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the defense and prosecution of Hadi iraq.
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Nicky. There you ladies and gentlemen my name is intended commit
thomas jesper. Many of the defense counsel for Hadi Iraqi.
Uh I deny any prepared state. It's a regarding these motions
in the last few days but I am here to answer any questions that
to me a may have.
How The me response.
Or The house.
The russian perhaps they are on.
He is a question which is just the four.
Is that your sense that that actually time. You.
Rosenberg from miami herald is whether.
The defense believes that the government's uh. It's cancers.
Are contained that they are complying with the a mortar which
is to not have enough guards physically have contact with mr.
Hike Iraqi twin from meetings with defense counsel.
And also to the court session. It's in our sense ma'am is that
the water is currently being complied with i've had several.
Independent meetings with the Saudi Iraqi last week in the preparation
of the core carries the last few days.
And our sense is that.
There are no females any contact with incredibly.
Can we had no wishes within this particular a week.
Palm. So we sense there haven't been any issues. What's whatever
and the issues being complied with a additionally with my interview
with crown O'Keefe.
On friday morning. He indicated that he understood the a mortar
and also that's been complied with.
Out there is just a question.
It's the for that.
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Home. For or is that. Yeah.
We're. This week.
So I was.
That when I first.. Allies.
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ever be a female.
And whether she's part of the guard force were knocked hot.
I happen in those cheese and a staff judge advocate not for the
bird force and used to from the very beginning on this case.
The only thing in our climbs objecting to is actually fiscal
touching about the presence of females of the guard force being
there by ordering them around directing him.
Um supervising these of that features just the physical contact itself.
Um so we had no objection to females being there buying in the
court room. We saw them deterred first a.
And as well as today and Um again until objection to that particular
issue done being present. It's just quickly is religious conviction
that he's trying to comply with and to is deeply about.
To. That's a great question and I really don't know how it's
going impact either cases subjects is commission.
Relies there are other.
A detainee steering these camps. And Frankly we've been so busy
I working with our case our clients issue.
Died not converse with other defense members from other teams
to figure out how it may or may not an actor particular case it's.
So I I really can't answer the question.
Directly. A 40 impacted may have because as you can probably
imagine the judges just below the Arctic their case in every
case is unique.
A case is not one to nine 11 cases.
It's not affiliated with that separate charges.
Pasta for defense strategy.
And We really don't know the attacks gay have on those particular. Tastes.
The Right yes.
This is something that I have.
I haven't when state.
Um. And that's the meeting right now that we've common between.
Nineteen 12 witnesses that we like to cook for with.
And do you think the V. No.
Yes. You know in this purposes of the interviews that discover
the time. If there's any relevance in eating that might help
and assist opposition.
Uh we just break we don't know sold far we've been given some
interviewed statements that were written by those particular
members they were just submit to interviews and a war summits
essentially of what transpired to our client with we garden the
poor soul traction.
So we don't think the interviews are are gonna be a hopeful.
Whether we actually calls all someone all those witnesses will
be after we assess the information. We gathered to the interview
and that's why we're bidding is so important in this commission
to call witnesses the totally flesh. He's never out in public.
For everybody to see.
Um. Not to be totally transparent. We agree with us. What we want.
And our sense was that the government was in a call it with six
going and I and one half a day.
We got to date.
I interviewed that person a day after day that information was
an exactly the same.
So we feel like the in interviews gonna be extremely constructive
and helpful to the fence.
As our job.
We honest innocence serious case serious charges her job to represent jealously.
That's what I intend to do with my team.
And I would say and be an incompetent if I don't know if you
use what the since that's why we're so adding that to date.
And that's why we laid out the timing and we thought the judge
agreed to us.
If eight we deserve more time to per.
To give him a coptic defense which he.
Rates under the rules.
It is your eyes.
They Yeah. So.
That. Yeah I'm the to questionnaire asked from the says Rosenberg.
Is and if I played she collects them to testified.
Whether it would be regarding his faith whether would be about
four cell extraction.
Or whether it would be.
I bought some other issue.
Together and whether that would be an open quirk meaning in the
class by setting.
Um the answer that question is uh. I'm not gonna provide their right.
No ma'am.
Uh we're still a as I said the main position from the fences
we can assess properly whether it should testify until we conducted
our due diligence.
I'm due diligence byebye winwick kisses to determine whether
it's gonna benefit from.
Um but if he does choose to testify.
Um it probably you were not. Sure yet that we believe it probably
in a class by setting at this point.
What classified.
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Right. Just Idea.
And mister heidi Iraqi stirred. The defense coastal. I ate a
was speed detail to the case in august.
A piece we put on a case awaits a temper.
Um so why not we're.
Of didn't fully.
Fuld stay concentrated on bodies case only.
I had an and a timetable watched the of are more serious I'm
might bite instincts are that this matters come into coalition
now because it's our sense that the policy is changed terror.
With with other mister honey are hakim. Is the tamed.
And there has been a changing course of operations as the TARP intention.
And that this is a newly issued in we may be the first one to
dress in that's my sex.
Whoa. We think it's gonna come out our clients.
It's it not been.
Current can any physical contact with the no guards.
Uh from the years from two thousand.
Sixty 2000 ten.
And then from 2010 in 2014 or guinea guard sneaking. No carts
working into a most recently pastas chewing when the new commander
trickle rigor.
A over the potential to so.
So in the last seven years our client hasn't been touched by physical.
Physically. By the milk art.
On. Can the only.
Times it would be test but human car sister and a score process
and shackling in.
We shackling.
Process. There's another pondered the dollar and 50 duty safeguards cats.
Is is maybe one lesson 1% of their.
Pretty. And um we don't believe it Defies that particular guard.
From the effect of.
And we've we've is a deeply held religious conditions.
There are widely known across the world should be hotter.
Just as simple for us and this is that important or clay.
It's a critical issue for. Him.
No it only the it's not that they can participate via score process
is simply just nine having physical contact with mr. Audio of
our oculus there were some Ex aegean sea.
To see for instance a medical issue arose.
Something will almost whites in we believe.
This is the steeply how religious conviction as a wily recommends
crossed Muslim world. It's singer she aloft.
It's not something that heidi Iraqis originating for a come up
with a thumbs up on his own.
Uh our 20 the difficult he's trying to be compliant with his. English.
This no.
And then as a stuff. So that.
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Um. Things I yeah.
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Yeah. Well there's an from state he eats he bass he prays five
times a day.. Um.
Um. Because of the maintains weiss terror.
That he.. Practices.
Practices. He I know is a study it is really you know he said
he's a box didn't that is religion.
He has a cry and with them.
At all times.
He's praying constantly.
Um he's the about is a devout. Muslim.
Oh that this takes a of what.
My understanding the last few months of working with. Them.
Um did the question is whether the detention to so facility has
been the common aim to was request uh. It seems the been a common
on many things yes.
And there's some things snouts so much but I'm not prepared to
at this point the dress with which once.
Uh oh overall prevalent are pervasive those issues baby in and
they may come out later that the next motion or.
It's here the move is more.
See you.
In your name.
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Then there is an order that we want the judge should be will
be seeking.
In january.
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To fully fleshed out.
But it's the same principle um. He does knots.
He cannot and physical contact with the knows outside of this
immediate family.
Period unless it's for some urgent issue a medical issue for
some emerges.
Around is that for all the time.
The there. Were.
He be a judge a estimated termination whether he has jurisdiction
outside of um.
Look what it can.
Force the tensions city centre to comply with the press this
is why to a cult out for his right to apparent pork.
Sold it judges and mated determination whether says purview to
make a more expansive border that's something I think within
the maybe game jan worry.
And a judge is in a more did not address that.. Yeah.
Yeah. Our intention is to.
Shoulder. Up by preposterous of evidence that this is a deeply
held religious conviction by Nadal Iraqi.
Can we think we can carry that burden.
Yeah. First. Was.
In. Her.
That they. Doing.
You know frankly I I was like this friday Iraqis that's not our
concern olive Pollard. It impacts hakim of guards a contention
is that it should not impact based on what i've learned to the
wrestle piece.
About the school in the attitude of other the meets a like I
said there are a multitude of duties that don't involve physical
contact in.
A very small percentage do really is just yeah score process.
So we'll we'll leave it should impact. Up you know guard scored for.
And you know our it in a is as well is that you would hope that
he was soldier us marina earning or sailor.
At the situation. We first in a rel captive in a different country.
They can practice their religion and with the are.
The specially somethin' allies quickly and workers is.
Issue and why we recognize across most of. More.
But the minute to time and in a.
On this case.
The most frustrating part is costly karine outrageous purpose
process should. Be.
And miami understanding experience in four parcels a you see
on jay.
All hall where schools a present ever assembled size to make
a persuasive point.
And yet we're doing motions doubt that pasta with the sits.
Didn't make pretty easy call all these witnesses to prove their point.
But wanna make it a paper case.
And they can use use the rules their dance like care saves in this.
We're just kappa day. That's not pop people to the stand on rolfe.
Like we would neither military court were us to strip or anywhere
else in america.
A kind of makes a stealing we need to call witnesses and a simply
what we're trying to aiming to do a asking for the believed the
so as that hasn't been easy.
Because of this secured environment korean.
We don't have the names of these witnesses and other positions
but we're not authorize to palm energy.
To determine whether weldon whether they can testify.
Alexa um for those reasons that that's been very frustrating
could sit singing to defer system and I'm used to.
And it's doesn't seem transparent like you cannot transparent
this it's.
This process since commission.
Moreover the business.
That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah I Was.
He is it's you or how on that.
My understanding that he's shackled.
Up from his cell and escorted to where we meet with him and he's
on shackled denis nice with us for in the morning for a few hours.
He's shackled to the for morning's meeting with us.
Um we have lunch we me in the afternoon after about an hour break
in their first prayers with a for another two or three hours
think in that the date.
Uh he's a be shackled then brought back to is itself a way to
defeat location.
Um so twice.
In my data to me.
Good. Um we try to get down to hear once every two to three weeks
on average um. I've been here since november eighth.
Uh in preparation of a caring I met with him several times last
week met within three four times since sunday.
Um so all I get ample time to me with can we be will be down
here at least once every three weeks.
And because of low for the just go challenges the flight's um
it there. So earrings going on there may not be room for us to
come down. But we we were 20 had is much contact is possible
to get all over poorer.
Um to get understanding develop a strategy discuss the issues
with and then in the old that he has else that than stick.
I'm sold was it at him and we're here.
In Seoul farce been.
I say on average every two to three. Weeks.
The I appreciate very good question is I will buy answer them
all completely and look forward to next conference victor clued
conclusion of the next hearing engine we're.
Thank you..