Okay as um buttery commission's press conference for february
2000 and sixteen.
I first like to ask ever want to take off your badges and keep
them out of you of of the cameras the you will be taking pictures.
Today we'll first your for the prosecution than the than the
defense and then victim family members.
I would like to asset participant start up with their first and
last name their position and a few brief opening remarks following
your of action will open the floor to questions but that all
turned over to the chief. Prosecutor.
Okay morecombe's on the chief prosecutor of military commissions.
If members of the media of who'd been here before I wear that.
Uh after completing. My duties of answered questions of the a
close of a.
Couple weeks a sessions.
I always close by thanking the soldiers sailors airmen marines
coast guardsmen.
Of a joy test forced guantanamo naval station. Guantanamo bay enjoyed.
They say andrews this week um and I begin.
A by doing so.
Troops a your.
Sacrifice is mostly an song.
Uh and those sacrifices here families are deeply appreciated.
And these military justice proceedings would not be possible
without your strength and year.
Dignity and your discipline an your professionalism.
Thank you also.
For the warm reception that you always get is the survivors and
the family members.
Of will fall and of september eleventh.
It's a every time you do it. It's individual wise do. It's a
it's warm.
Uh it's a bear hug from america's armed forces to these chairs
us citizens.
Uh I know they appreciate it.
Uh the use of these are citizens of that you sworn to defend.
In fact I'm most of you now a have raise your right hands a sworn
to defend the constitution since september eleventh and among
the most important reasons you site.
For having done. So winning listing use that to defend our citizens
citizens such as timothy stout.
He was and Alice.
I'm doing Cantor fitzgerald on the hundred and 34 of the world
trade center.
A paid the Gotten the job with Cantor in 2000 and in order to be.
A closer to you and spend more time with is three children.
Um he would.
A denim before dawn.
Kisses sleeping weiss. Um peak. It is kids before they got up.
Uh and then it when he was a work in Manhattan all date would
think about a return to them.
And just so happened that on wanting a september eleventh his
beloved wife was a wake up when they have their party kiss.
I know the Georgian style.
His brother.
Um and it's got Duncan his brother in Wall.
Appreciate all that you do big and small things that you do for
them and for other citizens.
Uh the last couple weeks we've had pre trial proceedings in the
case of United States versus colin shaikh mohammad.
Call up in a top transiting all she ebla ali abdul is easily
and stop all the salad.
Uh all the accused are presumed innocent under a lot unless and
until proven guilty.
Of what I go ahead and take some questions at this. Point.
I have.
This is john paul can't go back in little. Yeah before why.
Different. Pop back last year.
Alright. A week I did I saw the so document a as we're leaving
on the dust but the but he's he's received argument and that
this was a in the nature of a supplement so we'll see if he completed.
Uh the reception of our demands. He took evidence of this was
more than it was over the last couple weeks. It was four hours
of testimony total amount. He's taken is ethical routine hours testimony.
I'm from witnesses and the obviously a lot of island.
Yeah. The what it is up to what I mean the the of the judges
seem to believe he that her.
A argument and was ready to receive the and for consumer.
Well I can tell.
The. Nsa.
To the last thing with the reason that.
It was this week for all melts all only got one that then there
that there's some tweaks for and the conditions you can supply
the ones that.
Yeah I can't I mean I like that the ice of I'm aware of the went
which indie release related to.
A additional um and in consideration of additional of provisions
and so forth but a those are not something I can speak to.
I'm katie.
To the To provide full boil.
If the The ship and uh you know in a for them.
The current roster of my my.
Jiang at your from to the notice. I gave it the ended today.
Yes I mean we your eye it we have been able to courtney provision
of those documents in there and redacted form to to judge but
that will be part of our request for substitutions and other
relief so it's the same process build build build the seeing
them along the Uh the documents for which will be requesting. Substitutions.
The here for women. So that was handing the data.
The Thing I move forward with their brought back and You know TV.
For more right than you were gonna roll and roll. Back.
We're doing a lot useful work it as it is something going through
the documents and identifying a material that is material to
the preparation the the fence which is the for standard.
So uh no we have plenty of funny work to do and the regardless
of how the judd rules. We have asked for a.
A framework ruling. I'm in the poems of the three 90 seven.
Uh that would assessed and I think would um help focus the issues
which is how.
Of the you uh the ruling of its.
How we've sought to.
Gain a ruling from so we've least we want him to help focus the
The specific areas of relevance.
And a use that 10 category framework that we believe that's.
Was helpful in in the identified.
The material and related to the new dude in individual accused PS.
Um experiences in the already a. Permit.
Looted due to cushion them from.
Time. He is doing the whole time.
Three down.
The My Oh is.
The failure of the and in the argument that you that.
Or or changing your position the one of my whole.
Not a change in the position this this is the judge in general
we err on the side showing the judge more um. We're gonna be
showing him.
The documents that contain information for which will we will
be requesting. Substitutions.
Has to the original. So we're a provide the information to the phone.
So torin sick to provide.
We wanna provide all the discovery were required to provide.
The judge in this. Process.
Understands the defense theories because they can brief him next
party um and we want.
In we what that process to work so.
That's the nature which will provide it.
So in the situation.
The For for a and you recall a.
The original.
One of the Bowl will will we will provide these source material.
And then we'll provide under the the process in.
Uh it's 10 us see nine 49 P foreign section four of our statute
just as it is pi for just as it is section four of the classified
information procedures act.
That's the discovery section.
And that's the process will use in it it States that if the unofficial.
Of authorized official United States.
Declares. The damage to national security the results if the
original documents.
Were to be disclosed.
In a concern fashion.
If that happens then.
Um the military judge.. Shall.
Shall. Authorize the United States to substitute be.
A another form that puts the defense in substantially the same
position and that can be in the form of a summary.
Um the redacted version it to be in the form of of of the ignition.
Of relevant facts.
And he mate he cannot order of the disclosure under the law.
A two to the defense.
But unless he finds that it is non cumulative relevant and helpful.
And that that maybe in where are some of the dispute was this
week that isn't and she will that of.
Um. Determination that's made by the judge if she's gonna over calm.
The government's proper exercise of privilege.
That does not mean that the prosecution every day in every system
in her that is in having been a kin-love witness to terminations.
We continue to have that.
And And without making reference to expand syrup for we're not
sparing any of that we're doing our duty under the Wall at this
is not what I am.
A referring to what I say if cannot be the case. That the judge
sees everything to.
That's that's not how the system works the prosecution has obligations.
Psalm obligations ones that could lead to reverse forever.
If we don't do the right.
Um but we're the ones who after gotta do when the david and finding
the stuff and we present.
Material would be gives material to that offense directly most
of it.
It's the material for which we have invoked.
Placid information privilege.
That we even show the original innocents to to the joke.
Awesome. You guys a than actually pretty studious about this
year for the denis them. Once prized pfizer michael using over
on the details of discovered are you.
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The Yeah I mean I.
Think we need you know should talk to you know mister canal about
what he's looking for but but be there there are times when.
Information includes distribution.
And if the information is material to the preparation of the fans.
And it is non should liberal than helpful when that's information
we got a provide so.
Um. But not every chain of distribution.
Israel material to the preparation for the fans and this is one
of the reasons we seek to get the judges.
Um. Do all on.
Discovery and on the framework of discovery within this area.
Um what issue ski has determined already are relevant.
Uh to the case. It's a so.
The dead were dealing with issues that are only one part of the case.
Uh it's a on mass murder trial under the law of war.
Of the elements of the offense are all.
Um issues facts of consequence to the determination of the action.
Any affirmative defenses might be.
I'm also some kind of.
Issue. A but the judge. A has indicated and the parties have
indicated that certain issues are also rolled up.
Two-hour a discovery obligations. So the voluntary and some subsequent statements.
The yeah.
The Behavior of the accused after.
Being captured in whether or not they prison a future danger.
I'm an emotion for outrageous government conduct.
That they've indicated.
They will file.
Um. So so the vision indicated these these different issues that
have helps help us figure out what kinds of things we have to. Provide.
And the other question.
No. Terrible yeah.
Persecution he said.
That's that's what the rental program.
Were you simply be laying decision.
The latter I don't decide that I only get involved if it becomes
an issue in the in the proceedings and then I.
Try to do what we can do.
Um. Yeah I mean that there with these exchanges today. I guess
I wasn't for pocket or so that.
I don't.
I thought that exchange did reveal there are quite a few people
on these defense teams. It's interesting that they're the discussion
of how many of assets they have the need to get right on often
wondered about out on resource. They are but um but no I mean
we have to go through the same process. It's an individual lies
personnel security determination that the government has to make.
It's not required to give any one individual access to information
and that process.
A includes so at least at the present an alternative compounds
tory control. My journey cc and asked a B.
Properly provided by the right people.
Major senior a had all the prerequisites and one we.
I asked about that uh.
Understanding that he was very recently rat or maybe in a first
in the first out kind of arrangement would've been one of the
ladder people to be.
A right into that a cc on.
The young.
The manager of that it it agreed to to do that quickly.
Said. What's the word.
That's a second castrated trauma that we've given you the You're
you're on the river tending to be on all all the way that you
you you begin the of a reference west unfurl to deity manual
on personnel secure.
So there's up.
It's not up a program. It's not a special clearance. It is a.
Control measure that is based on need to know.
So it.
It doesn't work precisely by determining how many people.
Are getting this information and and limiting those numbers.
Um so uh.
So that's the of the reason why that haven't read everybody on.
Right. Twice that thank you.
Prosecution 25 more players.
I didn't mention that is not about a lawyers that they've we
of we of individuals assisting with that's a large discovery
obligation that we have.
But they're not. One.
In that. All situation we're.
Trying to negotiate a Buyout sometime you hold on to.
Forty some kind of an of an investigation so just.
Proud of erinma.
No. The a judge begrudging the if decided to go to them for remedies
and he's got control of the right now it's in the one was in
one 52 series.
So yes I mean he's got you.
Used up in.
Opportunity in availability of a fact finding process and so. Forth.
Anyone else here two years.
Closer. A Uh uh.
And you know.
Thank you for getting the de klerk for that so we're very slowly
and you know there's earlier and can do everything. We are not arrest.
Alone. Until the 36 member of its that we're gonna do everything.
We can to produce discovered. But tradition.
All of people of that all go to the prosecution of this.
So today we can to.
Me. Holders.
He was.
Per. Year.
Throwing thomas in the United States air force ever sent tomorrow
blue chi.
Um. As we do so prone Thompson. I strive to remain mindful.
Of the needs in the suffering of victims of nine 11 of terror
sacks throughout the world.
The can't do anything to reduce their suffering.
A but we can try not to make it worse.
And as such we keep them always in our thoughts on our person
or medications.
And they dearest to three three scenes that emerge from this
two weeks of parents.
The first.
Why is he delayed the proceedings because for the prosecution
strategy of delaying denying integrating information about CIA
abuse of the defendants in this case.
One of the motions this week for example sought access to awesome
legal counsel memorandum and other policy information exchange
between the white house the CIA.
Anted parma of justice.
That motion was filed in two thousand.
Twelfth. The governor response at that time was that they would
provide I quote.
All statements and treatment related information in quote to
the defects.
They didn't say that we were entitled to it.
They didn't say that they didn't for wouldn't provide it.
But three years later the government has provided a total of
891 pages of discovery related to a CIA and black site interrogation
of these men.
I'd of a total of six point three million that we know the senate
select committee on intelligence reviewed.
The key reason that this case is unlikely to come to trial in
this decade is the government's continuing delay in providing
information about CIA abuse.
The second thing that we solve this week these two weeks.
Was the hollow promise of transparency in these proceedings.
On monday the government defended and censorship of october thirtieth
2015 transcript on the basis that it had the unilateral power
to limit public access to public proceedings.
The transcript of the morning of wednesday february 20 third
is still not publicly available on the website.
And Available to you and when that it becomes available. I suspect
that it will contain reductions.
Creating this whole problem over again.
In this.
Nine days of a commission.
The there were two full days and part of the third day of of
hearing Sever close to post to the public and to the. Defendants.
The third seat seem that we saw this week.
Was the historical and continuing abuse about the defendants
in this case.
Last week we watched they hit a Hollywood depiction created with
seek cooperation of the CIA and the department of defense of
to torture from our ability and the movies or dark thirty.
On wednesday we saw the testimony of Ramsey been O's about about
the continuing.
A abuse that he suffers here guantanamo.
While all this has gone on there has never.
And in eat treatment for abuse.
Torture. In provided by the United States government at one time
of day.
A bleeding wound will never heal if it is never. Treated.
I ever gemini questions. I'd be happy dance of. Him.
They're not over.
The New location for it.
There you do it is and here right here.
She. Uh producers there are to this day.
Warrant for me.
Supporting the tree.
You. Do.
The the ones like we're about to this day in 20 sixteen.
Uh the writer and the director of server 30 have more information
about now.
The specific abuses of a more out when she and his defense team best.
Going correction it's it's right or not this.
The better.
Cower. Very really that.
One would pose for free.
Yes. You very very.
No oh I'm sure.
He. The United States military has a lot of experience in treating
post traumatic brain entry which traveled to suffer and Post
traumatic stress a which she has to wishy tenacious up.
Feet. Essentially be important things are deo where he.
Major problems a better person is suffering.
A and in work on their want compounds as well.
In this situation the CIA specifically use. What's called learn to.
To induce a state of on helplessness that is a person and not
respond appropriately there for the reason make itself.
Was too.
Create a situation where they would save that detainees would
say whatever the Seattle Noir set.
But that situation did not go away.
When the men were transferred to guantanamo that and so gary
is the condition which is working on that triggers a.
You know a person who has post combat stress might feel stress
and anxiety or panic a when.
A drive and the beach for because it is because of the sand because
the desert triggers of a feeling.
In the same way.
Uh this slamming of do worse.
For the or worse.
A maybe trigger for was traveling she.
Uh in in way that brings back he.
Conditions of the what size one of the motions their weaker.
We was without a their handling of the defendant spy female bars
and patching holes in one of the power and it's a dance about
the defendants was a that that.
Reminded them that trigger the on heels trauma that they've suffered
indie a.
About what sets a person does not surrender their humanity when
they enter prison.
And treatment a often falls into.
Uh not not even extraordinarily complex it often falls into the
come in the hague your old school of of a psychology we're fear
the symbol the conditioning techniques are used to work with
the person who has suffered post traumatic stress to a help them
I recover.
Well why.
A a really.
In. It.
From aren't Legion what I can't speak for anyone else tomorrow
blue cheese when a The climate in a new representations has restore
has the ability to find new objectives of diversification within
and then started fast carried this out within the reason why ethics.
Number one objective on this route Lucy is not have the church
against just messed war two when the trial or to avoid the death penalty.
He's number one objective which she is the best pursue used to
obtain towards the rehabilitation for that.
And so we have traveled the world to torture rehabilitation centers
seeking expert assistance in crafting such a out and set for
they've been successful. Yeah and we haven't convinced a anyone
here that such a program a is workable but that is it continually
golf rocks.
Absolutely. When you're doing that.
The first thing that I met him on august fifteenth 2000 and thirteen.
In the camps set. Himself.
But There.
Is to use them.
Right. The the two six to three six.
For you.
As with all the defense trends in this case we can call um was
an eye.
Out for a privilege to hold a security fences at the highest
levels free to the United States government.
We work in a secure for information facility in the next to read.
Uh which is eligible to hold.
Up those electronically and physically uh this nation's greatest secrets.
He. It. Would.
The expected.
Down in a situation like this the prosecution following see.
A proud tradition of generous just every in the military courts would.
Uh simply provide that information to the defense of with appropriate
safeguards and Uh would allow us to make the decisions as to
what was important and what need to be presented in poor.
Instead the prosecution has taken a position for many positions
I should set up over the past a to re and a half years in which
you as a alternatively claims that it will produce the information
as it did in 2012 planted doesn't have to use the information
a as it did and the best 14 plans that is a from the dress bean
compel use the information in violation bilingual technicians
act which did in december 2015 and now taste vision that just
to this old and it's september and we will not use information
the defense about will produce limited information of their choosing
to the judge for a reduction substitution and some worry about
with the information being provided to the that's probably a
sometime in 20. Seventeen.
I would you were you know that the Ready.
We provide them all.
Two. The the worm one well.
Using the yes it's an excellent question my proposal and it ended
dark and I'm on the policy memorandum which are not limited to
we'll see but a Arce. Well uh was that of the something approximately
75 documents that are responsive to.
Um that they you won 12 series at 23 which the prosecution said
they had used for about possibly turn over the fence up that
we could take it to read down next that we discussed in court
this week which are the highest quality of discovery that the
government pass with the hundred and 40 words three documents
beyond ski. I'm reductions a release the public under freedom
of information act do we take those which is their best case
for for their discovery and that we should make this to the judges
of caskets.
Uh we proposed to brief to the judge um walk. What we think is
either those reductions and why it's important that defense and
we propose that the prosecution a estimate the original a on
redacted documents to digest. We are delighted to hear at the
close of E that session this week that prosecution hats a truism
take this out on that offer and will be submitting the least
those three.
Are also people catch a memorandum to be a judge for his. Rebuke.
And though here today with.
I know that there's a sea. Yeah they're going to go.
The others.
The new one.
It's a matter of the
The Right oh and in without that.
To them both.
And it is yeah.
Yes. Uh I Greenwich omar was that the cesium zerona a giant mystery
the um.
They are imparts a there specifically permits to finish it by
the department fans other elements the United States government
did not use a cc and A ACS she GM's are sort of a a.
Uh oh shattered and that ran a are.
A can overlap goes secret and she toss eager for that matter
probably confidential information afford Hitler parks particular
types of information and germ arms are the today that it's not
a program that's true in the sense of it's not a.
You know a group of people were running figure operation works
out to technology or something like that is instead a category
of information which the United States has to time must be protected
at CERN love.
Um there's also the industry as to how we got red on to be to
a cc and a better have to assert so far in the case a new receded
in from a guy to have enough of the prosecution asking us are
you read and use to a cease GM's uh. We have discovered for you
that also those two categories and uh we wrote that no and then
we pursue through security channels. Our request to be reading
this to a cc apps.
Um and He. Uh it's my understanding have southern defense teams
have not pursue.
A Freedom the second of those a cesium brown are are central.
And maybe they can address of but I I'm knocks.
Maybe they have bass and I I I don't really speak for my team.
Which is that we asked they. Wrestle.
They said.
Bait the year and. Then.
I am.
Williams and this is the 10 a Colonel shun grace and we represent
missed out about the Sally.
Um you just wanna say that I can agree more with. Mr.
Canals words that you know what we have seen in the past two
weeks has band aid.
And delay and ever.
Discovering that led to denigrated discovery ended. The else
of discovery.
One would if not after the prosecution I'm time and again had.
That indicated that the defense was at fault for not signing
the memorandum of.
Understanding to receive classified information that the moment.
We did we would've gotten all of the necessary information we needed.
In this case and for some like as it has been borne out that
is not not happened and and this past two weeks of hearings have
shown that we're still not.
In possession of all the discovery needed to adequately represent.
Mr. Uh-huh Sally in this case. Mr. De sao use the app still presumed
innocent and during this still lie by the prosecution and giving
us the necessary mature only need to defend this case.
He has not been subjected to changes and his conditions of confinement.
In that today we dedicated 80 to 54 Yankee which highlighted
the fact.
That a change in the staffing of the guard force here. I was
that was implemented in october of 2014 into the jed disorder
in january 2000 fifteen.
I'm starting to use women and places where they would be in fiscal
contact with mr. Uh-huh Sally and the other cues.
I wanna reiterate that we do not believe that this notion was
that all of the Alps.
Gender equality for gender discrimination.
That it was about the the fair and safe.
Detention of law for.
Detainees in this case mr. Uh-huh selling.
Um the request that was made me believe there's reasonable especially
in light of a history that women had not been used and physical
contact positions with mr. Uh-huh Sally are the other. Cues.
We don't believe that there was any um.
The adverse effects to the security for the safety of the detention
operations and I think that was borne out by all the witnesses
who testified.
So we reserve my noted the jed chance a a lot to consider in
this rolling wheat we have to be considers all of the evidence
and And fun said in fact that there that there is no we issued
here to the safety and security of the tension operations to.
A allowing modification for these five individuals including
extra hustling.
That's all I have so detainee question joe. Have.
He was saying.
They said that. One.
Um well I can tell you that I don't believe he's getting the
adequate medical care that he was um. I don't believe that he
has full access.
To uh the same medical care that would be available appear to
that just over who was stationed here as the prosecution has
indicated time and again.
Um I think it's very difficult for their to be any.
Patient. Doctor relationship form um and in this case. I do know
that they're at the request may.
Not just from mistress Iwate them on my self regarding. I'm receiving
additional information about his medical condition.
To be able to to get an additional care.
For instance um we had a us for additional medical records and mr.
Tried it.
Did trying to go when the boat and be on to an extent I records
from october um which.
Yeah so moments ago are ready to get any time that that information
reported from from october.
Unfortunately I'm where we're seeing this record to did not have
all the necessary information did not have blood tests did not
have information that we would me too.
I think of the excess a. Medical trader that is receiving right now.
We've asked for this information to be provided every six weeks stuff.
So we can keep on top of this the whole situation and in sure
that he.
Um invasively can advocate for him to have access to adequate
medical. Care.
The you your foreign um.
Five to two.
Trendy the ball and The in the uh in they thought about one for
the place.
For that broccoli.
Well. You know that there is a.
Uh he's grown with the work that you might have. More.
With. A working with. Yeah.
So. And the judge for versus is a word and a side of the prosecution.
Will run this situation were.
We have legal because it's It's gonna get crapshoot whether there's
been beer fueled are in a position that it's going to touch features
a working.
When this came out before and after over 2000 and fourteen.
When this initially rose.
Whenever that I'm situation presented itself to mister he's our
he refused with its.
Comfortable we came down here.
On a monday of right trip. We had this extent over to humans Thursday.
That's opposed three days a present of the melting that mr.
Saleh for me to this it's the result we have no legal visage entirely.
As you can imagine that interferes with our Billy Burke are this
cat location trial.
And you um.
All illegal things of the new dew parts discussing pre trial
motions with them discussing discovering.
The result that this and more like this system which is armed
and away for years. Yeah. Yeah.
Can. Then he uh.
See changes in.
Miller her mission.
Hot. You get that like. Yeah I know that we know you have it
here and you went with them.
Holy. Right what speech was right after work this week swindon
bumpy because for actually conducting your and you say.
Funny in the fridge.
We were the finish.
The We have no.
Insight affirmation return. Echo. We saw the presence of his
speech that would convert aids. We don't know what changes are
gonna be proposed.
I don't know if she.
Was that.
Spent the process of reviewing andy.
Changes to go with that that be.
The legislature listened to dance.
Uh. Is one example.
The move.
That she.
This was changed stay with them.
These lawyers are.
It is classified the government is to determine whether they
see the guidance but her.
To erase breathing. We get in a happy here and we.
Up into the
And that that that deprives the scare that seems to go to talk about.
Important issues with me.
For that but no.
President already but it's the whole about me about what the
legislative changes.
Are are to be.
Vote. And then there's another question of if they get to the
west when it came three system was already underway.
This the use of the whole over the boy to.
The suspect me and one of getting work away and we argue about
the change the rules mainstream.
The impact that she.
And I have a good year.
It out.
Yes. You off.
Uh. The judge determine.
The The many this novel the Judge the german that I'm not a party
which cheese. Mm-hm.
Further. Okay but he did.
You know what.. That.
That. Now I am.
One of the attorneys for Ramsey pinochet go along with that.
Major. When a wicked was also here um.
Did you.
Lavishly no.
Something very unusual happened. This week in the one of the
detainees and she wrapped namely ramjeevan O's. But they actually
gave testimony in a in the commission hearing.
It probably is that no other detainee will ever testify in the
commission's again.
Um. Inching up for sure but that's probably what will happen.
Um and um I give a judge paul credit for.
I'm allowing this perceiving the go ahead is good.
I'm in all of you I'm sure.
Siam and paid a very close attention to to him when he testified.
Um he was.
Rational coherent.
Intelligent and uh I think gave compelling testimony about.
What he says he is a way that he is treated here in in camp seven um.
When we come back in april. We intend to put to other detainees
and testified.
Um and we're in the process also of love.
Identifying him trying to compel some other witnesses to testify
from the comic air force. So they hearing with respect to his
treat men years. He's not over yet and um.
Some of the proceedings it happened. This week. I'm that were
classified also um.
People opening more more doors about camp seven and the way that
does so uh this place is run and um.
There's a lot of fingers and the human make it baking the cake
here and the Um it's very difficult for us to put together.
A Who is doing what and uh we're not quite sure yet how that
impacts the the issue that we're trying to litigate for mr.
Ben all sheila but.
We're we're trying to put that all together. I'm aged the you
probably noticed securing started.
The latest boring um.
A after the up. Mr. Pinochet would testified on wednesday.
The indicated that he was treated very badly um when tonight
and Last night and Uh he did not come to this meeting whistle
working members on Thursday which she was looking forward to
when we had a long agenda of things for him to talk about which
were important for us um and this morning.
Uh he was also I can situation that initially.
Uh he told a me was not gonna come to to the hearings and he
also did not sign a waiver to come to the hearings.
And of The short time after that.
Show our see changes mine voluntarily came to the hearing but.
Paul was about than or an order to get them forcibly brought
to the harrington defeated Mac come.
Um and even though of these less too.
Days and evenings were of a significant problem for hamlet.
Um if you watch today and they showed him an all and TV he still.
Was a reserved and quiet and let me make the complaints for him.
Um and um.
And the lead to take any questions and every as up. Edition.
He's so first.
Oh no.
The The city and paul.
When the knows the five.
Play huge.
Fashion. Do what you are likely on Wall.
Well in most cases it's rare that you see it usually it anybody
condition that I think of it practiced a minute. There's a study
is I didn't do something and they don't I don't like to get a
understands the it didn't do it that's just but testimony him
and and rarely do people does.
And and manage its staff or usual it that that's plate creature
of your too. Differences.
Yeah. But are What really goes for for chili. Why. Situation.
Well what maisie has a hair and I think that she is a risk these
are difficult though is to a.
You turn and what capabilities are in this can.
For the things that mister benefit plans of a and some of the
other detainees of searches are like crack devices for whatever.
I'm a nation of was to have surgery I would classify place and
and getting that information is going to be very difficult it
probably gets to come from.
The church who would be able to examine cells.
Jim and a control room and The government really that blanket.
Voluntarily consent care. Somebody do that.
Although if you could hear the security.
Um. In place that that would be no.
Public disclosure of it.
Would be a massive for them to there's a saying nothing is getting
that's the case and somebody can command examined facility the
show that they're capable of doing it because it to be put to
the that if if there are devices there.
She. The reason to believe given.
Uh the history of the way that the men of intriguing various
places of a bad fortune to capture.
Um. That may explain why.
They are sold they fiercely opposed to. Disclosure.
What. A right already.
Going. We have ESPN independent. Experts.
Counted people people to the station are saying.
Um and that's what I think we and our team window than a former
she a people former we were we don't we don't wanna.
They too.
Or or I don't think it is actually but I mean they're intended
for shunning people make movies people who lost.
Things with the
The In early radio amateurs.
As many people who were this good.
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Uh one for your crew via that's about it.
The the From buying.
You. The the it.
An honor vibration that the and her and all of them the And you win.
Then in the vicinity Everson thing and That would be.
What. It was then a few times when we have we of and in meetings
with the Places where they were we feel the vibrations like in
the metal grate that separation is the area.
From and sometimes and in the floor um entire rush to make a
determination whether that's because they they very cold and
they have the air conditioners and the that are that the Well
what we've been replaced recently the There there may what it
may be some some other sure we we've.
We experienced some of it that that the three that he says and
he also says that when we're not there that is that it's different
for him in the. Door.
And he was you know.
However the Only for a while we can relate to the discovery that.
Because we. Made.
The whole thing all about.
Why he is.
The. Gate.
An initial five.
Yes and uh that katie is event cut down now basically the only
thing is to the medical.
The that can occur for this.
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I'm here very scarce and metaphor patients with which we gloucester
gone through the problem we're to the position of me.
We're gonna use.
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Which with the depravity other actor a actors.
Get her hands change just like a. Mr. Ma I'm as a translator there.
She is the day. It's really good guy and he had a.
That rash for the last.
Here and lunch.
So what is one frustrating the Level romantic after. Another.
Of a friend.
Good. A firefighter was injured in the nine-eleven collapse.
I'm picking now to guantanamo this week to both observed that
does it the proceedings in inadequate home and to show my support
for the Wall for some military commissions the prosecution team
will of the boat is so much of the lives of this.
And new jtf a poet.
A very village in freshen on keeping that plus safe down here. Home.
Oh. Couple of observations there on the weekend. You know there
were times that I felt like I was being a mostly ward aborted
buys some of the defense council a.
Who a mostly disregard why we're here and the first place.
This is not about their rights it's about their wax.
Paul. Call it was a half the way to a lotta githa git. I burp
but the some which was said about a man see dan all she about.
A feeling tortured feeling pain.
Uh. The living being re traumatized close to one a female guard
wouldn't touch is all a escorting mad at the sao.
Um I a I spoke get some links to bat that yesterday an will really
need to go on to every aspect of that but what I can tell you
what a real to watch in real payments.
And If a that gives some day and night near is a you could tell
you the firefighter's says supplies.
Nine allow them and uh lowest that friends and many cases family
like a the Midst of regina was down this with this week los both
the signs.
Called may continue to going to fires af the woods and if he
has that day dream about it.
Uh. With morning talk to them than like a.
That's just to data on my heart leads for a.
What else can I.
It. Was.
Then Ramsey barrow steven harm the host took the stand and said.
One time most of safest place on our so that it did they do in
a good job.
Taking care of them and um.
He has that it for. Now.
Seen on nine 11 um than night. I live on the west coast and haven't
really has bunch of Billy the
See you're getting gauges many of the events that happen like
in europe to play along up and along the east coast. So was very
died ball for me to come here. This week and get a better sense
of how.
They operations that for a out of the teen detainee user are
hollows 10 how the because perceived about how the um.
The court proceedings thicker than with the issues are.
Uh it's benefit through the sped up.
Long weeks to come by quickly from a sates can exhausting.
It's kinda repetitive. I'm not I'm having legal back down those
kind of like it's kinda tedious sometimes. What are the mix my metaphors.
But um there's a lot of people clearly working very hard to make
sure that justice is done and I think it's important for me to
see some of that my thinking is important I like to think is
important for many of those folks to.
See out stuff and get a chance to meet with us the families to
kinda get a sense of the mind. I'm a why they're all here.
Like if. You.
The the. Way.
Uh oh.
Or you know.
Today in the fall of of all the with this really come back and
a full force.
You know the possibilities.
Well my all right.
Peruvians to.
Me. If it is the location for the distance.
I think that.
Give it a few that.
Because of and. Tall.
My name is they'll first and made.
Have similar comments as that Jordan did.
Um we live in florida of so many of these perceiving seen foreign
to us no we don't hear a whole lot about what's going on some
my objective for the week was to find out.
What was happening here on time amount and To somewhat get a
feel for it he.
Both the prosecution and defense and I do think that that objective
for us realize during the week.
Um I lost my brother Kermit anderson.
On he was at the out on the 90 seventh floor of the north tower
propped-up plea at the impacts around.
And he was probably incinerator to of living in at the point
when it hit.
Because we found nothing of him.
So. I do one a key piece.
Name. In front of folks that are down here.
As everyone else goes to make you realize that.
We did lose. People.
The that we love and we still it's. Kid.
Yeah.
The What the Hell out here.
Our And for you.
What you wanna be and Center for. Us.
I think one of the things that I feel the American public does
not really know what's going on here.
Um. I'm not sure that you and so I would make a difference and
the general public can.
You are on. That.
And I'm not sure what the resolution is where the American public
to know that this is.
But they should be some can go.
Coverage of what's happening all ongoing nachos the two weeks
a year and. Session.
Some positive stories about what you're. Doing.
So in answer your question. I'm sure that with.
The the answer.
But I do think the public to.
Hear more about what happened.
Is reducing this would what would you like the whole of.. With.
With. I think for myself that was.
What the prosecution and the defense for that.
We have the opportunity to meet with both groups of people and
And I'm there.
People just like you know.
They issues this for a week that issues.
And the defense is going into an prosecutions to catch up and
this is our justice system.
And a lot of people don't even understand what are the fifth.
For the falls.
Flea that's so what I know. What.
And with this thing.
Yeah and they have import.
Yeah the with.
They see what we've some.
Right. And you feel like a lot about that. No. Her.
Money. So that was the. The
I think the
If there were some formal.
Lokini in.
To this where people are interested.
Paul. As well as people who.
Are curious.
Home. Despite the fact that that time 11 was.
Dehumanise in beyond.
Paul. Imagination before the
Be part of this process observer him home.
Everyone involved became humanise for us.
The. Prosecutors.
There's been a great deal time with us.
We also met with that that's a teams.
Who all listen to all of us.
Yeah and I truly believe they they have the capacity that emphasizes
for you.
All. And we got to visually see four of the defendants.
And one of the was on the set and so. For me this whole process
for Ross made it out.
In a very.
Oh um whenever recalled leeway that also.
Vyrt has the like a ups seeing that these are all human beings struggling.
With the aftermath of.
All of the whole.
Crime that.
Has yet to find a solution.
And my wife and I shared a fact that the we wonder how many of
these detainees will be a life.
When this comes to conclusion..