is what I need to develop the capability. 03:18:31.443 --> 03:18:34.597 Because to be honest they listen to the end users. 03:18:34.597 --> 03:18:37.529 If end users, part of the reason you don't know it exists. 03:18:37.529 --> 03:18:40.352 And second of all you gotta ask for it 03:18:40.352 --> 03:18:42.486 so they can then do that and again 03:18:42.486 --> 03:18:44.342 you'll have that challenge up there 03:18:44.342 --> 03:18:47.177 and believe me you know I failed in a lot of those 03:18:47.177 --> 03:18:48.809 I'm just telling you up front 03:18:48.809 --> 03:18:50.373 one of the reasons I have the passion now 03:18:50.373 --> 03:18:51.924 is I know what you could have 03:18:51.924 --> 03:18:53.522 and what we haven't been able to get you. 03:18:53.522 --> 03:18:56.491 So sorry for that's not a happy ending. 03:18:56.491 --> 03:18:59.043 - [Ryan] I mean it's unrelated to games and apps, 03:18:59.043 --> 03:19:01.267 but last year we were out here with Colonel Ryan 03:19:01.267 --> 03:19:03.298 and third brigade doin UAS work right? 03:19:03.298 --> 03:19:07.025 And we flew the CDS Mount area did the reconstruction 03:19:07.025 --> 03:19:09.724 said okay let's try to instrument this capability. 03:19:09.724 --> 03:19:13.462 Then the ban came out where you can't fly the UAS's. 03:19:13.462 --> 03:19:16.945 You had already bought them so they're sitting in a box. 03:19:16.945 --> 03:19:18.646 They can't be used. 03:19:18.646 --> 03:19:20.630 And by the time you get the permission 03:19:20.630 --> 03:19:22.982 and you wanna buy more the only place to buy them 03:19:22.982 --> 03:19:24.819 are going to be on Ebay used because 03:19:24.819 --> 03:19:26.298 they moved onto the next production model. 03:19:26.298 --> 03:19:28.059 But that's the only one that's officially in the program 03:19:28.059 --> 03:19:30.526 of record so it's this cycle 03:19:30.526 --> 03:19:33.330 that we just can't break, I don't know. 03:19:33.330 --> 03:19:37.012 - [Major] Yeah Dunkin Austin the XO for 235 Cacti. 03:19:37.012 --> 03:19:41.556 You're talking about motivation on how to hook soldiers. 03:19:41.556 --> 03:19:44.991 And from my perspective I don't think it's so much 03:19:44.991 --> 03:19:48.241 the UI or how do we dazzle the soldiers 03:19:49.348 --> 03:19:51.083 to get them to do something. 03:19:51.083 --> 03:19:54.023 You know for myself, nothing motivates me more 03:19:54.023 --> 03:19:58.894 to work out more than to sign up for a specific race. 03:19:58.894 --> 03:20:01.954 And then from that point on and I have a goal, 03:20:01.954 --> 03:20:04.688 and that motivates me to you know 03:20:04.688 --> 03:20:09.172 to train for that daily or weekly or whatever the case is. 03:20:09.172 --> 03:20:10.644 And what I'm getting to is, 03:20:10.644 --> 03:20:13.477 is it tailor-able to the objective 03:20:17.057 --> 03:20:20.513 in a units training cycle, so for example 03:20:20.513 --> 03:20:22.377 EIB's coming up right now. 03:20:22.377 --> 03:20:26.535 Is the serigo App tailor-able specifically 03:20:26.535 --> 03:20:29.435 for soldiers going through EIB and then 03:20:29.435 --> 03:20:32.313 for our company califax coming up in the future 03:20:32.313 --> 03:20:35.714 you know is it tailor-able to where you know 03:20:35.714 --> 03:20:38.971 there's battle drills that's associated to company califax 03:20:38.971 --> 03:20:42.805 and then cause I think that will motivate 03:20:42.805 --> 03:20:46.243 both the leaders and the soldiers 03:20:46.243 --> 03:20:51.243 to get on those apps or those games to get those results. 03:20:51.294 --> 03:20:53.654 But if it's so general I think 03:20:53.654 --> 03:20:56.028 that's where you lose interest. 03:20:56.028 --> 03:20:58.616 - Yeah so I completely agree and I can't answer this serigo, 03:20:58.616 --> 03:21:00.473 the tailorization of the serigo APP 03:21:00.473 --> 03:21:02.347 but I can speak to the tailorization 03:21:02.347 --> 03:21:04.470 of games and apps in general nowadays. 03:21:04.470 --> 03:21:07.181 It's a foregone conclusion that every game 03:21:07.181 --> 03:21:09.489 and certainly every game if not every app 03:21:09.489 --> 03:21:11.559 is tailored to you in some way. 03:21:11.559 --> 03:21:14.778 Either because its pulling data that you've used in the past 03:21:14.778 --> 03:21:16.504 with it or a similar app, 03:21:16.504 --> 03:21:18.413 or your history on web browsers or whatever. 03:21:18.413 --> 03:21:20.305 And I think you hit a very key point 03:21:20.305 --> 03:21:22.627 that we need to ensure that we do that 03:21:22.627 --> 03:21:24.367 with anything we build moving forward. 03:21:24.367 --> 03:21:27.285 Unfortunately it goes back to what do we allow to pull? 03:21:27.285 --> 03:21:29.751 We have to anonymize a lot of that data 03:21:29.751 --> 03:21:31.618 because it can be considered PII 03:21:31.618 --> 03:21:34.190 so we have to find a way to obfuscate it 03:21:34.190 --> 03:21:36.391 so people don't think you're you know 03:21:36.391 --> 03:21:38.034 pulling individual records that 03:21:38.034 --> 03:21:39.813 can identify you in some way. 03:21:39.813 --> 03:21:41.553 But it's a very valid point and I don't know 03:21:41.553 --> 03:21:43.626 maybe you can speak to cerigo 03:21:43.626 --> 03:21:46.023 and whether it's tailored or personalized, 03:21:46.023 --> 03:21:48.356 but it's an awesome concept. 03:21:49.227 --> 03:21:50.682 - [Dan] The answer is yes. 03:21:50.682 --> 03:21:52.732 The question is do you have the people and the time 03:21:52.732 --> 03:21:54.841 to develop the content and do you look 03:21:54.841 --> 03:21:56.598 far enough to tailor it to what you want. 03:21:56.598 --> 03:22:00.184 So the possibilities are endless Don 03:22:00.184 --> 03:22:02.916 but it's just having the resources to get it done. 03:22:02.916 --> 03:22:04.779 So eventually what we think is, 03:22:04.779 --> 03:22:06.983 we're pushing the company we wanna 03:22:06.983 --> 03:22:08.786 create content on the fly. 03:22:08.786 --> 03:22:10.474 So if a sergeant says I need 03:22:10.474 --> 03:22:12.743 my guys need to learn this this week 03:22:12.743 --> 03:22:14.903 in preparation for training then he could create content 03:22:14.903 --> 03:22:18.451 very quickly through wikipedia something and then parse out 03:22:18.451 --> 03:22:21.630 that data using technology to make content 03:22:21.630 --> 03:22:24.370 very quickly to remember things or whatever. 03:22:24.370 --> 03:22:26.780 But it's not easy let's put it that way. 03:22:26.780 --> 03:22:28.461 - [Ryan] Yeah there's a term in the industry 03:22:28.461 --> 03:22:30.022 called content is king, right? 03:22:30.022 --> 03:22:32.619 Because it's both personalization of the experience, 03:22:32.619 --> 03:22:34.257 but it's also the content. 03:22:34.257 --> 03:22:35.259 You need to build it, right? 03:22:35.259 --> 03:22:37.585 Whether it's the models, whether it's the story, 03:22:37.585 --> 03:22:40.117 whether it's the interaction, whether it's the UI. 03:22:40.117 --> 03:22:42.568 And so being able to build that so people wanna come back 03:22:42.568 --> 03:22:44.209 or people wanna go there in the 03:22:44.209 --> 03:22:46.138 first place is really important. 03:22:46.138 --> 03:22:48.000 I mean I think we need to think about ways 03:22:48.000 --> 03:22:49.656 of institutionalizing the creative skillset. 03:22:49.656 --> 03:22:51.315 I mean General Brown talked about creativity 03:22:51.315 --> 03:22:54.028 and solving problems creatively. 03:22:54.028 --> 03:22:56.532 And right now we contract it out to a game studio, 03:22:56.532 --> 03:22:59.581 or we contract it out to XYZ company 03:22:59.581 --> 03:23:01.391 and they build to the spec. 03:23:01.391 --> 03:23:02.833 And I think we need a way to find, 03:23:02.833 --> 03:23:06.143 not necessarily have that content built in house, 03:23:06.143 --> 03:23:08.388 but at least designed and thought in house 03:23:08.388 --> 03:23:11.721 so we can maximize that creative output. 03:23:14.931 --> 03:23:16.529 Thanks. 03:23:16.529 --> 03:23:18.270 - [Dan] Alright Ryan thank you so much. 03:23:18.270 --> 03:23:20.520 (clapping) 03:23:22.374 --> 03:23:24.246 Hey guys we're going we've gone over a little bit 03:23:24.246 --> 03:23:25.415 15 minutes or so of the forum. 03:23:25.415 --> 03:23:27.163 Man I appreciate you guys sticking around. 03:23:27.163 --> 03:23:29.202 I'm just gonna say the so what? 03:23:29.202 --> 03:23:32.591 I don't think this, I don't even wanna ask the question. 03:23:32.591 --> 03:23:34.377 And I hope you guys take these questions with you 03:23:34.377 --> 03:23:37.204 and start to build a community of practice 03:23:37.204 --> 03:23:39.204 within' your own sphere of influence. 03:23:39.204 --> 03:23:41.371 Okay that's the hard part. 03:23:42.585 --> 03:23:44.495 I know I'm gonna let you make final thoughts 03:23:44.495 --> 03:23:46.469 and then the last thing I'm gonna do I'm gonna turn over 03:23:46.469 --> 03:23:48.075 to Colonel Ryan for final thoughts 03:23:48.075 --> 03:23:49.695 and I just wanna recognize him again. 03:23:49.695 --> 03:23:51.874 I know you're tiger balming it out at bellows. 03:23:51.874 --> 03:23:55.077 And for a city brigade commander to come in here 03:23:55.077 --> 03:23:57.282 and spend 3 hours Rob I appreciate the investment 03:23:57.282 --> 03:23:58.998 you made in us so thank you very much. 03:23:58.998 --> 03:24:00.652 And last thing I'll say before 03:24:00.652 --> 03:24:03.351 I turn it over to Colonel Ryan, if you wanna know more, 03:24:03.351 --> 03:24:05.080 if you heard something that interests you. 03:24:05.080 --> 03:24:07.683 I've got cards up here for the Green Book, 03:24:07.683 --> 03:24:09.900 I'm a good central point of contact for everybody, 03:24:09.900 --> 03:24:13.016 but this is all the people that have talked today. 03:24:13.016 --> 03:24:14.983 And then I also wanna put a plug in right here 03:24:14.983 --> 03:24:17.124 for Captain Zaliah and the Defense 03:24:17.124 --> 03:24:19.279 Entrepreneurs Forum Pacific, that is a virtuous insurgency 03:24:19.279 --> 03:24:22.752 of young innovators who are trying 03:24:22.752 --> 03:24:25.579 to change the Army or the military in general. 03:24:25.579 --> 03:24:30.239 And civilian government it's just a great group. 03:24:30.239 --> 03:24:33.498 They have and active GORE I don't even know 03:24:33.498 --> 03:24:35.409 what it stands for it's some fancy greek term. 03:24:35.409 --> 03:24:36.916 It's a drinking circle basically 03:24:36.916 --> 03:24:39.187 they have meeting all the time and they get together 03:24:39.187 --> 03:24:41.180 and they're trying to figure out how to innovate. 03:24:41.180 --> 03:24:42.995 So I put their contact information I would encourage you 03:24:42.995 --> 03:24:45.085 to get your young leaders involved in that as well. 03:24:45.085 --> 03:24:48.668 Okay and with that, Rob any final comments? 03:24:51.230 --> 03:24:53.230 - [Rob] Quickly so we'll finish this up real quick. 03:24:53.230 --> 03:24:57.045 We keep throwing around adaptive and agile leaders. 03:24:57.045 --> 03:24:59.616 You go back and you look at your schedule 03:24:59.616 --> 03:25:01.346 and do you have time to do that? 03:25:01.346 --> 03:25:02.949 Or are you just being reactive? 03:25:02.949 --> 03:25:04.679 Couple things we gotta do, he's provide the time to think, 03:25:04.679 --> 03:25:07.283 we gotta provide the time to do and then 03:25:07.283 --> 03:25:09.336 we've gotta provide the time to relearn. 03:25:09.336 --> 03:25:11.170 And that's something that I think some 03:25:11.170 --> 03:25:12.956 of the younger leaders that left 03:25:12.956 --> 03:25:14.825 got after us going hey how are we doing that? 03:25:14.825 --> 03:25:16.517 The second part I do is everybody 03:25:16.517 --> 03:25:19.310 I keep hearing creative thinking and I tell Dan all the time 03:25:19.310 --> 03:25:21.233 you can't creatively think until you creatively question. 03:25:21.233 --> 03:25:23.264 And it starts with that question piece. 03:25:23.264 --> 03:25:25.693 And then you gotta go back and go what do you have 03:25:25.693 --> 03:25:27.457 as far as creative intelligence? 03:25:27.457 --> 03:25:29.244 There are people like Ryan and others 03:25:29.244 --> 03:25:31.186 who have a creative intelligence beyond what I will have. 03:25:31.186 --> 03:25:32.713 I have a creative user-ability. 03:25:32.713 --> 03:25:34.627 Hey man this is what I think and what I wanna get after 03:25:34.627 --> 03:25:36.925 based on our profession. 03:25:36.925 --> 03:25:38.391 There are no right answers. 03:25:38.391 --> 03:25:41.336 The ability here is I say this all the time 03:25:41.336 --> 03:25:43.496 in 1976 the standard qual was 40 rounds 03:25:43.496 --> 03:25:46.301 on a pop up target out to 300 meters. 03:25:46.301 --> 03:25:48.357 It's 2018 and that's still the standard. 03:25:48.357 --> 03:25:50.010 It's gonna change this year finally. 03:25:50.010 --> 03:25:52.225 But even with night optics, night everything 03:25:52.225 --> 03:25:53.987 we're still doing the same stuff. 03:25:53.987 --> 03:25:56.221 We've gotta get off this continuous if you will 03:25:56.221 --> 03:25:58.598 hamster wheel and get after things differently. 03:25:58.598 --> 03:26:01.201 You gotta be willing to assume risks. 03:26:01.201 --> 03:26:03.830 At the Captain level that your commanders allow you to do. 03:26:03.830 --> 03:26:05.974 At the Battalion commander level 03:26:05.974 --> 03:26:08.169 and our level to go yeah I'm willing to take this. 03:26:08.169 --> 03:26:12.836 And allow that trust, let that cohesiveness to permeate. 03:26:13.728 --> 03:26:16.010 Because then you'll get additional creative thinking. 03:26:16.010 --> 03:26:17.667 Because if you think it's gonna 03:26:17.667 --> 03:26:19.227 bottom up all the time it will. 03:26:19.227 --> 03:26:20.922 It's gotta start from the top it's gotta meet in the middle 03:26:20.922 --> 03:26:22.862 then we come back to industry and we go 03:26:22.862 --> 03:26:24.628 this is what we need from you. 03:26:24.628 --> 03:26:26.608 Cause we were just talking over there about 03:26:26.608 --> 03:26:29.289 hey what if we had an app that just had puzzles on it 03:26:29.289 --> 03:26:30.364 and the puzzles were building the 03:26:30.364 --> 03:26:32.202 249 while you're on staff duty. 03:26:32.202 --> 03:26:33.942 Or putting the M2 into action. 03:26:33.942 --> 03:26:35.277 We're doing something like that, 03:26:35.277 --> 03:26:37.455 that's simplistic and easy to do it could be done in a week. 03:26:37.455 --> 03:26:38.912 But if we had that, that's something 03:26:38.912 --> 03:26:40.906 that would build muscle memory. 03:26:40.906 --> 03:26:42.227 Yes and vehicle ID there's things that we can do 03:26:42.227 --> 03:26:44.786 that are simple that we gotta go back and pull out. 03:26:44.786 --> 03:26:47.736 We owe you some feedback, we do a poor job of communicating 03:26:47.736 --> 03:26:50.856 to the civilian enterprise sometimes to give our ideas. 03:26:50.856 --> 03:26:53.605 Because they get nested and lost in the echelons. 03:26:53.605 --> 03:26:55.853 So I appreciate the time Dan you put this on 03:26:55.853 --> 03:26:58.298 for guys hanging out in the panel thank you very much. 03:26:58.298 --> 03:27:00.548 (clapping) 03:27:03.216 --> 03:27:05.491 - [Pete] If you don't know, the Army has UARCs, 03:27:05.491 --> 03:27:07.201 University Associated Research Centers, 03:27:07.201 --> 03:27:09.251 ICT is one of those okay, 03:27:09.251 --> 03:27:12.345 and by the way lawyers get sensitive if you go talk 03:27:12.345 --> 03:27:14.326 to the industry guys cause you know 03:27:14.326 --> 03:27:16.111 they just froggy on that, 03:27:16.111 --> 03:27:19.399 but you have UARC's that are part of the government systems 03:27:19.399 --> 03:27:21.883 that are government funded to do those kind of programs. 03:27:21.883 --> 03:27:25.737 ICT is one of those, so just understand 03:27:25.737 --> 03:27:28.203 you've got other resources that are flexible 03:27:28.203 --> 03:27:30.486 and you can reach out to em right now that's 03:27:30.486 --> 03:27:32.991 got amazing sites and they can show you that stuff. 03:27:32.991 --> 03:27:35.325 I'm not trying to sell you there Randy but I like it. 03:27:35.325 --> 03:27:38.997 - Hey thanks so much guys I appreciate you all coming 03:27:38.997 --> 03:27:41.194 today I hope this was helpful I hope it was useful. 03:27:41.194 --> 03:27:43.497 We'll stick around you've got other things, 03:27:43.497 --> 03:27:45.465 I've got cards if you'd like to discuss anything after 03:27:45.465 --> 03:27:47.422 we'll be more than happy to stick around 03:27:47.422 --> 03:27:49.045 or continue this somewhere else 03:27:49.045 --> 03:27:50.822 so thank you very much to all of our thought provokers 03:27:50.822 --> 03:27:52.767 thank you for all the work you put into that as well. 03:27:52.767 --> 03:27:53.600 Thank you. 03:27:55.357 --> 03:27:57.607 (clapping)