WEBVTT 00:06.910 --> 00:09.390 Okay and then acting director the army national guard. 00:09.980 --> 00:11.700 Walking tour round table discussion. 00:12.680 --> 00:15.380 First I like to extend my thanks to the association of the United 00:15.380 --> 00:17.620 States are made for hosting this event. 00:18.270 --> 00:21.710 And I'm also very grateful tour distinguished analysts for being 00:21.710 --> 00:23.070 here to share their ideas. 00:23.590 --> 00:25.860 And give us the benefit of their expereince. 00:26.810 --> 00:30.540 I know you'll find their perspectives valuable eye opening. 00:31.100 --> 00:32.710 And just the chance provocative of. 00:33.740 --> 00:35.120 They're all experts in their on right. 00:36.280 --> 00:40.080 And at last count they add eight plots advanced degrees among them. 00:41.230 --> 00:44.850 Their collective expertise ranges from military strategy. 00:45.890 --> 00:47.040 The difference falsely. 00:47.560 --> 00:48.670 Double lance security. 00:49.310 --> 00:51.610 To coalition an alliance operations. 00:52.260 --> 00:53.160 Their offers. 00:53.990 --> 00:54.820 Profess ers. 00:55.380 --> 00:56.950 And respected advisers. 00:57.720 --> 00:59.490 Anime told that they're not shock. 01:01.040 --> 01:04.140 Ladies and gentlemen a B half of the army national guard. 01:04.380 --> 01:07.120 It's a privilege another under the heavy here today. 01:07.960 --> 01:11.290 Our pay analysts have been invited to survey the current defense landscape. 01:12.120 --> 01:15.460 They'll explored key issue. Shaping art beam for this discussion 01:15.940 --> 01:17.330 which is building an army. 01:17.890 --> 01:19.340 Under the budget control act. 01:20.810 --> 01:23.690 And all the the first to admit that the panel has a tough assignment. 01:24.710 --> 01:27.680 Projecting the budget control axed impact on a force of more 01:27.680 --> 01:32.210 than one point three million active guard reserves soldiers and 01:32.240 --> 01:33.700 army civilian employees. 01:34.270 --> 01:38.640 And trillions of dollars of equipment real estate and other assets 01:38.810 --> 01:39.980 is a high-risk a Simon. 01:40.730 --> 01:41.960 There are lots of variables. 01:42.910 --> 01:44.250 Much uncertainty. 01:45.020 --> 01:46.440 It's effective wild cards. 01:47.320 --> 01:48.820 But we do we have some touch flights. 01:49.910 --> 01:51.640 After 13 years of conflict. 01:52.250 --> 01:55.900 We know how the army national guard performed as it expanded 01:55.900 --> 02:00.070 to meet the mission critical needs of operation noble eagle enduring 02:00.070 --> 02:03.080 freedom or Iraqi freedom and new dog. 02:04.460 --> 02:07.600 We also know the full value of the army national guard as an 02:07.600 --> 02:08.800 operational force. 02:09.660 --> 02:13.850 Or citizen soldiers have been mobilized in units ranging in size 02:14.130 --> 02:15.790 from two to three person teams. 02:16.480 --> 02:17.930 To Brigade combat teams. 02:18.650 --> 02:23.110 To division headquarters exercising commanding control over multiple 02:23.110 --> 02:25.890 Brigade combat teams and supporting forces. 02:27.000 --> 02:30.960 Guard Brigade combat teams performed every mission in iraq and 02:30.960 --> 02:35.120 Afghanistan that directed component counterparts performed except 02:35.120 --> 02:36.130 the initial invasion. 02:37.560 --> 02:41.240 Guard Brigade combat team successfully conducted all wide variety 02:41.240 --> 02:43.730 of missions including security force. 02:44.490 --> 02:46.220 Counterinsurgency operations. 02:46.760 --> 02:51.080 And advise ian in a sistine host nation military and police forces 02:51.110 --> 02:52.110 in both countries. 02:53.190 --> 02:54.850 Our contribution was from edible. 02:55.410 --> 02:57.490 And absolutely necessary to the war fight. 02:58.510 --> 03:02.870 Since nine 11 there been more than 500 and 35000 soldier deployments. 03:03.620 --> 03:07.860 And we're still counting today it more than 10000 their mobilize 03:07.860 --> 03:09.370 for missions around the world. 03:11.070 --> 03:14.140 At the same time we continue deliberate or responsibilities or 03:14.140 --> 03:14.610 the ball. 03:15.360 --> 03:19.670 Our forces citizens soldiers remains the first military responders 03:20.030 --> 03:21.070 during emergencies. 03:21.680 --> 03:24.420 Storms floods and wildfires. 03:25.600 --> 03:30.580 We are not confronted with an emergence that abroad and substitute challenges. 03:31.270 --> 03:33.580 With funding shade by the budget control act. 03:34.370 --> 03:37.660 This this story out is forcing us to asthma important questions. 03:38.960 --> 03:42.930 How do we decrease military spending in an intelligent in strategic 03:42.930 --> 03:43.340 why a. 03:43.890 --> 03:46.680 Mindful of preserving the core capabilities of the army. 03:48.290 --> 03:49.480 How do we anticipate. 03:50.030 --> 03:54.240 Plan for and overcome the impacts to ready notice that funding 03:54.240 --> 03:56.150 cuts enough white 15 will bring. 03:57.860 --> 03:59.840 How to where remain and operational reserves. 04:01.590 --> 04:04.370 If the army national guard justin of provide doubt to the army. 04:05.030 --> 04:08.820 To what extent the guard forces Needham bearer army. Capabilities. 04:10.280 --> 04:13.490 What is the appropriate role for the reserve component and theater 04:13.490 --> 04:14.750 security. Cooperation. 04:16.450 --> 04:19.870 Ultimate weight had only strike the right balance of ready ness 04:20.020 --> 04:21.560 and strength and for structure. 04:22.510 --> 04:24.510 There are many more issues emerging every day. 04:25.180 --> 04:28.890 But all leave those pivotal questions enhancers tour moderator 04:29.180 --> 04:30.170 and our cattle us. 04:31.200 --> 04:34.290 At this time alike to introduce a moderator bitten agenda. 04:34.290 --> 04:37.470 Retired. David barred all cool. Died today's discussion. 04:38.390 --> 04:42.030 Jenna barn always a senior fellow in Co director of the responsible 04:42.030 --> 04:45.570 defense program at the center for the new American security. 04:46.590 --> 04:50.220 Before joining seen asked jenna bar always a highly decorated 04:50.450 --> 04:53.290 army officer with more than 30 years in uniform. 04:54.160 --> 04:56.940 He has served in a variety of command and staff positions. 04:57.580 --> 05:01.780 In the us and around the world including commanded every level. 05:02.810 --> 05:07.740 He saw combat in both grenada and analog with the army Rangers. 05:08.710 --> 05:13.280 In 2003 he was promoted to lieutenant general and deploy to Afghanistan 05:13.650 --> 05:17.610 to become the first commander military operations Afghanistan 05:18.000 --> 05:22.030 which later was re designated as combined forces command Afghanistan. 05:23.060 --> 05:26.850 Alternate leila ted jenna bar. No commanded 20000 us and call 05:26.850 --> 05:29.720 wishing forces in operation enduring freedom. 05:30.740 --> 05:34.830 Foreign retirement from the army in 2000 sects is service director 05:34.830 --> 05:38.900 of been erased stop asia's center for strategic studies at the 05:38.900 --> 05:40.290 national defense university. 05:41.310 --> 05:43.870 John apart always a graduate of us military academy. 05:44.630 --> 05:47.700 And holds a master's degree in national security studies from 05:47.700 --> 05:51.180 Georgetown university ladies and gentlemen please join me in 05:51.180 --> 05:53.220 a warm. Welcome to gentle. Bottle. 06:01.750 --> 06:04.830 We'll glacier emotional engine that they previous said daunting 06:04.830 --> 06:08.030 list of tasks to resolve you're in the next 90 minutes with all 06:08.030 --> 06:11.860 of your help your in the audience a forbes lady out onto Wayne 06:11.860 --> 06:15.270 by some incredible talent appear on the podium and I think you're 06:15.270 --> 06:19.580 you'll find our discussion over the next up 45 minutes or so 06:19.990 --> 06:23.090 uh to prove that point you and then we'll also be giving you 06:23.090 --> 06:25.410 the opportunity to engage directly with or. 06:25.960 --> 06:29.200 Analysts myself included and for about the last 30 minutes more 06:29.200 --> 06:32.240 session we're for wrapup it about four pm. 06:32.840 --> 06:37.140 The just briefly introduce are a members of the panel uh there's 06:37.140 --> 06:40.250 lots of biographical information on each of them and they're 06:40.250 --> 06:43.170 all distinguished interim right in a all represent the sense 06:43.170 --> 06:47.080 both the think Cancun the indy in other outlooks from a previous 06:47.080 --> 06:50.780 lives and other incarnation so take good diverse group up here 06:50.780 --> 06:54.860 in all of whom we've paid attention to studied researched and 06:54.860 --> 06:57.320 written about these issues ever can parting us. 06:57.850 --> 07:01.320 Up to my far left at the end of the table. We have doctor nor 07:01.320 --> 07:04.630 Benson L a whose titles verses of the mine quote director of 07:04.630 --> 07:06.980 the responsible defense program with me at the center for new 07:06.980 --> 07:10.240 American security and also a senior fellow they're pretty sweet 07:10.240 --> 07:14.080 depp the director studies a ban waste I see any S for about a 07:14.110 --> 07:17.050 free a happier is before that for about a lebanon a half years 07:17.520 --> 07:22.110 uh and re-enforce users senior political scientist and diddy 07:22.140 --> 07:25.830 smith in my work on call wish an operations don't ask don't tell 07:26.130 --> 07:29.340 now and the worse in iraq and Afghanistan strickly in a rock 07:29.800 --> 07:32.910 a again in his written instead each extensively on top which 07:32.910 --> 07:36.620 we talk about here today to verizon media right away out by a 07:36.620 --> 07:40.980 doctor stephen bucci. Mr. Ali the director of the allyson center 07:40.980 --> 07:46.130 for foreign and national security policy and heritage a and steve 07:46.130 --> 07:49.530 uh uh prior to that serving garment as a deputy assistant sector 07:49.530 --> 07:54.930 defends for homeland defense and esc airy also threaten steve it. 07:54.930 --> 07:57.480 I wouldn't no-doubt and indian I sat next to each other west 07:57.480 --> 08:00.190 point for about are part of three years at company tables and 08:00.190 --> 08:04.410 Co 's three uh as to the two way back when we were both younger 08:04.410 --> 08:06.090 fader smarter and better working. 08:07.020 --> 08:10.140 So it's great jesse there today as well uh I'd just ease a me 08:10.140 --> 08:14.080 a right to a of a back a step me santa prosper. Oh was a senior 08:14.080 --> 08:19.250 fellow at the CES I guess international security program here 08:19.250 --> 08:23.840 in DC. She's also as most of you-know-what recently offered a peace. 08:24.110 --> 08:27.350 I'm citizens orders at a time of transition looking at the army 08:27.350 --> 08:31.160 national guard and written obviously in and our research unspoken 08:31.160 --> 08:34.690 excessively on this topic and a my media left a board Thompson 08:34.690 --> 08:39.330 who's the CEO cheap. I'll bring officer of a non-profit watching 08:39.330 --> 08:42.140 tendency to which we get to read about almost are there was comp 08:42.140 --> 08:45.660 warring and is piece on the army that was out today also CEO 08:46.090 --> 08:50.970 of sources ocean to consultancy year uh in town and previously 08:50.970 --> 08:53.840 in an earlier incarnation. I remember my many years ago was that 08:53.840 --> 08:57.970 the director of Georgetown university's security studies program. 08:57.970 --> 09:01.440 We're both doctor Ben's alan. I now teach uh which is rather 09:01.470 --> 09:05.220 interesting closer quarter. So uh what's it of other way people 09:05.220 --> 09:07.390 what turner spam-y think will have a great discussion. 09:08.560 --> 09:09.690 My 10 is to. 09:10.230 --> 09:14.900 Go from a series of topics and actually identify some questions 09:15.320 --> 09:18.520 for our panelist answered not encouraged them that to be Rudy 09:18.520 --> 09:21.740 interrupt each other to continue discussion uh on the ends of 09:21.740 --> 09:25.090 each other's conversations raul try and moderate debtors we go 09:25.090 --> 09:29.330 through and or jelly guided cover series of topics that will 09:29.330 --> 09:32.320 look something like there's first to talk a bit about and each 09:32.320 --> 09:35.360 of these can be very brief work. We got of a tight time constrain 09:35.360 --> 09:38.620 used as you. Well mile probably about to a five to seven minutes 09:38.620 --> 09:41.330 on each these to there's been talk about the the broader context 09:41.670 --> 09:44.910 it the army is now trying to reshape itself in based on all the 09:44.910 --> 09:46.160 only was going on a world. 09:46.700 --> 09:50.690 A which will talk briefly about but also to be no kidding not 09:50.690 --> 09:54.920 going away. We are still a dramatic implications of the budget 09:54.920 --> 10:00.090 control act 50 doubt Sullivan what that means over the next five six eight 10 years. 10:00.620 --> 10:04.950 Or shiffer matt to look a bit Arabs uh the idea of reverse ability 10:04.950 --> 10:08.570 and expanse ability a acted look yet. How all the army which 10:08.570 --> 10:11.500 used in do probably gonna be getting smaller in the coming years 10:11.670 --> 10:15.320 it which same uh is thinking about that mission and what what 10:15.320 --> 10:18.350 it entails. What some of the challenges and out might be but 10:18.350 --> 10:23.580 I gonna turn to the the right AC rc max how to shape dead equation 10:23.580 --> 10:27.800 properly and make the right kind of investments now all in more 10:27.800 --> 10:29.170 a period of significant. 10:29.900 --> 10:33.080 The strategic inflection order make choices that an impact the 10:33.080 --> 10:34.820 forced the next 20 years how to make that. 10:35.720 --> 10:39.180 Decision set properly in to think about in in consulate deputy 10:39.180 --> 10:42.380 of interchange ability were that's wild-boar not what the pros 10:42.380 --> 10:46.540 and cons of the idea that actor of farmers are forces can or 10:46.540 --> 10:47.500 should be interchangeable. 10:48.580 --> 10:51.900 And finally last to cabbage we'll we'll talk briefly about how 10:51.900 --> 10:55.200 the United States army written more urge all three components 10:55.200 --> 10:59.700 to choose every community in america and what that means and 10:59.700 --> 11:03.060 ah that differentiates the army from the other services and then 11:03.090 --> 11:06.990 and a bit by talking about how the army tells its story which 11:06.990 --> 11:10.580 in a sense is that the purpose of. This week's conference seared 11:10.580 --> 11:14.150 a USA surviving pierce a sponsors and we urge would do what what 11:14.150 --> 11:17.190 are you that's a great deal of what these copper churh about. 11:17.190 --> 11:20.760 So critique dad a bit Bratz come up with some ideas and then 11:20.790 --> 11:23.680 at this point ventured overdue you for all for your questions 11:24.060 --> 11:27.770 to a further due to me a turn or for stop Anna all open up for 11:27.770 --> 11:29.960 discussion a panel to set the stage. 11:30.500 --> 11:33.930 We're in a different fireman do we were three years ago in four 11:33.930 --> 11:37.770 years ago a careers go one a budget control act passed in the 11:37.770 --> 11:41.550 summer few doubts Levin will finally get enacted in early 2012 11:41.550 --> 11:44.850 with sea quest ration Benny enforcement mechanism yet in the 11:44.850 --> 11:49.500 last six months eight ones 12 months a arguably no last several 11:49.500 --> 11:53.940 years we seen global insecurity rise. We've seen instability 11:53.970 --> 11:55.990 and parch the world are of vital. 11:56.570 --> 12:00.490 Concern denied stage. Good significantly worse a just in the 12:00.490 --> 12:05.120 last six months so long row we seen role until a unexpected threats 12:05.120 --> 12:08.710 or merge out of iraq and syria with places a now holding a chunk 12:08.710 --> 12:11.690 of territory they're the size of california and that would now 12:11.690 --> 12:16.350 of American troops in ehrman back and combat or almost combat 12:16.350 --> 12:19.980 operations or a we see insecurity in eastern europe were the 12:19.980 --> 12:25.380 russians shiv re asserted a themselves and seizing cry me a and 12:25.380 --> 12:28.810 putting pressure on ukraine. We generally see a world it's getting 12:28.920 --> 12:30.380 less secure or not more secure. 12:31.070 --> 12:35.730 Give us of armor for pah morsi are a digit still look to do with 12:35.730 --> 12:38.860 your expertise that we're gonna continue down a path. We are 12:38.860 --> 12:41.960 in terms of seek or tracing and those budget cuts and for others 12:42.330 --> 12:46.280 and now zeitlin impact your any turnip Bratz first got to Stephanie 12:46.280 --> 12:47.200 derek give us an bolton. 12:49.520 --> 12:53.710 I was like taking the fifth of first question I'm in what dave 12:53.710 --> 12:56.210 has it mention is that I spent quite a bit of time on capitol 12:56.210 --> 12:59.240 hill for the house our services committee staff and so for my 12:59.240 --> 13:02.490 perspective of for looking at that bc a caps and whether or not 13:02.520 --> 13:06.260 it's likely that they will continue I think it's best plan for 13:06.260 --> 13:09.690 the fact they will continue I'm in my estimation the bc a caps 13:09.690 --> 13:13.210 are set um if you ask me few years ago sequesters when happen 13:13.210 --> 13:16.780 I would've told you know um I would be pretty very very wrong 13:16.780 --> 13:20.730 and I think going forward. I'm smart planners will have to look 13:20.730 --> 13:24.870 at BBC a caps as said and I as a result um instead of focusing 13:24.870 --> 13:27.510 on numbers. I would encourage people to focus on capabilities. 13:27.510 --> 13:30.100 What exactly willy's ground forces for. 13:31.000 --> 13:34.700 Did we use them when russia invaded crimea. No are we gonna use 13:34.700 --> 13:38.680 them to come back people uh no we were looking at threats going forward. 13:38.680 --> 13:42.300 We really have to think about how will the military tackle these 13:42.300 --> 13:45.000 particular threats and what is the role of land forces going 13:45.000 --> 13:48.950 forward and as results you can you know it after you have that 13:48.950 --> 13:53.280 discussion you can men talk about AC rc mix to combat the threats. 13:53.310 --> 13:56.370 I'm that are merging in in what we're seeing in the world happen. 13:56.650 --> 14:00.920 I've no disagreement that instability is continuing in and and 14:00.920 --> 14:05.140 in some instances rising the the question that I to counting 14:05.170 --> 14:08.530 him approaching was pavel discussion is what is the role of land 14:08.530 --> 14:11.710 forces in can batting those threats and those are the kinds of questions. 14:11.710 --> 14:14.100 I think first and foremost we should be having a discussion about. 14:15.000 --> 14:18.300 Mm like they offer a slightly different point of view and um. 14:18.860 --> 14:22.250 This is pass each early in the new operating concept that says 14:22.250 --> 14:25.050 we don't know the enemies gonna be they don't know where we're 14:25.050 --> 14:27.940 gonna be fighting and we don't know what the coalition's are 14:27.940 --> 14:30.520 gonna be and that's kinda the way that the washington budget 14:30.520 --> 14:31.810 situation it's. 14:32.360 --> 14:35.390 We've had the sea quest creation provisions of the budget control 14:35.390 --> 14:38.970 act in effect for three years now and it's not a single year 14:38.970 --> 14:42.290 and was they been fully implemented congress always comes up 14:42.290 --> 14:46.170 with some palliative so that it doesn't quite get as bad as thick 14:46.170 --> 14:50.410 quitting a bit. I suspect we're going to model through in future 14:50.410 --> 14:54.840 years to but there's a bigger problem here at that transcends 14:54.840 --> 14:57.970 whatever legislation were subject to with budget time. 14:59.190 --> 15:00.110 The federal government. 15:00.620 --> 15:04.400 At this moment is borrowing. Over billion-dollar sit there. 15:05.030 --> 15:07.580 Than according to congressional budget office. We are at the 15:07.580 --> 15:11.070 lowest point we're going to be in the deficit touring this decade. 15:11.370 --> 15:16.410 It starts going up and subsequent years again sets that by 28een 15:16.410 --> 15:21.510 became ill to federal debt wilby 20 trillion dollars a think 15:21.510 --> 15:25.620 about what that means on a 20 trillion dollar debt 1% increase 15:25.620 --> 15:29.630 in interest rates mean needs 200 billion dollars more in all 15:29.630 --> 15:34.330 debts first about to retire debt the simply to sustain at self. 15:34.330 --> 15:39.590 We were to return to historic interest rates for 5% the government 15:39.590 --> 15:41.470 would be spending in 20 eighteen. 15:42.290 --> 15:45.470 Close to a trillion dollar senior and that cirques supporter 15:45.470 --> 15:48.820 of our budget today what that indicates. There's bc eight no 15:48.820 --> 15:53.140 be CA our problems with the the availability of resources a knock 15:53.140 --> 15:53.680 on goal way. 15:55.010 --> 15:58.160 She worries cuts main do of the army's capabilities of the venture 15:58.420 --> 16:02.470 a personally I think it's it's gotta have a huge effect that agree. 16:02.470 --> 16:06.310 I I think the budget control actually continue whether it's fully 16:06.310 --> 16:09.430 implement or partially implemented it still haven't a negative 16:09.430 --> 16:13.630 effect on on the military's ability to face these threats. 16:13.660 --> 16:14.780 I I don't think. 16:15.290 --> 16:18.840 Just as saying because we're not use no land forces against these 16:18.840 --> 16:22.090 threats a lot of that is not that they couldn't be helpful. 16:22.330 --> 16:25.350 It's that this particular vanished ration has chosen cute not 16:25.480 --> 16:28.160 use them that's their option they're the guys charge. 16:28.680 --> 16:30.550 Up but I have to pay they'd be. 16:31.120 --> 16:35.270 Just skills said Spain the abilities that we have in our military 16:35.270 --> 16:39.170 kick fellini army and avoiding core and in all three components 16:39.170 --> 16:41.020 of the army a horror. 16:41.740 --> 16:46.260 Wonderful there's a best I saw in might nearly 30 years on active 16:46.260 --> 16:50.070 duty in the year sense stand up but they're hirsch a ball skills 16:50.440 --> 16:54.780 in it you know trying effect of await you wind up having a full 16:54.780 --> 16:59.000 abby military like the one that dave and I joe Inc a long time 16:59.000 --> 17:02.090 ago which is Robie but flat because we didn't have any money 17:02.090 --> 17:03.330 to do any decent train. 17:04.130 --> 17:08.120 Work trending in that direction said now we have very small army. 17:08.750 --> 17:12.340 Comparatively we don't have cold war size in if. 17:12.850 --> 17:16.510 You have a nice Walt flappy army excuse the expression but we're 17:16.510 --> 17:21.230 screwed because we really don't have the ability to the following 17:21.280 --> 17:25.520 what the heck we're gonna have to use the military to do I tell 17:25.520 --> 17:29.120 a story my son is a captain in the army in in his uh it. 17:29.120 --> 17:33.120 Vance course one of his instructor said. Well you know we're 17:33.120 --> 17:35.480 not gonna do counterinsurgency anymore. 17:36.080 --> 17:39.060 And philip who has a really large keep his mouth shut knows kind 17:39.060 --> 17:42.340 situations says hand immediately went out the soul had a head 17:42.600 --> 17:45.770 can you say that so where's go right. It added doctor risotto 17:45.770 --> 17:47.000 do that sort of thing anymore. 17:47.620 --> 17:51.520 Uh in filler. So good luck with debt Cirque. But you know of 17:51.520 --> 17:54.120 the present jealous tickle fight in insurgency. We're gonna go 17:54.120 --> 17:55.110 fight in insurgency. 17:55.730 --> 18:01.470 Um. I I I have very very band feelings about. 18:02.310 --> 18:07.110 What the institution world. Do I have great faith in the resilience 18:07.140 --> 18:09.350 of the leaders and of soldiers. 18:09.860 --> 18:13.970 But I think work trending towards a a very dangerous thing intimate 18:13.970 --> 18:18.070 for the sat on the of whether or how you make go scotch which 18:18.100 --> 18:22.250 component does it look is an about which component gets caught. 18:22.540 --> 18:26.280 It's about the whole force. You know if we had learned anything 18:26.280 --> 18:28.970 in this 30 plush years. I've been involved with this is that 18:29.250 --> 18:34.340 it really is one team one fight it needs to be that is when we 18:34.340 --> 18:36.810 or at the best and you gotta pick. 18:37.450 --> 18:40.730 The whole thing not just let's take care of this component in 18:40.730 --> 18:43.980 this component and going scroll itself. You've got to take care 18:43.980 --> 18:48.210 of the whole thing together because with our behold to mean we're 18:48.210 --> 18:52.030 in deep trouble. So we got for decide a lot of those things and 18:52.030 --> 18:54.990 I'm sure all makes more enemies later we get this other subjects 18:55.340 --> 18:58.870 but you know that's the way to cuts need to be made based on 18:58.870 --> 18:59.940 fish Dragon she. 19:00.530 --> 19:02.460 And in need not. 19:03.250 --> 19:06.370 Taking care of my piece of the pocket were was villa never meant 19:06.370 --> 19:09.210 any idea of a would we know the structure coming been maybe a 19:09.210 --> 19:13.050 slightly more last uh the oprah money may help offer some the 19:13.050 --> 19:15.950 cuts but where there's a fundamental question here of is the 19:15.950 --> 19:18.370 army is taught by whether all be proportionate crotch where there 19:18.370 --> 19:21.290 are be proportional reduction news when we way one part of the 19:21.290 --> 19:25.560 force a more heavily in terms of keeping Cape Ortiz was a look 19:25.560 --> 19:28.560 from your perspective my decision that it be bills exactly on 19:28.560 --> 19:31.200 Steve's white which I think he said very eloquently and I'm just 19:31.200 --> 19:35.500 gonna you know hammer home um. Yeah at a time when gave it to 19:35.500 --> 19:38.620 challenges out there are uncertain we don't know when land forces 19:38.620 --> 19:42.000 will be needed to be used in the future even though I agree with stuffing. 19:42.000 --> 19:45.370 Um. You know current out lock on it's really important to maximize 19:45.370 --> 19:48.520 lan capabilities to the greatest extent possible underneath. 19:48.520 --> 19:51.020 These budget conditions which I agree with the other panelists 19:51.230 --> 19:53.620 if I i've made and be a little bit more pessimistic about the 19:53.620 --> 19:55.650 prospects for sick restoration relief. I think there's a good 19:55.650 --> 19:59.140 chances gimme nosey castration a leaf and fiscal 16 for variety 19:59.140 --> 20:03.100 of political reasons. So it is up to the army the total army 20:03.250 --> 20:06.260 to figure out these issues working together are far more as a 20:06.260 --> 20:08.880 team that I think the the army has so far. 20:09.390 --> 20:11.720 In order to do that I think you need to take the army will need 20:11.720 --> 20:15.390 to take all assumptions about how things work off the table beat 20:15.420 --> 20:18.740 the army is a great institution but has a tendency to look back 20:18.740 --> 20:21.910 on its own history and say we tried that it didn't work and therefore 20:21.910 --> 20:25.710 it's not worth trying again. I'm in it in a trade worth resources 20:25.710 --> 20:28.730 are going to be this tight and maximizing capabilities is that 20:28.730 --> 20:32.220 important questions like whether it should be proportional cuts 20:32.220 --> 20:35.200 are asymmetric cuts and not is not the right question to ask 20:35.400 --> 20:38.370 questions about whether they're a good garden Ridge surf should 20:38.370 --> 20:41.670 be a strategic or operational was or not the right question to 20:41.670 --> 20:44.790 ask the question is how can you use all forces to their maximum 20:44.790 --> 20:48.470 capabilities one of the things that i've written about is misses 20:48.470 --> 20:51.790 a somewhat controversial idea. We may one eight even get a really 20:51.840 --> 20:54.530 read of the mental concept. I know we can't the system push the 20:54.530 --> 20:57.880 organizations but get rid of the concept of active and reserve 20:57.880 --> 21:01.340 forces in our minds and think about all forces in terms of their 21:01.340 --> 21:04.440 deployment time lines. You know at what are currently active 21:04.440 --> 21:07.870 forces would be the first ones out the door. What are you know 21:07.900 --> 21:11.360 that current lee carter a lower status reserve forces. 21:11.360 --> 21:15.300 Maybe you know with 12 months morning up to deploy like there 21:15.300 --> 21:18.270 may be space for example to create for forces that are going 21:18.270 --> 21:21.550 to to play some more in the six to 12 month period from worn 21:21.550 --> 21:25.390 a more from the beginning of an operation some sort of combination 21:25.420 --> 21:28.560 of what are currently active and reserve forces that could be 21:28.720 --> 21:31.690 a sly are slightly higher readiness and built up to go out the 21:31.690 --> 21:34.750 door in that time line every time I mentioned as people from 21:34.750 --> 21:37.190 the army prickly post the active and reserve components come 21:37.190 --> 21:39.640 up to me and tell me all the reasons why that can never happen 21:39.640 --> 21:42.730 and why that didn't work in the past and my answer to that is 21:42.730 --> 21:45.850 it is so important that we get this right to be maximise capabilities 21:45.850 --> 21:48.430 that we need to throat out every assumption about how this work 21:48.430 --> 21:51.990 in the past started first principles and then see if it's a good idea. 21:52.080 --> 21:54.570 Maybe it's not a good idea. But the reasons why it might not 21:54.570 --> 21:57.370 work in the future. They have very little to do with why it didn't 21:57.370 --> 21:58.140 work in the past. 21:59.210 --> 21:59.840 Stephanie gonna. 22:00.410 --> 22:03.500 Than I was just gonna common um. It's it's something that that 22:03.500 --> 22:04.380 steve alluded to it. 22:06.030 --> 22:09.490 This does need to be won T one fight um. I've noted over the 22:09.490 --> 22:10.620 last two years. 22:11.360 --> 22:13.660 The real de generation in the dialogue. 22:14.800 --> 22:16.520 Based on tensions that have existed. 22:17.030 --> 22:20.070 Driven a large part because a fiscal constraints and financial constraints. 22:20.840 --> 22:24.810 This tension is on helpful not only to the internal army debate. 22:24.810 --> 22:26.770 But I think the national security writ large. 22:27.350 --> 22:28.830 You know it is one team one fight. 22:29.450 --> 22:32.750 The rhetoric is out there saying that's true but in the internal 22:32.750 --> 22:35.690 budget debates. You know I keep you crack that that curtain. 22:36.200 --> 22:39.070 I mean there is some real protectionist tendencies coming to 22:39.070 --> 22:42.620 light in terms that you know you always hear of the magic numbers 22:42.620 --> 22:43.360 for fifty. 22:44.250 --> 22:45.780 Well not for the total army. 22:46.510 --> 22:49.410 That is not the magic number that's an active component number 22:49.740 --> 22:53.290 um and when you talk about budget and numbers being driven by 22:53.290 --> 22:56.590 and if you don't and strength and and what for structure looks like. 22:57.100 --> 22:59.730 I grade a call heartily went with snoring you sort of have to 22:59.730 --> 23:03.190 throw out what didn't work in the past and come back to first principles. 23:03.240 --> 23:06.760 Why do we have ground forces what do we want them to do. 23:07.310 --> 23:10.070 What does the president the administration want them to do what 23:10.070 --> 23:13.950 does always C to steal and than have that conversation about 23:13.950 --> 23:17.400 what are the requirements and late forces against those requirements. 23:17.610 --> 23:21.060 Let's get out of this mindset that you know the magic numbers 23:21.060 --> 23:24.860 for 50 or higher that's an active construct we need to have a 23:24.860 --> 23:27.940 total forced discussion. I agree with that you know what. 23:28.670 --> 23:32.420 To what an 86000 members of the year and the army national guard 23:32.420 --> 23:36.670 deployed to a rat and yet sometimes today when you listen to 23:36.670 --> 23:40.270 the people and the active component talk about planning for the future. 23:40.270 --> 23:44.180 You think this was post vietnam rather than poster and and and 23:44.180 --> 23:45.430 they seem intent on. 23:46.010 --> 23:49.210 The dow going beat the reserve component when in fact there's 23:49.210 --> 23:53.660 probably no way we can sustain and adequately size force where 23:53.660 --> 23:57.200 all the nursery competence sees unless we rely heavily on the 23:57.200 --> 23:59.120 research for the foreseeable future. 24:00.620 --> 24:03.670 The sun but there were civilian expanse bought agent bill donna's 24:03.740 --> 24:08.260 this very topic uh the army clearly has been given guidance from uh. 24:08.260 --> 24:11.630 Oh westy in white our says 20 gets smaller it may be taking a 24:11.630 --> 24:14.560 larger share of the cuts of any of the forster versus out there 24:15.030 --> 24:19.110 but Moist the guides also told the army as you get smaller him 24:19.110 --> 24:22.410 whatever and state number and strength them are you ride that 24:22.410 --> 24:26.680 it and it's the Final point abolish you have to build a reversed 24:26.680 --> 24:29.750 those touchy a thrill it span again rapidly should the nation 24:29.750 --> 24:33.110 require more land force their work when when vesta and right 24:33.110 --> 24:36.620 now that's a fairly big charter to rehab which johnny doing to 24:36.710 --> 24:40.090 think about fission were so many options after she huge botched 24:40.270 --> 24:44.130 a with all due respect to the coolest guy guidance shoot bowling. 24:44.130 --> 24:46.330 There. The the of what I did you wrote baggage from when I'm 24:46.330 --> 24:49.540 not I'm not second most moderate and a lot of are still thinks 24:49.540 --> 24:54.610 that one one of the uh uh that's all I mean in today's world. 24:54.910 --> 24:58.190 You know that that idea of reverse ability is is a fiction. 24:58.440 --> 24:59.220 I mean it breasts. 24:59.220 --> 25:03.750 Well. But polar often is darn near impossible and the kinda time 25:03.750 --> 25:08.270 winds that we have to execute things today stuff happens fat ass. 25:09.020 --> 25:12.640 I it is in with me when we would have the deal luxury that we 25:12.640 --> 25:16.370 had in the first goal for golden up forces for for months and 25:16.370 --> 25:20.440 months before we we get that operation things are happening very 25:20.440 --> 25:25.530 quickly and in it a lot of cases you know that this idea of all day. 25:25.530 --> 25:29.080 Now we're take Arce Wall flappy army that we have untrained and 25:29.080 --> 25:32.430 we don't have enough of a now we're gonna not we delete opting 25:32.430 --> 25:34.890 get it really tight and ready to fight again but we're gonna 25:34.890 --> 25:39.860 grohl weld the only expand ability you have is is the reserve component. 25:40.340 --> 25:44.730 That's why it's so critical that we don't have. 25:45.340 --> 25:49.010 You know any sort of just mirror images for the sake have under 25:49.010 --> 25:53.600 images that we have a force that we call everybody to the table. 25:54.110 --> 25:57.910 Because we gotta do it today that they all show lot Benny have 25:57.910 --> 26:02.480 with dreams of things that they need to do for this now expanded 26:02.520 --> 26:04.660 army to to do what it has to do. 26:05.180 --> 26:08.440 That is critical you're not gonna recruit people and suddenly 26:08.440 --> 26:12.640 trader from scratch that it takes to or to take early with the 26:12.640 --> 26:16.040 connock technical know wow when stuff that our soldiers and need 26:16.280 --> 26:20.100 to do their jobs to this isn't just pee joint which and a rifle 26:20.100 --> 26:23.340 the ball. What's come out. I kissel harder than that now what 26:23.340 --> 26:27.450 days in even know where the best utilitarian world at training people. 26:28.030 --> 26:31.190 To clear on people up it takes time. 26:31.740 --> 26:36.090 So the idea of expanding any of the three components all long 26:36.510 --> 26:41.350 is a fiction the only expand ability you have is by bringing 26:41.350 --> 26:45.030 the three components together and have an and keech do the jobs 26:45.120 --> 26:48.510 that they're trying to do nor a total what about the idea of 26:48.550 --> 26:53.250 taking away be evenly via a label of being actor vergara or sermons 26:53.250 --> 26:56.130 think about the force without first constrain china and and designing 26:56.130 --> 26:59.480 it based on deployed Doherty in availability to go out the door 26:59.480 --> 27:01.130 and richard time munchkin expanded but. 27:01.740 --> 27:06.460 Yeah I I agree that the V reserve component is where it when 27:06.460 --> 27:08.820 you if you have to re brother force quickly worry about and go 27:08.820 --> 27:12.540 first I think very often particularly when the active army talks 27:12.540 --> 27:16.370 about it. It seems to be a discussion of new units from scratch um. 27:16.450 --> 27:19.840 I think boded but I I did that agree with your basic plane that 27:19.870 --> 27:23.540 you did you can do this quickly and you know and you suffer real consequences. 27:23.540 --> 27:26.970 If you do what that said I think it's absolutely vital that the 27:26.970 --> 27:30.220 army be thinking about how to do this anyway and perfect the 27:30.220 --> 27:33.610 latest because the call is going to come sunday to regrow the 27:33.610 --> 27:36.710 force whether we like it or not even if it has all of the negative 27:36.710 --> 27:40.680 consequences that that I agree with hewitt could. Well have to 27:40.680 --> 27:44.810 make it as painless as possible even if it's still extraordinarily 27:44.810 --> 27:47.700 painful and and difficult and not the right about the way that 27:47.700 --> 27:50.560 you would think about force plank. I think a lot of as design 27:50.560 --> 27:53.700 principles to the extent that you can need to be built in into 27:53.700 --> 27:57.610 the draw down to make it again. You know at least not as bad 27:57.640 --> 28:00.620 as it would be otherwise if you didn't do that I think one of 28:00.620 --> 28:04.040 the key ways that you do that. I'm is that you think about how 28:04.040 --> 28:07.720 you would use the reserve component both the research and a guard 28:08.070 --> 28:12.190 to uh to use it to to build up those capabilities quickly to 28:12.190 --> 28:15.490 bring them or an to active status. If you needed to you in a 28:15.490 --> 28:18.550 much more creative way than we thought in the past. I also think 28:18.550 --> 28:21.630 that as the army draws down it forces it needs to prioritize 28:21.630 --> 28:24.040 this goes against a lot. You know the that tendency to wanna 28:24.040 --> 28:27.180 keep capabilities of the plenty ended the spirit. I completely 28:27.180 --> 28:28.850 understand why you do that. 28:29.360 --> 28:32.120 But there needs to be some sort of this is not the right freezing 28:32.120 --> 28:35.880 but some sort of guy training contrary available people but I 28:35.950 --> 28:40.370 do have the ability to train people who were coming and uh it 28:40.430 --> 28:43.890 either from reserve status first to get them a up to speed if 28:43.890 --> 28:47.130 they're going to deploy quickly and then to grow nanny new units. 28:47.130 --> 28:50.300 If you have to do it again the moment I say grown any new units 28:50.690 --> 28:52.950 everybody says well we just tried that with a racket was this 28:52.950 --> 28:56.780 disaster it took forever um that maybe so we need to look back 28:56.780 --> 28:59.970 at that experience why it was so painful and slow. I don't believe 28:59.970 --> 29:03.640 the answer is just because it takes a long time to grow units 29:03.640 --> 29:06.980 or maybe some other policies procedures ways of approaching it 29:07.270 --> 29:09.780 uh uh that might not have made it fast enough. But certainly 29:09.780 --> 29:14.190 faster and faster would be better one it sounds to me like from 29:14.220 --> 29:17.610 from much shows that said that there's an implication to relying 29:17.610 --> 29:22.140 on the research for any kind of rapid. Expansion over versatility 29:22.270 --> 29:26.290 to in the event of an emergency. The spot and not just to have 29:26.290 --> 29:29.920 a lot of combat experience residing in the room and the reserve 29:30.050 --> 29:33.880 on in in fact five six years now the preposterous over combat 29:33.880 --> 29:37.920 expereinced fabian the research given turnover in enact forced but. 29:38.570 --> 29:43.580 And also sounds so the research half-term me or the. Capabilities 29:44.010 --> 29:46.820 of the active duty force. You can have some sort of division 29:46.820 --> 29:51.730 of labor for all the Apache pilots are are in one component and 29:51.730 --> 29:55.270 everybody in the end of research for flying a ya'll BlackRock 29:55.270 --> 29:58.500 in-home bearing. The clothes. How do you like county you you 29:58.500 --> 30:02.060 know turn that around and expanded tank killing capabilities 30:02.060 --> 30:06.100 quickly and an emergency it seems. The seems inevitable that 30:06.100 --> 30:09.840 it that's free money turn for most of the reverse ability Bennett 30:09.840 --> 30:13.730 card has to have much the same capability sissy active duty force. 30:14.580 --> 30:17.370 The same for 22 I wanna Terje inaction him again. 30:17.960 --> 30:21.660 Most of their own no walls like back to last a year old and the 30:21.660 --> 30:24.990 cutie are in all the contentious debates around that instantly. 30:25.020 --> 30:28.430 You know joe rossi a who was the head of the army to your mission 30:28.820 --> 30:32.600 that in a bit of up a food fight in the press on whether or a 30:32.600 --> 30:35.120 actor gardeners are munition be entertained or not that debate 30:35.150 --> 30:38.890 is is still active uh there are various opinions on that there 30:38.890 --> 30:43.020 are pros and cons beach-side probably the most visible symbol 30:43.020 --> 30:46.730 of that right now that's still a new term earned his first it's 30:46.730 --> 30:49.890 the ultimate outcome is the army restructuring initiative. 30:49.890 --> 30:53.030 It is long talked about putting all the Apaches in the act of 30:53.030 --> 30:55.070 brothers other elements of that as well. 30:55.580 --> 30:58.140 Um was talk but that all the does it make sense in which the 30:58.140 --> 31:01.960 russian owl for are having forces you interchange a were specializing 31:01.960 --> 31:04.060 these two forces and somewhat seven. 31:04.740 --> 31:08.860 When thinking I'm that I I fall back on the letter that the to 31:08.860 --> 31:12.240 coach or so the house caucus for the guard and reserves and duck 31:12.240 --> 31:15.240 an honor and that to mosque put out and many said they call the 31:15.280 --> 31:18.370 irresponsible to say that forces orange interchangeable they'd 31:18.370 --> 31:19.260 be pointed out that. 31:20.030 --> 31:25.280 You know the AC and the rc both have five a side by side um integrated 31:25.320 --> 31:28.960 out in the field and that to to say that they aren't interchangeable 31:28.990 --> 31:30.400 is in fact. Irresponsible. 31:32.330 --> 31:35.050 I think you have to recognize when. 31:35.660 --> 31:38.750 When the army rolled out there 80 Sri shushing initiative. 31:39.500 --> 31:43.570 They of the opportunities to tell a story um and it coupled um. 31:43.600 --> 31:47.110 They did not tell the story. Well um you know when you when you 31:47.110 --> 31:50.130 have something like the aviation restructuring initiative. 31:51.170 --> 31:54.030 You have to talk to all stakeholders and I don't think that happened. 31:54.060 --> 31:56.600 I think when you talk about an interchange ability you have to 31:56.600 --> 32:00.080 talk about you know why you again I go back to why'd you have 32:00.080 --> 32:02.960 the forces that you do and what are you going asked them to do. 32:03.840 --> 32:06.880 Then you have to look back at enact what who's trained on what 32:06.880 --> 32:10.340 platform why you did it that way I'm and before you going to 32:10.340 --> 32:13.680 make a significant shift figure out what the second and third 32:13.680 --> 32:17.330 order affects our and so I I grew that was a a lauren when you 32:17.330 --> 32:21.230 say and hold you know I'm noticing that all the time was keep 32:21.230 --> 32:23.790 agreeing with each other stealthily we get to some contentious issues. 32:23.790 --> 32:27.930 It's um fight um. But even you can if you're going to rely on 32:27.930 --> 32:30.470 your reserve component whether it's the garter the reserves you 32:30.470 --> 32:34.140 need to keep keep it barely in the company you can't just. 32:34.900 --> 32:38.010 Move it out and then expect everyone to think. Oh what a great 32:38.010 --> 32:40.780 idea that it on and we can talk more about that when the we get 32:40.780 --> 32:43.220 to be telling the story part um but I think. 32:43.740 --> 32:46.720 The they are I get aviation restructuring issues probably in 32:46.750 --> 32:48.340 a really good example of how not to do that. 32:48.950 --> 32:51.860 Um and uh and I'll be to talk about that later she payout of 32:51.860 --> 32:54.760 throw that you know what into the punch ball um. 32:55.580 --> 32:58.910 Look they yelled when when the army started doing this and then 32:58.910 --> 33:02.350 they brought in folks and talk to us about it began. Yes for 33:02.350 --> 33:06.180 ping in error dr. Brazen awesome. What they come up with a it 33:06.180 --> 33:10.610 was clear to me dictated had look did this systems and said look 33:10.610 --> 33:11.040 we got. 33:11.700 --> 33:15.070 Some new helicopters over here. We got some old helicopters over 33:15.070 --> 33:18.530 there had a we keep his many of the new ones as possible and 33:18.530 --> 33:22.650 still do that nations. And uh to be honest with you and more 33:22.650 --> 33:26.740 understanding was a planet was come up with bite working level. 33:26.740 --> 33:30.660 Folks it was in you know driven from the top politically pot 33:30.660 --> 33:34.390 which is fry why this story yet tall quite the way it might have 33:34.850 --> 33:39.380 a and they also look good. You know what would be most useful 33:39.420 --> 33:43.590 to to the guardian do in the mission that they do more often 33:43.590 --> 33:47.280 than others which is all of their domestic missions. I'll I get 33:47.280 --> 33:51.160 to a in my experience and i've fought with the guard i've trying 33:51.160 --> 33:54.920 with the guard a lot in in the special ops communities uh. 33:54.980 --> 33:58.380 There's no mission that you are the national guard cannot do it. 33:59.090 --> 34:04.200 No. But it does it mean that they have to do every single mission 34:04.200 --> 34:04.980 that's out there. 34:05.810 --> 34:08.180 Alright we don't have enough people. 34:08.700 --> 34:12.770 To have two armies like the Saudi you array pianist. 34:13.610 --> 34:16.410 Alright they do would be because they wanna watch each other 34:16.450 --> 34:20.960 we don't do that uh we do it because we wanna have an ability 34:21.220 --> 34:24.820 to expand but neither were of the components. 34:25.590 --> 34:30.080 Organ it be able to expand to be separate individual. 34:30.890 --> 34:33.880 Totally independent entities a really wish we were gonna have 34:33.880 --> 34:36.790 that it doesn't look like for the foreseeable future. We're gonna 34:36.790 --> 34:40.360 come in here that so we gotta find ways to do things. 34:40.980 --> 34:45.520 Weight that maximize the use of the best platforms we have as 34:45.520 --> 34:49.240 that involves move winsome stuff around and we don't have a mirror 34:49.270 --> 34:54.090 image there in the nation would be better surfed to allow that 34:54.090 --> 34:58.440 to happen that is insane one force is a west and the other piece 34:58.440 --> 35:03.000 of a force people who who when Pew dad are raul and 35:04.370 --> 35:08.590 But we've gotta put is side some of the political stuff in look yet. 35:08.880 --> 35:13.600 The mission was that the nation needs the entire army to do. 35:14.520 --> 35:18.970 And come up with the best player in that way not defending turf 35:19.070 --> 35:23.300 not saying it work better than the skies trail like that old 35:23.300 --> 35:27.140 let none since the should be put aside and that just I'm throwing 35:27.140 --> 35:32.930 nonsense on everybody not born in particular group I and come 35:32.930 --> 35:37.050 up with a ploy and then there's surfers that nation and their 35:37.050 --> 35:42.580 soldiers that all say us army across their chests not. 35:43.200 --> 35:44.210 Anything else. 35:44.950 --> 35:47.810 But you know the founding fathers wrote the constitution on the 35:47.810 --> 35:52.050 assessed my world. Basically self thick that's because I'm protecting 35:52.050 --> 35:55.690 my serve. Right turf ended personal my own self interest. 35:56.210 --> 35:57.420 Doesn't mean um we're all. 35:57.990 --> 36:02.300 They Paid when you when you look that you're right. Well right 36:02.360 --> 36:06.730 to be inside al mandeville lied to and in what he said of course 36:06.730 --> 36:10.190 we don't have the ability to sustain the UAW armies fifthly insists 36:10.190 --> 36:13.490 that the active duty component asked to do everything for a protracted 36:13.490 --> 36:17.150 period of time. But this plan for getting rid of the armed derail 36:17.150 --> 36:21.590 scout and going with a sort of half baked idea of Apaches teamed 36:21.590 --> 36:22.500 with you wait these. 36:23.020 --> 36:25.710 This was some new did come from the top became the top and the 36:25.710 --> 36:28.730 for a budget control acted took the billion-dollar see you read 36:28.730 --> 36:33.150 of aviation modernisation side and make it fit and they decided well. 36:33.680 --> 36:37.200 When we're gonna. Okay maybe be away from serve compostable have 36:37.200 --> 36:40.210 as many aviation Brigade that test what none of them are gonna 36:40.210 --> 36:43.950 be flying Apaches. I don't think this is the way you get toll 36:43.950 --> 36:48.220 force that has resilience over time because there's no research 36:48.620 --> 36:50.930 if the active duty force is all for one. 36:52.100 --> 36:56.180 Barbara a step range point from and um the idea of geared to 36:56.180 --> 36:59.610 the more strategic goal looking ahead over the next several years 36:59.970 --> 37:03.590 time with a new are cheaper separate of war with some other opportunities 37:03.590 --> 37:07.660 after perhaps to repair or some others relationship you have 37:07.660 --> 37:11.160 dinners and a example working with the last couple years or other 37:11.160 --> 37:14.880 servers for a lot of these issues ever public way and up with 37:14.880 --> 37:18.620 a commission which perhaps help to george's only change their 37:18.620 --> 37:21.800 that did looks much different to yours are any lessons are porsche. 37:22.270 --> 37:24.540 Yeah I think they're a lot a lessons there and Franklin this 37:24.540 --> 37:27.580 will make made probably more unpopular than anybody else on the 37:27.580 --> 37:30.420 panel for at least for saying this first even if you agree with 37:30.420 --> 37:33.530 me the army needs a congressional commission to study this issue 37:33.730 --> 37:36.830 the two parties and and the two components do not have enough 37:36.830 --> 37:40.550 mutual trust. I reach a belief that everybody's on the same page 37:40.550 --> 37:45.360 to a adequately figure out this problem on their around um. 37:45.390 --> 37:49.260 I hate saying that I think that there is you know there is nobody this. 37:49.330 --> 37:51.970 I don't wanna get into the of who's more blame. There's you know 37:51.970 --> 37:55.210 both sides have contributed to this it's not healthy for the nation. 37:55.210 --> 37:58.250 I think you're gonna hear us all come back to that I as outside 37:58.250 --> 38:01.510 observer's of this process. It's about quite dismaying and I 38:01.510 --> 38:03.870 think that a commission is going to be the only way to at least 38:03.870 --> 38:08.780 tried to get some independent analysis a two to deal with that 38:08.810 --> 38:13.000 debate um. If what I just said doesn't make me the least popular 38:13.000 --> 38:16.240 person in the room this. Well um there's a lot that the army 38:16.240 --> 38:18.580 can learn from the air force on that's the or force headed to 38:18.610 --> 38:22.210 on active reserve bloodbath of about three four years ago. 38:22.580 --> 38:26.360 I'm in ways that to a you get the army's right now. That's public 38:26.390 --> 38:29.400 of fratricide is worse than what the air force did but at the 38:29.400 --> 38:33.290 time it was almost unprecedented in how each side was going after 38:33.290 --> 38:36.530 the other in public I'm in their it the congressional commission 38:36.530 --> 38:39.660 help to there are but what also help and I think this is less 38:39.660 --> 38:43.260 appreciated is that away a new chief of staff of the air force 38:43.260 --> 38:46.380 came in general. Well she made one of his highest per Ari's resolving 38:46.380 --> 38:49.580 the conflict through a number of different mechanism and including 38:49.580 --> 38:54.280 establishing a panel of three to star generals one from the acted 38:54.310 --> 38:56.810 active forces one from the reserve and one from the national 38:56.810 --> 39:00.580 guard that panel not only make recommendations on how to proceed 39:00.580 --> 39:04.480 but um has continued to operate beyond that as a way of bringing 39:04.510 --> 39:08.220 everybody together and starting to restore that trust. I think 39:08.220 --> 39:10.980 that will be one of the critical tasks facing the next chief 39:10.980 --> 39:14.400 of staff of the army on and this is no personal disrespect a 39:14.400 --> 39:16.950 general Odierno but once you've been caught up and that debate 39:16.950 --> 39:20.170 you no longer have credibility but the other side. I DB2 change 39:20.170 --> 39:22.710 in leadership for a fresh start the matter could those individuals 39:22.710 --> 39:26.090 have and and I think that will be one of the most important things 39:26.090 --> 39:28.560 that the new chief of staff of the are made taking office next 39:28.560 --> 39:29.610 year can prioritize. 39:30.320 --> 39:33.250 They're setting of invited spell on that I I grew tomorrow that 39:33.280 --> 39:36.410 a commission that is coming and and and it is in fact necessary 39:36.750 --> 39:40.710 I would say that um you know there was the the commission on 39:40.710 --> 39:43.800 the future structure of the air force. I think any commission 39:43.800 --> 39:46.970 that looks at army issues needs to focus on slightly different things. 39:47.000 --> 39:48.720 It's not going to be you know. 39:49.490 --> 39:52.660 The same kind of commission part to looking a love forces it's 39:52.660 --> 39:56.200 going to need to like in some very different issues the way the 39:56.450 --> 40:00.390 air national guard integrates with the air force is very different 40:00.390 --> 40:04.330 from the way the army national guard will have to integrate at 40:04.330 --> 40:08.430 some point better with the act of kind of the army and so as 40:08.430 --> 40:11.360 resolved commission mommy to like it's a different things um 40:11.390 --> 40:15.270 I also am in favor of a total forced task force. I think what 40:15.300 --> 40:16.790 drove gentle last to do that. 40:17.350 --> 40:20.780 Um is some personal experiences have with the are barred. 40:21.020 --> 40:24.540 I'm hopeful that the new um chief of staff of the army will be 40:24.570 --> 40:29.190 as open astronaut Welch had been to looking at like Rowing your 40:29.190 --> 40:31.800 sleeves up and taking a look at what is wrong. 40:32.360 --> 40:35.390 With the relationship between the act of and fun and reserve 40:35.390 --> 40:36.840 component and really. 40:38.090 --> 40:42.450 No no crap fixing. It um take a I mean really take a hard look 40:42.450 --> 40:45.480 at it and in ways that you can do in an internal task force the 40:45.480 --> 40:49.090 to can't Tijuana public commission that we're commissioners are 40:49.150 --> 40:52.820 chosen in in many respects by the political leadership and so 40:52.820 --> 40:55.700 I think you need both elements the take up a long hard look. 40:56.500 --> 41:00.660 And at some point have some accountability for enacting the recommendations 41:00.660 --> 41:04.390 that makes sense um and taking a step further. I think when the 41:04.390 --> 41:08.580 air force condition activation came out with their recommendations I'm. 41:09.540 --> 41:13.120 They were sort of press decided. First uh and and I think any 41:13.150 --> 41:16.410 commission on on the army needs to actually have some accountability 41:16.410 --> 41:18.900 in implementing the recommendations again the ones that make 41:18.900 --> 41:20.140 the most sense state. 41:20.810 --> 41:24.200 Hot excuse me for saying is there's good Stephanie she worked 41:24.200 --> 41:24.930 on the hailed but. 41:25.480 --> 41:28.540 I think it's embarrassing that the people it gave us the budget 41:28.540 --> 41:31.400 control like in the first place the most dysfunctional. 41:32.670 --> 41:34.360 Organization i've ever happy. 41:35.060 --> 41:38.160 Dismay to work with that that converse is gonna sit there and 41:38.550 --> 41:41.420 take a bunch of men and women who fought together for a darn 41:41.530 --> 41:44.000 decade. Side-By-Side. 41:45.470 --> 41:50.590 Day after day and that we can sit down with store leaders more 41:50.590 --> 41:53.080 professional liter star not people would do it. 41:54.530 --> 41:59.250 Now one man they do it 24 seven can sit down and figure out the 41:59.400 --> 42:00.160 best way. 42:00.850 --> 42:05.410 Two pretty or me tingle forbids for structure to serve this country. 42:06.140 --> 42:09.790 I I greet will probably end up having a commission but I for 42:09.790 --> 42:13.670 one and dish dress that we've got a go-to that and have to turn 42:13.670 --> 42:17.800 to congress to with Judy Kate between a bunch of people who who 42:17.800 --> 42:21.180 it's for together. I think that's an embarrassment all of us 42:21.500 --> 42:24.100 but I think it's good for what we're gonna end up with. 42:24.800 --> 42:29.040 Nation here straw to mention that combine are two topics on the 42:29.040 --> 42:32.770 army touching every community it's out there in the army research 42:32.770 --> 42:36.700 centers national bar armoury asian active duty posts in every 42:36.700 --> 42:39.440 community across america and also the idea telling a mystery 42:39.440 --> 42:43.350 that to lose going hand in hand in in many different ways calling 42:43.460 --> 42:46.810 straw the latter the army seems to have more difficulty telling 42:46.810 --> 42:50.840 a story arguably even any of the other searches it. It's prize 42:50.840 --> 42:54.620 and a ever word america in ways that bubbling foreign media reading 42:54.620 --> 42:55.690 your forces not. 42:56.330 --> 43:00.160 On why is that what what can your me be doing take about this differently. 43:01.110 --> 43:05.720 Or But you know of no I don't think is a question that the navy 43:05.720 --> 43:10.520 in the marine syrup that topped the list in terms of public communications effectiveness. 43:11.180 --> 43:14.490 Think the a beer forced me on we're kind of a high competition 43:14.580 --> 43:16.940 seen who can't be the least affected up. 43:17.480 --> 43:20.730 Uh it you just look at the air force can you think of the single 43:20.730 --> 43:23.960 air force weapons program that has been controversial in the 43:23.960 --> 43:27.090 last 10 years they always fit into problem. No matter what the 43:27.090 --> 43:31.420 left the system as A in the case is the army. I think the problem 43:31.420 --> 43:35.610 is that it's not really the key focuses sake picture system. 43:35.640 --> 43:40.890 Our concept around which the institution can-can rallied to make 43:40.890 --> 43:41.690 its case. 43:42.230 --> 43:44.990 Uh if you just look at some of the commons the chief is made 43:44.990 --> 43:47.800 lately he's really been out there telling the story. 43:48.490 --> 43:51.620 But he says reading this is a grave concern. 43:52.530 --> 43:57.070 All the main ones that name to of congress for four or five people 43:57.100 --> 43:58.120 have been search. 43:58.700 --> 44:04.030 For about a electorate were only point 5% is calmly in any branch 44:04.030 --> 44:07.530 of a millimetre doesn't really mean anything it's an abstraction 44:07.840 --> 44:11.520 and make if you want to tell the story of soldiers effectively 44:11.920 --> 44:16.350 you have to explain to people but the human consequences of not 44:16.380 --> 44:19.930 being ready in the next four or the need to go to the tell us 44:19.930 --> 44:23.680 a contest that I'm not here to get more money. I'm here to save 44:23.710 --> 44:26.930 your children from being killed unnecessarily conflict. 44:27.290 --> 44:28.360 That's why I'm here. 44:28.990 --> 44:33.460 Nobody seems ones say bet nor I oh I agree with that but I think 44:33.460 --> 44:37.100 that's not sufficient. I think it's a broader problem that the 44:37.190 --> 44:41.220 army it a a struggles with it. It seems incapable most to times 44:41.220 --> 44:44.640 talking to people clearly who were not in the army it tends to 44:44.640 --> 44:48.540 talk to itself it uses jargon and internal language and internal 44:48.540 --> 44:52.000 perspective send doesn't understand that civilians see things 44:52.000 --> 44:54.570 differently me things need to be explain differently. And doesn't 44:54.570 --> 44:57.860 do that. Well on the hell either. I think it goes beyond the 44:57.860 --> 45:00.840 readiness issue low. I would go back to that question that Stephanie 45:00.840 --> 45:04.100 posed at the beginning which is what is the purpose of land cowper. 45:04.720 --> 45:09.460 Um I was talking to a group of a colonels about two months ago. 45:09.980 --> 45:14.030 Um and went on one of my periodic plants about peed strategic 45:14.030 --> 45:14.790 land power. 45:15.450 --> 45:18.400 Concept industry gick lamp our task force in set i've been briefed 45:18.400 --> 45:21.790 by them three times I still have absolutely. No idea. What strategic 45:21.790 --> 45:24.570 land power means and i've been trying you know I live in this 45:24.570 --> 45:27.610 world by and trying to follow what you have no chance of convincing 45:27.610 --> 45:31.260 somebody you know who doesn't follow these issues and I had a 45:31.260 --> 45:33.820 Colonel come up to me afterwards as if that were and you know 45:34.140 --> 45:36.550 that enough you know sort of you know the cures turning instead 45:36.550 --> 45:36.900 to me. 45:37.520 --> 45:40.300 What you need to understand and what will make the strategic 45:40.300 --> 45:43.010 lamp our concept all clearer and I got all excited right because 45:43.010 --> 45:44.290 and like him it was coming. 45:44.810 --> 45:48.980 He said it's not human to Wayne it's about the human. Domain. 45:51.050 --> 45:53.720 And I thought to myself you know it did this is it and to can 45:53.720 --> 45:56.220 clearly there was a difference there. Right this is a very small 45:56.220 --> 45:57.820 example but meant something to him. 45:58.380 --> 46:00.790 I have no idea what it is and i've been working in this world 46:00.790 --> 46:02.010 for 15 years. 46:02.810 --> 46:06.250 By the ability to put things in plain english to take advantage 46:06.280 --> 46:09.360 of this it you know as dave mention the advantage of being in 46:09.390 --> 46:12.640 every community in the United States to be able to communicate 46:12.990 --> 46:16.280 what the army's al wide land power is important I think it's 46:16.350 --> 46:19.870 absolutely vital critics really the time when the American public 46:19.870 --> 46:22.980 is generally wary about manpower because of seeking conclusive 46:22.980 --> 46:26.510 results of the past 13 years the cannot be you know it the the 46:26.540 --> 46:29.970 army has absolutely done its best in a lot of ways in those wars 46:29.970 --> 46:33.360 but for most people that's what they see is a see inconclusive 46:33.610 --> 46:36.610 games on the ground and they associate that with land power because 46:36.610 --> 46:39.770 that's been the major domain of those operations he today can 46:39.770 --> 46:42.440 just be a conversation among insiders and unfortunately that's 46:42.440 --> 46:46.270 how the army looks at the world to be. Uh. Yeah yo. We have to 46:46.270 --> 46:48.460 go to one small town in america. 46:48.980 --> 46:53.430 And watch they're national guardian are there to research unit 46:53.860 --> 46:57.240 of muster out whether it's for training of and or ordered to 46:57.240 --> 47:01.670 goal for Caesar to come back to to realize that america does 47:01.670 --> 47:03.030 identify with the army. 47:03.650 --> 47:07.140 In in ways that the other services it's really really hard for 47:07.140 --> 47:10.760 them to compete with up on the other side though it's just think 47:10.760 --> 47:12.080 tweed on glamorous. 47:12.730 --> 47:16.700 Uh you know the even though the marines do land combat to date 47:17.110 --> 47:21.100 yolk date for some reason they're like score olson other rats 47:21.100 --> 47:26.230 with fuzzy tails and really really good PR in our PR the army's 47:26.300 --> 47:31.250 never been that good pot. Even know we do you know the same stuff. 47:31.730 --> 47:35.100 But you know the other aspect is so what should be army they're 47:35.100 --> 47:39.010 not all triple worse. Yeah we were that the support organization 47:39.010 --> 47:42.380 for the entire department of defense in kind of the rest of the 47:42.380 --> 47:46.520 wheel a day and the famous which already that comes a the army 47:46.520 --> 47:50.260 and a tone of it comes at it the garden reserve of and in any 47:50.290 --> 47:54.620 given situation. So it the comes across in and on glamour sway 47:54.650 --> 47:58.090 and and has been mentioned the army juices. We'll we'll people 47:58.090 --> 47:59.090 just made understand. 47:59.840 --> 48:02.140 What we don't you gotta sell looked. 48:02.650 --> 48:07.080 And you gotta make people realize what to do when mean something 48:07.350 --> 48:12.630 to that nation and and EDS I can I know I can say that and I 48:12.630 --> 48:17.180 hate using slogans but it is one team one fight you gotta have 48:17.260 --> 48:22.020 everybody failure that gordon research or the touchstone of the 48:22.020 --> 48:23.060 us for me. 48:23.670 --> 48:25.140 To the American people. 48:25.920 --> 48:29.370 They believe in the communities they're part of the communities 48:29.610 --> 48:33.550 once all that happens. There the first ones to show lop it isn't 48:33.550 --> 48:37.590 the title trained troops are title 10 act. You know active duty. 48:37.590 --> 48:40.340 It's it's it's the garden sometimes to research. 48:40.970 --> 48:43.730 You know they're they're they earn a wreck but yeah there's bought 48:43.820 --> 48:47.780 you know that the deputy sheriff except now. He's got for sergeant stripes. 48:48.480 --> 48:51.140 A good day recognize that but aides. 48:52.100 --> 48:57.350 When it comes to take influencing congress to to recognize that 48:57.440 --> 49:02.280 the army fall short. In fact the army is kind of crappy at that. 49:02.890 --> 49:04.300 And one of the reasons ages. 49:05.510 --> 49:08.870 If you're not yoke of third on your bodes you're not doing real 49:08.870 --> 49:09.500 army work. 49:10.280 --> 49:12.830 And I know almost everybody in this one has said that. 49:13.550 --> 49:16.820 And I'm sorry that's not good enough there are fights that need 49:16.820 --> 49:19.680 to be full induced Famine every day. 49:20.300 --> 49:23.770 And we of leaders weren't stars and and you know what punished 49:23.770 --> 49:24.760 right so up and down. 49:25.700 --> 49:28.870 And they took don't do anything and world will come here to do that. 49:29.610 --> 49:33.530 And you know what if you all could leaders stay away. You lose 49:33.530 --> 49:36.930 dose fights because the other services are sending good people 49:36.930 --> 49:40.240 here to fight those fights and I know which no foreign. 49:40.820 --> 49:44.500 Trust me I came here thick as the many of the year for 18 months 49:44.840 --> 49:47.930 in june of 2001 and I'm still here. 49:48.440 --> 49:51.210 Alright and it's socks sometimes but. 49:51.720 --> 49:55.650 If you're not doing your jobs leaders here in washington almost 49:55.650 --> 49:59.750 kids out those really crappy dangers places don't get what they 49:59.750 --> 50:00.260 can me. 50:01.160 --> 50:05.070 And what a yurt general or curler anybody else. You can't sit 50:05.130 --> 50:08.980 there and suck you from an accord think I hate being here in washington. 50:09.150 --> 50:12.490 I wanna get back out with the real army. We know what you not 50:12.490 --> 50:15.400 gonna have much of a real army left if you keep losing the fight 50:15.400 --> 50:16.240 skier and washing. 50:17.960 --> 50:21.590 Jim and he just enter to wrap that I I wouldn't necessarily like 50:21.590 --> 50:24.570 and that the marine corps to interacts with fuzzy tales um. 50:25.070 --> 50:28.420 Eighteen people really good the acne deal have outstanding PR 50:28.420 --> 50:31.200 for example when you go to the hill um and you get a new congress 50:31.200 --> 50:34.360 in in you've got a lot of fresh faced freshman converse people 50:34.680 --> 50:37.510 come in a down the marines dress up in their blues and they go 50:37.510 --> 50:40.290 to each office will the welcome packet and the introduce themselves. 50:40.730 --> 50:41.870 I'm gabby doesn't do that. 50:42.690 --> 50:46.290 In other PR. I did the element of the military that as a good PR. 50:46.330 --> 50:49.310 I can be on the hill is special operations command and the special 50:49.310 --> 50:53.430 operations forces a community in an outstanding because that 50:53.430 --> 50:56.600 PR system because they have a story to tell the of figured out 50:56.750 --> 51:01.240 what they need to say um I would say the national guard in communities. 51:01.560 --> 51:02.420 They know what to say. 51:02.990 --> 51:07.170 You know so the party's national guard response 96% of emergencies 51:07.170 --> 51:08.030 in the United States. 51:08.890 --> 51:13.870 And people in Cannes as new york Louisiana california they all know. 51:14.630 --> 51:17.740 You know if there's an utter disaster if there's a wildfire um 51:17.770 --> 51:20.350 the may not know of these is the bernie and and it's they probably 51:20.350 --> 51:24.060 don't think about severity events as often as we did um for that 51:24.060 --> 51:27.120 for them um. This is scarce crap out of me but I'm of the fifth 51:27.120 --> 51:29.540 but you know was gonna be in a national guard's gonna be there. 51:30.270 --> 51:33.540 When you talk about boots on the ground interact in Afghanistan 51:33.540 --> 51:34.380 it elsewhere. 51:35.100 --> 51:36.110 It's too fuzzy. 51:37.130 --> 51:39.780 Um and even if that's the sexy part the people of the boots on 51:39.780 --> 51:42.200 and around that's the sexy part. That's not the blood stations 51:42.460 --> 51:45.030 and the coms guy is it's not the bulk of the army. 51:46.280 --> 51:49.640 But the army doesn't tell a good story. So I think you mean if 51:49.670 --> 51:53.050 if if anything they should go hold up to the rats with the fuzzy 51:53.050 --> 51:56.810 dell's is adopted this off guys they should figure out or a to 51:56.810 --> 51:59.280 what how do you tell your story. So effectively and what can 51:59.280 --> 52:02.310 we learn from that as close to saying other special. 52:02.910 --> 52:06.650 Or the got fancy tales or whatever it is that makes them different 52:06.650 --> 52:09.570 than makes their PR story so much easier to tout learned from 52:09.570 --> 52:11.690 that because the national guard. 52:12.220 --> 52:15.250 I think it has a huge fan base out there among going in the American 52:15.250 --> 52:19.360 community and American citizenry for what to do at home. I just 52:19.360 --> 52:21.650 not sure of what the army does and the national guard as part 52:21.650 --> 52:24.610 of the army does overseas and that's the story that needs to 52:24.610 --> 52:28.520 be told better and talking about aviation restructuring initiatives 52:28.720 --> 52:31.280 and their minds takes acids away from the national guards what 52:31.280 --> 52:32.320 can possibly be good. 52:33.150 --> 52:34.140 Well in may be good. 52:34.720 --> 52:35.520 Or may not be. 52:36.250 --> 52:39.080 But they're going in the reaction is so it's taking away from 52:39.110 --> 52:40.990 an organization that I like so I don't like it. 52:41.510 --> 52:44.170 And that's the mass where I think the army can do a lot better..