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Good day , everyone , and welcome to

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today's Air Force Material Command's

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Mentoring Power Hour . I'm Mandy Smith

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Nethercott , and I'll be your moderator ,

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and I'm happy to be with you here to

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highlight the United States Freedom 250

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celebration with a military history and

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mentoring presentation . Military

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mentorship bridges the gap between

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tactical training and strategic

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decision making in our service members .

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It builds unit cohesion , fosters

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resilience , and passes down invaluable

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operational experience . Ultimately ,

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it transforms personnel into adaptive ,

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empathetic leaders prepared to navigate

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complex , chaotic environments . None

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of us would be in the jobs we are today

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without mentorship , so it is

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appropriate that we , as we commemorate

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250 years of the United States armed

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forces and American independence , we

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have a look at our military history

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over the past 2.5 centuries . Today the

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Air Force Material Command historian

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Ray Hor Tenzi will share a unique look

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at our country's great military moments

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and our Air Force and AFMC's finest and

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most defining moments . Today's

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presentation is also interspersed with

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inspirational quotes from some of our

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country's greatest presidents ,

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military leaders , and heroes to

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include our own AFMC commander ,

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Lieutenant General Linda Hurry . Before

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we launch today's mentoring event ,

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please be aware of a few rules of

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engagement . The session is being

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recorded , so please stay muted . Do

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not turn on your camera and post

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questions you have in the chat , and I

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will ask them as time allows . We've

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allowed 60 minutes for this event and

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will promptly end at 2 p.m. Eastern

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Time . I am now thrilled to turn it

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over to our AFMC command historian .

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Ray Ortenzi , sir , over to you .

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Hey , thanks a lot . Um , wait for the

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slides to come up and get started here .

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Uh , as she said , I'm Ray Ortenzi . I

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am the director of the History and

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Heritage Directorate and uh happy to be

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here . So next slide , please . And

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next , So a little bit about me .

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I enlisted in the Air Force right out

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of high school . I went to basic

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training , and I was a select

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individual that got a card that said

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pass go , never went to tech training .

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I went directly to an assignment . I

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was one of those that was a test case

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that never went to tech school . I

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became an aviation photographer ,

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photojournalist . I spent 8 years doing

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a photojournalist assignments . Uh ,

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and after about 8 years , decided to

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get out , went and got my degrees at

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Purdue , said I never worked for the

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government again , and stumbled across

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a job and got hired as a historian . Uh ,

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I've been doing this now for going on

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20+ years , 22 , I think . Um , this is

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my second Madge column and been doing

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this job for over 2 years as a director .

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Uh , but I've been here at AFMC now for

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about 16 years , going on 16 years . Um ,

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next slide . So some of you may run

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into a historian , some you may not .

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So I always like to put this slide up

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on here of what a historian does .

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Some friends think , you know , you're

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a historian's always on the website ,

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you know , Googling stuff , what my mom

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thinks I'm doing in the library .

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Society thinks we're doing reenactments .

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Some things we teach . I have taught in

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the classroom . I teach at night online

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now . Uh , that middle bottom one there ,

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if you work at the headquarters , some

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of us can relate . We're constantly

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fighting sometimes . Uh , the other one

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there at the bottom right , uh , that's

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actually what my desk looks like 90% of

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the time . Some of the quotes over to

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the right there . It's really what we

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really do as military historians and

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provide the leadership with a deeper

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understanding of the historical past

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and with current events and current

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topics to try to give them a better

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rounded picture of what's going on in

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the past to better educate them , to

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help them make a better informed

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decision in real time . Next slide .

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So here's a historical quote right off

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the bat . Like , like Mandy said ,

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we're going to have some historical

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quotes throughout the briefing . One of

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our early military leaders , George

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Washington , this was during the

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American Revolution , just towards the

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end there , and being courteous , you

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know . Next slide .

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So what I'm going to talk to you about

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today is about 110 years of aviation

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leaders in history . Um , so the

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individual there on your left is Joseph

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Black Jack Pershing , and he ,

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he was a senior US Army

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officer , uh , commanded the Air

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American Expeditionary Force , uh , in

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the Western Front in World War One ,

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commonly known as the AEF . So he goes

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over there , uh . And he's the

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commander and he's responsible for all

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the American forces in there . So when

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he arrives , a guy by some of you guys

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may know , Billy Mitchell's there .

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He's been there for a year , and

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another guy by the name of Benny Foya

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comes over there , both One Stars , and

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Pershing's job is to take an army that

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in 1913 , I have to look at the numbers .

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In 1913 , the US's

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aviation is ranked 13th in the world .

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We only had a grand total of 17

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operational airplanes that were all

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obsolete . And there were only 19

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pilots . By the end of the war in

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November 1918 , there was over 200,000

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personnel and 11,000 .

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1,100,000 11,000 airplanes . With

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45 aerial squadrons and 4848 airfields

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in Europe that we were operating from ,

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so Pershing was responsible for that .

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So you had Billy Mitchell and Foy that

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were that were vying to run the air arm

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under Pershing . So Pershing had served .

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For a long time he was in the Indian

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Wars , the Spanish-American War , the

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Philippine-American War . Prior to

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World War I , Americans entry into

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World War I , he'd been down on the

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border , Texas border , going after

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Pancho Villa , and that was his first

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real interaction with aviation . And a

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guy by the name of Carl Spatz was down

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there for the first aero squadron .

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We'll hear a little bit about him here

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in a minute . But Pershing's leadership

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style would influence an entire

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generation of World War II leaders

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George Marshall , Dwight Eisenhower ,

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Omar Bradley , George Patton , and Hap

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Arnold . They would all serve under

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Pershing in World War I . Marshall

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would be his protege . Pershing

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had been frustrated . He went out to

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reprimand a divisional commander , and

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a young marshal who was just a captain

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at the time stepped in between him and

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told Pershing , Hey , look , you've got

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to listen to what's going on , why we

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couldn't do what we do . And Pershing

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was immediately enamored with him ,

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brought him up to be his aide de camp

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for 5 years , and personally took

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Marshall under his arm to the point

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when in 1939 . He went to FDR and said ,

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Hey , you've got to make Marshall the

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chief of staff of the Army .

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Interesting enough , Pershing's

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mentor was Marshall's father , so there

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was a little bit of that between the

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two of them . So Eisenhower ,

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Pershing recognizes Eisenhower's talent ,

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so he had his chief of operations take

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Eisenhower under his wing and work with

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Eisenhower during World War I . World

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War I ends , Pershing has Eisenhower

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come work with him on the American

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Battle Monuments Commission . And that

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commission post World War I was in

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charge of finding all the American

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spots that we fought at , as well as

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identify all the seminary cemeteries

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where Americans had had been buried at ,

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which was a very huge issue at the time

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because on the aviation side , if an

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aviator had crashed . And died in a

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certain area , they would take that

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aviator and bury him in the town

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cemetery , and sometimes those

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documents didn't survive or weren't

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properly recorded . So this battle

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monument commission , that was their

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job was to track that down . So

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Eisenhower was under Pershing .

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Pershing kind of molded him into what a

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great staff officer and leader should

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be . Patton was there . Uh , Patton had

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been with Pershing during the , the

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punitive expedition , and Pershing had

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gave Patton , uh , his first taste of

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mobile warfare and , uh ,

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let him use automobiles to attack when

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he was in on the Mexican border . That

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led him to lead the first tank , uh ,

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uh , squadron , uh , during World War

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One because in World One we we're using

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tanks for the first time . So Pershing

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had had had developed that

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skill with Patton and allowed him to go

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out and build that skill , and Patton

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would be a great uh tank commander and

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lead up to World War II where we've

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seen all the movie Patton and and seen

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how he , he did that in the history of

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being a tank commander . But Pershing's

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relationship with Billy Mitchell during

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this time was as a senior commander .

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Uh , we all know about Mitchell . He

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was a high performing combat

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subordinate , so Pershing put him in

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command of the , of the , the combat

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side . And Mitchell's talent for

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operational leadership was rewarded .

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He promoted brigadier general , and he

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was in charge of the accomplishments at

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Saint Neil offensive in September of

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1918 . Mitchell became the person to

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command a major . He was the first one

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to command a major force of Allied

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aircraft in a combat arms operation .

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And he coordinated over 1100 aircraft

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to work in unison with ground forces ,

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and he executed an offensive that

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attacked enemy targeted and

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communication nodes . The relationship

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between Pershing and Floyd during War I

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was characterized by a professional

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association . They had worked together

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all the way back to the the .

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Pancho Villa , punitive expedition and

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known each other even before that

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because Pershing had commanded the

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first aerial squadron , but The key

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thing is Pershing and Foy , Foy

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and Mitchell , didn't get along . They

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were both prima donnas . They both

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thought they should be in charge . They

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both were fighting all the time , and

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Pershing had other things he had to do .

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He was in charge of the entire American

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forces there in Europe . So what he did ,

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He brought in his his West Point

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classmate , a guy by the name of Major

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General Mason Patrick , who's the guy

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here on the far right . Um , He had no

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clue about aviation . He was an old

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army guy . He was close to retirement ,

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so he was brought in to basically take

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the role on as an administrative

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discipline in order to take control of

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this huge air arm and basically take

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control of Mitchell and and and

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Pershing or Foy , and

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Basically keep him under control . So

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under Patrick's leadership , he , he ,

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he basically knew what Pershing wanted .

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They were best friends , and he took

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this air power into a large scale

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ground offensive and integrated the

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both of them . And Patrick was an

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advocate for central control of air

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power by an airman ,

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but he took a different approach than

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what Mitchell and Floyd wanted to do

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because he was an old army guy , so he

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knew how to work the The skills . So

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next slide .

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So here's USS Grant . He , he

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was an adversary his entire life .

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Um , he goes and he takes control in

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the east , and if you know anything

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about civil war , he really changed the

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operational output of what was going

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on . Uh . He , he

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influenced quite a few leaders , um .

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But there were other instances where he ,

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uh , his trust only went so far with

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leaders , depending on their

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capabilities . Um , but he , he

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basically changed the whole output of

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the Civil War and how we integrated

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each of the armies . Next slide .

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So the interwar period , this is

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probably my favorite part of aviation

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history . So the interwar happens .

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We've talked a little bit about , about

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Mitchell and Patrick . Mitchell comes

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back . Patrick goes off .

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He decides he doesn't want to have

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anything to do with the aviation . He

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goes back to his army job . He's

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preparing to retire . They bring him

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back as the first chief of the Air

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Service in DC . So he comes back ,

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Mitchell's there in DC and he's brought

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back to try to keep Mitchell under

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control . Mitchell saw himself as the ,

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the polarizing vanguard , and , and he

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called himself an inspirational

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gladiator . His his mentorship was not

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merely about career guidance , uh , but

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about protecting the younger innovators ,

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innovators who challenged the military

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status quo . And when you talk about

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the status quo , we're talking about

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the aviation guys and the ground guys .

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He used his own reputation and

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eventually his career as a shield to

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shelter , a group of proteges , and his

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proteges was Hap Arnold , Carl Spatz ,

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and I are Aker , the guys over on the

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right . Um , he served as a disruptive

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maverick , and he , he challenged all

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the existing standards , um , while his ,

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his primary protege , Arnold served as

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the builder who translated what

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Mitchell wanted to do into visions and

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and institutional realities . And what

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Mitchell would do is he wrote a lot .

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He , he basically wrote a lot and he

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published it out in the free , free

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press and and gave it to congressmen .

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to the point where Army leadership said

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you've got to stop . They gave him a

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direct order , and sometimes he did it

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anyway . So Patrick had to rein that in .

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One of the ways Patrick did that to him

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was Mitchell had gotten married , so

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Patrick sent him to the Far East on a 4

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month investigation of the Far East Air

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Forces and an extended honeymoon .

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Interesting during that trip , he , he

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looked at the Japanese air forces and

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military and a little

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quote there from his report . When he

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looked it over there in 26 , he said

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within about 10 to 15 years , we could

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look at Japan attacking our forces .

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Whether he was some looking at a uh

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uh uh some kind of uh magic

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eight ball or whatever , what would

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happen at Pearl Harbor in that time

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period . He predicted it back in the

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20s that Japan would attack us .

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So He utilized his personal

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struggles , his writing , even after

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his resignation in 26 because now the

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army can't control him , and he's used

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this momentum to push an independent

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air force . Arnold , due to his , and ,

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and , and Patrick , remember , Patrick

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at this time . He goes off and gets his

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AVA . He gets qualified to fly because

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he's an army guy and nobody respects

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him , so he goes off and gets certified

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to fly . So he's the oldest flyer now

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in the aviation arm . Patrick believes

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that there needs to be an independent

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air arm , but he's not as flamboyant

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and not as direct as Mitchell . So he

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warns the three , the three proteges

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that they need to be cognitive of how

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they're doing what they're doing . So

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he tells Arnold , you need to be kind

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of uh Uh , not as rambunctious

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as Mitchell , um , but then another

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issue comes up and Arnold anonymously

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circulates a letter to various

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individuals to influence legislation on

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having a separate air piece to the

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ground . So Patrick has

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pressure put on him that he has to do

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something to Arnold . So he's either

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given a court martial . Or he can

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take resignation . And

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so Arnold and his wife are discussing

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this , and his wife's friends with the

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Jag . And the Jags suggest calling

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Patrick's bluff . So They

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choose resignation . And Patrick

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doesn't want to get rid of Arnold . He

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wants to keep Arnold , so they banish

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him to Fort Riley , Kansas . There's no

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aviation out there , so he uses that

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time to study troop movements , cavalry ,

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logistics , and the command structures .

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Then he would slowly begin to slow rise

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back up through the ranks . He would

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take command at various bases . He'd

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even end up here at Wright Pat for a

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little bit . Uh , but with his help

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from his friend George C . Marshall ,

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he would rise up through the ranks and

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eventually become the chief of the Air

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Corps . Mitchell had his hand also in

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Arnold's career . He had been right

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there in 1911 when Arnold decided to

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move from infantry to aviation and

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would still be influential in Arnold's

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life up until Mitchell's death in

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193936 . With Spatz , Mitchell

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made frequent visits with Spats to

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ensure that the two shared the same

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belief in the primacy of aviation and

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necessary of air superiority . Mitchell

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was a huge advocate of air superiority

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as the first and most necessary task of

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air arm and drilled this into spats to

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become a foundational tenant within the

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air arm . In 1929 , Spats would

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command the F Fulker C-2A named .

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This is where we , we proved the

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strategic viability of midair

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refueling , and it shattered the world

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flight endurance record and they stayed

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airborne for just under 151 hours ,

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which if you figure that out , it's

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just over 6 days . So imagine them

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staying up in an open cockpit dangling

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a hose underneath to refill other

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airplanes for 6 days with 3 or 2 of

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them up in the cockpit . Um , he would

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then become a proponent of daylight

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precision bombing and become a frequent

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visitor to Dayton to serve on technical

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boards here in the engineering division .

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Edger became an expert in blind

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instrument flying , and he would fly

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the 23,000 mile Pan-American Google

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Flight around Central and South America

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to show the global reach of American

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airpower . He was the chief pilot of

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the question mark with SATs , and he

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did the first transcontinental flying

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flight across the US . He would also

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co-author books with Arnold on air

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power strategy . Um , One of them

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was the Flying Gang , uh , that he

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would do . Sorry , my camera blocks out .

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Uh , Arnold would write a couple of

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books as well . They also wrote

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children's books to get young men , uh ,

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Interested in aviation to bring him in .

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So Acker would serve as an assistant

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defense counsel during Mitchell's court

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martial . Assigned by Patrick to ensure

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that , that Mitchell uh uh got a fair

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trial and the defense was

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professionally handling the , the , the

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case uh for , for Mitchell . Um ,

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so , so Patrick , even though that , uh ,

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Mitchell was a handful . Patrick wanted

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to ensure that he got a fair trial .

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Next slide . So we got another quote

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here by by Washington . Uh , this was

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when he was , uh , just before

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the American Revolution , uh .

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To the Virginia governor .

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Next slide .

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Hold on just a second , I'm trying to .

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OK . So we get up to World

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War II . And

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I call them the three amigos , Three

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Musketeers . They all , they all kind

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of moved together . Uh , Arnold on the

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far right , you had Spats and Acer .

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They had a longtime relationship .

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These guys have been together since

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1919 , and we've seen earlier how they

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kept moving along . They had influences

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from , from Mitchell , from Pershing to

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Patrick . Um , Arnold became

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Spatz's closest confidant . repeatedly

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placing him in high pressure roles as

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chief of the Air Force plans division ,

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made him chief of the air staff .

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Constantly putting him in positions to

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prepare him for the next position ,

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preparing him for his own for a high

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command . So Arnold would serve as

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Acre's revered patron . Arnold would

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give him his own brigadier general

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uniform upon Acer's promotion . And

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then he would send Aker over to England

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to observe the RAF's bomber

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operations so that he could establish

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the foundations for an American bomber

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offensive . So Spatz and Aker would

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actually become a cohesive team . The

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two of them would validate aerial

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refueling in 1929 , and together they

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would serve as commander and deputy of

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US Air Forces in Europe . So Arnold

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posed as a unique talent . He could ,

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he could find talent and promote talent ,

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but he could also uh Find individuals

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that were weak , uh , and , uh , he

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would try to motivate them in certain

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ways . There's the quote about , you

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know , if you can't control individuals ,

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there's other places we can move into ,

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and that place is a Guam . Um , but he

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liked to groom individual successors ,

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uh , divisions . He ensured that he ,

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when he retired , his proteges were

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ready to take the mantle . Spatz

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succeeded Arnold and was the first

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chief of staff of the Independent Air

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Force , and he also went after other

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young , young guys . So this guy here

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in the bottom left is Lawrence Cutter .

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And he drove radical doctrine change .

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So just at the beginning of World War

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II , there was a movement to separate

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aviation from the ground , and we would

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see that in World War II where aviation

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was doing its own thing . That was in

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part because George C . Marshall was

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the chief of staff . Him and Arnold

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were good friends , so Arnold put

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Cutter . In charge of developing

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FM 100-220 . Which was

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command and employment of air

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operations or air power . This was the

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principle that land and air power were

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coequal and interdependent . This was

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written after the post of Battle of

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Kasserine Pass where the

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army was trying to control the air and

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air wasn't there and there was always

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this pointing the finger of what didn't

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happen and why the Germans . Uh uh

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Romeel defeated us there in uh in North

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Africa . So Qatar was assigned to the

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operations and training division , the

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War Department in July of '39 under

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George C . Marshall . In 1941 , he was

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one of four principal authors of the

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basic plan for employment of air power

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in World War Two , and they would use

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that plan almost without any change .

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So in November , with Arnold taking

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notice of him , he was designated the

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Assistant Secretary of the War

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Department General Staff . Three months

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later , he would be promoted to

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lieutenant colonel . The following

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month he would become a brigadier

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general , and then the following month

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he transferred to headquarters Army Air

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Forces as Arnold's deputy Chief of

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Staff . So , Arnold saw something in

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him , promoted him , brought him on

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there , and then rapidly promoted him

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up to his deputy . Uh , Qatar was the

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critical go-between between Arnold and

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Marshall . He helped achieve functional

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autonomy from the ground up . Qatar

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spearheaded internal advocacy efforts

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for military reform and lobbied Arnold

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for rewriting the War Department

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publications . Qatar published a

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complete pushed to completely delete

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references to air power . Serving as a

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supporting role to ground forces , and

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he submitted the concept that the air ,

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land , and sea forces were completely

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coordinated and equal powers . So to

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broaden Cutter's experience , Arnold

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temporarily sent him to the

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Mediterranean Theater . To serve as a

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tactical commander . However , Arnold

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quickly realized Qatar's uh

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uh value and quickly brought him back

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to the Pentagon , the very same day

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that Rammel surrendered in Tunisia . So

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when Arnold suffered his serious heart

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attack , he designated Qatar to go

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settle on President Roosevelt , Winston

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Churchill , and Joseph Stalin . during

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the Malta and Yalta conferences , Qatar

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would ultimately be promoted to full

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general in 55 . And served various

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positions , ending up as commander of

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the newly created PCA in 57 , and

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retired in '62 as the commander of

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NORAD . So , so , as I said ,

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Arnold was very influential .

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He would identify others , you know ,

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Vander Berg there would go on to rise

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up as a high commander . Harmon , he

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put in charge of B-29 operations in the

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Pacific . Very

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influential in finding the key

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individuals and and bringing them up

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and putting them in charge of key

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programs and identifying individuals

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that could could run hard and fast and

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ensuring they had every tool they

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needed to get things done . And if ,

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and if he found out somebody that that

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couldn't get it done , uh , he gave him

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one chance , and that was only the

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chance he gave them , uh , just how

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Arnold operated . Next slide .

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So a famous quote by Eisenhower , uh ,

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you don't lead people by hitting them

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over the head . That's assault , not

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leadership . We probably worked with a

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few people like that in our lives , um .

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Not always an effective way to lead .

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Next slide . So we get into

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the Korea conflict , Korean War . The

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thing to remember about this period

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with the Air Force , we ended World War

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II in 1945 , came and ended in mid

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force in 1947 . During between

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45 and 50 , when the Korean War took

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off , uh we're doing a a rapid

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uh De-escalation , getting

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rid of stuff , uh . We're doing

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a drawdown and . Korea happens ,

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you got to do a rapid . Increase of

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of items to go back to war . There are

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a number of individuals that come ,

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come into play . Two individuals to

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talk about here , uh , their mentorship .

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There are a number of individuals that

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pop out , you know , you got , uh ,

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Daniel Chappy James , you got Benjamin

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Davis , Curtis LeMay , William , Wilbur

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Creech , and William Moyer . So the guy

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on the left , Chappy James . He began

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his career in the Air Force with uh

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Tuskegee Airmen in 43 . He would serve

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as a flight instructor during World War

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Two with the 99th pursuit Squadron .

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During Korea , he flew 101 combat

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missions with his leadership style

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defined as tactical excellence ,

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operational heroism , and a commitment

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to mentorship and training that would

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span three major conflicts . He'd go

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on in Vietnam to fly 78 combat missions .

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He would participate in Operation Bolo

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in 1975 and promoted to general . He'd

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be assigned as commander in chief of

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NORAD at Peterson . So you've

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probably seen the famous photos as he

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was the deputy to Robin Olds in Vietnam .

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They are the two that came up with the

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concept of Operation Bolo . And that

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was where , you know , the North

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Koreans were , were taking us out and

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they , they took their F-4s to

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replicate F-105s . The MiGs

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thought , hey , the 105s were an easy

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target . They go up and then realized ,

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oh wait , we're taking on F-4s , and

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they were able to down and down some

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the MiGs . Chappy James was known as a

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Uh , taking an involvement in his

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troops , uh , lives and a direct

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mentorship of , of those individuals .

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Uh , the guy on the right , Quote ,

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morale is everything , and if you don't ,

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do not build it by typing , you know ,

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a Lemay quote there , reports on having

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cocktail parties . Uh , he , he was

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like this beginning in World War II

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when he was commanding B-29 units in

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the Pacific . Uh , he would lead during

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this time , uh , sack into a dominant

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force during the early Cold War . Up

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until most of us were born , uh ,

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you ensured that the long range bomber

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remained the primary nuclear delivery

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platform in the US until ICBMs come

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online . During his tenure of SAC , he

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emphasized the role of strategic

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airpower in maintaining global security ,

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coining the famous slogan Peace is a

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profession . LeMay's mentoring and

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leadership style was defined by

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operational assertiveness , a ruthless

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focus on results , and a preference for

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practical execution over intellectual

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theory . His perspective on mentorship

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was deeply influenced by his service

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under General Spatz in Europe ,

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remarking that Spatz established a

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rapport that allowed LeMay to

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understand disappear's intent without

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formally instructed . LeMay also noted

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after a few hours of sitting at the

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same poker table in the evening , he

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understood exactly what Spatz wanted

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him to do . This would transfer over to

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him when he went into the Pacific .

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LeMay was in charge of the incendiary

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bombing campaign of Japan , and

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he fully believed that what he was

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doing would get Japan to the peace

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table and was adamantly against the

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dropping of the atomic bombs , because

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he felt that his , his missions with

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the B-29 are in dropping the incendiary

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bombs would bring them to the table

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quicker than an atomic bomb . Uh Next

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slide .

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General Sherman , there's some

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individuals that that hold General

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Sherman in in high regard , and there

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are some individuals that hold him in a

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very low regard , uh .

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An individual that , that if , if you

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want to know the early signs of a hard

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hand of war , which is a term some

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Civil War historians have , in

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'64 , they decided to

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take the war to the civilian population

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of the South , and many of us may know

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the march to the sea as Sherman wanted

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to make Georgia howl . He said courage ,

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a perfect sensibility , a measure of

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danger , and a mental willingness to

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endure it . Uh , What ,

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what was interesting in that quote , he

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says , mental willingness to endure it .

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There's at least 2 times when , when

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Sherman uh basically had to

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take an extended leave because of

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mental issues where he , he just

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couldn't take it any longer , uh ,

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didn't have a , uh , a confidant , a

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mentor , or Uh , uh ,

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another individual he could go to to

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help discuss issues that were going on

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and the pressure on him built up , and

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he had to take a leave of absence for

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mental issues . Next slide .

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Vietnam . So for some of us that came

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into the service , we , we were

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serving under some of these individuals

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that were just coming up or served

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during Vietnam . Three individuals here

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that pictured , the one on the far left

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is . George Brown .

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He was a highly decorated World War II

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hero , senior leader who rose up to

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serve both as a Chief of Staff of the

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Air Force in 73 and 74 , and then he

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would become the chairman of the Joint

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Chiefs of Staff in 74 and 75 . He had a

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Distinguished Service Cross for his

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role in the 43 bombings of the Pelosi ,

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and he held a Major Air command during

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the Korean War . And was the 7th Air

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Force commander during the Vietnam War

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for all air operations during Southeast

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Asia . However , what , what some

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people forget in September of 70 , he

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assumed command of Air Force Systems

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Command , a predecessor unit of Air

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Force Mariel Command . He came in right

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when the F-15 program was in its

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infancy . We were just starting to

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develop the program , the F-15 program .

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And as well as when Secretary Packard

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became the the the the Undersecretary

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of War or Secretary of Defense , and ,

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and when Packard was doing his , his

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acquisition transformation , which is ,

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is every , if you , if you study

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acquisition and the history , we're

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always doing a transformation and

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acquisition . Packard's new acquisition

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process was meeting some resistance .

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To his focus on cost as king and his

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efforts to streamline reporting

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channels between OSD and the program

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offices within Systems Command , so

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Brown believed that the F-15 program

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office was locked out of a help that he

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and Systems Command could provide . So .

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At that time , OSD , uh , there was no

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AQ at the time . OSD was taking away

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that reporting channel from Systems

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Command and having the F-15 program

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office report directly to OSD . So

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Brown was able to wrestle that away and

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have them work through the commander

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and then through OSD . Um , and that's

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when you started seeing the development

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of PEOs . So the PEOs started taking

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form with the F-15 office . There was a

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couple more offices that followed

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through the F-15 , and the F-15 program

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was the birth really of the early

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PEO system . The guy on the far right

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is Jack Bratian . He was a prominent

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fighter pilot and , and flew in 2016 ,

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uh , flew 216 combat missions across

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Korea and Vietnam , and he would serve

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as the vice commander of the 355th

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Tactical Fighter Wing in Vietnam . He

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was known for leading out front in

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command and demand demanded operational

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excellence and an waiver in protective

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loyalty of his subordinates . That

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loyalty of his subordinates risked his

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own career to correct his own airmen .

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They inadvertently violated the rule of

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engagement , so he protected

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him so much that he was court martialed

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for that . After his retirement , his

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leadership continued through his role

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as an influential voice for pilots . He

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authored the book Bud Ridge and Going

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Downtown , which has cited critical

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works that detailed the air war in

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Vietnam from the perspective of pilots

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on the missions . The guy in the middle ,

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some of us may know that's Wilbur Bill

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Creech . He served as a young

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lieutenant in the Korean War , as a

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forward air controller and a fighter

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pilot . He flew 103 missions in the

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F-80 . In the 60s , he flew

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177 combat missions and F-100s in

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Southeast Asia . I believe some of

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those as a misty fact . It was his

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combat experience in Vietnam that

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provided the foundations for his belief

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in decentralized control and leadership

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development and his recognition for

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later the Creech Revolution . Next

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slide .

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OK , Colin Powell . All right , next

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slide . And he speed it up . All right .

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The Creech revolution . George Creech

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on the left . So during his command at

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Tactical Air Command from 78 to 84 , he

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fundamentally changed , altered the Air

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Force mentorship by shifting it from a

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byproduct of military routine into a

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deliberate , hands-on institutional

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priority centered on decentralized

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authority and technical proficiency .

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So there were some key things that he

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did . He decentralized centralized

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bureaucracy structures , um , he

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structurally shifts . Uh , created an

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environment where organic mentorship

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could flourish because junior leaders

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were given real ownership and

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responsibility over the aircraft

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emissions . One of his central pillars ,

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what senior leaders had a personal

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fundamental responsibility to actively

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groom their successors . He believed

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leadership development was not a

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passive process but required careful

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selection and mentoring of the next

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generation . He established a standard

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where a leader's success was measured

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in part by the quality of leaders they

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were producing . He changed the

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expectation of leadership from being

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primary administrative to being

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grounded in active technical execution .

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He required his wing commanders to

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routinely plan combat training missions

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alongside their their subordinates ,

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and he required them to lead from the

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front . The Creech revolution created a

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specific cadre of elite officers known

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as Creech's disciples . The group

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included chiefs of staff of the Air

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Force , such as Fogelman , McPeak , and

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Jumper , and then their protege spent

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the next two decades applying Creech's

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principles of decentralized command and

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control to bring up the next generation

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that would execute Operation Desert

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Storm . So some of them , you got

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McPeak , he served from 90 to 94 ,

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uh . He beholds within it Uh ,

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leadership advice , bulletplate

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checklist , fundamentally and

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ineffectively . In his personal

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philosophies on leadership and

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education , he famously stated that if

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someone gives you a standard checklist

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of advice , it's good advice and you

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should forget it immediately . Instead

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of copying someone else's career

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blueprint , McPeak argued that a

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protege's time is better spent

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sharpening their mind , gaining a broad

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education , and exercising the brain to

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figure out their own custom leadership

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style . During Fogelman's

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Leadership during 94 to 97 , he is

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credited with educating the next two

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generations of four stars and later

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formalized . Mentorship as a priority .

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In '95 , he created the Air Force Core

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Values of integrity first , service

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before self , and excellence , all we

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do . He also commissioned the famous

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Little Blue Book to serve as the

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ethical roadmap . Jumper

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served from 2001 to 2005 . He described

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Creech as a leader , visionary warrior ,

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mentor who fundamentally transformed

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how the service conducted warfare .

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So the guy on the bottom right , this

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is Ron Keys . As a captain , he

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famously wrote the Dear Boss Letter .

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If you've never seen the Dear Boss

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letter , it's in the back of a book

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called Sierra Hotel . Uh during the

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post-Vietnam War up into the early 80s ,

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pilots were getting out left and right

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because they were just displeased with

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where the Air Force was going . So ,

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The task was given to the young

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officers to write down their concerns ,

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and they were going to be compiled and

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sent to the attack commander , General

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Creech . Keys didn't want to do this .

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He , he was upset , so he's getting

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ready to go on leave . He goes home and

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he writes something out , gives it to

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the squadron secretary . He goes on

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leave . What he discovers when he comes

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back his dear boss's letter had been

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sent to Creech unedited . Keach asked

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him to come directly from Nellis out to

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to Langley . And Creech was very

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interested in what he wanted to say .

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So , uh , This letter

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triggered the Creech Revolution because

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Creech took some of those comments that

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Keys said to heart . Keys would end up

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retiring after 40 years and would be

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commander of Air Combat Command from

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2005 to 2007 . Next slide .

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This is a quote from General Hurry , uh .

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If , if you've never heard General

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Hurry talk , uh , She

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has great quotes . She is a great .

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Individual that is focused on people .

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Uh , if , if you ever hear her talk ,

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her main focus is people , people ,

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people . Uh , she , she loves investing

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in people and Believes that

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teams and people are her number one

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priority . She , she loves to invest in

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individuals . Next slide .

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So the question I have is , is who are

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the individuals that mentor shape

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influence you today ? So I threw some

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individuals up here that that I've run

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across over the years . Top left , I

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don't know if any of you know who Casey

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Campbell is . She's the individual that

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threw the A-10 that had been just shot

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all up in Desert Storm . The individual

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to her right or her left is a guy named

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Bino Turner . He was the squadron

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commander . He was my first boss when I

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came back in the Air Force . Total

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people person . Family , family was

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first for him . Make sure you take care

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of your family and everybody that

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served under him was family . Next

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person was Lorenz . Even though he was

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a 4 star , he didn't care what what

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your rank was . You were important to

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him , and he took a keen interest in

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everybody . Uh , the next person next

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to him is General Jamerson , who would

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be a director of staff here before he

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became the security forces cop up in

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DC . General Richardson , another great

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people person , invested in people , uh ,

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Ms . Seth step down there retires the

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senior executive here , Ms . Water ,

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the current senior executive , and then

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General Hurry , and then there's an

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arrow . Uh , how are you mentoring

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people around you ? How are you

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investing in the younger individuals

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that are coming up ? Uh , next slide

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Questions . I went longer than I

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normally normally would do . So , all

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right . So , absolutely wonderful .

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Thank you so much for that . And if

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everyone can give a quick round of

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virtual applause , that would be great .

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I do want to move into our questions .

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OK , I see a few that are there , um ,

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that are coming up . I also want to ask

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one because I've noticed that we have

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some esteemed Uh , members here from

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multiple branches of service to include

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the Department of War . So the first

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question I want to ask is for you ,

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sir , how important do you view

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mentoring in the role of military

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leadership and success in all branches

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of service ?

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I believe it's extremely important , um ,

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Because that's how you build somebody's

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career . Uh , early on , uh ,

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That builds up an individual . Uh ,

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I just looking at the historians , I

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saw that early on with us because it

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depends on how big your career field is .

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If you're in a small career field , you

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don't have a lot of near peers with you .

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So you have to build up that , that

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network and the mentorship . And uh

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I don't , I don't know if we do that

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enough . Within the forces that have

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mentorship and to really push it

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hard , but having mentors to help us

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along in all aspects of our job and our

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life is important

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to understand our job , our

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military history , and how we operate

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because we're bringing individuals in

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it probably have no military experience .

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So they're going to have questions and

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help them out through the process .

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Thank you , sir . OK . Another question

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is we've received these in our

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mentoring teams channel . I have put

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that into the chat a few times , so ,

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uh , folks , please , uh , join into

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that and you can see all the great

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information we have in there about

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mentoring . Focusing on mentoring

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opportunities as well as future events .

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Another question we have , sir , is how

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has AFMC influenced the history of the

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Department of the Air Force and our

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military history overall ?

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So from the beginning , um , AFMC can

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trace its lineage back to 1917 .

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We have constantly , you know , today

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we talk about cradle to grave

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management of every weapons system . A

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uniform and piece of technology that

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the US Air Force uses . So since

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1917 , AFMC has had an

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involvement in every type of weapons

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system that goes out . So I like to

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tell everybody , if , if the Air Force

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is using it , no matter what it is ,

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AFMC has had had some type of

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involvement in it . You know ,

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individuals like Arnold Spatz and Aker

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were heavily involved in AFMC from the

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early days . You know , you look at the

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Cold War , AFMC was heavily involved in

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the XB-52 , bringing that online , and

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we realized , hey , wait , we need to

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get it to this , this point . We bring

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in Minuteman . We manage GPS ,

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stealth technology . We get into

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AFMC . We're , we're developing and

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coming up with joint direct attack

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munitions , AFRLs driving

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hypersonics , autonomous drone wingmen ,

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artificial intelligence .

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AFMC has been involved in , in

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influencing history since day one .

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And , and if you look at some of the

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stuff that comes out of AFRL . After we

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use it for military technology , it's ,

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it's going into the private sector and

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being used for the private sector . I

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mean , GPS , uh , the internet , you

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know , Dole didn't create the internet .

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It came from the military . Um .

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Some of the stuff that we're we're ,

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we're developing after it gets its

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military use , it then goes out to the

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greater , greater services , you know ,

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I like to tell the story sometimes when

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I do my history brief , you know ,

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Apollo 8 wouldn't have happened if it

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wasn't for AFMC . We sent 55

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individuals from out of the program

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offices , embedded them in NASA to help

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get that program up and running . And

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Apollo 8 to circumvent the moon would

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never have happened if it hadn't have

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been for those 55 officers out of AFMC

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or Systems Command at the time to

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achieve that goal . That was not even

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the goal that NASA was thinking of if

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we had not pushed that that fast

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with the AFMC Air Force guys there .

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Thank you , sir . I have seen a few

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slides of yours on the space race and

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as a space buff , I have to say they're

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fascinating . So thank you for throwing

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uh that in there . Um , one of the

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other questions because I know we are

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running out of time , is as a historian ,

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what military leaders do you hold in

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highest esteem when it comes to

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mentoring and why ?

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Um , I like , I like the , I'm ,

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I'm an early guy guy , so you know , I

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like Floy , um , I like Arnold . Arnold

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was a no-nonsense guy . Floy was a

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leader who , who got his hands . I mean

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he was in there next to the airman and ,

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and taking the risk , you know , his

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first flight in the right flyer , he's ,

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he's flying and he hits an updraft and

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realizes , oh , maybe the right flyer

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needs a seat belt . So he minces the

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seatbelt for the right flyer . Another

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guy is here at Wright Path is Oliver

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Echols . He's the one that goes over in

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the Pacific , does a tour , and

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realizes , you know , what's , what's

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the problem in the Pacific ? It's

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mostly water and no land mass . So he

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comes up with the top secret program

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called Ivory soap , which ends up being

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floating depots . And that's how we

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support all the aviation units in the

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Pacific is , is with floating depots

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and we take 6 Liberty ships , retro we

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we redesign them to be basically

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floating depots in the sea , and we do

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it that way , um . Current leaders ,

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we've had a couple of directors of

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staff that have come through here that

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are total people , people . They get it ,

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they're out , they're moving around ,

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and they invest in people . Um , when

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you invest in people , The

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workforce sees that , and I think that

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that increases the morale , that that

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increases the workload , because when

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you see somebody that's down there in

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the trenches . Uh , and takes an active

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involvement in individuals . The one of

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the reasons I put Jamerson on there , I

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was in the hospital in 2011 . I was in

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and out of the hospital 3 or 4 times .

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He personally came down and sat with me

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for 3 hours talking about everything

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but work , talking about family , kids ,

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you name it . He invested in that time

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out of his time to come down and spend

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with me .

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Thank you . OK , well , um , I think we

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have time for just one other quick

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question and then I'll close it out .

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Um , and this is really for some of our

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up and coming leaders that are working

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in STEM . Where do you think the Air

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Force is headed historically over the

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next 30 years and where do you see AI

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as being part of our history ? Um ,

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So AI will not be the all .

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Everything . So I was with a , a bunch

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of high schoolers last week at a camp ,

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and one of the students was doing ,

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she's going into um What is it , uh ,

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some type of radiology tag , and she

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was talking about AI and radiology ,

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and her first comment was , AI doesn't

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have a soul . Um , so , but , but

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AI can , can help us with a lot of

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things . So , um ,

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There are all kinds of different things

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on the horizon , you know , how , how

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are we gonna do drone warfare ? How are

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we gonna do , uh , All types

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of things . I think , I think the war

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in Ukraine is opening a lot of people's

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eyes . Of , of how the Ukraine's

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Ukrainians fighting uh the war with

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Russia , and how do you uh

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Go after uh a near peer ,

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but With Not a

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6th gen . Uh ,

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Weapons system . You know , how , how

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do you use AI to

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Uh , coordinate . Uh ,

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Warfare , how do you use AI to

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Uh , help you in your day to day work .

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I will be honest , I use it at times in

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going fast , you know , the key word

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nowadays is how can we go fast and get

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stuff done quicker ? How do I support

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the boss and get them an 80% answer

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when I've got maybe 40 documents that

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are 2 to 300 pages in depth . And

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so utilizing AI smartly , and that's

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the key because people automatically

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think , hey , I , I'm going to use chat

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GPT and I'm going to ask it a bunch of

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questions . I can guarantee you when

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you're using it for history stuff , uh ,

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it's only about 40 to 50% correct , uh ,

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because it will , it will hallucinate

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and it will create facts that aren't

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facts . Um , so it , it takes

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almost the same amount of time of , of ,

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of correcting itself , you correcting

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it . So it takes a lot of discipline to ,

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to look over what you're doing with AI

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and what type of AI you're using , but ,

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but putting AI into Machinery and how

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it reacts , I think there will always

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be a human aspect to that .

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Sir , thank you so much . Well , we are

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at our time limit . Uh , really want to

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thank you so much for this amazing

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presentation and also for helping us

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celebrate Freedom 250 and honoring our

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Department of War and Department of the

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Air Force history over the decades . Um ,

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I do want to thank a few people who

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made the panel possible , sir , that's

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including you as our command historian .

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Uh , Jack Wade , the AFMC Director of

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Command Heritage Programs , our AFMC

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Public Affairs office , and Marisol

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Atalano from AETC who has assisted .

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I will be posting this recording on our

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AFMC team's channel for mentoring , so

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please refer to the link that . I've

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had in the past , um , to have access

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to that and look within our AFMC public

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affairs pages because they will also be

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highlighting this . So with that said ,

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I wish everyone an absolutely wonderful ,

01:00:00.669 --> 01:00:04.310
um , Freedom 250 , 4th of July .

01:00:04.689 --> 01:00:06.800
Um , because we are coming up on that

01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.133
next week and sincerely thank you , sir ,

01:00:09.133 --> 01:00:11.469
for taking time to share this with us .

01:00:11.580 --> 01:00:13.802
It was really a fabulous presentation .

01:00:13.820 --> 01:00:16.300
Thank you so much . Yep , yep , and if

01:00:16.300 --> 01:00:18.578
you're interested in outreach products ,

01:00:18.578 --> 01:00:20.800
that , that link will take you directly

01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:24.580
to our all our products . Thank you .

01:00:24.699 --> 01:00:27.739
Bye everyone . Happy 4th of July .

01:00:29.790 --> 01:00:31.229
Thank you . Happy 4th .

01:00:34.550 --> 01:00:35.570
Tommy .

01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.199
Hey , Amanda , are you still here ?

01:01:07.290 --> 01:01:10.199
This Hey Marcel , this is Mrs . Bruce .

01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.399
How are you doing ? Hey , did , did

01:01:13.399 --> 01:01:15.600
Mandy log off ? Oh , she logged off .

01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:18.479
She's gone . I'm , I'm glad you were

01:01:18.479 --> 01:01:20.701
able to make it , um , I hope you truly

01:01:20.701 --> 01:01:23.629
enjoyed it . It was , I , I thoroughly

01:01:23.629 --> 01:01:26.610
enjoyed it . I really did . Fantastic .

01:01:27.479 --> 01:01:30.639
Yeah . I'm glad you made it . You know ,

01:01:30.699 --> 01:01:32.921
it's really , really funny . I was glad

01:01:32.921 --> 01:01:34.977
I thought out there why , why people

01:01:34.977 --> 01:01:37.088
are checking me out . what was really

01:01:37.088 --> 01:01:39.310
funny is that I know Jack Wade . He and

01:01:39.310 --> 01:01:41.199
I were stationed together back in

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1995 . No ,

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no . No , no , not 2000 .

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200 2004 . Really ? Mhm .

01:01:55.300 --> 01:01:57.300
Oh , I bet Mandy would like to hear

01:01:57.300 --> 01:02:00.830
that . Yeah , uh , same squadron and

01:02:00.830 --> 01:02:02.886
everything . Jack , matter of fact ,

01:02:02.886 --> 01:02:05.108
Jack picked me up from the airport when

01:02:05.108 --> 01:02:07.370
I was deployed , uh , to Qatar . Mhm

01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.492
Real funny . That's , that's good stuff .

01:02:12.229 --> 01:02:15.989
Small world . I did send him a message

01:02:15.989 --> 01:02:18.560
though and see what happens . But I

01:02:18.560 --> 01:02:20.449
absolutely loved the presentation

01:02:20.449 --> 01:02:22.504
though . It was , it was very good .

01:02:23.379 --> 01:02:25.699
You met um Rudy Purificato , right ,

01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:29.239
the AATC ? Do that one more time .

01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:31.800
Historian , the AATC historian Rudy

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Purificato , you met him . I have not

01:02:34.120 --> 01:02:37.989
met him . Uh , during the mentoring

01:02:37.989 --> 01:02:40.350
events , you never met him . Ah , maybe

01:02:40.350 --> 01:02:43.340
so , maybe so . OK , yeah , yeah . He

01:02:43.340 --> 01:02:46.729
really reminds me of of Rudy . Jack's

01:02:46.729 --> 01:02:50.070
got a lot of energy Mhm . I mean , he ,

01:02:50.149 --> 01:02:52.669
I mean , he used to wear uh colonial

01:02:52.669 --> 01:02:56.030
gear as a part of uh frontier days .

01:02:57.189 --> 01:03:00.419
Mhm . So he put on old school outfits ,

01:03:00.699 --> 01:03:03.000
so that was kind of neat . But that was

01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:06.939
like 100 years ago . No ,

01:03:07.060 --> 01:03:09.340
did she record ? Did she record , um ,

01:03:09.379 --> 01:03:11.820
texting , or did she , did you , she

01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:13.876
didn't record the session ? No , she

01:03:13.876 --> 01:03:16.830
didn't stop it . OK , she needs to go

01:03:16.830 --> 01:03:20.340
in here . Um , can you , I'm sending ,

01:03:20.550 --> 01:03:24.550
can you go ? Back in

01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:30.790
Um , to Log

01:03:30.790 --> 01:03:34.590
back in . Stop

01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:35.760
the recording .

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And Um

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There's people that are hanging . 28 .

01:04:02.250 --> 01:04:05.989
What did she say ? I'm gonna

01:04:05.989 --> 01:04:09.870
say Bruce . And we

01:04:10.149 --> 01:04:13.090
are still In the

01:04:13.090 --> 01:04:14.290
session .

01:04:18.810 --> 01:04:21.590
OK , let's see if she comes in . Cause

01:04:21.590 --> 01:04:23.780
I was trying to delete , but I can't ,

01:04:23.870 --> 01:04:27.149
right ? Oh these people .

01:04:28.810 --> 01:04:31.790
Not unless you have um . Right , and I

01:04:31.790 --> 01:04:34.110
thought , I thought she gave me rights .

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I thought she put me in as an owner .

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I'm not making you an owner , but

01:04:39.858 --> 01:04:42.590
making you uh . You know , part of the

01:04:42.590 --> 01:04:44.812
decision making process in this thing .

01:04:45.729 --> 01:04:49.520
Let's see . She probably needs the

01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:51.820
link to go back in . Let me go in here .

01:04:55.530 --> 01:04:59.270
disappear on me . I have a 1:30 meeting .

01:05:01.580 --> 01:05:03.747
How's your day going ? It feels like a

01:05:03.747 --> 01:05:06.419
Friday . I wanted to be a Friday . Oh ,

01:05:06.500 --> 01:05:08.611
there she goes . It's a man . A man's

01:05:08.611 --> 01:05:11.250
back . Mandy's back . I'm here . I'm

01:05:11.250 --> 01:05:15.189
here . Holy moly , you guys .

01:05:15.629 --> 01:05:18.969
There we go . There we go .