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Good afternoon . I'd like to thank the

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witnesses for being here today at

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today's hearing as we discussed the Air

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Force's fiscal year 2027 budget request .

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I look forward to hearing how this

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budget will get at the challenges of

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our increasingly complex security

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environment . I want to start by

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acknowledging the brave servicemen and

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women who are serving so honorably

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overseas to make the world a safer

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place for us all . I speak for everyone

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when I say that our thoughts and

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prayers are with them . One of my most

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important responsibilities as chairman

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of this subcommittee is ensuring that

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our airmen have the resources ,

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training , and capabilities that

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maintain and grow our edge over our

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adversaries . Today's discussion of

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fleet modernization , strategic

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deterrence , and emerging technologies

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will inform our work towards that goal

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as we head into the heart of this

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year's NDAA cycle . I also want to

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thank President Trump for his year ,

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this year's historic budget request ,

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which will not only get our servicemen

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and women the tools they need to

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succeed , but also boost the ongoing

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revitalization of our defense

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industrial base . I want to focus , uh ,

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today's hearing on the role of the

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bomber and mobility platforms that help

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us overcome the tyranny of distance and

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project American power across the

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furthest reaches of the globe . Our

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bomber fleet is the cornerstone of our

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strategic deterrent , and our mobility

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platforms are the backbone of our

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operational effectiveness , allowing us

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to move personnel , equipment , and

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supplies around the world with

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unmatched efficiency . In today's

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constantly evolving threat environment ,

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our adversaries are investing heavily

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in advanced capabilities as they try to

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close in on our lead . It is critical

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that we ensure that never happens . I

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look forward to hearing from our

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distinguished witnesses as we work to

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find solutions to ensure that our Air

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Force remains the best in the world .

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Now , I'd like to turn it over to my

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good friend , Ranking Member Joe

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Courtney for any opening remarks that

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he may have . Thank you and Mr .

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Courtney . Thank you , uh , Mr . Mr .

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Chairman , and thank you to the

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witnesses for being here today . Um ,

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again , I have written remarks . I'm

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gonna , um , just really summarize

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quick so because I know we want to get

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into the testimony and questions . Um ,

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you know , sometimes people think that

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this subcommittee , uh , only does , um ,

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ships and , and things that float , and ,

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uh , uh , the fact is a big part of our

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portfolio is the airlift , um . work

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that we're going to be discussing here

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today and again there's just so many

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critical platforms , many of which are

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starting to get a little long in the

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tooth that , you know , I think is

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really Requires our urgent attention ,

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uh , whether again it's , uh , I think ,

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yeah , the average age of the fleet is

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about 64 years in terms of the air ,

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you know , some of the , uh , uh ,

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tanker fleet that's out there right now

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and , um , B-52s , you know , we've got

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obviously a B-21 program that's now ,

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you know , gonna be recapitalizing uh

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the bombers which uh Trent mentioned

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and , and so that's obviously , um .

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Again , one of these , uh , programs

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that , you know , we have to just go

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bigger , faster , and , and , you know ,

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make sure that we hit the requirements

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that are out there . I also want to

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talk about the VC ask , ask some

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questions about the VC 25B program

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which there is high public interest and

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we've had , this has been an ongoing

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topic , um , in the subcommittee , not

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just over the last two years , but

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frankly going back to 2017 . Um , so ,

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uh , again , really appreciate , you

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know , the professional witnesses that

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we have here today . As I said , I'll ,

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uh , ask my written remarks to be

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answered for the record and yield back

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without objection . And , and Mr .

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Courtney , I think I got some things

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out of order . The subcommittee will

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now come to order . I ask unanimous

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consent that the chair be authorized to

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declare a recess at any time without

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objection , so ordered . With us today ,

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we have Mr . William Bailey , the

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Assistant secretary of the Air Force

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for acquisition , Technology and

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Logistics , and Lieutenant General Dave

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Tabor , the Deputy Chief of Staff for

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plans and programs . Mr . Bailey ,

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since this is your first time in front

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of this committee , welcome . General

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Tabor , you are a frequent visit , so

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welcome back . I believe the witnesses

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have a joint statement prepared for us

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today , so you are recognized for 5

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minutes for any opening remarks that

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you'd like to make .

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Chairman Kelly , Ranking Member

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Courtney , and the distinguished

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members of the subcommittee . Thank you

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for having us here today to provide

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testimony on the Department of the Air

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Force's protection forces , aviation

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programs , and capabilities . The FY 27

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budget requested bolsters critical

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modernization efforts such as the

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development of the future bomber fleet

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in the B-21 , continuation of

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uninterrupted tanker recapitalization

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with the KC-46 program extension , and

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recapitalization of our strategic

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airlift capabilities through the

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next-gen airlift program . I want to

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highlight on the KC-46 program for the

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moment . From Operation Absolute

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Resolve to Operation Epic Fury , the

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KC-46 has been in the fight for over

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the last several months and it's proven

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to be a critical enabler to the joint

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operations they're in . Though it is

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performing admirably , the fleet still

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faces readiness challenges requiring

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daily heroics from the crews on the

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ground . To address those challenges ,

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the Department of War and the Air Force

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have deliberately prioritized readiness

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initiatives within the FY-27

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president's budget . Those efforts

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initiate reliability improvements ,

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additional sparing , and other

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supportability projects . In parallel ,

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the Air Force and Boeing have embarked

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on a KC-46 readiness improvement

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initiative which repurposes five early

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build aircraft for near-term readiness

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improvements . It streamlines and

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accelerates retrofits for 2 of the

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remaining CA-1 deficiencies and puts

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focused effort into the fleet's primary

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readiness detractors . The combination

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of these two initiatives is expected to

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provide a near-term availability boost

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of approximately 6% . And provide a

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long-term aircraft availability

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increase of over 20% by 2030 .

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The Air Force is moving rapidly to

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implement the Secretary of War's

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acquisition transformation imperatives .

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We appreciate the authorities provided

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by Congress and the FY 26 NDAA and

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continued partnership as we work to

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transform acquisition into a true

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warfighting function . Our focus is on

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mission outcomes with the guiding

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principle of ensuring every portfolio

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acquisition executive or PAE has the

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three things they need to succeed the

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authority , the talent , and the

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resources . The Air Force is taking a

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phased approach on PAEs with the

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initial rollout of 5 portfolios that

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represent a cross section of our most

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critical mission areas to pioneer and

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mature this new framework , and we're

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already seeing successes . We examined

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over 200 contracting authorities to

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identify areas for delegation . As a

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result , 85% of unrestricted

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contracting authorities have been

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delegated to the PAE level , and 100%

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of the Business and Contract Clearance

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Authority now sit with the PAE .

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Translating to real , real world

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impacts , the PAE for Propulsion is

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currently developing a $16 billion

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multiple award IDIQ contract that

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engages over 50 companies across the

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industrial base to rapidly solve

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operational and technological

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challenges . Because of that increased

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delegated authority , empowering the

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PAE to execute a contract ceiling that

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far exceeds historical thresholds , the

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team has already reduced the time

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required to compete and award the

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contract by 40% . Now more than ever ,

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the acquisition enterprise requires a

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highly specialized and agile workforce .

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We're working to ensure PAEs have the

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workforce they need to translate

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significant budget investments into

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capabilities . Due to recent DOW policy

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changes on manpower and the use of

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hiring authorities , PAE weapons was

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able to bypass traditional and

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protracted hiring constraints to

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successfully onboard 69 critical

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acquisition professionals just in the

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last month . Furthermore , these

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authorities have enabled our team to

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maintain a robust and agile talent

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pipeline . We are currently processing

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active personnel actions . We're

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executing rapid manpower realignments

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and utilizing targeted incentive

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packages at a speed not seen before .

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We're examining ways to empower PAEs

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with the ability to make active

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trade-offs between acquisition risk and

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operational risk . Reforms to the

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resourcing process include a

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realignment of and reduction in budget

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line items are critical to enable those

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trade-offs . We will continue to work

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with Congress to ensure resourcing

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flexibilities are aligned with the

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appropriate transparency and oversight .

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Thank you again for the opportunity to

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testify . We look forward to working

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with the Congress , industry , and the

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communities that support us to ensure

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we maintain the necessary military

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advantage to secure our vital national

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interests and to support our allies and

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partners . Thank you for your steadfast

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support and partnership as we deliver

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needed capabilities for the Air Force .

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Thank you . I now recognize myself 5

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minutes for questions . Uh , Mr .

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Bailey , I think your call sign is

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Elvis . So the first question is , do

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you know whose district Elvis was born

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in and what town ? I'd like

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to take that one for the record , sir .

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Well , I'll give you the answer . It's

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my district and it's Tupelo ,

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Mississippi . So thank you . Uh , Mr .

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Bailey , the fiscal year 27 budget

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requests money for an advanced tanker

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systems program building on the work of

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the next generation air refueling

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system . Can you explore , uh , explain

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the differences between these two

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programs ? Yes , sir , uh , as we

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were , as we were looking at , um . The

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work done in studying on that next

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generation of advanced systems , we did

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come to the conclusion that there is a

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greater need for us to take a look at

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what are those no regret bets to place

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on aircraft survivability when it comes

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to large aircraft and large aircraft

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protection , because we will have , we

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will have tankers going forward , but

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we currently have hundreds of tankers

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we have . We have hundreds and hundreds

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of airlifters that also face those same

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style of threats . Uh , so what you're

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seeing in that ATS program , uh , is an

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aircraft agnostic approach to

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survivability . And , and as we take a

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look , as we take a look at what we're

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doing with the tanker fleet going

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forward , we didn't want to stop that

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work and you'll , so you'll see us

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continue again in that platform

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agnostic way in ways that we find

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things that we can extend to . Uh ,

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C-17s and 135s as well as what we do

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with tankers . And General Taylor ,

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the recent KC-135 crash is a stark

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reminder of the risk our airmen face

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daily . Could you please detail for us

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the current state of connectivity and

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situational awareness capabilities of

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the KC-135 fleet ?

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Yes , uh , thank you , Chairman . Um ,

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so , uh , kind of dovetailing on what ,

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uh , Mr . Bailey talked about . I mean ,

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the ATS , we really are focused on , uh ,

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connectivity across our entire fleet .

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Uh , right now we have about $105

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million programmed in 27 , about

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$1.1 billion across the FITA

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to , uh , field about 315 hybrid satcom

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terminals , an additional 240 or so KU .

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Uh , radar or KU uh array kits , uh ,

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for the KC 135 fleet . Uh , there's

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also been , uh , similar capabilities

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being , uh , installed on the , uh ,

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KC-46s , uh , specific to , uh ,

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KC-135 . Uh , we have a vast majority

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of those , uh , connected now with , uh ,

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Link 16 , as well as the , uh ,

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tactical , uh , data relays , uh ,

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through the Arctic program . Uh , we

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also have , uh , funding for , uh ,

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StarShield and Adams . It's an airlift

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tanker open mission system , uh , that

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will be , uh , uh , added on here . It

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was in the process of being added on to

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the KC-135 fleet to be complete over

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the course of the next about 4 years .

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Uh , and then that , uh , the hybrid

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satcom will kind of , uh , lay in on

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top of that . Uh , so really over the

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course of about , uh , the next six

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years , you'll see the full fleet of

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KC-135s , uh , fully connected .

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I thank you and I now yield the balance

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of my time and I recognize Mr .

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Courtney . Thank you , uh , Mr .

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Chairman . Um , Mr . Bailey , as I

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indicated , um , you know , the Air

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Force One program is definitely , as I

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said , um , something that this

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subcommittee has , um , Been tracking

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and overseeing for a number of years ,

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so um . Uh , a year ago , uh , Darlene

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Costello , your predecessor , testified

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before committee and kind of walked us

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through the delivery time for the , uh ,

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new two Air Force One , cohort that

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again was purchased from Boeing , uh ,

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back in , I , I believe it was 2017 it

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was or maybe 2018 . Again , her

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testimony was that 2028 was , uh , sort

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of the new kind of target for , uh ,

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delivery of those . Um , and then

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obviously the , um , the new plane uh

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that was purchased from Qatar , um , is

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obviously was another topic that we ,

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uh , discussed . So the , the press

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reports are that the Qatar plane which

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you just purchased about a year ago is

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gonna be uh delivered sometime on , on

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in July of 2026 . Is that true ? Uh ,

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how much did that work or how much did

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the retrofit of that plane cost ? And ,

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and where are we with the , the real

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fleet that , you know , we started that

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journey , uh , as I said , almost 10

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years ago . Yes , sir . Thank you for

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the question . Uh , when it comes to

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the , uh , the bridge aircraft , our

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current expectation is that , uh , the

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aircraft modification will be less than

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$400 million . Uh , when we talk about ,

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um , the VC 25B and the schedule there ,

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uh , right now the program is making

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good progress . Um , we've had a chance

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to go through and work closely with the

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stakeholders as well as Boeing itself

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to get through , uh , some key aspects

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of the design . Uh , we're able to

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close out a lot of those design

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questions in October of last year . Uh ,

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the , uh , just a couple of months ago ,

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we were able to settle the questions on

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airworthiness certification , and now

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we're in the process of generating

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those , those , uh , um , uh ,

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airworthiness , uh , certification , uh ,

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articles . So we do believe at that

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point we are still on track with the

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previous schedule in terms of having it

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ready in 2028 . Thank you . Again ,

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it's still kind of , uh , well , I

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guess the question is if a plane that

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was purchased about a year ago was

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retrofit is being delivered in 2026 .

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For the president of the United States

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to , you know , fly in , um , and we're

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still waiting for the two other planes

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which , um , have been going through ,

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you know , extensive retrofit as well .

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What , what's the difference here ? Why

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was one so much faster and cheaper ? Is

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it , is it not gonna be really the same

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capability ? Is that why it's a

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different , uh , production schedule ?

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Um , again , you know , as I said ,

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we've been working on this for a long

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time and it just something seems a

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little out of sync . Yes , sir , it's ,

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it's , uh , uh , difficult to get into

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the specifics on the requirements in

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this kind of forum . Um , I , I do

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think as we look at , um , this , and

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you'll , you'll hear it in many

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different areas too where we spend a

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lot of time getting very focused in on

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the user and the requirements and what

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the opportunity is . We look at

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opportunities where you'd say , hey ,

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if we take a look at a schedule , you

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know , does the schedule actually

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benefit you ? Will you'd be willing to

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make trades on , on minor requirements ?

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Certainly not making trades on major

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requirements , uh , and , and you're

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seeing the byproduct of a lot of that

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work , a lot of very focused work on

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what's the operational need . But again ,

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we can come back to you and talk to you

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in more detail in a classified form . I

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mean , I think we deserve that honestly

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because just the disparity in terms of

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the costs and the disparity in terms of

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schedule kind of screams out for some

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answers in terms of just trying to make

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sure that the aircraft is going to be

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capable of doing what it's supposed to

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do , um , and . It , it again just from

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a sort of intuitive standpoint it just

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seems like something is different

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between these um in , in this program

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that um we really need to understand

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better , um , you know what that

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difference is uh , with the rest of my

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time I just want to turn to General

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Tabor for a second to talk about the

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next generation airlift . I mean the

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C-130s . 17s and 5s fly approximately

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8800 to 900 mobility sorties a day

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and it's getting old . Um , can you

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talk again about what the Air Force

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next generation airlift efforts to , uh ,

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keep those that , you know , capability ,

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uh , functioning . Yes , sir , this is

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a highly important to us . I tell you

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right up front , the good news is that

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we don't have any immediate concerns

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about the viability of any of our

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airlift fleet . However , acknowledging

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that the C-17s and C-5s particularly

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continue to get older , we know that

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they will need to be recapitalized here

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sooner than later . So in the 27 budget ,

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we have earmarked , actually pulled

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forward funding for an analysis of

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alternatives to kind of look at what

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The characteristics of a future airlift

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platform might be . Uh , so we think

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we've , uh , we're , we're getting

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ahead of it . Uh , it's , it's not

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something that we need to act on

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immediately , but we certainly need to

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be thinking about it so we can act on

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it before it becomes an emergency .

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I'll let you use some of my time so

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your time didn't expire . Uh , I now

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recognize Dr . DesJarlais . Thank you ,

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Chairman . Thank , uh , to our

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witnesses and , uh , uh , channeling my

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inner Joe Wilson . I'm going to say

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that my son Ryan just got certified on

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the C-130 , so I'll pass along that .

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To , to him , and , but he was , uh ,

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Naval Academy , went through TBS , so

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he's flies with the Marines . But

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anyway , uh , that'll be good news that ,

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uh , better equipment's coming his way .

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Mr . Bailey , I noticed that you spent

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some time at Arnold Air Force Base in

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my district , and , uh , I know you

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understand how important RT or RDTNE ,

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uh , funding is to ensure we stay ahead

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of our adversaries . I'd like to take

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this opportunity to encourage the

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continued and increased investment in

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our test infrastructure and the amazing

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work that comes out of the Air Force

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test community in Arnold Air Force Base .

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So , uh , how can Congress and the

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department continue to work together to

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increase the flexibility for

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construction , development ,

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acquisition within our test

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infrastructure ? Yeah , thank you , sir .

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And that was , uh , that was a special

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time . That is a that is a pretty

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amazing base with a great mission . Uh ,

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when I think about , when I think about

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those style of challenges , um , uh ,

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you know , Congress has has supported

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additional flexibility on a lot of the

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construction activity which I think has

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been put to , to good use , uh , when I

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think more towards the future , it . Is

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probably in areas where we see

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limitations on our ability to test

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weapon systems um that are now

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consuming larger ranges , um , greater

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pieces out of the electromagnetic

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spectrum . So if we , if we could work

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together on issues like NEPA or even

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areas like spectrum access , uh , even

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if it is to give us opportunities to ,

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um . Uh , to assert some priority while

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we're doing critical testing , I think

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that'll , that'll be helpful to us . Uh ,

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moving on to drones , you know ,

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they've proven difficult to defeat

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despite costing a fraction of the

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interceptors that are required to stop

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them . Uh , fixed ground radar cannot

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reliably detect persistent low altitude

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Shaheed drones . Uh , what is the

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department , the department doing in FY

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27 request to prioritize counter drone

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defense , including airborne early

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warning platforms and legacy close-in

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weapons systems that can address drone

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threats without consuming high-end

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interceptors needed for ballistic

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missile defense ? Yes , sir . The , we

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are working , uh , the Air Force is

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working closely with the , the Joint

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Task Force 401 , uh , in their mission ,

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uh , counter drone mission , uh , as

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well as , as well as supporting the

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work being done as part of Golden Dome ,

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uh , for some of those more advanced

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threats . Uh , I can tell you from

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working closely with that team , uh ,

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the Air Force's view has always been

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around the need , the , the need to

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focus in on command and control . And

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very specifically open architectures

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inside that command and control . We

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will see , as you noted , the , the

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threat will pivot and it'll pivot

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quickly . So your choice of sensors or

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sensing will need to keep pace with

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what that threat is doing . And then

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also you mentioned effectors , uh , you

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know , shooting a million dollar weapon

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at a , a $4000 drone does not make

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sense . So you'll need to be able to ,

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to be agile there and keep pace with

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the threat . So again , sir , we work

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closely with that that Giata 401 and

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for our part , whether it's changes in

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the sensors or changes in the effectors ,

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you're always going to want , you're

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always going to want some stability in

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your command and control . Yes sir .

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And with all due respect from our to

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our chairman from Tupelo , Mississippi

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who may not agree with the KC-46 tanker

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placement , uh , I've got . We're proud

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of our Tennessee , uh , Air National

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Guard members who will be receiving the

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K-46 tanker at McGee Tyson Air National

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Guard base in Knoxville , uh ,

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Tennessee . Are you expecting the cost

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and scheduled delays to the KC-46

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program to impact when units can expect

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a new platform to arrive , and either

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one's welcome to take that . Uh , I'll

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take that . The short answer is no . We

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don't anticipate any kind of delays at

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this point . I think , uh , currently

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programmed for those aircraft to begin

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arriving in FY 31 , uh , so barring

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anything happening between now and then ,

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uh , we should be on that path . OK .

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Did you have anything to add , uh , Mr .

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Bailey ? Uh , no , uh , General Tabor

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has that timeline down . OK , well ,

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the chairman has Elvis and we have the

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KC-46 , so we're all good . I yield

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back . I'll just note that the

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refueling was created in Key Field by

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the Key brothers in Meridian ,

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Mississippi , where is where those

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KC-46s should be . But that being said ,

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I now recognize Mr . Norcross . Is that

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above or below the Mason-Dixon line ?

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3.9 billion . So , uh , thank you

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for the witnesses here today . Just

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wanna follow up on the , uh , CV25

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program . Uh , the original cost

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projections , original , not 10 years

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ago , is 3.5

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billion . Mr . Bailey , do you have a

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figure on the current program ?

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No , no , I don't , I don't at the

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moment . Well , it was reported back

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then 3 , so the point I'm making , each

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of the ones that are being retrofitted

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or new are about 1.5 billion plus ,

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and we are years into it . So the idea

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from the one that was gifted to our

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country from Qatari of taking 400

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million . And Trying

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to understand the difference between

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our existing fleet . And the Qatari

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There's a difference Is that correct ?

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Operationally ?

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Sir , I'd have to say in like in terms

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of overall performance , it should be

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similar in performance , not

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performance in its operations , it's

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mission . Do they both the Qatari and

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our existing two have the same

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capabilities to my understanding , sir ,

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well , actually , sir , we have a hard

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time having this conversation without I ,

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yeah , we're , we're going down the

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road . We're not gonna cross that line .

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I got it . Uh , I , I'd say like in

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terms of its ability to transport ,

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it's the same airframe . Well , that's

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pretty vague . So for what we're gonna

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pay a million , 1.5 each , we just got

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one given to us that costs us 400

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million . You see , the math doesn't

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really add up , and we're not trying to

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put you in a position to say what it is ,

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but they aren't the same capabilities

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to do what it has to do . Can the Qatar ,

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what are you calling the Qatari plane ?

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What are you calling that for it as a

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bridge aircraft , sir ? The bridge

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aircraft . Let's make sure I put that .

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Well , that Be part of the mission to

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fly outside the continental United

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States . I'm not clear on that .

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Um , I'm not clear on that , sir . The

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new Qatari , the bridge , will that be

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cleared ? Will the president be able to

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fly that outside of the borders of the

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continental United States ? I'll have

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to take that , uh , for record , sir .

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All right , this is getting more

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difficult than I thought . Let's switch

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over to something a little bit more

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pleasant , the KC-46 . We've gone

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through a long and difficult highway ,

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but from what I'm hearing , uh , we're

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on the right path . So General Midnight

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Hammer , some of the , uh ,

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capabilities of the KC-46 , were there

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any issues ? During Midnight

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Hammer or the present . Conflict that's

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going on with KC 46 and its ability to

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do its mission , not to my knowledge ,

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Congressman . OK , uh , and I assume

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that none of those have the , the new ,

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uh , uh , vision system . I should know

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this , that . Oh , yeah , the RVS

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2.0 . They do have them . They do not

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have RVS 2 . OK , so they're operating

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as they came out . That's correct . And

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we expect the first ones with the , uh ,

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new system to be delivered when ? So

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RVS 2.0 , the production cut in

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will occur in the second quarter of FY

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28 . Uh , and so that , that's for the

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production aircraft . There'll be some ,

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uh , uh , retrofitting , uh , that

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begins , uh , prior to that . So when

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do we expect the first , whether it's a

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retro or coming off the line , the new

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visual system to be operational in the

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first plane ? Uh , so on track to ,

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uh , start delivering early summer of

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27 . Great . So , about a year from now .

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So , I'll just wrap this up . Even

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though it had some very serious issues ,

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we're seeing it operate . In a way that

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has not been detrimental to our fleet

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or our flyers , is that correct ?

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That's absolutely correct . Good , I

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think that's important to know , given

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where we came from , and with that I'll

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give back balance of my time . I thank

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you , Mr . Norcross . I now recognize

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Doctor Jackson . Thank you , Mr .

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Chairman , and uh thank you , Mr .

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Tabor and General for being here today .

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Appreciate your time . Uh , in our

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increasingly complex global environment ,

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the Air Force remains the cornerstone

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of our ability to project power

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globally . Uh , as the proud

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representative for Texas 13th

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Congressional District , home to the

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incredible airmen at Shepherd Air Force

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Base , I've seen firsthand the

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dedication and investment required to

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maintain that edge every single day .

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As we ask our fleet to fly longer and

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further than ever before , I look

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forward to hearing how the Air Force's

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2027 budget request , which rightly

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seeks a 26% increase in funding , will

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provide the investment necessary to

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support readiness at all levels from

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next generation platforms and fleet

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modernization to training , maintenance ,

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and sustainment . Shepherd Air Force

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Base in my district is home to the

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eighty-second Training Wing , which is

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responsible for training the

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maintainers who keep our fleet in the

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air . As the Air Force undertakes a

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generational modernization of its

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boomer , sorry , of its bomber mobility

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and special mission aircraft fleets ,

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our maintenance training must evolve as

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well . General and Mr . Bailey , both ,

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what steps are being taken to invest

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the modernization , to invest in the

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modernization of technical training ?

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How are we ensuring that the training

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our maintainers received today prepares

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them for the platforms and systems they

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will encounter on the flight line in

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the future ? Uh , Doctor Jackson ,

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thank you for that question . Uh , so

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we're , uh , undertaking quite a number

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of things to the tune of about $60

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million a year at , uh , Shepherd .

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That includes , uh , classroom

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modernization , uh , which , uh , is ,

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uh , IT infrastructure . Uh , it's , uh ,

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digitizing the , uh , the current

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courseware . Uh , augmented and , uh ,

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virtual , uh , reality devices for

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students , uh , connectivity , uh ,

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throughout the , uh , dorms . Uh , so

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it's really kind of , uh , I think , uh ,

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changed fundamentally from the way that

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we have done things in the past there .

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Thank you , and you know , also , uh ,

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I would say that uh we , we , we've had

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some conversations in the past and uh

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talking about uh the uh the ability for

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places like Shepherd Air Force Base to

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acquire a little bit more for the

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students that they have as far as their

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funding , not getting full credit to

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maintain their facilities based on the

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number of bodies that they actually

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have on base on their day to day , so

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we're gonna address that as well . Sir ,

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Anything , Dad ? Uh , no , sir . We ,

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we've looked at other ways to modernize

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the materials that those trainers are

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using through commercial solution

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offerings . Uh , we expect to extend

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that to the maintenance community as

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well . Thank you . I appreciate it . Um ,

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one more question , uh , General , uh ,

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recently I had a great visit down to

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Air Force Special Operations Command

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headquarters in Herbert Field , where I

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had the opportunity to see the Air

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Force Special Operations fleet and

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witness the evolving missions the

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command is undertaking . Uh , as the

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chairman of the Subcommittee on

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Intelligence and Special Operations ,

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it's especially encouraging to have a

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leader with your background , having

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commanded at the squadron group , group

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and wing levels within the Air Force

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Special Operations Command , as well as

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most recently as the Commander of

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Special Operations Command Europe .

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Given your experience in our Special

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Operations Forces . Uh , fleet across a

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slate of critical soft commands .

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What's your assessment of the Air

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Force's sustainment of the Air Force

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Special Operations fleet ? Are we

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providing enough support to keep these

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specialized platforms ready for the

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increased operational tempo that they

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face today and will face in the future ?

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Yes , sir , we certainly are . Uh , I

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pulled , uh , some of the numbers , uh ,

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here just , uh , recently . MC-130 , uh ,

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rates , uh , currently at about 80% .

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Uh , AC-130s , uh , just over 72% .

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That's , uh , about anywhere from 10 to

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15% higher than , uh , the rest of the ,

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uh , fleet . So , uh , they have the

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benefit of a little bit smaller fleet ,

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uh , and so I think they get a little

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bit more uh touch time perhaps than ,

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uh . The rest of the Air Force fleet

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does . So they seem to be doing much

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better . That said , there are

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investments that we are currently

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making specifically in mission

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computers for the C-130 fleet , and

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that's Air Force-wide , but the AFSOC

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aircraft are being prioritized for that .

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And then on the V-22s , which I know

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you're also very interested in , the

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vector , the enhanced cockpit

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technology replacement , that's also

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something that we have funded here

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recently to the tune of about $200

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million over the FTA . So my , my

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assessment is that they're doing

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extraordinarily well in ASOC right now .

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Thank you , and you know I've been

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working with the SOCOM community with

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SOCOM commander , uh , and you know ,

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pushing for the fact that I don't think

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that the SOCOM budget in general is

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where it's supposed to be . It should

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be much higher than it is right now .

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It's not really keeping up with

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inflation even it's been flat for a

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long time and that translates into the

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Air Force special operations community

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as well . So , uh , keep that in mind .

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I think we , we need to provide the Air

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Force Special Operations Command with a

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little bit more in the process so that

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we make sure that we're not basically

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taking away from those that are that

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literally are on the tip of the spear .

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Thank you . You're back , gentleman ,

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Yos back now recognize Mr . Benman .

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Thank you , Chairman . Thank you ,

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gentlemen for testifying today . So ,

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Mr . Bailey , given the vulnerability

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of current tanker aircraft in contested

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airspace , what is the Air Force's

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timeline for fielding survivability and

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connectivity upgrades to the advanced

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tanker system , and are those , uh ,

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funding levels sufficient ? Yes , sir ,

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thank you for the question . There are

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a couple of components that we consider

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in how do we improve the survivability .

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We talked a little bit earlier about ,

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uh , uh , how we're putting satellite

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communications and beyond line of site

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communications into that fleet , uh ,

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the tanker fleet . Uh , it's going into

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135s as well as KC-46s , as well as

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C-17s , as well as C-130s . Uh , that

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situational awareness has , has already

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yielded benefits . Uh , in , in the 135

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community as they were able , they were

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able very recently to , to get

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situational awareness and turn around

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an abort out of a high threat area . So

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we've seen and Air Mobility command's

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been very clear with us on the real

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value of , of that situational

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awareness that the Beyond line of sight

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coms can yield . What we're looking at

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now is , uh , is now when we talk about

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the rest of what goes into , uh ,

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survivability . And now we're talking

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about sensing and we're talking about

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countermeasure uh development as well .

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Uh , we're shifting now from , uh , a

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lot of the , um , surface to air kinds

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of concerns like we did with Laarrium

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program and now looking at what happens ,

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uh , at the water line and above as

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we're looking at threats coming down

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below . Uh , so there is work that is

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that can be transitioning , uh , within

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the FIDE . We have investments that are

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in place both for . Uh , both for the

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communications programs as well as that

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sensor and countermeasure , uh ,

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countermeasure activity . Yeah , so

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just to um dive a little deeper into

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that one . Obviously , we've seen , um ,

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for , for base defense issues , the

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challenges that unmanned systems , um ,

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Uh , create and , um , the

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spider web operation in , in Russia ,

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Ukraine , but also in , uh , in our

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current Middle East conflict . So this

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is part of that component is that also

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like on the ground component , uh ,

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counter UAS are there investments in

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that ? Yes , sir . As , as , as we work

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with , as we work with the , the , the

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GAF 401 crowd , uh , we look at , we

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look at , um , ground-based sensing ,

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uh , active systems , passive systems

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there , um , and how do they network

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together based on a particular location .

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This is an area where geography matters ,

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the base layout matters , um , and so ,

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you know , what's our opportunity to

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tailor that base by base . Uh , combine

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that with command and control as well

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as in the end the factors that will

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allow us to go and engage those , those ,

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that range of threats . General ,

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anything to add on that one ? I , I

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would just add that , uh , you know ,

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this is a , a very busy space right now

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for all the reasons that you highlight ,

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and , uh , we really are looking at it

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in kind of a layered , uh , perspective .

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Obviously here in the continental

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United States , Golden Dome , uh ,

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becomes a piece of that , not , uh ,

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everything , but a piece of that . And

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then as you neck it down , I mean , we

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have the extent , uh , systems that we

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have our , uh , uh , counter small UAS

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detection , uh , system . Uh , and to

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Mr . Bailey's point , you know , what ,

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what we can do from an effector

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perspective in the KOA is much

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different than what we can do overseas .

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And so we're trying to round that out ,

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and that's where GAA 401 and the work

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of the , the dog comes in and

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developing new capabilities perhaps

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that we can use here . Uh , in the

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United States , but again reinforcing

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Mr . Bailey's point , we , we're really

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focused on how do we internalize this

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and make it something that is much more

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permanent that we can continue to

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develop because it's sorely needed . So ,

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um , on the unmanned systems side , and

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I've got about a minute left here , but

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can you talk about the investments that

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the Air Force is making in the unmanned

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systems ? I mean , the other services

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are , are looking at the defensive

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component and offensive component . Can

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you talk about what investments the Air

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Force is making in offensive unmanned

37:01.007 --> 37:03.062
systems ? Yeah , well , so I would ,

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I'd be happy to give you the precise

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details on how much we have in the

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Sioux ads for the record . What I'll

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tell you is that with the standup of

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JAF 401 , a sizable chunk of that money

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from OSW went to that organization to

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do this development . On behalf of the ,

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uh , the services , and then we'll

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reach in there to , uh , to pull those

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things out , but I don't have the

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precise number , uh , for how much they

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have . I'm happy to provide that though .

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Thank you , Ariel Doc . Now recognize

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former chairman of this , uh ,

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subcommittee , Mr . Whitman . Well

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thank you Mr . Chairman . I'd like to

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thank our witnesses for joining us

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today . Uh , General Tabor , I want to

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start out with you , but I do want to ,

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uh , reach back into some history .

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It's been about 10 years ago where , uh ,

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Mr . Bailey and I , and at the time

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Colonel White , uh , visited Palmdale

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to the Northrop Grumman facility there

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when the B-21 was in its infancy . And

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they were spinning up workforce and we

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were talking about all the things that

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were going on as the Air Force , RCO

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and Northrop government were working

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hand in hand , shoulder to shoulder ,

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and the initial , uh , elements of

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putting the aircraft manufacturing

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scheme together , also testing the

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aircraft , looking at the things that

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we would do , and , uh , the , the

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thing that I remember most vividly from

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that was the , the projection that we

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were going to go from a clean sheet

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paper design . To a digital design .

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And call me skeptical . I thought ,

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gosh , how , how are you going to do

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that ? How are you going to get the

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workforce to do that ? And I was 100%

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wrong . That was a great success story

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in how to , uh , execute one of the

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most complex aircraft ever manufactured

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in human history . And here we are

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today with that aircraft . But I also

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want to go back historically and talk

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about the assumptions that were made

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about that aircraft and what capability

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it would provide to the United States

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10 years ago . And where we are today

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and looking at what that aircraft can

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do in a highly contested environment

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where it's going to be key to have just

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that sort of capability , a capability

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that the Chinese do not have , a

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capability that we're going to need ,

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in instances where there is a large

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scale threat to the United States . So

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my question is , is the analysis at the

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time was that we needed about 100 of

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those aircraft . I would ask you today ,

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based on what you know and the threat

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scenario today and what that aircraft

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brings to the table as far as

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capability to be able to operate in a

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highly contested environment in ways

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that provide significant challenges for

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the Chinese to counter is that 100

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aircraft estimate that originated .

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Over 10 years ago , is that assumption

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the same today ? Should we be satisfied

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with 100 aircraft ? Should that number

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be different , higher , lower ? Give us

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your assessment about where we are

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today versus where we were 10 years ago

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with the assumptions about how many

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aircraft we need . Sir , that's a great

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topic and one that's being hotly

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debated in a lot of different corners

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right now . I'll tell you that the Air

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Force position is that we need at least

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100 B-21s , acknowledging that there

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are a lot of voices that would say that

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some say as many as 400 , 300 , 200 .

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Uh , my sense is that we do need more

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than 100 . What I can't tell you is the

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precise number that it , uh , needs to

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be . But for all the excellent reasons

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that you pointed out , I mean , 100 is ,

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is the program of record that we , uh ,

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stuck with . We're in the process of ,

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uh , sharpening our pencils , really

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getting down to exactly what that is .

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And I think here in the next , uh , uh ,

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year , by the time we get to the , uh ,

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28 . Uh , budget , we'll be able to ,

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uh , give you a better answer , a much

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more precise answer , and show you our

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homework . Now , listen , I would

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encourage you , especially as the

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threat dynamic changes there , to , to

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give us a more up to-date number

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because I think the capability that

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aircraft provides is pretty amazing ,

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and I think it dovetails exactly in as

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we see the threat and the things that

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we need to , to be able to , to perform

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in that environment . Mr . Bailey ,

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good to see you . I know that , uh ,

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through the years we've had a chance to

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cross paths multiple times . I

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appreciate all the great work that

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you've done for the Air Force through

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the years . I wanted to , to get your

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perspective on the KC-46 program ,

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and obviously that's another key as we

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look at , uh , operations like , uh ,

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Operation Midnight Hammer . We had an

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opportunity to talk to the pilots there

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and the missions that they flew and .

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And how they had to fly those missions

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and how refueling was a critical part

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of that and how we have a fleet of

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aging aircraft . We saw unfortunately

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with the KC-135 , a crash that occurred

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there . Uh , so the , the challenge is

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for us is how do we make sure that we

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have not just a fleet of newer aircraft

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for a whole variety of reasons , but

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then how do we make sure that we

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sustain . That fleet , you know , the

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challenges with the OKC-135s is even

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with service life extensions and the

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things we have when you have an

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aircraft that is no longer going

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through a hot production line , uh ,

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sustainment becomes a challenge because

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you just don't have the spare parts and

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then you're into one-off production

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which is prohibitively expensive . And

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also takes down your , your , your

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readiness for those aircraft , the

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numbers that are ready to fly , takes

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that down to a low level . Give me your

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perspective on how we can best look at

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sustainment model , a different

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sustainment model for KC-46A . Yeah ,

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uh , thank you , sir . It's good to see

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you again . Uh , the , the tanker

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capability and the tanker capacity is ,

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is a vital aspect of what the Air Force

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brings to the joint fight , certainly .

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And you're absolutely right . As we

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take a look at the balance of the

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tanker fleet , uh , we have to be in

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that recapitalization mode consistently

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now and , and moving into that , and

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moving into the future without a gap ,

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without a gap , and that's frankly what

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our plan includes . Uh , and so as

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we're taking a look at , as we're

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taking a look at bringing KC-46 online ,

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uh , we've put a premium on positioning

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ourselves for sustainment , supporting

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aircraft availability , um , in a very

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aggressive way for that reason . If

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we're gonna bring it online and we're

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gonna bring it online in numbers , we

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wanna work with Boeing as well as , as ,

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as well as , uh , the depot community

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to make sure we can . We have the

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information we need in order to support

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it at a high rate . In looking at the

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KC-135 , the numbers there are good .

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Uh , I think when we take a look at ,

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when we take a look at added

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capabilities , we had a chance to talk

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earlier about the addition of , of , uh ,

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Beyond line of sight communications to

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modernize the aircraft . Outside of

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that . Uh , we , we look at things like ,

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hey , what are the next upcoming real

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painful DMS issues . Uh , you'll see us

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work on a new weather radar for the

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aircraft as being the next thing I

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think is going to start to be difficult

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to acquire in a timeline there , but we

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have , we have investments . Very good .

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Thank you Mr . Chairman . My apologies .

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I yield back . No , both the two

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chairmen used the addition of my time

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that I tried to yield back , but I'm OK

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with that . They're former chairmen .

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They get that prerogative . With that ,

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I now recognize the gentleman from

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Louisiana , Mr . Higgins . Thank you ,

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Mr . Chairman . Mr . Bailey , can I ask

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you about the B-52 modernization effort

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and give us your assessment there . Do ,

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do you have numbers in , in front of

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you , sir ? I do . I'd like to see if

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yours match the , the number of

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aircraft that we're modernizing and

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what your cost per plane is projected

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to be and . Total cost of the

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modernization effort . Uh , I , I can

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provide you , um , the program total

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cost . I , I , I don't have that in

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front of me right now , but what I can

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share with you for sure is , uh , when

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I , when I got to this position last

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summer , I did look at the , the , uh ,

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the health and execution of those

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modernization programs . The B-52 is a

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significant capability . It represents

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half of our modern , um , half of our

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tanker , uh , I'm sorry , bomber

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roadmap . Half of that roadmap . Uh ,

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from there , uh , I met both with the

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program office , as well as Global

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Strike Command and finally with the

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companies and industry to get to the

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bottom of what's been going on on the

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program . I think you'll find that we

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have stabilized the cost and schedule .

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satisfied with , with where you are

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right now ? Yes , I am , sir . OK ,

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because that's , that's my goal , you

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know , it's , it's a crucial aircraft

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and the modernization of it is . I

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could arguably the cornerstone of the

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entire deterrence effort so . Um ,

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it's a lot of money . Some of us watch

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that money very carefully , but

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on the other hand , we recognize some

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programs or have , uh , in our minds a

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higher priority . To me , there's none

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higher than the modernization of that

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aircraft . So we would rather see ,

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um , upfront request of money .

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And an excellent plan on how to

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complete the , the work . Um ,

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to allow that , that fleet to serve

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into the 2050s , which is the idea . Um ,

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would rather see the appropriate amount

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of monies authorized and appropriated

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than to see cost overrun . So we're

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as , as , as a heavy lift that we're

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asking you to perform there . But I'm

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glad to hear that you have confidence

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in the steps that have been taken . To

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stabilize that program . General , um ,

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Uh , I'm gonna , I'm gonna ask you

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about the , without going too deep into

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it in this setting , but the drone

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incursion in Barksdale , while we're

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talking about Barksdale . Um , I'm

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quite certain that you've been highly

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briefed and , and reviewed what

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happened there , what didn't happen

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there . Is that correct ? That is

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correct . OK . Are , are you , are you

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satisfied with the response to the

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incursion and , uh , do

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you believe that we know everything we

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should know . So , uh , not to be

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mealy mouthed with you , I'm satisfied

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with the way they've responded , given

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the resources that they have . I do not

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think that the resources that they have

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are sufficient for the future threats

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that we anticipate . OK , agreed , and

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I , I , I don't believe , General , I

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don't believe you've ever said anything

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mealy mouth probably in your life , so

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you certainly weren't going to start

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today . Um , so here , here's the , the ,

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here's the , the question that no one

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seems to be able to answer about that

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incursion , and we agree we have to do

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more to protect our , our airfields ,

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especially . Incredibly important

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airfields . Um ,

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We don't really know . We don't , we ,

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we're not certain . I can't get a

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straight answer on , on exactly what we

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need . To invest in to protect the

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areas above our airfields . Can you

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speak to that at all ? Sir , what I'll

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tell you is that uh we're still in the

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process of developing that . We have

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our program of record , which I've

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stated I don't think was sufficient ,

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certainly not in the case that we saw

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at Barksdale , and we're trying to

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develop other capabilities through GAA

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401 that gives us a little bit more

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efficacy in a stateside scenario .

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It would be nice to be able to have a

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kinetic capability , but there are

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obvious policy problems , but we're ,

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we're kind of working through that and

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looking at other options that perhaps

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are less kinetic .

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OK . Perhaps we could visit more about

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that when , when we have a little more

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time regarding protecting the skies

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above Barksdale , Mr . Mr . Chairman ,

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are you . I thank the gentlemen , uh ,

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General Taylor , I hate we couldn't

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have your special guests here today . I

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understand they have a track meet and

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so we wish them the best . Uh , what ,

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what events are they running ? Uh ,

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today I think is a , uh , throwing day .

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So it's a , uh , it's a shot put and ,

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uh , maybe the , uh , 100 100 m , uh ,

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uh , sprint . All right . Well , my ,

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my kid was a cross-country and 800 and

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1600 , 3200 guy , but , uh , what a

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great sport . So , we hate they can't

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be there . We give them a shout out and

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wish them their best today . All right .

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And Mr . Bailey , final answer now .

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This is Jeopardy . OK . Whose district

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is Elvis from and what town is he from ?

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If I recall correctly , sir , that

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would be your district and it would be

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Tupelo . Very good , Elvis . All right ,

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with that , this hearing is adjourned .

