WEBVTT 00:00.289 --> 00:02.289 Yeah , my name is , uh , my name is 00:02.289 --> 00:04.456 Lieutenant Colonel Brian Lander , uh , 00:04.456 --> 00:06.733 and I work with , uh , Marfo Y A uh G5 , 00:06.733 --> 00:09.270 uh , and so we focus principally , uh , 00:09.279 --> 00:11.689 on , uh , all of the future planning 00:11.689 --> 00:13.800 efforts , so all the , uh , different 00:13.800 --> 00:15.800 types of deliberate and contingency 00:15.800 --> 00:17.911 plans , that's what we focus on , and 00:17.911 --> 00:20.078 then that's , uh , one of my primary , 00:20.078 --> 00:21.856 uh , responsibilities is , uh , 00:21.856 --> 00:24.078 in-depth analysis and planning within , 00:24.078 --> 00:26.078 uh , uh , some of the , some of the 00:26.078 --> 00:28.245 contingency plans within the theater . 00:28.245 --> 00:30.411 I think , uh , cold response , I think 00:30.411 --> 00:32.639 it demonstrates one just at the size 00:32.639 --> 00:34.417 and the scale . I think it's an 00:34.417 --> 00:37.979 incredible ability for , uh , military 00:38.040 --> 00:40.151 organizations with our allies to work 00:40.151 --> 00:42.779 at scale and so you know it's easy for , 00:43.520 --> 00:46.790 uh , easy , I , I say that , uh , uh , 00:46.919 --> 00:49.252 understanding that even easy , you know , 00:49.252 --> 00:51.086 even at a small platoon level or 00:51.086 --> 00:52.697 company level , uh , working 00:52.697 --> 00:54.308 integrating interop building 00:54.308 --> 00:56.530 integration and interoperability . Uh , 00:56.530 --> 00:59.270 is challenging , uh , but relative , uh , 00:59.349 --> 01:01.571 that's fairly easy compared to the size 01:01.571 --> 01:03.793 and scale , uh , for cold response . So 01:03.793 --> 01:05.905 I think that's incredibly important . 01:05.905 --> 01:08.160 And I think second for the Marine Corps 01:08.160 --> 01:10.529 specifically is it's another 01:10.529 --> 01:12.473 opportunity to work with some very 01:12.473 --> 01:16.129 capable allies . They're all across the 01:16.129 --> 01:18.240 globe that we have the opportunity to 01:18.240 --> 01:20.319 work with on a principally a routine 01:20.319 --> 01:23.510 basis . So it's very nice and cold 01:23.510 --> 01:25.177 response gives us yet another 01:25.177 --> 01:27.800 opportunity to work with allies . That 01:27.800 --> 01:31.000 are extremely capable , that are , uh , 01:31.180 --> 01:33.519 very competent and , uh , obviously 01:33.519 --> 01:35.852 they're , they're great hosts , so it's , 01:35.852 --> 01:37.908 it's a wonderful opportunity for the 01:37.908 --> 01:39.963 Marine Corps . Well , I think , uh , 01:39.963 --> 01:42.300 what the Marine Corps has , uh , 01:42.360 --> 01:45.309 historically we've had our ties with 01:45.319 --> 01:47.319 Norway . There's a ton of exercises 01:47.319 --> 01:49.486 that we've done with Norway , uh , for 01:49.486 --> 01:52.800 decades , uh , so we , we , we , it 01:52.800 --> 01:54.522 helps us to , to champion that 01:54.522 --> 01:56.689 relationship . Uh , and then the other 01:56.689 --> 01:58.967 allies that participate in , uh , that , 01:58.967 --> 02:01.078 that participate as well , you know , 02:01.078 --> 02:03.189 it's , it's , it's an ability to , to 02:03.189 --> 02:05.078 build that , that sort of broader 02:05.078 --> 02:07.189 relationship that we have with , with 02:07.189 --> 02:06.900 all of the Nordic allies and all the 02:06.900 --> 02:08.956 other allies that participate in the 02:08.956 --> 02:10.956 exercise . So I think it's , uh , I 02:10.956 --> 02:13.020 think , uh . You know , I think that 02:13.029 --> 02:15.196 that's super important and and I think 02:15.196 --> 02:18.119 the Marine Corps as a as a force is in 02:18.119 --> 02:20.119 some ways a convening authority for 02:20.119 --> 02:22.175 that so the Marine Corps can show up 02:22.175 --> 02:24.341 with its uh both its size , you know , 02:24.341 --> 02:26.508 relative to some of our our allies but 02:26.508 --> 02:28.175 also its capabilities and its 02:28.175 --> 02:30.190 experience uh it helps it helps uh 02:30.399 --> 02:33.410 formulate that that base team uh as a 02:33.410 --> 02:35.632 as as essentially a convening authority 02:35.632 --> 02:38.589 for all that um and then uh it allows 02:38.589 --> 02:40.700 us to work with our allies and then , 02:40.700 --> 02:43.940 you know , in turn . Um , we , we bring 02:43.940 --> 02:46.051 certain things , but then we also get 02:46.100 --> 02:48.156 from our allies , they have a ton of 02:48.156 --> 02:49.767 experience , knowledge , and 02:49.767 --> 02:51.711 capabilities that we can also then 02:51.711 --> 02:53.878 learn and , and then we also , uh , we 02:53.878 --> 02:56.044 gain in return from them . So , well , 02:56.044 --> 02:58.378 uh , in my opinion , I think one of the , 02:58.378 --> 03:00.267 I think the , the , the axiomatic 03:00.267 --> 03:02.544 reason that we're able to operate , uh . 03:03.039 --> 03:05.150 All together is really because we all 03:05.150 --> 03:07.317 have shared goals and a shared general 03:07.317 --> 03:09.372 direction so of course we're able to 03:09.372 --> 03:12.800 work together . Uh , what makes this 03:12.800 --> 03:14.960 theater , I think unique to other 03:14.960 --> 03:17.071 theaters for the Marine Corps and for 03:17.071 --> 03:19.190 the US is how strong our allies are 03:19.190 --> 03:21.412 within our own language . So one of the 03:21.412 --> 03:23.523 things that we don't have to do is we 03:23.523 --> 03:25.746 don't have to bring . Uh , interpreters 03:25.746 --> 03:27.801 and , and linguists along with us so 03:27.801 --> 03:29.857 we're able to communicate directly . 03:29.857 --> 03:32.079 That's very easy to increase our shared 03:32.079 --> 03:34.246 understanding and ultimately that that 03:34.246 --> 03:36.579 really draws us towards , uh , you know , 03:36.579 --> 03:38.634 it's both the identification and the 03:38.634 --> 03:38.380 communication of what that shared goal 03:38.380 --> 03:41.580 is . So from my perspective , uh , we 03:41.580 --> 03:43.469 can always talk about the digital 03:43.469 --> 03:45.636 interoperability and the communication 03:45.636 --> 03:47.913 that exists , uh , that exists now and , 03:47.913 --> 03:50.191 and some of the value that that brings , 03:50.191 --> 03:52.136 which is true . Uh , but to me our 03:52.136 --> 03:53.802 ability to both communicate , 03:53.802 --> 03:55.858 understand , and , and visualize and 03:55.858 --> 03:58.136 see that shared goal , uh , I think is , 03:58.136 --> 04:00.358 is really the , the , the , the driving 04:00.358 --> 04:02.413 factor of why we're all able to work 04:02.413 --> 04:04.524 together , um , so well and why we're 04:04.524 --> 04:06.469 able to come together . Uh , I , I 04:06.469 --> 04:08.636 think , uh , you know , that that goal 04:08.636 --> 04:11.110 of , of shared security and increased 04:11.110 --> 04:13.332 security , I think is , is the ultimate 04:13.332 --> 04:15.277 goal that we always , uh , that we 04:15.277 --> 04:17.388 always talk about and we champion and 04:17.388 --> 04:19.221 then again . We have such a long 04:19.221 --> 04:21.443 standing habitual relationship with the 04:21.443 --> 04:23.610 Nordics and and specifically with with 04:23.610 --> 04:26.220 Norway , um , so we're we're able to 04:26.950 --> 04:29.279 really understand and develop you know 04:29.279 --> 04:31.335 that that shared sense of security , 04:31.335 --> 04:33.557 that shared sense of interoperability , 04:33.557 --> 04:35.779 um , and , and just really , you know , 04:35.779 --> 04:37.959 enhancing our own ability so we work 04:37.959 --> 04:40.181 together here in this theater and again 04:40.181 --> 04:42.237 that that allows the Marine Corps to 04:42.237 --> 04:44.403 then take those lessons back and apply 04:44.403 --> 04:46.515 it elsewhere and so I think there's a 04:46.515 --> 04:48.459 there's a ton of value that . That 04:48.459 --> 04:50.515 comes , uh , with that , and we also 04:50.515 --> 04:52.292 have that sort of shared , uh , 04:52.489 --> 04:54.378 understanding is , is we can come 04:54.378 --> 04:56.545 together and we can , we can , uh , we 04:56.545 --> 04:58.545 can gain those lessons learned from 04:58.545 --> 04:58.440 each other and then we can take them 04:58.440 --> 05:01.989 back . So again , uh , tied to the goal 05:01.989 --> 05:04.100 and tied to the previous question , I 05:04.100 --> 05:06.950 think . Because we all have a shared 05:06.950 --> 05:09.309 and a common goal that allows 05:09.309 --> 05:11.440 commanders , I think , to implicitly 05:11.440 --> 05:13.607 trust either subordinate commanders or 05:13.607 --> 05:15.829 adjacent commanders . So in the case of 05:15.829 --> 05:18.000 our allies where we have adjacent 05:18.000 --> 05:20.111 organizations or we're working and we 05:20.111 --> 05:22.111 have interoperable organizations in 05:22.111 --> 05:24.333 some cases within these exercises . The 05:24.333 --> 05:26.167 commanders inherently trust what 05:26.167 --> 05:28.167 subordinates from maybe a different 05:28.167 --> 05:30.111 nation or senior commanders from a 05:30.111 --> 05:31.889 different nation , what they're 05:31.889 --> 05:34.000 communicating either down or up , and 05:34.000 --> 05:36.222 we're able to trust that because we all 05:36.222 --> 05:38.222 see the fundamental goal and we all 05:38.222 --> 05:40.444 understand that we all agree and we all 05:40.444 --> 05:42.611 share that goal , you know , depending 05:42.611 --> 05:42.500 on what the exercise is directed 05:42.500 --> 05:44.500 towards , but because we all we all 05:44.500 --> 05:46.667 share that sense and that idea , we're 05:46.667 --> 05:48.333 able to work towards that and 05:48.333 --> 05:50.500 ultimately commanders can trust that . 05:50.500 --> 05:52.500 You couple that then with obviously 05:52.500 --> 05:55.750 very experienced and capable allies 05:56.410 --> 05:58.690 who have very similar education 05:58.690 --> 06:00.579 background , understanding from a 06:00.579 --> 06:02.579 military perspective , it increases 06:02.579 --> 06:04.412 that that that shared trust . So 06:04.412 --> 06:06.410 commanders and various nations who 06:06.410 --> 06:08.609 share similar education and training 06:08.609 --> 06:11.130 experiences , it allows them to , it 06:11.130 --> 06:13.130 builds that inherent trust and that 06:13.220 --> 06:15.387 that thus the information that's being 06:15.387 --> 06:17.609 provided . Depending on whatever system 06:17.609 --> 06:19.831 it's being communicated ultimately from 06:19.831 --> 06:19.790 commander to commander that can be 06:19.790 --> 06:22.012 trusted well like you talked about it , 06:22.012 --> 06:24.200 it enables , well , we talk about it , 06:24.209 --> 06:26.265 it enables trust , but really what I 06:26.265 --> 06:28.431 think it enables the Army will use the 06:28.431 --> 06:30.487 term mission command . It enables us 06:30.487 --> 06:32.709 mission type orders is the language the 06:32.709 --> 06:34.487 Marine Corps will use at a at a 06:34.487 --> 06:36.709 tactical level , but you know it allows 06:36.709 --> 06:39.042 us to take . The thing we honor so much , 06:39.042 --> 06:41.480 which is that commander's intent and it 06:41.480 --> 06:43.839 allows us and commanders to weaponize 06:43.839 --> 06:45.672 the commander's intent so we can 06:45.672 --> 06:47.959 weaponize that and operate and then 06:47.959 --> 06:49.959 when we can't communicate because 06:50.109 --> 06:52.260 communication can be difficult in 06:52.260 --> 06:54.538 terrain , especially in the high north , 06:54.538 --> 06:56.649 it can be very , very difficult . The 06:56.649 --> 06:58.482 weather can become a challenge . 06:58.482 --> 06:58.399 Geography is always going to be a 06:58.399 --> 07:00.621 challenge because of all those things , 07:00.621 --> 07:02.732 because of that trust , you know , we 07:02.732 --> 07:05.066 have that trust and we can operate . Uh , 07:05.066 --> 07:07.177 I , I think , uh , I think that trust 07:07.177 --> 07:09.066 is a huge contributing factor and 07:09.066 --> 07:11.288 allows us to , to weaponize those tools 07:11.288 --> 07:11.250 and that commander's intent that we 07:11.250 --> 07:14.399 have . My experience , uh , I've worked 07:14.399 --> 07:16.980 in , uh , in the Indo-Pacific and so 07:16.980 --> 07:19.036 I've had an opportunity to work with 07:19.036 --> 07:21.369 our allies in the Indo-Pacific and , uh , 07:21.369 --> 07:23.647 having an opportunity to work out here . 07:23.647 --> 07:25.980 I , I don't know . I don't know if it's , 07:25.980 --> 07:28.200 if it's necessarily different . Uh , I 07:28.200 --> 07:30.200 think what it does highlight , uh , 07:30.200 --> 07:32.200 highlights , there's certainly some 07:32.200 --> 07:34.200 strengths , and you know one of the 07:34.200 --> 07:36.144 strengths is we all share a common 07:36.144 --> 07:38.200 language generally . The Nordics are 07:38.200 --> 07:40.422 extremely strong , you know , and we're 07:40.422 --> 07:42.644 talking about cold response generally I 07:42.644 --> 07:44.978 refer to our allies in the Nordics , uh , 07:44.978 --> 07:47.089 their , their , their strength in the 07:47.089 --> 07:46.279 English language is , is quite 07:46.279 --> 07:48.519 incredible , um , and so that , that 07:48.519 --> 07:50.709 obviously reduces , uh , some of the 07:50.709 --> 07:52.820 friction that you might experience in 07:52.820 --> 07:54.876 other nations certainly . Uh , the , 07:54.876 --> 07:57.098 the ability to communicate , uh , makes 07:57.098 --> 07:59.265 it , it makes it , uh , a lot easier , 07:59.420 --> 08:03.179 um . But uh I don't , I don't 08:03.179 --> 08:05.401 necessarily know that there's , there's 08:05.401 --> 08:07.623 a lot different , I , you know , this , 08:07.623 --> 08:09.859 this organization , uh , well , we have 08:09.859 --> 08:12.081 worked with , with Norway a lot , so we 08:12.081 --> 08:14.192 have a deep fundamental understanding 08:14.192 --> 08:16.359 with , with the Norwegians . They have 08:16.359 --> 08:18.420 us , uh , the other allies , uh , 08:18.440 --> 08:20.380 within , within NATO , uh , we've 08:20.380 --> 08:23.279 always worked in different bilateral 08:23.279 --> 08:25.980 engagements and and arrangements and 08:25.980 --> 08:28.036 under cold response , you know , the 08:28.036 --> 08:30.258 different , the various allies that are 08:30.258 --> 08:33.580 coming to participate . Um , I , I , 08:33.659 --> 08:35.937 you know , I , I don't know if there's , 08:35.937 --> 08:37.770 I don't know if it's necessarily 08:37.770 --> 08:39.826 different . It's , there's certainly 08:39.826 --> 08:41.826 some strengths , you know , given , 08:41.826 --> 08:44.159 given some of the , the , the deep , uh . 08:44.159 --> 08:46.381 Uh , the deep , uh , relationships that 08:46.381 --> 08:48.548 we have and the history that we have , 08:48.548 --> 08:50.215 but also that comes with some 08:50.215 --> 08:52.381 challenges . So because of that , that 08:52.381 --> 08:52.140 those relationships , there's a lot of , 08:52.599 --> 08:54.520 uh , I , I won't necessarily say 08:54.520 --> 08:56.576 bureaucracy , but 31 other nations , 08:56.576 --> 08:58.631 you know , if you were to talk about 08:58.631 --> 09:00.520 NATO , there's always some , some 09:00.520 --> 09:00.479 interesting challenges with that that 09:00.479 --> 09:02.646 are all good . Those are good problems 09:02.646 --> 09:04.868 to have . It's probably the best way to 09:04.868 --> 09:06.923 think about it , um , so I , I don't 09:06.923 --> 09:09.146 know , I don't know if it's necessarily 09:09.146 --> 09:11.368 anything different , uh , than anything 09:11.368 --> 09:13.590 in the past , but I , I do see . Uh , I 09:13.590 --> 09:15.812 do see that , you know , there's always 09:15.812 --> 09:17.868 strengths , there's always , there's 09:17.868 --> 09:17.440 always strengths and always challenges 09:17.440 --> 09:19.662 with , with any sort of , uh , any sort 09:19.662 --> 09:21.884 of coalition or any sort of alliance or 09:21.884 --> 09:24.000 any sort of agreement or or 09:24.400 --> 09:26.400 organization where multiple nations 09:26.400 --> 09:28.511 come together to identify and solve a 09:28.511 --> 09:30.400 problem . 32 nations have to come 09:30.400 --> 09:32.067 together , all have different 09:32.067 --> 09:34.178 militaries , all have different , you 09:34.178 --> 09:33.849 know , somewhat different education 09:33.849 --> 09:36.200 culturally it's different . There's a 09:36.200 --> 09:38.144 huge challenge with that , but the 09:38.144 --> 09:40.200 history , the history that we have , 09:40.200 --> 09:42.422 there's strengths in that . The inverse 09:42.422 --> 09:44.144 in other places , right , it's 09:44.144 --> 09:46.256 different . The , the culture is , we 09:46.256 --> 09:48.533 don't have as , as a deep a connection , 09:48.533 --> 09:48.530 let's say in the Indo-Pacific with some 09:48.530 --> 09:50.840 of those , those allies , um , 09:50.929 --> 09:52.929 culturally there's obviously , uh , 09:52.929 --> 09:54.985 there's challenges there , but right 09:54.985 --> 09:57.207 inverse , you could say numbers and you 09:57.207 --> 09:59.207 could say that lack of history then 09:59.207 --> 10:01.373 creates opportunities and how we might 10:01.373 --> 10:03.318 be able to approach a problem . So 10:03.318 --> 10:05.485 different , uh , not one is not one is 10:05.485 --> 10:07.596 not better than the other , certainly 10:07.596 --> 10:07.530 different , uh , and they all have 10:07.530 --> 10:09.770 their strengths and challenges . From 10:09.770 --> 10:12.103 the Marine Corps perspective , you know , 10:12.103 --> 10:14.214 we're , we're , we're , we're mission 10:14.214 --> 10:16.326 accomplishment and troop welfare . So 10:16.326 --> 10:18.437 if mission accomplishment is , is the 10:18.437 --> 10:21.030 number one thing , then capability , uh , 10:21.039 --> 10:23.261 then we'll always focus on capability . 10:23.261 --> 10:25.317 When you think about troop welfare , 10:25.317 --> 10:27.372 that'll be . You know whether or not 10:27.372 --> 10:29.483 that second is always it was always a 10:29.483 --> 10:31.428 fun conversation within leadership 10:31.428 --> 10:33.483 circles , uh , but , uh , you know , 10:33.483 --> 10:35.706 culture and national nationality , no , 10:35.789 --> 10:38.011 but the culture tied to the nationality 10:38.011 --> 10:40.067 and what that means and and how that 10:40.067 --> 10:41.956 then is rooted back up into troop 10:41.956 --> 10:44.122 welfare , I think that's what's that's 10:44.122 --> 10:46.067 what's important so not one or the 10:46.067 --> 10:48.122 other , not that one matters and one 10:48.122 --> 10:50.233 doesn't matter and certainly not that 10:50.233 --> 10:52.456 um . We focus on one or the other , but 10:52.456 --> 10:54.511 understanding what , what do we mean 10:54.511 --> 10:56.511 when we say nationality ? Well , we 10:56.511 --> 10:58.733 don't , we don't , we , what we mean is 10:58.733 --> 11:00.956 the culture , especially in a foreign , 11:00.956 --> 11:00.849 in a foreign country , uh , what does 11:00.849 --> 11:02.960 that mean ? And I think that's what's 11:02.960 --> 11:05.016 important . So if we , if we use the 11:05.016 --> 11:07.238 capability and nationality or we'll use 11:07.238 --> 11:09.293 the mission accomplishment truth wel 11:09.293 --> 11:11.405 welfare , uh , framework , uh , I , I 11:11.405 --> 11:14.640 think . Uh , for us , understanding 11:15.059 --> 11:17.226 what capabilities we have , the Marine 11:17.226 --> 11:19.392 Corps generally knows the capabilities 11:19.392 --> 11:21.448 that we have are very strong in that 11:21.448 --> 11:23.615 understanding where , where we can fit 11:23.615 --> 11:26.340 in , but , but inversely we have an 11:26.340 --> 11:28.979 operating concept . We have the way by 11:28.979 --> 11:31.539 which we prefer to fight as a as a 11:31.539 --> 11:33.706 Marine Corps , as an organization . So 11:33.706 --> 11:35.817 we , you know , we , we , we prefer , 11:35.817 --> 11:37.940 we desire that ability to fight as a 11:37.940 --> 11:40.159 MATAF that's that's been an honored . 11:40.919 --> 11:44.760 and tested way by which we operate and 11:44.760 --> 11:46.799 so you know it's communicating that 11:46.799 --> 11:49.799 capability to our allies and for them 11:49.799 --> 11:51.910 to then understand , OK , this is how 11:51.910 --> 11:53.855 the Marine Corps , this is how the 11:53.855 --> 11:56.077 Marine Corps operates and fights and so 11:56.077 --> 11:58.299 one of the things that they don't do is 11:58.299 --> 12:00.466 they won't , they , the Marine Corps , 12:00.466 --> 12:00.080 won't necessarily amalgamate their 12:00.080 --> 12:03.000 force across , they'll send ground 12:03.000 --> 12:04.944 forces to the land . Component and 12:04.944 --> 12:06.778 they'll send air forces to their 12:06.778 --> 12:08.722 component . That's not the way the 12:08.722 --> 12:10.889 Marine Corps fights because that's not 12:10.889 --> 12:10.809 within our own culture . That's not 12:10.809 --> 12:12.969 within our own operational concepts . 12:13.049 --> 12:14.827 So we fight as a MATAF and it's 12:14.827 --> 12:17.049 communicating that to our allies . It's 12:17.049 --> 12:18.938 them understanding this is how we 12:18.938 --> 12:20.882 operate and then inversely when we 12:20.882 --> 12:23.049 communicate , understanding what their 12:23.049 --> 12:25.271 culture and their understanding is that 12:25.271 --> 12:27.609 allows us to to to to , you know , at a 12:27.609 --> 12:29.720 higher level other than the fact that 12:29.720 --> 12:32.650 we just share . A common language , uh , 12:32.659 --> 12:34.770 we're able to communicate on , on a , 12:34.770 --> 12:36.992 on a deeper level that way when we have 12:36.992 --> 12:39.159 that shared understanding so both from 12:39.159 --> 12:41.326 the , from the culture aspect and then 12:41.326 --> 12:43.900 from the capabilities aspect . I think , 12:44.109 --> 12:46.669 I think the Marine Corps brings a ton 12:46.669 --> 12:49.809 of unique capabilities , and I , and , 12:49.820 --> 12:51.764 and , and I think the Marine Corps 12:51.764 --> 12:55.520 within itself is still identifying and 12:55.549 --> 12:58.719 and refining and then communicating 12:58.719 --> 13:00.941 those capabilities to the broader force 13:00.941 --> 13:02.997 both within the joint force and then 13:02.997 --> 13:05.052 within our allies . Uh , I think the 13:05.052 --> 13:07.108 commandant has called us the JTAC of 13:07.108 --> 13:08.997 the joint force , and so that's , 13:08.997 --> 13:11.219 that's something that we've articulated 13:11.219 --> 13:12.941 as one of our , uh , our value 13:12.941 --> 13:14.886 propositions to our allies is that 13:14.886 --> 13:17.619 ability to , to , to understand and , 13:17.739 --> 13:21.250 and , and develop a , a complex plan 13:21.250 --> 13:24.020 across multi domains , uh , and 13:24.020 --> 13:26.187 understanding how , how to synchronize 13:26.187 --> 13:28.250 those efforts . We have , we have 13:28.250 --> 13:30.472 thought about it . We as a Marine Corps 13:30.472 --> 13:32.417 have thought about it a lot . Uh , 13:32.417 --> 13:34.639 we've , we've worked on it a lot . Uh , 13:34.639 --> 13:34.549 our force design efforts definitely 13:35.130 --> 13:37.352 direct us towards that , and you know , 13:37.352 --> 13:39.630 in terms of the broader strategic , uh , 13:40.489 --> 13:42.619 uh , role , I think the Marine Corps 13:42.619 --> 13:45.039 has a role . I think that's the Marine 13:45.039 --> 13:48.229 Corps' value proposition within , uh , 13:48.239 --> 13:50.239 within the organization right now , 13:50.239 --> 13:52.239 within , within NATO , with its its 13:52.239 --> 13:54.461 allies . That's , that's something that 13:54.461 --> 13:56.795 we can absolutely fill , uh , and , and , 13:56.795 --> 13:58.795 uh , and support . Uh , I , it , it 13:58.795 --> 14:00.961 depends on the domain , and , and this 14:00.961 --> 14:02.906 is one of those areas that , in my 14:02.906 --> 14:04.906 personal opinion , one of the areas 14:04.906 --> 14:07.017 that as Marines , I think that we can 14:07.017 --> 14:09.128 gain an understanding , uh , when our 14:09.128 --> 14:11.969 Nordic allies are extremely capable in 14:11.969 --> 14:13.913 cold weather . I've never done the 14:13.913 --> 14:16.191 mountain warfare training package . Uh , 14:16.191 --> 14:18.413 I've never done cold weather training . 14:18.690 --> 14:22.020 But I am confident that I am not as 14:22.020 --> 14:24.419 good as the , as our as our allies at 14:24.419 --> 14:26.530 that , and , and I would suspect that 14:26.530 --> 14:29.650 even um . I , I have the sense that 14:29.650 --> 14:31.872 even Marines who have gone through some 14:31.872 --> 14:34.039 of that training , we still have a lot 14:34.039 --> 14:33.830 to learn from our , from our Nordic 14:33.830 --> 14:37.690 allies , so , um . What we , 14:38.469 --> 14:40.302 what , what we lack in , in that 14:40.302 --> 14:42.530 capability in some ways in , in , in 14:42.530 --> 14:45.169 just what our focus is and , and , and 14:45.169 --> 14:47.225 just where the Marine Corps is , you 14:47.225 --> 14:49.619 know , we make up in our ethos and , 14:49.729 --> 14:51.896 and I think that's been so critical of 14:51.896 --> 14:54.229 how the Marine Corps broadly approaches , 14:54.229 --> 14:56.118 you know , force design is always 14:56.118 --> 14:58.229 capabilities , but what's always been 14:58.229 --> 15:00.451 been the , the baseline element of that 15:00.451 --> 15:02.396 is always the Marine Corps ethos . 15:02.396 --> 15:04.770 We'll never lose that , uh . And that I 15:04.770 --> 15:08.219 think really is the causal factor to 15:08.219 --> 15:11.049 our lethality . So yes , we may not be 15:11.049 --> 15:13.340 as comfortable in cold weather as our 15:13.340 --> 15:16.090 Nordic allies and that we that we may 15:16.090 --> 15:18.368 need to learn from them . That is true . 15:18.368 --> 15:20.590 However , our ethos and our approach to 15:20.590 --> 15:23.369 war fighting as a service and our 15:23.369 --> 15:25.369 culture as a service towards that . 15:26.030 --> 15:28.169 Gives me nothing but confidence that 15:29.239 --> 15:31.510 we'll we'll figure that out as we've 15:31.510 --> 15:33.732 figured anything out , as we've learned 15:33.732 --> 15:35.843 how to fight in the desert , as we've 15:35.843 --> 15:38.177 learned how to fight from ship to shore , 15:38.177 --> 15:37.950 as our history has shown us , we can 15:37.950 --> 15:39.909 operate anywhere and do anything 15:40.659 --> 15:43.830 because we have the drive , we have the 15:43.830 --> 15:45.719 culture and the lethality and the 15:45.719 --> 15:47.941 mindset from our youngest Marines up to 15:47.941 --> 15:50.289 our most senior Marines . You know 15:50.289 --> 15:52.511 we've , we've talked about , you know , 15:52.979 --> 15:55.201 a deep relationship that we've had with 15:55.201 --> 15:57.640 with Norway , so we've shared that , uh , 15:58.599 --> 16:00.766 you know , the Marine Corps has shared 16:00.766 --> 16:03.270 that deep relationship with Norway . I 16:03.270 --> 16:07.000 think cold response is in many ways . 16:07.609 --> 16:09.609 Uh , affirmation or , you know , we 16:09.609 --> 16:11.609 reaffirm , you know , directly with 16:11.609 --> 16:13.776 those allies , but we also say , hey , 16:13.776 --> 16:15.887 we , we honor , you know , one of the 16:15.887 --> 16:18.109 things about cold responses as a Marine 16:18.109 --> 16:20.109 Corps , we see , we see the Nordics 16:20.109 --> 16:22.331 broadly too , so , so , you know , we , 16:22.331 --> 16:24.276 we see . Um , we see our Norwegian 16:24.276 --> 16:26.276 allies and , and , and we work with 16:26.276 --> 16:28.442 them habitually , but we recognize the 16:28.442 --> 16:30.553 value of the other Nordic allies that 16:30.553 --> 16:32.720 come with Finland , Sweden , Denmark , 16:32.919 --> 16:34.863 Iceland , and everybody else , not 16:34.863 --> 16:37.030 knowing exactly who's participating in 16:37.030 --> 16:39.030 the exercise , but we see the value 16:39.030 --> 16:40.975 broadly , um , you know , within , 16:40.975 --> 16:43.086 within the Nordics , um , and I think 16:43.086 --> 16:46.690 maybe . Not necessarily understood , uh , 16:46.700 --> 16:48.880 is , is one historical perspective of 16:48.880 --> 16:50.936 the Marine Corps within , you know , 16:50.936 --> 16:53.102 our , our historical ties to to Norway 16:53.102 --> 16:56.659 broadly , uh , but then . Um , or , or , 16:56.690 --> 16:58.634 or more , more specific , but then 16:58.634 --> 17:00.857 broadly as , as Finland and Sweden have 17:00.857 --> 17:03.369 assessed into NATO , uh , we , we , we 17:03.369 --> 17:05.591 continue to see opportunities and value 17:05.591 --> 17:07.647 of training with those allies , uh , 17:07.647 --> 17:09.536 because of all the experience and 17:09.536 --> 17:11.591 knowledge and expertise that they've 17:11.591 --> 17:11.290 had , and they've developed over the 17:11.290 --> 17:13.290 time too . So , uh , I have several 17:13.290 --> 17:15.401 ethos that I that I sort of , I write 17:15.401 --> 17:17.679 down and I have to , I have to look at . 17:17.679 --> 17:20.259 I'll give you . I'll give you two , and 17:20.259 --> 17:22.538 what is not , I may not , may not apply 17:22.538 --> 17:25.139 to cold response , but one is , uh , uh , 17:25.178 --> 17:27.178 anything is possible for those that 17:27.178 --> 17:29.178 don't have to do it . And so I , as 17:29.178 --> 17:31.899 somebody who has to write and who 17:31.899 --> 17:33.732 writes plans that , that I don't 17:33.732 --> 17:35.677 execute , uh , that's an important 17:35.677 --> 17:37.621 thing that I have to remind myself 17:37.621 --> 17:40.038 daily is that when we do these things 17:40.298 --> 17:42.631 and , and you can see the execution , I , 17:42.631 --> 17:44.909 I didn't plan cold response , but . Um , 17:44.909 --> 17:46.909 those are things that I keep in the 17:46.909 --> 17:48.965 back of my mind always is that I'm , 17:48.965 --> 17:51.131 I'm essentially writing a check that a 17:51.131 --> 17:50.459 young lance corporal has to , has to 17:50.459 --> 17:52.979 execute and then as an infantry officer 17:52.979 --> 17:55.089 I always have to remind myself that 17:55.099 --> 17:57.432 everything is a frontal assault , right ? 17:57.489 --> 17:59.433 Everything eventually turns into a 17:59.433 --> 18:01.600 frontal assault , uh , for a squad and 18:01.600 --> 18:03.656 so we always talk about , you know , 18:03.656 --> 18:05.878 envelopments and flanks and , and , you 18:05.878 --> 18:07.545 know , uh , you know . Double 18:07.545 --> 18:09.600 envelopment or single envelopment or 18:09.600 --> 18:09.430 anything like that , but to the squad 18:09.430 --> 18:11.430 on the ground that has to close the 18:11.430 --> 18:13.479 last 50 m , everything is a frontal 18:13.479 --> 18:15.646 frontal assault to that squad leader . 18:15.646 --> 18:17.812 So I always have to remind myself that 18:17.812 --> 18:19.868 too is everything can look nice on a 18:19.868 --> 18:21.868 map . Eventually it's going to come 18:21.868 --> 18:24.090 down to that . And so , uh , I mean the 18:24.090 --> 18:23.660 Marines are out there executing and , 18:23.709 --> 18:27.339 and , and , and as planners it's , 18:27.459 --> 18:29.570 it's important to know I think that . 18:30.239 --> 18:32.295 We plan these operations in the high 18:32.295 --> 18:34.461 north and , and for me it's a , it's a 18:34.461 --> 18:36.660 location on a map . It's a 2D thing on 18:36.660 --> 18:39.979 a PowerPoint or a map that I , that I 18:39.979 --> 18:42.560 mark on the spot and , and I say go . 18:42.979 --> 18:45.035 Um , I don't say go , but I say this 18:45.035 --> 18:46.979 would be an option by which uh the 18:46.979 --> 18:49.201 Marines could , could plan , you know , 18:49.201 --> 18:51.201 the commanders and , and , and they 18:51.201 --> 18:53.930 decide . Um , But that ultimately 18:53.930 --> 18:56.041 translates into something for a Lance 18:56.041 --> 18:58.208 Corporal to do . Somebody's gonna have 18:58.208 --> 19:00.152 to put on that cold weather gear . 19:00.152 --> 19:02.374 Somebody's gonna have to figure out how 19:02.374 --> 19:04.597 to get the stuff off of the boat onto a 19:04.597 --> 19:06.652 truck , onto a truck to a location , 19:06.652 --> 19:08.874 whether rain or shine . Somebody has to 19:08.874 --> 19:10.819 do that . Um , and so when I think 19:10.819 --> 19:10.530 everything is possible for those that 19:10.530 --> 19:12.530 don't have to do it , that's always 19:12.530 --> 19:14.641 important to me when it when it comes 19:14.641 --> 19:16.752 to these plans because . Somebody has 19:16.752 --> 19:18.863 to do that work . Somebody's going to 19:18.863 --> 19:20.919 have to go and establish a defense , 19:21.000 --> 19:23.111 conduct an offensive engagement or an 19:23.111 --> 19:25.222 offensive maneuver . Somebody's gonna 19:25.222 --> 19:27.000 have to conduct the logistics . 19:27.000 --> 19:29.222 Somebody has to fly a plane and all the 19:29.222 --> 19:31.278 stuff and things that . To make sure 19:31.278 --> 19:31.270 that that plane is safe and serviceable 19:32.050 --> 19:34.050 in extreme cold weather , all those 19:34.050 --> 19:37.250 things matter , and it's important from 19:37.250 --> 19:40.010 my perspective you know that I have a 19:40.010 --> 19:42.650 deep understanding of what that 19:42.650 --> 19:44.817 requirement is . And even if I don't , 19:44.817 --> 19:46.761 which I usually don't , at least I 19:46.761 --> 19:49.520 understand . Thematically that , that , 19:49.579 --> 19:51.709 uh , anything is possible for those 19:51.709 --> 19:53.653 that don't have to do it . I don't 19:53.653 --> 19:55.876 wanna be that . I , I need to keep that 19:55.876 --> 19:55.849 in the back of my mind so that I ask 19:55.849 --> 19:58.016 those right questions or when somebody 19:58.016 --> 19:59.849 says , hey , that's not possible 19:59.849 --> 20:02.016 because of X , Y , and Z , hey , I got 20:02.016 --> 20:01.849 it . I'm , I'm not gonna be the one 20:01.849 --> 20:03.609 executing , so , um .