WEBVTT 00:00.129 --> 00:03.769 Feel it a bit there . Uh , listen , we 00:03.910 --> 00:06.309 read this paragraph in here about these 00:06.309 --> 00:08.869 quotes coronal discharges that you guys 00:08.869 --> 00:11.109 were seeing and , and that , that 00:11.109 --> 00:13.550 completely stops us . Tell , tell us 00:13.550 --> 00:16.229 what , how this came about and who , 00:16.309 --> 00:18.531 who talked to you about it and what and 00:18.531 --> 00:20.909 what you saw . We reported it on uh 00:20.909 --> 00:22.853 somebody reported it on one of the 00:22.853 --> 00:25.649 earlier flights and uh . Some guy up , 00:25.739 --> 00:27.572 I got the letter , the paperwork 00:27.572 --> 00:29.795 somewhere , and they shipped it down to 00:29.795 --> 00:31.906 me at the Cape about two things where 00:31.906 --> 00:34.017 the VHF radio noises , which could be 00:34.017 --> 00:36.072 discharges from someplace in space , 00:36.139 --> 00:40.069 and the other one where , my father was 00:40.069 --> 00:42.069 on flight , he's got airport seeing 00:42.069 --> 00:44.180 flashes in a spacecraft at night with 00:44.180 --> 00:46.236 their eyes closed or with their eyes 00:46.236 --> 00:48.236 closed . They , they , they noticed 00:48.236 --> 00:50.402 them when they were awake at night and 00:50.402 --> 00:52.347 the spacecraft was dark , and they 00:52.347 --> 00:52.020 thought they were in a spacecraft . 00:52.610 --> 00:54.777 Yeah . But , uh , whoever this guy was 00:54.777 --> 00:56.721 said no , that's a perfectly known 00:56.721 --> 00:58.610 phenomenon you can get discharged 00:58.610 --> 01:00.554 across your eye from gamma rays or 01:00.554 --> 01:02.888 something . So he had a bunch of things , 01:03.009 --> 01:06.019 would we . Close our eyes and face the 01:06.019 --> 01:08.241 moon , you know , when we were orbiting 01:08.241 --> 01:10.463 it because it would be more , you'd get 01:10.463 --> 01:12.519 less discharges facing the moon than 01:12.519 --> 01:14.739 away from it . You don't have to be 01:14.739 --> 01:16.795 anywhere near the moon or anywhere . 01:16.795 --> 01:19.150 The first night out , bing , bing . And 01:19.150 --> 01:21.629 if you , if you keep your eyes closed 01:21.629 --> 01:23.685 and you're awake down there and it's 01:23.685 --> 01:25.796 dark and you think about it , when it 01:25.796 --> 01:27.851 happens , you can put your eye , you 01:27.851 --> 01:30.185 can , you can sit down and it's one eye . 01:30.185 --> 01:32.351 It , it's not a discharge that you see 01:32.351 --> 01:32.029 in both eyes . You really see it with 01:32.029 --> 01:34.550 one eye or the other eye , and you can 01:34.550 --> 01:36.828 see what kind it is . We had two kinds . 01:37.519 --> 01:39.519 Gets the particle either strike the 01:39.519 --> 01:41.879 eyeball perpendicular or or it 01:41.879 --> 01:44.199 discharges parallel and we'd get either 01:44.199 --> 01:47.360 a a flash like that or we'd get a 01:47.360 --> 01:51.089 streak . And uh and I'm the only people 01:51.089 --> 01:54.989 that I know is I got . I And I for 01:54.989 --> 01:57.045 some reason got it more with my left 01:57.045 --> 01:59.045 eye than my right eye , but I could 01:59.045 --> 02:00.878 tell which eye it was when I was 02:00.878 --> 02:02.878 concentrating on it . I'm trying to 02:02.878 --> 02:04.989 tell you the reason he did it because 02:04.989 --> 02:07.156 his , where he slept was always on the 02:07.156 --> 02:09.211 left side of the spacecraft . That I 02:09.211 --> 02:11.100 got switched on the crosser and I 02:11.100 --> 02:13.270 caught all the right ones . Yeah . 02:22.720 --> 02:24.831 They should have protected you , They 02:24.831 --> 02:26.776 should have all , they should have 02:26.776 --> 02:28.776 picked them all up . Surprising I'm 02:28.779 --> 02:30.835 surprised you didn't hear about this 02:30.899 --> 02:33.066 because you were asked to specifically 02:33.066 --> 02:36.210 experiment with this thing . 2 pages in 02:36.210 --> 02:38.669 the place in the water and we didn't 02:38.669 --> 02:42.029 bother because we were . Oh , there's a 02:42.029 --> 02:44.362 paper right now on the very exact thing , 02:44.362 --> 02:46.362 a new phenomenon that came out of a 02:46.362 --> 02:48.362 letter . Buzz and Neil talked about 02:48.362 --> 02:50.830 this . I , I remember their 02:50.830 --> 02:53.052 conversation about it . They thought it 02:53.052 --> 02:55.219 was something , you know , penetrating 02:55.219 --> 02:58.449 the spacecraft . What Pete described is 02:58.449 --> 03:00.616 the exact phenomenon that all three of 03:00.616 --> 03:02.838 us saw . You'd see a light , you know , 03:02.838 --> 03:04.838 just a flash out there or sometimes 03:04.838 --> 03:08.279 it'd be a a streak . And I saw them in 03:08.279 --> 03:10.729 both eyes , either eye , and , uh , I 03:10.759 --> 03:12.815 can't remember if there was one that 03:12.815 --> 03:14.926 was more predominant than the other , 03:14.926 --> 03:16.648 but I agree with Pete . It's a 03:16.648 --> 03:18.815 phenomenon that you're not seeing with 03:18.815 --> 03:21.037 both eyes . It's not something external 03:21.037 --> 03:23.148 to you . It's something that's inside 03:23.148 --> 03:25.315 or coming across you . Apparently they 03:25.315 --> 03:27.537 know about it . Apparently it's a known 03:28.220 --> 03:30.276 known phenomenon . Well , we've been 03:30.276 --> 03:32.600 looking for cosmic rays , you know , 03:32.759 --> 03:36.160 cosmic ray strikes and heavy , heavy 03:36.160 --> 03:38.327 particles , heavy nuclei that are that 03:38.327 --> 03:40.438 go through . You know , we started at 03:40.438 --> 03:42.049 clear back in Mercury taking 03:42.049 --> 03:44.271 photographs of the retina to see if you 03:44.271 --> 03:44.199 could see the streaks across the retina 03:44.199 --> 03:46.366 and stuff . We never could find any in 03:46.366 --> 03:48.949 there . And so we stopped that up early 03:48.949 --> 03:51.282 in the , well by the end of the . Right . 03:52.110 --> 03:54.570 Your eye is what , the fastest healer 03:54.570 --> 03:56.403 on your body , and if it's doing 03:56.403 --> 03:58.737 anything , you're never going to see it . 03:58.737 --> 03:58.600 By the time you get a guy back , all 03:58.600 --> 04:00.767 they're ever going to see it is if you 04:00.767 --> 04:02.933 photographed it right after a particle 04:02.933 --> 04:05.044 went by . Well , probably what , what 04:05.044 --> 04:05.000 it's doing anyway is probably hitting 04:05.000 --> 04:07.919 just a single cell and , uh , yeah , 04:08.360 --> 04:09.916 that's all I'd have to do , 04:09.916 --> 04:12.027 particularly to make this flash , you 04:12.027 --> 04:14.082 know , you hit a single cell . I saw 04:14.082 --> 04:16.249 one night because I was looking at the 04:16.249 --> 04:18.360 MVP a handrail up above and one right 04:18.360 --> 04:20.360 right along . I don't know where it 04:20.360 --> 04:22.471 went . It appeared , you know , right 04:22.471 --> 04:24.638 straight along that handrail for about 04:24.638 --> 04:26.749 that , that distance . And I just got 04:26.749 --> 04:28.971 to be looking at that , and now you can 04:28.971 --> 04:31.082 almost see him at will . That's right 04:31.082 --> 04:30.700 where you just lie there and you close 04:30.700 --> 04:32.756 your eyes . What if they don't wanna 04:32.756 --> 04:35.119 see one you open one eye and judges 04:35.119 --> 04:37.959 already see it . You didn't believe it 04:37.959 --> 04:40.181 at first that we thought it was right . 04:42.040 --> 04:44.119 You know , hey , I've been sitting 04:44.119 --> 04:47.029 pretty well . On the , uh 04:48.320 --> 04:51.489 You see that . They said in the middle 04:51.489 --> 04:53.711 of the mission , you'd wake up at night 04:53.711 --> 04:55.878 and you'd say , well , I think I ought 04:55.878 --> 04:57.933 to see , Those ladies come about one 04:57.933 --> 04:57.750 minute . 05:01.859 --> 05:03.950 Uh , let , let me ask you one more 05:03.950 --> 05:06.369 question about heart . Uh , oh , here , 05:07.440 --> 05:09.218 were , were these random , uh , 05:09.218 --> 05:11.959 distribution of these , uh , or , or 05:11.959 --> 05:14.181 did they seem to be fairly horizontal ? 05:14.839 --> 05:17.489 OK , uh , were these , were these 05:17.489 --> 05:20.850 things random or did they all seem to 05:20.850 --> 05:22.906 be in one direction ? Like were they 05:22.906 --> 05:24.794 always horizontal or were they at 05:24.794 --> 05:26.906 random ? They could be at any kind of 05:26.906 --> 05:29.239 angle . But the streaks I saw one I saw . 05:29.920 --> 05:31.976 I was gonna say that's interesting . 05:31.976 --> 05:33.809 Mine , it seemed to me I had the 05:33.809 --> 05:35.642 impression that they were always 05:35.642 --> 05:37.864 roughly in the same place and mine were 05:37.864 --> 05:39.864 horizontal . The horizontal streaks 05:39.864 --> 05:42.190 were always , if I knew where I was 05:42.190 --> 05:44.190 looking , it always seemed like the 05:44.190 --> 05:46.134 horizontal streak was a little bit 05:46.134 --> 05:48.246 above the center and it always seemed 05:48.246 --> 05:50.357 to me it went from right to left . No 05:50.357 --> 05:53.200 matter which eye it was The , uh , the , 05:53.209 --> 05:56.029 uh , discharges were more towards the 05:56.040 --> 05:58.151 center and , and it would be just a , 05:58.151 --> 06:00.318 it was just like a pinpoint of light . 06:01.209 --> 06:03.700 They closed it yet . Like somebody was 06:03.700 --> 06:06.750 flashing a light at you . That's right . 06:08.119 --> 06:10.119 Generally not too big a light , you 06:10.119 --> 06:12.119 know . Yeah . It wouldn't fill your 06:12.119 --> 06:14.230 very small lot . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 06:14.230 --> 06:14.140 It's a , it's an important . 06:19.000 --> 06:21.278 Is that about the same for both of you ? 06:22.160 --> 06:25.160 Is that the same , uh , reaction you 06:25.160 --> 06:28.299 had and Al , the way he described it ? 06:30.549 --> 06:32.327 What's that about 30 degrees of 06:32.327 --> 06:34.382 horizontal , but they were kind of , 06:34.382 --> 06:36.382 see , I didn't notice them from the 06:36.382 --> 06:38.049 right or left . That's pretty 06:38.049 --> 06:40.390 interesting . Yeah , but about the same , 06:40.670 --> 06:42.670 they seem to appear about the same 06:42.670 --> 06:45.049 place . Yeah , I know . 06:47.570 --> 06:49.940 I . The horizontal ones that I saw were 06:49.940 --> 06:53.739 generally above eye level was generally 06:53.739 --> 06:57.480 high . Now , I , I don't know . I can't 06:57.480 --> 06:59.647 include any other . I can't remember . 06:59.647 --> 07:01.869 I just don't remember any of them being 07:01.869 --> 07:04.036 down in the lower part of the vision . 07:04.036 --> 07:06.147 Well , I , I remember you seeing that 07:06.147 --> 07:08.239 telling you about seeing them . With 07:08.239 --> 07:11.739 his eyes open and , and other 07:12.000 --> 07:14.167 things that he centered his eye on the 07:14.167 --> 07:16.389 lights on the instrument panel . What I 07:16.389 --> 07:18.500 used to notice on the boat was when I 07:18.500 --> 07:18.279 was down there in that sleeping bag , 07:18.359 --> 07:20.415 it was pitch black down there in the 07:20.415 --> 07:22.581 hole . It wouldn't make any difference 07:22.581 --> 07:24.803 whether my eyes were open or closed . I 07:24.803 --> 07:24.440 could lay there for , I used to kill 07:24.440 --> 07:26.820 time that way , say for a half an hour . 07:27.869 --> 07:30.202 Either open them or close them and wait , 07:30.202 --> 07:32.425 and sure enough , after a while , you'd 07:32.425 --> 07:34.591 get one . And then I'd sit there for a 07:34.591 --> 07:36.813 while and say , OK , was it in the left 07:36.813 --> 07:36.239 eye or the right eye ? It'd take you a 07:36.239 --> 07:38.429 while to sort it out , and , uh , but 07:38.429 --> 07:40.651 you can usually figure out which eye it 07:40.651 --> 07:42.873 was in . Now you know what you're doing 07:42.873 --> 07:44.985 when you're supposed to be sleeping . 07:44.985 --> 07:48.809 Yeah . Yeah . And there was 07:48.809 --> 07:49.809 a comment that .